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Santa Cruz 911 Truth Members Attempt to Disrupt Anti-War Gathering at City Chambers

by observer
During a anti-war vigil held at Santa Cruz City Chambers on the evening of August 28, 2007 a number of sign-bearing individuals attempted to take over the event and turn it into a discussion of the "bombs placed in the World Trade Center". This appeared to be a deliberate attempt to disrupt the event and change the topic, which was about ending the occupation of Iraq and bringing US soldiers home.
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In what appeared to be a deliberate attempt to disrupt and smear a peaceful anti-war protest at Santa Cruz City Chambers last night, a number of members of the '911 Truth Movement' appeared after the event had begun and attempted to switch the topic from ending the Iraq war to a discussion of 'controlled demolitions at the World Trade Center on 911'.

THe 911 Truth Movement is a well funded national campaign whose apparent aim is to discredit the anti-war movement by promoting ridiculous claims about robot controlled planes flying into the WTC, missles being fired at the Pentagon, and a 'faked plane crash' in Pennsylvania.

The members are secretive and refuse to state their real names or funding sources. They've promoted several films in the Santa Cruz area such as "Loose Change" and now "Terrorstorm" which are highly inaccurate and dishonest.

For a very good debunking of these ludicrous claims, please read Matt Taibbi's articles at
Before the 9/11 Conspiracies, There Was the Oklahoma Bombing
By Matt Taibbi, RollingStone.com. Posted October 24, 2006.


Americans in Denial about 9/11
By Matt Taibbi, Alternet, Posted September 14, 2006.

and
The Idiocy Behind the '9/11 Truth' Movement, By Matt Taibbi, Alternet, Posted September 26, 2006.

Please remember that there have been numerous attempts to infiltrate and disrupt antiwar gatherings by everyone from the University police to the Pentagon's TALON program which spied on hundreds of antiwar gatherings. See the ACLU spyfiles. The aim of these groups has been to infiltrate anti-war groups and prevent their message - end the Iraq war and bring the troops home - from being heard.

Let's explain the propaganda technique being used by this group: it's called transferance.

The last thing Republicans want the public to understand is that 9/11 was blowback - an effect of US intervention in the Middle East and Afghanistan over the past four decades (and longer) - and that Bush Sr. and many members of the current administration, such as Elliot Abrams, are directly responsible - OBL got his start in the US funded covert war in Afghanistan, and he got his money by blackmailing the Saudi Royals who are like family to GW Bush.

So, what Republicans did was to set up an astroturf group - the 9/11 Truth Movement - to create a ridiculous stuffed toy that politicians like Rudy Giuliani can bash at every opportunity. The 9/11 truth movement is like a burning rubber tire that can be hung around the neck of any person who raises the issues behind the war for oil in the Middle East.

Don't fall for their tactics!
by cp
That's interesting. A lot of people resent that the concept of 'Sept. 11 questioning' has been essentially made made to equate to this specific story about missiles hitting the Pentagon, or the World Trace towers being pre-rigged with explosives.

There are plenty of other areas where the White House was clearly not telling the public the facts of what they knew, or not being forthcoming about the business side of the development of the intervention in south asia shortly afterwards.

So, does anyone know about this group which has been calling for a Strike in Santa Cruz in Sept. 11? Are they wingnutty and focusing on the steel qualities of the WTC buildings, or is this a regular anti-war group?
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2007/08/23/18442809.php
I know someone who was there. From what I hear it was the person(s) who posted this news item who did the disrupting, NOT SANTA CRUZ 9/11 TRUTH.
by Rick Nichols
I'm a single working parent in Santa Cruz - while I do not know about the specific event, it is perfectly clear to me that the author of this article, posting "SCREW LOOSE CHANGE," is the one making flase claims and appears to be an attack on those of us who are genuinely concerned about the direction our beloved America is headed - censorship, every manner of fallacy including verbal attacks, deception, manipulation; we are in an extremely precarious position, we Americans, and we must remain true to our historical roots in freedom.
by David Lombard
Rather then refute the ridiculous claim that “The 911 Truth Movement is a well funded national campaign whose apparent aim is to discredit the anti-war movement”; I will simply restate what I said and let the reader make up their mind.

“The physical evidence proves that the world trade center collapse was a controlled demolition. The real question is why? The reason is so that the American people would acquiesce to an agenda of war without end. Where “they” take the money from the many and give it to the few through the tax structure and the military industrial complex. Then “they” use this military to control the strategic resource of oil and thus control all the industrialized nations and the world.”

“Mussolini coined the term Fascism, but he said a better term would be corporatism because it combines the powers of government and corporations. In the 1930s the government took over the corporations. In the 2000s the corporations have taken over governments. The outcome is the same. But now it is on a global scale!”

Think about it! Use your on mind and make your own decision!
by Robert
9/11 truth is about re-opening the 9/11 investigation. That's basically all it's about. Senior government, military, and intelligence officials question the 9/11 commission report. Anyone sincerely trying to discredit 911 truth should support re-opening the investigation as well. When I read articles from "debunkers" who resort to character assassination, then I have to wonder whether they are actually concerned with proof.
9/11 has not only been an excuse for instigating a foreign war, but an excuse for the vast expansion of domestic tyranny. General Tommy Franks said recently that martial law will replace the constitution in the event of a WMD attack. 9/11 truth is about learning the facts in order to prevent a repeat or worse. If we had all of the facts, then there would be no need to reopen the investigation. If you believe the official conspiracy theory, then that's fine. Perhaps you aren't aware that the official 9/11 commission investigation did not begin for over a year after 911. There was great resistance to forming the committee at all. Both the Kennedy assassination, and the Gulf of Tonkin incident were investigated within 2 weeks following these respective events. Are you aware that the 9/11 commission was led by Henry Kissinger? His track record is very poor. Henry Kissinger was the leader of Project Paperclip. Project Paperclip aided high-level Nazis in escaping Germany after WWII. Do your own research. Think for yourself.
It is my understanding that the 9/11 Truth Movement is all about gaining a TRUE understanding the events surrounding September 11th, 2001. It is sad that our Government has not been forthcoming with most of the information that the PEOPLE have requested. It is strange that there are many more questions than answers. It is unfortunate that the families of the victims of 9/11 are unsettled because their questions have still not been answered.

It is disgusting to me that the President of the United States has been lying about or side stepping the questions or minimizing the the impact that 9/11 has had upon the American People. We the People (of this Nation) are paying for it all (this country is being thrown into debt), while a small sector of society are reaping record profits while engaging in an illicit war (Shame on the War Profiteers).

We are required to swallow the lies and deceit that pour out of the Main Stream Media every day...well, some of us simply can't swallow this BS. It is our PATRIOTIC DUTY to ask questions when information doesn't add up. Any individual who is frustrated by others who ask questions, needs to ask themselves why they are frustrated...and angry enough to slam those who take the time to think and inquire respectfully.

The 9/11 Truthers are the True Patriots of this Country. We need those important and pertinent questions answered NOW so that we may start spending our Tax Dollars on Domestic needs rather than Killing People in foreign countries for Corporate profit. Kudos to the Truth Movement...may you grow strong and find answers and hold the criminals accountable for their treachery.
“Depopulation should be the highest priority of foreign policy towards the third world, because the US economy will require large and increasing amounts of minerals from abroad, especially from less developed countries.”
~ Henry Kissinger, reported by Leuren Moret

on democracy:

“I don't see why we need to stand by and watch a country go communist due to the irresponsibility of its people. The issues are much too important for the Chilean voters to be left to decide for themselves.”
~ Henry Kissinger

on the constitution:

“The illegal we do immediately. The unconstitutional takes a little longer.”
~ Henry Kissinger

on American imperialism:

“The US must carry out some act somewhere in the world which shows its determination to continue to be a world power.”
~ Henry Kissinger

“Oil is much too important a commodity to be left in the hands of the Arabs.”
~ Henry Kissinger

Cited in Halliday and Sponneck 2001-11-29

on wagging the dog:

“I can think of no faster way to unite the American people behind George W. Bush than a terrorist attack on an American target overseas. And I believe George W. Bush will quickly unite the American people through his foreign policy.”
~ Henry Kissinger

“Today Americans would be outraged if U. N. troops entered Los Angeles to restore order; tomorrow they will be grateful! This is especially true if they were told there was an outside threat from beyond, whether real or promulgated, that threatened our very existence. It is then that all people of the world will plead with world leaders to deliver them from this evil. The one thing every man fears is the unknown. When presented with this scenario, individual rights will be willingly relinquished for the guarantee of their well being granted to them by their world government.”
~ Henry Kissinger

“Military men are dumb, stupid animals to be used as pawns for foreign policy.”
~ Henry Kissinger

“Power is the ultimate aphrodisiac.”
~ Henry Kissinger



http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/6376639.stm

http://www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/georgepacker/2007/08/if-there-were-a.html

http://www.philly.com/dailynews/columnists/stu_bykofsky/20070809_Stu_Bykofsky___To_save_America__we_need_another_9_11.html

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/stockputs.html

http://www.financialnews-us.com/?page=ushome&contentid=2448565379

http://www.wanttoknow.info/officialsquestion911commissionreport

http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/11/20/185048.shtml

http://www.freedomdomain.com/nwoquote.htm
by redpill8
"Let's explain the propaganda technique being used by this group: it's called transferance.

The last thing Republicans want the public to understand is that 9/11 was blowback - an effect of US intervention in the Middle East and Afghanistan over the past four decades (and longer) - and that Bush Sr. and many members of the current administration, such as Elliot Abrams, are directly responsible - OBL got his start in the US funded covert war in Afghanistan, and he got his money by blackmailing the Saudi Royals who are like family to GW Bush.

So, what Republicans did was to set up an astroturf group - the 9/11 Truth Movement - to create a ridiculous stuffed toy that politicians like Rudy Giuliani can bash at every opportunity. The 9/11 truth movement is like a burning rubber tire that can be hung around the neck of any person who raises the issues behind the war for oil in the Middle East. "

Wow, talk about crazy conspiracy theories! This one is as crazy as the administration's fiction of 19 arab hijackers outsmarting the entire U.S. military/intelligence establishment! Observer, what drugs are you on? It's interesting the techniques you use, but they are standard phyops techniques: mix a little truth ("OBL got his start in the US funded covert war in Afghanistan") and then the ridiculous ("to create a ridiculous stuffed toy that politicians like Rudy Giuliani can bash at every opportunity"). That's right, Karl Rove is secretly financing and giving the talking points to the members of the 9/11 Truth movement. We have been soooo deceived! Our cover is blown! Damn you!


by reader
>>So, does anyone know about this group which has been calling for a Strike in Santa Cruz in Sept. 11?

http://www.strike911.org/

- Facebook hits 20,000 members

- Strike featured on michaelmoore.com

- Cindy Sheehan’s Gold Star Families for Peace and The Camp Casey Peace Institute and People for Humanity have endorsed the Strike.

- Covered in Scoop

- Organizing on Indymedias all over the world

etc.

ISSUES -

9/11

* 9/11 Family Steering Committee’s Unanswered Questions
* Complete 9/11 Timeline http://www.cooperativeresearch.org
* 911Truth.org http://www.911Truth.org
* 9/11: Press for Truth Documentary http://www.911pressfortruth.com


13. "On 9/11, no aircraft hit WTC 7. Why did the building fall at 5:20 PM that evening?"
The 9/11 Family Steering Committee Questions for Rudy Giuliani
http://www.911independentcommission.org/giuliani31804.html

The families themselves ask what happened to Building 7. Nothing "wingnutty" about it. There is massive and redundant support for the demolition theory of the WTC, and it has nothing to do with hoaxes about the Pentagon. The real issue at the Pentagon is how it was ever hit by anything in the first place, and why.
by David Lombard
"They" must find it difficult that have taken authority as truth instead of truth as the authority.
by Drew Lewis
Well on the first point of the "observer" who doesn't have the courage to give his name, the identity of one of the 911 Truth Members who was present at the anti-war vigil on August 28, David Lombard, is not only well known in the anti-war community but also wrote a rebuttel the this accusation by Mr. "Observer". On the second point made by Mr. "Observer", that the "sign bearing individuals" were deliberately attempting to disrupt the event by "changing the topic", I guess that Mr. Observer doesn't have a clue as to what the fundamentals of Democracy and Free Speech are all about. Everyone at a public gathering of this type in a free society should BE ENCOURAGED TO SPEAK THEIR MIND, reguardless of what "Mr. Observer" thinks the "topic" of the vigil is. Consider this: If there are criminals in the Government and THEY want us all to stick to a topic of THIER choosing, then they are safe from exposure. On the issue of the 911 Truth I would suggest that everyone look at the evidence, especially the testimony of the frist responders: the firemen, medics and police, they are the ones who describe bombs going off BEFORE AND AFTER the planes hit the buildings. The truth about what REALLY HAPPENED on 911 is important because it is the pretext to the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq which just happen to be very important to the oil and gas companies profits. Here is my suggestion for a good source of information on what really happened on 911:www.911sharethetruth.com Peace Drew Lewis
Charlie Sheen believes we need a new 9/11 investigation because there are problems with the official 9/11 story, most notably with the issue of what happened at the Pentagon and how World Trade Center Building 7 fell. Originally aired on JIMMY KIMMELL LIVE.

"It is physically impossible for World Trade Center Building 7 to have fallen absent a controlled demolishion" - Rosie O'Donnell. Originally aired on THE VIEW.

Now, conspiracies aside, all these brave patriots are doing are asking questions. Is that such a crime? They are not assigning blame, they are not promoting conspiracies, they are simply questioning the official story given to us by our Government and mainstream media. And all you have to do is look at how the mainstream media attacks these brave patriots, as opposed to engaging in civil dialogue on the issue, for simply asking questions to know they must have something to hide. They use the old, "If you can't attack the messsge, attack the messenger", and unfortunately this tactic works on most brainwashed Americans.

Charlie and Rosie are not alone, check out http://www.patriotsquestion911.com

Also check out:

http://www.911blogger.com

http://www.911truth.org

http://www.911sharethetruth.com

Do your own research, make up your own mind, think for yourself.
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