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The Hitler quote is misleading, it was Reichsmarschall Hermann Göring who said that.

As background, Göring's last days were spent with Gustave Gilbert, a German-speaking intelligence officer and psychologist who was granted free access by the Allies to all the prisoners held in the Nürenberg jail. Gilbert kept a journal of his observations of the proceedings and his conversations, which he later published in the book <i>Nürenberg Diary</i>.

The following quotes were part of a conversation Gilbert held with a dejected Hermann Göring in his cell on the evening of Thursday, April 18, 1946, as the trials were halted for a three-day Easter recess:

Göring: Why, of course, the people don't want war. Why would some poor slob on a farm want to risk his life in a war when the best that he can get out of it is to come back to his farm in one piece?

Naturally, the common people don't want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor for that matter in Germany. That is understood. But, after all, it is the leaders of the country who determine the policy and it is always a simple matter to drag the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship, or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship.

Gilbert: There is one difference. In a democracy the people have some say in the matter through their elected representatives, and in the United States only Congress can declare wars.

Göring: Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.

But there is a great Hitler quote in "Mein Kampf" which sends shivers down my spine:

“All this was inspired by the principle - which is quite true in itself - that in the big lie there is always a certain force of credibility; because the broad masses of a nation are always more easily corrupted in the deeper strata of their emotional nature than consciously or voluntarily; and thus in the primitive simplicity of their minds they more readily fall victims to the big lie than the small lie, since they themselves often tell small lies in little matters but would be ashamed to resort to large-scale falsehoods. It would never come into their heads to fabricate colossal untruths, and they would not believe that others could have the impudence to distort the truth so infamously. Even though the facts which prove this to be so may be brought clearly to their minds, they will still doubt and waver and will continue to think that there may be some other explanation. For the grossly impudent lie always leaves traces behind it, even after it has been nailed down, a fact which is known to all expert liars in this world and to all who conspire together in the art of lying. These people know only too well how to use falsehood for the basest purposes.” -- Adolf Hitler, "Mein Kampf", 1925-1926

“His primary rules were: never allow the public to cool off; never admit a fault or wrong; never concede that there may be some good in your enemy; never leave room for alternatives; never accept blame; concentrate on one enemy at a time and blame him for everything that goes wrong; people will believe a big lie sooner than a little one; and if you repeat it frequently enough people will sooner or later believe it.” -- OSS Psychological Profile of Hitler, Part Three (http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/people/h/hitler-adolf/oss-papers/text/oss-profile-03-02.html)

This is ALL very dangerous. We're seeing a revolution in the making. The Bush Adminsitration is bad enough, just wait until the Democrats sieze the reins of power. They're going to come on like they have a mandate, and they won't end this endless war either.

As a philosopher I can tell all here the problem is not what it appears without deep thought about the nature of our culture and our individual existences today. It was Descartes who gave us all we can truly know until it is advanced by philosophy, slowly one step at a time.

Descartes' cogito, <i>I think, therefore, I am,</i> is the best we have a firm hold upon during our stay in this world. We each live wrapped up our entire lives in the bubble of our own consciousness. All our beliefs, biases and prejudices are all only within us. Literally our entire universes each play themselves out thus, individually for all of us. We can know this for sure.

We in the U.S. live in a moral socialist nation, as we let the government set the wholly specious moral values and goals of the populus, but our philosophy has not yet given us a distinct definition of morality. It must be from here we must begin.

Our personal and collective morality is feebly based upon the ten commandments, the thou shalts, each of which is but a hint at some vague, sometimes contravened morality.

I then give it all to you here, the moral imperative derived entirely from the <i>cogito</i>. It's a shocker for some, especially men of science, politics and extra-especially religion, each of whom feign either amorality or morality as their technologies, nationalist or theist belief systems continue to debase every aspect of living human existence.

The moral imperative is to live a life the detracts not at all from the possible experiences of those who might follow us into this world, respecting everything that provides to us the diversity of our experiences we experience individually in this precious world, its diversity, its forgiving beauty, its clean water and once cleaner air, its freedoms, and sometimes, even most often, our faulty notions of free will.

The question is not, Does free will exist? for choice is always infinite, a truth with which fate cannot determine a route. The question of free will then is how to plausibly effect what we perceive is best in the face of that infinite and against the odds of our collective ignorance, that we call culture, and even civilization.

So then, this choice of free will must be tempered against and yielding of all we can truly know, the <i>cogito</i> and the moral imperative. All else is merely the speculative enchantment given to us by those around us, and those who have written to us from the past.

Consider: Once it was written, even no doubt more than once, that the world will be destroyed, and true believers will be given a second chance. Some seek to hasten this test, while others intuitively grasp it is a gamble with near zero odds.

It would be nice to be given a second chance after destroying the world for us, as well as for so many others, but to consider a second chance even remotely possible seems to contravene that which we can know, the <i>cogito</I> and the moral imperative.

Epicurians might say, Enjoy! I want to say, let them, those who might yet still enter here in our place after we have gone, let them survive to live another day in this wonderful less adulterated world.

I've certainly enjoyed it.

Haven't you? I thought so. Damn the Existentialists then.

If it's revolution you want, consider, where will it end up after the revolution?

It's all about leaders. We simply have to stop following.

Don Robertson, Philosopher
Limestone, Maine

An Illustrated Philosophy Primer for Young Readers
Precious Life - Empirical Knowledge
The Grand Unifying Theory & The Theory of Time
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We must continue to organize and defend the Constitution.
This gov't must be held accountable for detaining peaceful protestors, stealing provate lands, banning books like "America Deceived", conducting warrant-less wiretaps and starting 2 illegal wars based on lies.
These protests are a beginning. Peaceful means first then ....
Be defiant, support indy media.
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Why wait for them to steal another? They've already stolen 2, that we know of. Diebold & ESS & other electronic voting machines haven't gone away. As you've seen, time and time again "taking over the streets" is VERY ineffective. What you SHOULD do, is take action. The source of their power is the people. The people put them in power through the vote. The vote is being hacked by their electronic voting machines. So, if you remove those voting machines, perhaps forcefully on Nov. 7th, then you remove the wool from so many people's. Make a spectacle of yourselves at the polling places. Announce your reasons for doing so. Throw fliers in the air, and topple over as many voting machines as you can. If MANY people do this, the media can't ignore it. And neither can all of those people you just pissed off by denying them their right to believe their vote actually counts.

Well, yes, inform the people. That is what many of us use these demonstration opportunities for. Many of us are passing out deception dollars, 9/11 info, vote fraud fact sheets, not only to the choir but to all the tourists and financial workers as we march. This is how I use these events and make them effective. Not just to create a visual spectical.

By the way, many people in this crowd do want to create a V for Vendetta event on the 5th of November, and if you want to pass out vote fraud info to people before the elections this would be the best time.

V was a great movie. Great enough to be called seditious by our Lords and Masters. Expect detentions just wearing them in some extreme circumstances. Very powerful symbol in these times of madness.

People want to critisize the number of people who showed up and who is behind the movement. How small and narrow minded. First off, there are only a limited number of people who are enlightened enough to see what is going on. That is not the fault of the enlightened ones. By the time the blind American denialists see, the lights will be turned off.

Second, who cares who is behind this movement? Someone needs to do this, period. It's not like there is going to be some kind of takeover by them, even if that is what they want. However, I suggest you just shut the hell up and join up to stop the completion of the fascist coup. Or maybe you would rather have the fascists run things than the people.

It's great to see you there up on that stage . . . a real step forward.

I can't imagine how anyone could "get in trouble" for wearing a mask. If it does seem scary (to the neocons), then GREAT! They deserve to shit THEIR pants for a change, the pigshit CHILDMOLESTERS!!!! As for being threatening to anyone else, I don't see how that can be. The movie wasn't a kids' movie and the mask isn't scary looking.

Let them arrest you and then take them to court!!! I would love to try to see them argue that a person can't wear a mask because it's "threatening!"

Thanks for the great Halloween idea!

Good photos generally.

Thanks so much for bringing a camera and taking great pictures and posting them! This has been such a busy week for me, I brought lots of stuff to the rallt and march, including the new issue of the Deception Dollar which features the V for Vendetta masks and says- "Unmask State Sponsored Terrorism," but I haven't had time to write or post an article, just an entry at my blog (which includes my 5 minute speech).

Way to go San Francisco! I took Thurs. pm off work after posting World Can't Wait info. outside my cube, went to downtown Akron where there were only about 10 people protesting outside the federal building. Although we were well received, there should have been more of us there! It's nice to know SF was out there doing it like it should be done. Also, the fact that F-16's were even in San Francisco airspace during a protest is nothing short of sacreligious!