Medea Tell It to Rumsfeld!

Ha Ha! This is great!

Portland is an excellent site - lots of discussion and very little STL nonsense, plus lots of conspiracy stuff . . .

that's because they don't have the silly 'latest comments' feature

That this same person shows up over and over? As long as they continue to not recognize who she is they'll make the same mistake over and over by letting her in to these audiences. Personally I'm glad that they have no clue, but it also just shows how stupid they are. No wonder the economy is tanking.

Glad to know the NYT ran this.

-How many civilians would be killed?

As few as possible.

-How would they protect us against the backlash of anti-Americanism?

Anti-Americanism is likely any day regardless of whether or not we go into Iraq today or tomorrow. We have informed you that another attack is possible and even likely.


-Why is this all about oil?

It's not.


-Why is it coming up now?

Ever heard of 9/11? How about al-Queda?


-Can't we wait till after the elections?

Why? Don't you want to know your elected officials position on this PRIOR to the election?


-Why is the Bush administration stopping this inspection process?

They haven't. Saddam has. The UN resolution calls for inspectors to go anywhere at anytime. Saddam has said they can only inspect military installations. Iraq has broken and/or ignored 16 UN resolutions since 1991.

-Why don't we put it back into the hands of the [U.N.] Security Council?

Where in the Constitutuion are we authorized to seek the permission from a secondary body regarding US interests?

Those answers aren't supported by the facts.

One the first question alone, about civilian deaths, it's been shown that the number of civilian deaths has steadily increased in past decades. And now the US supports Israel in not even letting the UN check the facts after military action - so don't even BEGIN to talk about civilian deaths that you know nothing about.

"One the first question alone, about civilian deaths, it's been shown that the number of civilian deaths has steadily increased in past decades. "

-How many civilians would be killed?

Fact: More than 3000 were killed on 9/11/01.

Fact: The vast majority were American citizens.

Fact: Probably no American citizens will die in a war with Iraq. In any event, it will be minimal.

Fact: Saddam Hussein has killed his own, innocent citizenry in recent times.

Fact: In war, innocent civilians do suffer.

Fact: If the Iraqui people depose their own dictator, we won't have to kill any of them.

Fact: If "as few as possible" is not a good enough answer for you, then tough shit.

"And now the US supports Israel in not even letting the UN check the facts after military action"

Really? Where are the facts that support this? You are talking out of you ass! If you are talking about Jenin, the UN was allowed in and they found nothing!

"so don't even BEGIN to talk about civilian deaths that you know nothing about."

tell us all about what you know, oh brilliant one! You don't know JAck!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Like I said,
"don't even BEGIN to talk about civilian deaths that you know nothing about."

factfinder, where do you find your "facts"? The UN was NEVER allowed into Jenin. Have you read the UN report on Jenin? The very first sentence reads "The report was written without a visit to Jenin or the other Palestinian cities in question and it therefore relies completely on available resources and information".

The Rumsfeld event ws schedualed to coincide with the testimonies of the yet to be silenced victims of nine eleven.
It took place while the intelligence commitee took time to listen to requests and unanswered questions of the heroic families of that atrocity.
It was a very enlightning event but when Cnn had to decide which congressional conference they should air live they opted for rumsfeld... thus keeping the looming unanswered questions hidden from viewers

Yea Nessie i've noticed these worthless rightist clods of shit have been spending a lot of their time writing under your name. Take it as a compliment. I think they've done it to me as well.

The funny thing is that all their sneering comes as the system they adore is running out of steam. Smart partisans of capital are beginning to voice real concern at the magnitude of the crisis. Listening to the FREEPERS these days one would think that shit was sailing smoothly. Not so. These jive turkeys, of course, care only for themselves so it's no use pointing out the human toll of the policies that they cheer. So let's appeal to them in the only language they know: myopic self-interest. With that in mind, let us consider:

Plummeting stock market
Financial speculation and chicanery
Housing bubbles
Stupidly high price/earnings ratios
Mass lay-offs
Huge manufacturing over-capacity
Crisis in Brazil and Argentina
Massive corporate and household debt
Astronomical current accounts deficits
Falling dollar
Collapsing demand
Rising crime rates
Failed war on terrorism

I could go on. The bottom line is that global capitalism is in a pit, and all these silly-ass clowns can do is regurgitate John Birch Society Cliff-Notes. It's actually humorous when we consider that capitalism has always relied upon it's allies to be smart enough to put it back on track when it falls into "disequilibrium", as it inevitably does. These days the US is lead by the most merciless and avaricious elements of the corporate oligarchy -- too malevolent and stupid to
see the train wreck that's coming.

These are scary times, but the openings for those who hate capitalism are opening wider everyday.

HA HA HA HA!!!!

"The way to tell if I actually wrote something is simple. If it sounds like something I wouldn’t say, it wasn’t."

ignoring the arrogance of the above statement made by a legend in his own mind, please provide a list of names you use so that we can be readily able to distinguish you from the trolls.

So Three Arabs Walk Into A Bar ...
by Ann Coulter • Thursday September 19, 2002 at 07:37 PM


AN AMERICAN CITIZEN overheard three Muslims at a Shoney's restaurant laughing about Sept. 11 over breakfast. "If people thought Sept. 11 was something, wait till Sept. 13." "Do you think that will bring it down?" "Well, if that won't bring it down, I have contacts. I'll get enough to bring it down."

Patriot Eunice Stone took down their license plate numbers and called the police as the mirthful Muslims left. (I'd give you the names, but they're too complicated. There's a reason they use numbers at Guantanamo.) Despite the racist hysteria sweeping the nation, the police did not rush out and start rounding up Arabs. They interviewed Stone in person to evaluate her credibility and corroborate her story.

That night, a little after midnight, one of the two cars being driven by the Muslims ran a toll booth -- at least according to everyone but these beacons of truth. Law enforcement officials soon descended on the cars. According to accounts in The New York Times, the men were uncooperative, refused to answer basic questions, gave false information and told contradictory stories. A bomb-sniffing dog reacted to the presence of explosives in both vehicles. After a careful search, however, no explosives were found and the men were released.

Naturally, therefore, the men and their families accused Americans, especially Southerners, of being ignorant racists. "Just because of the way we look or the way we choose to live our lives, we're persecuted," said the sister of one. Demonstrating her own open-mindedness, she explained the entire incident by saying, "Unfortunately, they stopped in a restaurant in Georgia." No prejudice in that.

It's interesting that the Muslims' denial of Stone's account was instantly and universally treated as having precisely the same credibility as Bill Clinton denying he had sexual relations with Monica Lewinsky. Even the Islamic Al Sharptons simply assume these guys are lying. The Muslims now say they didn't do it. Their defenders say they were joking. (Who knew the Religion of Peace was so darn funny? Did you hear the one about the release of VX gas in Disneyland?)

By my count, the Muslims have given at least five versions of what happened. Eunice Stone has given one consistent story. She has been interrogated by law enforcement officials and is corroborated by another witness.

According to the Boston Globe, the Three Stooges first told law enforcement officers they did it on purpose. Stone, they said, was watching them too closely and this got the poor little darlings' undies in a bundle. So they decided to scare her. One year after Muslims murdered thousands of people on American soil, evidently it's rude to look at three Muslim men decked out in Arabic garb.

Next, the Muslims told reporters that Stone had "put a little salt and pepper into her story." A stunned CNN correspondent blurted out: "Salt and pepper?" He reminded them what Stone had heard them say. "Well, yes, whatever," came the reply.

Third, they tried out the hysterical-woman defense -- used to great effect by Democrats in the Clinton era. One of the Muslims tauntingly demanded to know "how many other people witnessed this event that supposedly took place, first of all?" Well, at least one other person. Stone's son was there and he heard the conversation exactly the same way. He just thought the men were playing his mother and him for suckers. (The Muslims might want to try the Clintonian "she wants to write a book" defense.)

Fourth, the Muslims leapt to their very favorite explanation, the one they haul out at the slightest provocation for almost any occasion: Pogrom-oriented Americans were victimizing them. In a stirring sermon, one of the Arabs advised Americans to "read about other people and read about what they believe before we jump to conclusions."

Yes, it's manifestly absurd for anyone to think Muslims might blow something up. In point of fact, it is only by not reading that Americans have been deluded into spouting the Soccer-Momism about Islam being a "religion of peace." Actually, reading would provide dozens upon dozens of contrary examples from the last year alone.

While I could be jumping the gun -- the night is still young -- it now appears that their final answer is: They were talking about a car. They didn't say anything about 9/11 or 9/13, but the "bring it down" bon mot referred to bringing a car down to Florida. This occurred to them only after meeting with their lawyers. Oh, OK.

No one in the press has bothered to investigate the "car" story further. No one believes them, so what's the point? It would be like chasing down Gennifer Flowers to ask her if it really happened only "once."

Non-terrorist Muslims are crying wolf when they play these games -- talking about blowing up buildings in restaurants, taking a lighter to their sneakers on commercial aircraft, and spending a long time shaving in airplane bathrooms. Intentionally or not, they are giving the real terrorists a cushion for the next attack.

Instead of preying on America's hatred of prejudice, these aspiring Scottsboro Boys should capitalize on America's capacity for forgiveness, admit they did something really stupid, and stop lying.


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Ann Coulter is a bestselling author and syndicated columnist. Her new book titled Slander: Liberal Lies About the American Right was just released in June.

what a load of Orwellian racist drivel. They were bringing a car to impress someone, nuff said. Isn't what's her name, the little false snitch, isn't she a southerner? There's alot of racism in those parts.

you're not Nessie. And Southerners are not a "race" you fool. The Southern race, LOL!!!!!!

"While I could be jumping the gun -- the night is still young -- it now appears that their final answer is: They were talking about a car. They didn't say anything about 9/11 or 9/13, but the "bring it down" bon mot referred to bringing a car down to Florida. "
- from the article.

They may not have been bringing a car at that specific time but it was an action they intended to do, and it was in fact what she overheard them talking about.

hey don't talk back to me! that's racist against the north-by-northwestern race! (snicker)

for a "champion of intelligence" you sure do post alot of dumb pictures. Here, have a peanut.

1 peanut

Thanks for the peanut. Can I post my boring little doggie pictures again? I want the right to know how intelligent the LEFT can be. snicker

bad monkey. no peanuts for you.

I'm responding to trolls again. Please somebody hELP me! I'm showing the true intellect of the leftists, and I can't help it.

actually, we don't have any trolls here. We have kooks and shills. Trolls leave once they get stuff started; kooks and shills hang around.

Kook Appraisal Test (KAT or KAT Index)

Instructions :

In this section give yourself ONE point for every YES answer.
Give yourself additional points for multiple occurences.

Grading scale follows questions.

Have you ever :

1. Been the first to go ad-hominem in a newsgroup debate.
2. Accused someone of breaking a non-existant Federal Law.
3. Called a properly formatted cancel of a BI>20 article a *forged cancel*
4. Ranted about *Free Speech* when a moderator rejected your article.
Two points if it's spelled "FREE SPEACH".
5. Complained to someone's ISP when you got spanked in a flame war.
6. Been complained about to your ISP deservedly.
7. Flamed someone from an anonymous account.
8. Made a spelling flame.

In this section give yourself TWO points for every YES answer.
Give yourself additional points for multiple occurences.

1. Called someone a pedophile or drug pusher without proof.
2. Ranted about *Free Speech* when an anti-spammer cancelled your article.
3. Posted to a newsgroup via sock-puppet.
4. Thought about becoming a Freedom Knight.
5. Voted via sock-puppet in a Big Eight vote.
6. Defended a well known kook.
7. Been Nominated for a Kook award.
8. Called someone a *NAZI* or otherwise invoked Godwin's Law.

In this section give yourself THREE points for every YES answer.
Give yourself additional points for multiple occurences.

1. Threatened to kill or cause bodily harm to another via mail or post.
2. Stalked/harassed an opponent off-line.
3. Mail-bombed anyone.
4. Spammed a newsgroup.
5. Posted a forged or altered newsgroup article.
6. Lost an account due to abuse.
7. Won a kook award
8. Threatened a groundless lawsuit via mail or post.
9. Had a FAQ posted about your kookiness.

Scale/Rank :

1 - 5 points : Kook Wannabe. Read Grubor's posting history on dejanews.
You have much to learn. You may have just screwed up once.

6 - 10 points : Journeyman Kook. Continue to mimic the real kooks.
You could be a contender.

11 - 20 points : Kook First Class. Still a lesser light, but you HAVE arrived!

21 - 30 points : Kook cum Laude. Someone is considering writing a FAQ about
you.

31 + points : Kook Magna cum Laude. You have a FAQ.
You've won all the big awards.

Where does this lady get money to fly around the world as the self-appointed leader of _________ that she is? Answer- from her zionist father. Next question; Since when is the left in need of sellout self-appointed leaders who love to snitch out street activists and call for their mass arrest? Next question; If the reality is that this lady is a snitch and a sellout then why do they continually and perpetually pose as radicals? Answer- IT'S A BIG SETUP ! DON'T TRUSS IT !