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Sharon suffers "significant" stroke with "massive bleeding," in surgery now
It serves Sharon well that he will now likely never see any sort of final status for Israel as a nation, as hard as he was pushing for a unilateral Israeli resolution by expanding settlements and building walls in the West Bank, and the creation of his new political party, Kadima. He and his cronies made damn well sure that Arafat would never see Palestinians achieve sovereignty in Arafat's lifetime. You reap what you sow and now the piper has come calling for the fat man of Sabra, Shatila, and the Al-Aqsa Intifada.
Sharon suffers cerebral hemorrhage
Doctor: Israeli prime minister has ‘massive bleeding,’ transferred to surgery
BREAKING NEWS, (AP) Updated: 5:31 p.m. ET Jan. 4, 2006
JERUSALEM - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a cerebral hemorrhage Wednesday and was receiving breathing assistance while under general anesthetic, a hospital official said. Power was transferred to his deputy.
Sharon, 77, suffered a “significant” stroke and was brought to Jerusalem’s Hadassah Hospital from his ranch in the Negev desert, an official said. Channel 2 TV said Sharon was suffering from paralysis in his lower body and was taken into the hospital on a stretcher.
Dr. Shlomo Mor-Yosef, the hospital’s director general, said Sharon was under general anesthetic and was receiving breathing assistance while doctors assessed his condition.
A few minutes later, Mor-Yosef emerged to say that initial tests showed Sharon had suffered a cerebral hemorrhage, or bleeding in his brain.
Addressing reporters in English, Mor-Yosef said Sharon had “massive bleeding and was being transferred to an operating theater.”
Olmert assumes control
Cabinet Secretary Yisrael Maimon said Sharon’s authority had been transferred to Vice Premier Ehud Olmert.
The latest health crisis came hours before Sharon was to undergo a procedure to seal a hole in his heart that contributed to a mild stroke on Dec. 18.
Sharon adviser Raanan Gissin told CNN the premier was attending meetings and went home to his ranch after suffering chest pains and weakness.
“In the presence of his doctor, and upon his advice, he said he should be taken to the hospital,” Gissin said.
Sharon reportedly is 5-foot-7 and weighs more than 300 pounds, but doctors checking him last month said he otherwise was in good health. Since then, Sharon has lost several pounds while dieting, doctors said.
Had started re-election bid
The dramatic downturn in Sharon’s health comes as he runs for re-election on March 28 leading a new centrist party, Kadima. Sharon has a wide lead in the polls.
The party’s strength is centered on Sharon himself, and if he were forced to leave the scene, Israel’s political scene would be thrown into turmoil.
Sharon’s office said his personal physician was with him at his ranch. He was taken by ambulance, a drive of more than an hour from his ranch in Israel’s south, instead of by helicopter.
After his first stroke, doctors said Sharon would not suffer long-term effects, but they discovered a birth defect in his heart that apparently contributed to the stroke.
Since then, Sharon has been taking blood thinners.
White House condolences
In Washington, the White House said that “our thoughts and prayers” are with Sharon and his family.
National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones said President Bush had been briefed on Sharon's condition "and we will continue to monitor the situation."
Sharon has been prime minister since 2001, guiding Israel through a five-year Palestinian uprising, and opinion polls after last month's stroke continued to show him the clear favorite to win a March election as head of a new centrist party after quitting his rightist Likud movement.
Political analysts said no figure has dominated Israel to the same extent as Sharon since founding Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion.
Sharon has had to endure one of the most pressure-filled years of his long career. There had already been signs it was taking its toll, with the prime minister sometimes looking drawn.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10709976/
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The line of succession if Sharon is incapacitated
Deputy premier Olmert would serve for 100 days
The Associated Press
Updated: 5:33 p.m. ET Jan. 4, 2006
A look at issues raised by strokes suffered by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon:
Precedent
Sharon, 77, is the oldest serving prime minister. But his strokes are not the first health scare to hit the office. In 1969, Prime Minister Levy Eshkol died in office and his deputy, Yigal Allon, served as caretaker leader until the Labor Party chose Golda Meir as successor. When Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated in 1995, Shimon Peres assumed power until general elections. Menachem Begin experienced numerous health problems, including heart attacks, depression and a stroke, while in office in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Aides sometimes hid his afflictions, and no caretaker leader was named.
Succession
If an Israeli prime minister becomes incapacitated, the deputy premier assumes the post for 100 days. Then, Israel’s ceremonial president meets with political leaders and chooses someone to form a coalition government.
Elections
Sharon’s strokes do not necessarily affect plans to hold Israeli elections March 28. But concerns about his health could affect Kadima, the centrist party he founded. The party, which advocates peace talks with the Palestinians, revolves around Sharon’s leadership.
Possible successors
Kadima includes a mix of politicians who have left the hard-line Likud Party and dovish Labor Party. If Sharon cannot run, potential replacements include Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, former premier Shimon Peres and Finance Minister and Deputy Premier Ehud Olmert.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10711032/
Doctor: Israeli prime minister has ‘massive bleeding,’ transferred to surgery
BREAKING NEWS, (AP) Updated: 5:31 p.m. ET Jan. 4, 2006
JERUSALEM - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon suffered a cerebral hemorrhage Wednesday and was receiving breathing assistance while under general anesthetic, a hospital official said. Power was transferred to his deputy.
Sharon, 77, suffered a “significant” stroke and was brought to Jerusalem’s Hadassah Hospital from his ranch in the Negev desert, an official said. Channel 2 TV said Sharon was suffering from paralysis in his lower body and was taken into the hospital on a stretcher.
Dr. Shlomo Mor-Yosef, the hospital’s director general, said Sharon was under general anesthetic and was receiving breathing assistance while doctors assessed his condition.
A few minutes later, Mor-Yosef emerged to say that initial tests showed Sharon had suffered a cerebral hemorrhage, or bleeding in his brain.
Addressing reporters in English, Mor-Yosef said Sharon had “massive bleeding and was being transferred to an operating theater.”
Olmert assumes control
Cabinet Secretary Yisrael Maimon said Sharon’s authority had been transferred to Vice Premier Ehud Olmert.
The latest health crisis came hours before Sharon was to undergo a procedure to seal a hole in his heart that contributed to a mild stroke on Dec. 18.
Sharon adviser Raanan Gissin told CNN the premier was attending meetings and went home to his ranch after suffering chest pains and weakness.
“In the presence of his doctor, and upon his advice, he said he should be taken to the hospital,” Gissin said.
Sharon reportedly is 5-foot-7 and weighs more than 300 pounds, but doctors checking him last month said he otherwise was in good health. Since then, Sharon has lost several pounds while dieting, doctors said.
Had started re-election bid
The dramatic downturn in Sharon’s health comes as he runs for re-election on March 28 leading a new centrist party, Kadima. Sharon has a wide lead in the polls.
The party’s strength is centered on Sharon himself, and if he were forced to leave the scene, Israel’s political scene would be thrown into turmoil.
Sharon’s office said his personal physician was with him at his ranch. He was taken by ambulance, a drive of more than an hour from his ranch in Israel’s south, instead of by helicopter.
After his first stroke, doctors said Sharon would not suffer long-term effects, but they discovered a birth defect in his heart that apparently contributed to the stroke.
Since then, Sharon has been taking blood thinners.
White House condolences
In Washington, the White House said that “our thoughts and prayers” are with Sharon and his family.
National Security Council spokesman Frederick Jones said President Bush had been briefed on Sharon's condition "and we will continue to monitor the situation."
Sharon has been prime minister since 2001, guiding Israel through a five-year Palestinian uprising, and opinion polls after last month's stroke continued to show him the clear favorite to win a March election as head of a new centrist party after quitting his rightist Likud movement.
Political analysts said no figure has dominated Israel to the same extent as Sharon since founding Prime Minister David Ben-Gurion.
Sharon has had to endure one of the most pressure-filled years of his long career. There had already been signs it was taking its toll, with the prime minister sometimes looking drawn.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10709976/
xxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxxx
The line of succession if Sharon is incapacitated
Deputy premier Olmert would serve for 100 days
The Associated Press
Updated: 5:33 p.m. ET Jan. 4, 2006
A look at issues raised by strokes suffered by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon:
Precedent
Sharon, 77, is the oldest serving prime minister. But his strokes are not the first health scare to hit the office. In 1969, Prime Minister Levy Eshkol died in office and his deputy, Yigal Allon, served as caretaker leader until the Labor Party chose Golda Meir as successor. When Prime Minister Yitzhak Rabin was assassinated in 1995, Shimon Peres assumed power until general elections. Menachem Begin experienced numerous health problems, including heart attacks, depression and a stroke, while in office in the late 1970s and early 1980s. Aides sometimes hid his afflictions, and no caretaker leader was named.
Succession
If an Israeli prime minister becomes incapacitated, the deputy premier assumes the post for 100 days. Then, Israel’s ceremonial president meets with political leaders and chooses someone to form a coalition government.
Elections
Sharon’s strokes do not necessarily affect plans to hold Israeli elections March 28. But concerns about his health could affect Kadima, the centrist party he founded. The party, which advocates peace talks with the Palestinians, revolves around Sharon’s leadership.
Possible successors
Kadima includes a mix of politicians who have left the hard-line Likud Party and dovish Labor Party. If Sharon cannot run, potential replacements include Justice Minister Tzipi Livni, former premier Shimon Peres and Finance Minister and Deputy Premier Ehud Olmert.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10711032/
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May you rot in hell.
Don't worry, Steve. Even Germans cried when Hitler died.
Every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main.
If a clod be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less,
As well as if a promontory were,
As well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were:
Any man's death diminishes me, because I am involved in mankind,
And therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee.
"Any man's death diminishes me for I am involved in mankind." Remember that.
Grow up, children.
There's valid stuff to say about Sharon that's both positive and negative, but much of the negative stuff is extremely exaggerated in dishonest fashion.
cheers anybody got pics of blood ozzing from his head . . . ? ?
This is how kids think, little kids, very little kids, kids too little to tell one man from another.
In fact, as anyone who has bothered to educate themself can tell you, the death of *some* men enhances mankind, benefits us all and makes the world a better place. Hitler was such a man, so was Stalin. So is Sharon. The only regret that we moral and educated grownups have is that Sharon's stroke enables him to escape the corruption scandal that had, at last, cornered him.
We'll still sing and dance for his funeral, though. Good riddance to bad rubbish. May he rot in hell.
I don't think so. Some of us just haven't completely lost our faith in humanity yet.
"i believe, in spite of everything, that human beings are basically good"
Anne Frank
I do too, Annne. I do, too.
And its people like you that cause of death rows of America to be filled up with people awaiting their state sponsored executions.
Don't you see the problem with the concept "some men"?
Was Tookie one of those men?
Who decides who those men are? A jury of their peers? The winners in the fight? The bigger stronger men? The people of power? The people in charge?
I don't want to decide. Do you?
No- best to revere all life....we all have impact for good or evil- like ripples in a pond we cannot see the future consequences of our acts or those of others.
I'll leave the value judgement to history....
>Tookie
That's an invalid analogy, i.e. bunk logic.
>And its people like you that cause of death rows of America to be filled up with people awaiting their state sponsored executions.
And its people like me that caused the murders of Anne Frank to be defeated before they could kill even more.
>Don't you see the problem with the concept "some men"?
Don't you see the problem with generalizing? No, all people are not Anne Frank. Some are Hitler. There was a point in history when the entire Nazi party could have been killed in a single bar brawl. The weren't, ergo fifty million people died.
That's an invalid analogy, i.e. bunk logic.
Why?
Who decides right from wrong? Good from evil?
In Tookies case, it was a "jury of his peers" . In Hitlers case- history? majority opinion? The winners in the game? Hitlers willing executioners felt he was right all along.....the noble German people did little to stop him. He was "right" until something bigger and baddder stopped him and then he was "wrong". Right and wrong, good and evil -are they all culturally relative? Targeted assassination- if it saves lives- is that acceptable? State sponsored executions- if they save lives- are they acceptable?
I don't have answers. Just questions.
We look at things through our American cultural filters.
Maybe Sharons disengagement will be the catalyst that brings a true just and lasting peace to the region. I don't know- neither do you. We are too small and close minded and our lives may be to short to see the long term effects of his policies.
Why judge?
It wouldn't matter, that would not make up for the fact that he has been a war pig/criminal sleazebag all his life.
No compassionate human being exaults in suffering, of any kind.
Wild tangent
My girl scout troop is "doing" dinner at our local shelter this week- we buy, cook and serve dinner to 50 or so homeless men. We've done it before- and the reason I have them do it is two-fold:
1. It is our Obligation, without judgement, to feed the hungry. All the great religions of the world say this. We should not look at the hungry and say "they brought in on themselves" or "if they didn't spend there money on drugs and alcohol they wouldn't be here". Our obligation is to feed the hungry, without judgement... without checking their ids or their resumes to determine their "worth".
2. I want my girls to know that writing a check is never enough- that you need to talk to people and look them in the eye to understand them. And if they do that, they will realize that the homeless are not that much different from themselves.
The point of the tangent and of my comments on this thread was that the only appropriate response of compassionate human beings to suffering is to end it- not to spread it around.
You don't gloat over someone's suffering. And I feel perfectly comfortable "generalizing" about that.
However this isn't about "critical thinking"-or reasoning-or politics- its about a bunch of kids giggling and gloating over someones imminent death. And thats simply wrong.
He was a criminal and terrorist, directly responsible for the deaths of many.
"On the planet Earth, man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dolphins because he had achieved so much -- the wheel, New York, wars and so on -- whilst all the dolphins had ever done was muck about in the water having a good time. But conversely, the dolphins had always believed that they were far more intelligent than man -- for precisely the same reasons."
Douglas Adams
You need to spend more time mucking about in the water, my friend.
And no, I did not celebrate Arafat's death. And no, this is not about politics. I was not discussing Sharons legacy. I was discussing the type of people whose response to suffering is:
" I hope his mind remains normal but the stroke impairs him such that everyone thinks he's a vegatable. May he spend 10 years babbling incoherently, lying in diapers, rotting in his own stench."
or
Me too that fat bastard should suffer . .
or
sharon was a evil fat piece of crap and he is gulty of crimes against humanity he deserves to suffer a painful death . . .
or
cheers anybody got pics of blood ozzing from his head . . . ? ?
This is about people who are so consumed by hate that they've lost an essential part of their humanity. Are you proud to consider yourself among them?
But you still need to spend more time mucking about in the water.
This refers to a comment that was hidden, presumably because someone doesn't want you to learn to think logically. Why they don't want you to learn to think logically, we can only speculate. The possibilities, though, form a very short list.
>you don't gloat over the suffering of a fellow traveler.
Sharon was no fellow of any righteous, moral person. He was evil. Evil is the enemy.
>Compassion trumps
No it does not. This bunk logic at it's most destructive. It was out of compassion for their fellow Germans that the Wehrmacht soldiers fought.
Nothing trumps reason. Compassion is irrational, and as such, easily misdirected. If you feel compassion for men like Sharon, Hitler, Stalin, et all, your compassion is misdirected. The rational thing to do is to feel compassion for our *real* fellow travelers, the victims of monsters like these. The rational way to express that compassion is to defend those victims by any means necessary.
<html><a href="http://www.kcmetro.cc.mo.us/longview/ctac/corenotes.htm" target="_blank">Critical Thinking Core Concepts
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<a href="http://www.datanation.com/fallacies/" target="_blank">Stephen's Guide to the Logical Fallacies
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<a href="http://www.nizkor.org/features/fallacies/" target="_blank">The Nizkor Project: Fallacies
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<a href="http://www.brasscheck.com/martin.html" target="_blank">Thirteen Techniques for Truth Suppression
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<a href="http://www.proparanoid.com/truth.htm#25r" target="_blank">Disinformation vs. Truth
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Stephen's Guide to the Logical Fallacies
The Nizkor Project: Fallacies
Thirteen Techniques for Truth Suppression
Disinformation vs. Truth
Methods of Persuasion: Key Terms
This refers to a comment that was hidden because it was just another one of narcissie nessie's self-advertisements. Note that nessie believes "thinking logically" means "thinking like nessie." He couldn't be more wrong.
And it was pretty funny to see the troll earlier in this thread go all bugeyed because he thought he'd sniffed out -- gasp! -- a Zi-i-i-i-ionist. Funny stuff.
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