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Young Singers Spread Racist Hate

by abc
Oct. 20, 2005 — Thirteen-year-old twins Lamb and Lynx Gaede have one album out, another on the way, a music video, and lots of fans.

They may remind you another famous pair of singers, the Olsen Twins, and the girls say they like that. But unlike the Olsens, who built a media empire on their fun-loving, squeaky-clean image, Lamb and Lynx are cultivating a much darker personna. They are white nationalists and use their talents to preach a message of hate.
Known as "Prussian Blue" — a nod to their German heritage and bright blue eyes — the girls from Bakersfield, Calif., have been performing songs about white nationalism before all-white crowds since they were nine.

"We're proud of being white, we want to keep being white," said Lynx. "We want our people to stay white … we don't want to just be, you know, a big muddle. We just want to preserve our race."

Lynx and Lamb have been nurtured on racist beliefs since birth by their mother April. "They need to have the background to understand why certain things are happening," said April, a stay-at-home mom who no longer lives with the twins' father. "I'm going to give them, give them my opinion just like any, any parent would."

April home-schools the girls, teaching them her own unique perspective on everything from current to historical events. In addition, April's father surrounds the family with symbols of his beliefs — specifically the Nazi swastika. It appears on his belt buckle, on the side of his pick-up truck and he's even registered it as his cattle brand with the Bureau of Livestock Identification.

"Because it's provocative," explains April of the cattle brand, "to him he thinks it's important as a symbol of freedom of speech that he can use it as his cattle brand."

Teaching Hate

Songs like "Sacrifice" — a tribute to Nazi Rudolf Hess, Hitler's deputy Fuhrer — clearly show the effect of the girls' upbringing. The lyrics praise Hess as a "man of peace who wouldn't give up."

"It really breaks my heart to see those two girls spewing out that kind of garbage," said Ted Shaw, civil rights advocate and president of the NAACP's Legal Defense Fund — though Shaw points out that the girls aren't espousing their own opinions but ones they're being taught.
On that point, April Gaede and Ted Shaw apparently agree.

"Well, all children pretty much espouse their parents' attitudes," she said. "We're white nationalists and of course that's a part of our life and I'm going to share that part of my life with my children."

Since they began singing, the girls have become such a force in the white nationalist movement, that David Duke — the former presidential candidate, one-time Ku-Klux-Klan grand wizard and outspoken white supremacist — uses the twins to draw a crowd.

Prussian Blue supporter Erich Gliebe, operator of one of the nation's most notorious hate music labels, Resistance Records, hopes younger performers like Lynx and Lamb will help expand the base of the White Nationalist cause.

"Eleven and 12 years old," he said, "I think that's the perfect age to start grooming kids and instill in them a strong racial identity."

Gliebe, who targets young, mainstream white rockers at music festivals like this past summer's "Ozzfest," says he uses music to get his message out.

But with names like Blue-Eyed Devils and Angry Aryans, these tunes are far more extreme than the ones sung by Lamb and Lynx.

"We give them a CD, we give them something as simple as a stick, they can go to our Web site and see other music and download some of our music," said Gliebe. "To me, that's the best propaganda tool for our youth."

A Taste for Hate

Gliebe says he hopes that as younger racist listeners mature, so will their tastes for harder, angrier music like that of Shawn Sugg of Max Resist.

One of Sugg's songs is a fantasy piece about a possible future racial war that goes: "Let the cities burn, let the streets run red, if you ain't white you'll be dead."

"I'd like to compare it to gangsta rap," explained Sugg, "where they glorify, you know, shooting n****** and pimping whores."

Sugg shrugs off criticism that music like his should not be handed out to schoolyard children, arguing that "it's just music, it's not like you're handing out AK-47s."

Perhaps not, but Shaw says it's the ideas in the music that are dangerous.

"When you talk about people being dead if they're not white," said Shaw, "I don't think there is much question that that is hateful."

A Place to Call Home

Despite the success of Prussian Blue and bands like Max Resist within the White Nationalism movement, most Americans don't accept their racist message.

Like many children across the country, Lamb and Lynx decided to help the victims of Hurricane Katrina — the white ones.

The girls' donations were handed out by a White Nationalist organization who also left a pamphlet promoting their group and beliefs — some of the intended recipients were more than a little displeased.

After a day of trying, the supplies ended up with few takers, dumped at a local shop that sells Confederate memorabilia.

Last month, the girls were scheduled to perform at the local county fair in their hometown. But when some people in the community protested, Prussian Blue was removed from the line-up.

But even before that, April had decided that Bakersfield was not "white" enough, so she sold her home, and hopes that she and the girls can find an all-white community in the Pacific Northwest.
by Jack Wolfe
Music is a medium through which artists have a voice. What they choose to say with that voice is at their discreion and representitive of themselves as well as our shared culture. The very nature of independant music means that the messages shared in them are not conventionally accepted.

Dont like what you hear? I would suggest not listening. Think the coverage of a particular music should be censured to suit your moral and ethical tastes? I would suggest being less intolerant of others. (Ironic isnt it?)

Personally, this is the sort of news I want to hear about. We are a diverse culture, especially here in the bay. That diversity has a darker underbelly and I for one, would like to know whats out there to encounter.
by Andrew
You fight to have the right to say and do what you want.. when someone does something against what you believe you go f**king apesh*t. Seriously. Fight for what you really believe in, not what you think you believe in. I can't stand Rap and all the shit they say, but I don't believe we should deny them the right to sing it. If these girls want to sing about raping babies, so long as they don't go out and start raping babies.. they can do it. Will they sell a lot of records? I'm gonna go out on a limb here, and say no.

People go on and on about how we live in Free Countries.. so why is it when someone wants to do something that they believe in, just because it's not what YOU believe.. that you go f**king crazy on them?

Don't like their music? Don't listen. Don't like what a video game does? Don't play. Don't like a religion? Don't go. Don't like what I have to say? Don't read it. If you still want to do those things, then don't complain.. you've officially given up that right.

Seriously people.. just grow the f**k up.
by Dead Nazi = good Nazi
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by A concerned citizen of our youth
I am appalled and disgusted at the way children are being brought up. The devastation of the millions of lives murdered is not a light matter. What if the tables were turned and millions of white skinned, blond hair, and blue eyed people were massly murdred, the opinion changes, huh? This verbal and public display of hatred is illegal for all men were created equal: black, white, oriental, hispanic, arabic, etc. No wonder we have so many problems in this world for hate runs strong in the hearts of men.
by Richard Martin
Well, if anything, this is just another example of a perfect reason for funding public education and socialized health care. Clearly people are losing touch with reality and teaching it to their kids. If we had a decent education system. we could retrain these students after their parents teach them hate and then provide mental health counseling and treatment to the parents.

This type of thing makes me ashamed to be white.
Dont dare try to pass these girls off as being from a Christian right wing conservative family as the Democrap website already has. Just becasue someone calims to be Christian and carries a Bible and goes to church does not make them a Christian any more than a white lb coat, stethoscope and my presence at a hospital makes me a doctor. They are nothing more than brainwashed little girls who are being led astray by their parents who are merely pawns in the hand of Satan.
by J
"This type of thing makes me ashamed to be white."

They are not the spokespersons for "white" people. Noone should ever be ashamed to be a race. We are born a certain color. A color is a color, just like a number is a number. Now, lets say, if you were apart of their culture, then maybe you would be ashamed to be apart of it. That idea I understand.

I don't think the mental healthcare thing will work on the parents. We don't know if there is anything wrong with them. Sure, most of us hate their beliefs, but that doesn't mean they have a mental disorder.

I think as a percentage, more and more people will always realize that spreading hate based on race does not make sense. We cannot rely on this thought that I have, so your idea on educating people is the right thing. We should never specifically tell people how to think. In my opinion, that is not the job of education. If we give them the information, they should be able to think critically and make sound conclusions on their own. If the parents gave their kids this choice when they were being home "schooled", I think they would be completely different children.

There will always be a fringe. As long as the fringe is not getting bigger, there is no need for drastic measures. It is like a mole. Just leave it there if it isn't growing. But if it is growing, do whatever you can to stop it.
by Larry Pate
Another Reason for Public Education
by Richard Martin Sunday, Oct. 23, 2005 at 2:12 PM

You mean a liberal education, don't you. The education system is a corrupted mess and your socialist ideas are not what we need in this country.
by Larry pate--right wing shill--brainwashed
What an idiot. It sounds like you just repeated what you heard on AM-right-wing-nut radio!! LOL!
by LM
The simple fact of the matter is twofold: 1) most people are racist, to some degree, including every minority in the world; 2) people who get along with other races are, on average, more successful than people who don't. What does that mean? It means that you can't cure racism, and you don't have to. We are racist because there is a slight biological propensity to be xenophobic. This is due to a genetic pressure to maintain genetic identity (genes want to preserve themselves). However, genes and the bodies they create are no longer the highest level of organization. Societies are. And genes that form societies are collectively stronger than genes that form strong individuals. So eventually, individualist genes, such as those which tend to make people strongly xenophobic (such as racists, or X-ists), will also cause the individuals harboring those genes to be less successful, reducing their representation in the population at large.

At one time, cells were strongly individualistic, but then formed into groups that we call multi-cellular organisms. Single-celled animals still exist, but we call them "bacteria", and the ones that are harmful get destroyed by something as simple as hydrogen peroxide. In human collectives, which we call "societies", there are still single-celled animals, which we call "fringe groups". And while they may tend to cause disease from time to time, they are largely held in check by the body as a whole, because the body functions better when their activity is minimized. The cost of eradicating them is too high, nor is it justified. Keeping them in a benign state is generally the cheapest and safest path. Let the girls record all they want. We can only hope that someday they wish more for their lives than the legacy left them by their family, and they will strike out for broader, more successful ideologies.
by sam taylor
These girls just might get a mind of their own one day and see the bullsh*t they were raised with. It's one thing to be proud. Another to be ignorant.
by P. Kont (piskontra [at] hotmail.com)
Singing "say it loud, I am black and I am proud" is one thing.. glorifying and singing a a tribut Rudolf Hess is another. I urge you to do a bit of reading about Rudolf Hess, before you make such idiotic comments. If you had any idea about the WW2 or the Nazis you would be emberrased for the comment you made.

And yes there is a diffrence, betwewen a white person and a black person that say , i am proud of my race. It was the white race that gave the world racism, nationalism, and xenophobia.. It was the white race that created slavery as an institution for hundreds of years.
by penilorace
It is perfectly fine to be proud of your ethnicity, but it is another thing to think that your ethncity is superior to others. These little girls are nothing other than cute little Nazis! They aren't just saying they are proud of their race, they don't even want to be near black people for god's sake! They are moving to an ALL-WHITE community! And another thing, if my name were Lynx or Lamb I would be to embarassed to show my face in public. :-)
by right or wrong
I dont think that anyone can prove these girls beliefs to be right or wrong. prejudice is something that, no matter how long we wish it to be gone, will never disappear.

I could never understand why someone would think that one race is better than another. In my opinion - people are people. and should be judged on their hearts and minds, not on their skin/eyes/hair/whatever.

HOWEVER, I agree that they should be allowed to believe what they wish. No one really has a right to tell them they're wrong. but it doesn't mean that I dont feel sorry for their blindness. Seriously. having a "pure" blood line has got to be near impossible.
by ferdiad
Tosay that it was whites who gave the world slavery is ignorant in the extreme. Are you telling us that the egyptians found in your bible, masters of millions of Jewish slaves were white? While I don't agree with a single thing the girls are saying and in fact the whole situation makes me sad, blaming folks of european descent for all of societies ills is no better than what they're saying.
by Harris Johnson (harris2thejohnson [at] yahoo.com)
Where to begin?

"Those who don't know history are doomed to repeat it"

First, a brief "grade-school level" history lesson (as it pertains to this article):

World War 2 was a war in which a violent, insane man; (Hitler) rose to power in Germany through manipulation, murder, and intimidation. He used his power and position to brainwash the people of Germany into believing that they were the "elite" race, and therefore, should be the only race. By utilizing propaganda (including music), he encouraged intolerance and maltreatment of "non-aryan" peoples. Which was of course including (but not limited to) Blacks, Gays, and Jews. Hitler was killed in 1945, but apparently, his ideals were not.

Second:

Our nation was NOT concieved under the belief that "All men are created equal...with the exception of Blacks, Gays, Jews and anyone else who isn't white". Therefore, the idea that this racism has a "history in the nation" is not only absurd, but innacurate. The Civil Rights' movement, and citizens who refuse to tolerate ignorance, have supposedly obliterated racist thinking, as well as any widespread teaching of those ideals. I happen to believe that all the education and action of the past 50 years was not for naught.

Therefore, if we have learned anything from history, it's that ignorance and racism can not be tolerated in any form. Nor is it our duty as americans to respond to racism and cruelty with a "live and let live" attitude. Indifference and inaction breeds more indifference and ignorance, with no positive results.( I am not saying anything that has not been said before).

In response to the individual who thought that "you just dont have to listen if you're offended":
This is the ideal that is paralysing people from involving themselves in changing our environment for the better. The negative impact of this racist music is being ignored. The moment that a person with the ability to speak out against racism does not; they have lost the battle.

If the girls' musical message is allowed to spread (namely to the impressionable minds of children), the message will do nothing but grow and fester. And that is the biggest travesty of all. Don't support this music, and write a letter expressing your outrage to anyone who will affect a change.
by for example
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by Abney
Oh, sure! Public school is the answer. Where hatred of religion and traditional american values is preached every day. Don't get me wrong, I think these girls are nuts, and so is the rest of their family. But you can't lump home-schoolers all together under this umbrella any more than you can lump all teachers together under the few women who are sleeping with their teenage boy students.

Besides that, at least these girls can read unlike so many of our public school graduates.
by allysia
It is not a "tables turned" kind of issue. The Holocaust affected everyone, was horrible to everyone. The Nazis were and still are wrong. The fact that these girls have blonde hair and blue eyes doesn't make them any more prone to hatred. People hate no matter what they look like or what their nationality is. The saying that ignorance breeds hatred is true, as seen in the case of these two girls. There are many more just like them, though. Maybe with time and distance from their families they will see the beauty in how colorful the world is, maybe not. You can't help them all, but you can prevent it from becoming an issue with your own children.

The little pockets of hatred across America are something you see on Jerry Springer and you're like, they're just dumb hillbillies-- its not something you are gonna go do.
by deanosor (deanosor [at] comcast.net)
Maybe if they could, they would read that slavery has been abolished. They could read about Maritn Luther King,or numerous othr non-white who made major contributions to this part of the wrold.
by Leon
Honestly, why should anyone be proud of what colour skin they have? Its not as if anyone can help what they are born into. I'm not proud of being white as I would not be proud to be black,brown or yellow.
These girls are misguided because of their ignorance and lets hope they learn some sense eventually,but we cannot deny them freedom of speech because if we did we would be no better than Hitler who denied his people the right to express themselves freely without fear of persecution.
by Matteo Orazi
THAT'S ALL DUE TO THE GREAT IGNORANCE SPREAD ALL OVER THE WORLD AND ABOVE ALL IN THE STATES!!!
There is no well informed man (unless he's mentally ill) who could ever support those ideals.
Everybody knows what consequences those things brought to the whole world!
DO NOT FORGET! History teaches us all!
So you two young bitches before open your stupid big mouth open up a book instead!
How can you support something who brought death and suffering to millions people??
you just disgust me!
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by nice t's
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those nazis are a clever bunch, mixing the acid smiley face of the sixties with their all-time hero of the 1930s and 40s (do nazis even do LSD? could their minds handle it? Hitler did crank daily, but that's a whole 'nother ballgame)
by caninegirl (personal)
I hate these girls. They give the music world a bad name. Their parents should be arrested for child abbuse
by heather
this little girls are gonna burn in hell
i hate these little bastards
by mike newell (mikenewell2 [at] yahoo.co.uk)
i was very interested to read about these two girls in the morning edition of the paper. I am english, and we have very similar problems here, but as usual yours are more advertised. I am not saying what they do is wrong or right, but would be interested to know their heitage does not seem germanic to me. To sing songs about the viking and german history, when they are clearly classed as anglo-saxon, is a ridicule to their limited knowledge on European history. Technically anyone who has a birthmark is classed as impure! So would also like to know if this is irrelevent to them.
by mahatma gandhi
we're all the same color on the inside...
by Kristin (kris_sdsu [at] yahoo.com)
That makes me sad. I can't believe these children are sporting hitler shirts like it's Mickey Mouse?

My prediction, these girls will be suing their parents by the time they have been released from rehab...for the first time.

Proud of my race, but this family is white trash.
by omaha ne
THESE GIRLS ARE ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING. I HAVE A ONE YEAR OLD DAUGHTER, HER AND I ARE BOTH CAUCASIAN. I HAVE FRIENDS OF ALL RACES AND SEXUAL PREFERENCES AND MY DAUGHTER LOVES EACH OF THEM. I CANT IMAGINE BEING SO ONE SIDED. I JUST WATCHED THEIR ATTORNEY ON MSNBC CLAIM THAT HE THOUGHT THE SMILEY FACE SHIRTS THEY WERE WERE FUNNY, ABSOLUTELY DISGUSTING
by Chris Smallfield (csmallfield [at] hotmail.com)
In response to...
"Oh, sure! Public school is the answer. Where hatred of religion and traditional american values is preached every day. Don't get me wrong, I think these girls are nuts, and so is the rest of their family. But you can't lump home-schoolers all together under this umbrella any more than you can lump all teachers together under the few women who are sleeping with their teenage boy students.

Besides that, at least these girls can read unlike so many of our public school graduates. "

Did you ever go to public school? I've gone to several, I garauntee they are not "preaching" hatred of religion. Like the majority of American Citizens, the same percentage of teachers (aka normal people) believe in god and folllow a faith of some sort. They are specifically not preaching anything for or against religion, thanks to the constitution and seperation of church and state.

What are traditional American values? The laws set down by the Jewish Faith? Muslim? Christian? some of these values conflict, and you can't just choose one. Which is why we have laws. Public school's purpose in society is to educate you in the structure of our goverment, intellectual pursuits and to put all children, black, white, purple, Jewish, Hindu, Muslim, whatever on an even playing field. Values should be taught at home. That is a parent's job. And that is sadly often neglected, by people expecting everyone else in the world to raise ones children. Good, attentive parenting eliminates the need for a school or public institution to teach morals. It eliminates the need for censorship, pretty much most restrictions on the freedom that us American's celebrate.

If a parent cares enough to do homeschooling, that's awesome. But high school and college are far more important as social experience than math and science, and if you are not careful homeschooling may stifle that. Learning to stand up for yourself, getting along with people of differeing opinions, are extremely important skills to hone to be successful in today's world.

That's my 2 cents anyway. God, Allah, Buddha, unnamed diety, bless America.
by Butler (bigmammabutler [at] aol.com)
I was expecting to see a lot of comments agreeing with the beliefs that those girls were taught. I was surprised to read and see that there are many sane people responding.

When I watched them on T.V. I wanted to cry , I did not want my daughters to watch. I did call them to watch however because they need to know that this world is filled with all kinds of people who believe different things.

I can not hate those girls anymore then I can hate my own. My girls are proud to be part of american culture.

After watching them on T.V. my girls and I are more determined to continue getting to know different people and culture.
People like that are a lesson for the rest of us !!!!!
by jd (jd263c [at] btinternet.com)
"It was the white race that gave the world racism, nationalism, and xenophobia.. It was the white race that created slavery as an institution for hundreds of years"

shut up tosser - black people were involved with the gathering and selling of slaves, any history book will show that, slavery is still very much alive and kicking in africa, evry race is guilty of xenophobia and racism

if these girls want to waste their time on tosspot shite like that - it is a free country - well it is here in the UK anyhow

and as for the woman whoose one year old and loves all the faces and sexualities - shut up - shes f*cking one year old you idiot - do you think she has a f"$%ing clue, if you feel so fecking outraged at how these girls have been brainwashed - may i suggest that you try not to do the same yourself and let your daughter make up her own mind

thanks for listening
UK a free country!?! Is that why you're under constant surveillance, aren't allowed to defend yourselves from criminals and can be arrested and held without trial if somebody says you're a "terrorist" or you say the wrong thing in public about somebody else who is acused of terrorism?

Free? Gimme a break. The UK is an open air prison.
by Josh
My gosh jd, have you even read what everyone else has said so far? Everything you've said, and i mean Everything, has already been pre-rebutted before you, for your convenience.

Next time read the whole story before attempting to flame others for sharing their views.
by german-guy
I'm from germany and don't like what these girls do... I HATE IT!
I think no one of this f***ing Nazis in the USA knows what he is believing in... Have you ever thought about the things these NAZI-Assholes have done? They killed millions of WHITE People. You hear what i'm saying? WHITE PEOPLE! I bet there was no black jew. not a single one!

You should know about history before you believe in it... It's hard to know that all these people over there are so stupid... Fuckin IDIOTS! Be a raciest if you whant to, but stop worshipping people like Hitler or some of his "friends". What they did was perhaps the worst thing ever happend in history and there are people who are proud about it... Be happy not to be in germany. All these raciest would faster be in prison than they could say "i love hitler". Both fuckin arms should be cut off of every single raciest who tries to raise it...
by Nate
These girls parents should be f***ing ashamed of themselves. 13 year old girls don't have their own political views, their mother is just putting them on display to force her views on others. It also makes no sense, whats the point of putting out albums that right off the bat don't appeal to half the public. DUHHH!! not a very savy business move if you ask me. Parents shouldn't be teaching there children they are better then any one person because they are not!!! Real Cute dancing around a swastica any parent should be proud. Those girls are ugly little monsters!!! Hows that for freedom of speech!!!!
by A-Lee
For some very strange reason, i feel sorry for those two girls, and to the rest of the population who assume anyone who is white is inferior. To me, one day they'll finally open their eyes and see that where-ever they go, preaching their racial hate, they will always to outnumbered. I feel sorry for them because they cannot open their minds. What's going to happen when they grow up and realise that they must learn to accept multiculturalism? They're worth nothing if they cannot "go with the flow". So as an asian, i don't hate them, i pity them, for they will never experience life as it should be.
by GarrettM (gmfusion77 [at] hotmail.com)
I'm not sure if you actually posted a coherent opinion. I understand your point about a free country, but what you forget, about a free country, is that it cannot be ENTIRELY free, or it will eventually impede others' freedoms.
You say that people have the right to do as they please. The problem with that is that there must be a limit. IE: Thou shalt not kill (among others) People take this one for granted, saying, "Well, that one is a given. It's obvious. Of course you don't go around killing people." Where is the line drawn between what you can and cannot do? Is it right up to the point at which a human's life is taken? Where is it? Is it maybe, right up to where you punch someone in the mouth, but then stop? Or maybe, it's kicking them in the knee...Or TALKING about kicking them in the knees.
You said this: "If these girls want to sing about raping babies, so long as they don't go out and start raping babies." It's a fragmented sentence, but I believe we all get the picture. I, for one, do NOT believe this has anything to do with freedom. If these girls lived in MY community, and I heard these songs, the first thing I would do is keep my doors locked, and call the police. My community would disallow them from living near us and our children, with the belief that raping babies is acceptable. Whether they actually practice what they preach or not, it will not be left to be discovered. I will KNOW that it will never happen in my community, because they will discontinue their residence there. Maybe they don't actually sing about raping babies. Maybe that was a hypothetical. But "freedom" as you so patriotically state as being part of our heritage as Americans, has limitations. Otherwise, Anarchy would be our new freedom.
- Do I have the right to say to an airline pilot, "I have a gun and so do four of my friends"?
- YES.

- Does a US marshall, who just so happens to be flying on the same flight as me and hears of my little convo with the pilot, have the right to kill me immediately, no questions asked?
- YES.

Basically, you're saying it's not alright to kill people, but if they wanna talk about it, then it's fine. Charles Manson talked about it. He had a little "cool" group that was recognized as the "in crowd". That group of people took people's lives, because they wanted to be free and do as they pleased. How free are those dead people? ...the dead people's families? I would not descibe myself as free, if I found out my sisters had been raped and murdered. They certainly had their freedom stripped at that moment. Are you so naiive, to think that talking about something won't lead to practice of said ideas? Maybe YOU should grow up, and start listening to what others have to say. Maybe you will develop some sort of opinion. Freedom has bounds...bounds that keep us free.
by GarrettM (gmfusion77 [at] hotmail.com)
My comment, "I disagree" was in response to:

"Well."
by Andrew Sunday, Oct. 23, 2005 at 11:42 AM
by GarrettM
In response to:

To N Rosado
by P. Kont Monday, Oct. 24, 2005 at 11:58 AM
piskontra [at] hotmail.com


I don't like to sound like a jerk, but this ignorance, that I find on this page, makes me upset. To think that there are so many people out there who think what you think, is vomit-inducing. You are upset about racist comments, responding to racist comments with racist comments. Apparently you think that this PARTICULAR form of racism is bad, because it does not agree with your form of racism. You said this:

"And yes, there is a difference, between a white person and a black person who says, " I am proud of my race." It was the white race that gave the world racism, nationalism, and xenophobia. It was the white race that created slavery as an institution for hundreds of years."

I think your first problem is your lack of attention in school. Or maybe you went to a school where the history books had lines, if not whole chapters, crossed out by your teachers. Your second problem is the fact that your keyboard works. If these hadn't been the case, then I wouldn't be bothered with the necessity to respond to such ignoramousness(no, I don't think that is a real word).

The British were powerful, but not quite powerful enough to just run into Africa, forcing blacks onto a big ole' ship, saying, "You're coming with us!"

Or maybe you think they coersed them, saying, "Get on board! This is the Carnival Cruise line! All you can eat, shrimp, crab legs, lobster! All you can pick, cotton...ummmm...I mean....uh....Welcome aboard!"


It was a group effort, and nobody is right for what happened. I take no sides in racism. I condemn racist people for racist thought, not particular races. Why is it so absurd to think that people could begin to take their minds off of racism? Do you think that reminding everyone about historical racism leads to deterioration of present racism? I tend to think it feeds a fire we've been trying to put out for years.

I don't like the term, "racial pride." To say that one is proud of his or her race, is to say that he or she is less than proud of another race. That is the father of racism. You are only recirculating it. Stop being proud of your race, and start being a little less proud, in general.

by sara (soccerbabe4e [at] aol.com)
wow i was appalled reading this article. the first thing that comes to mind is how DISGUSTING these little shits are. secondly, how low-class and white trash their parents happen to be. it's people like them in this world that keeps us at war with different countries/religions/races..etc. it's funny that these little pieces of shit girls decided to ONLY help the white victims of hurricane katrina.. i mean come on..who the hell do they think they are besides TRASH!?
by Morgan
This is sickening to think of people using these children as advertisements for a group that is so pathetically stuck in their ways.
Where on earth did this start that white people are viewed as the supreme race? Hitler had a lot to do with it of course, but this divided view dates back to long before that.
Yes, the past is in the past and there is nothing that we can do to change that, EXCEPT learn from it and change it now.
Why is it that we are in the 21st century now and we are STILL so divided? Isn't it about time that we all stop and think about the effects that this division and quarelling is having on society, and society's youth. We do not need to be bringing up children in a society where this is still "normal". It is not normal and I wish that everyone could stand up for this and protest against it.
Does it sicken anyone else to think that these thriteen year old girls have a record label and fans? Why are we promoting this thinking?
It is only the colour of our skin. Only the colour.
-a Canadians point of view
by Joe 'Nazibuster' Stalin
Ohh my, these poor kids. Hell, I just visited their home page...Unfortunately I must tell all the nazis amongst you, what Hitler did to Poland, Prussian Blue are now doing to the German language! A text of 134 words has WAY more than 20 spelling mistakes. I was so shocked I did not dare do look at the grammar. In the third Reich they would have been send to Concentration Camp right away.
by Liz
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when i heard about that i got so pissed of those two girls shouldnt shut the F**** ^ !!!!! first of all they dont even know how to sing, i don't think that they have ever seen a person of another race. Were all the same hispanics, blacks, asians, whites, ect....... I dont think i ever seen anyone so f**** stupid as them. I like what the girl before me said(it's people like them in this world that keeps us at war with different countries/religions/races..etc.- by sara Thursday, Oct. 27, 2005 at 7:32 AM) and i agree on it. It so dumb what these girls are thinkin......and i hope that one day they'll change
by yup
these girls (esp. their mother) are stupid, even on the most selfish of terms

my guess is that they would rather be famous than be true diehard nazis

in a few years, in order to reach more fame, they will probably drop the nazi stuff and repackage themselves

maybe they'll get lucky and no one will remember and they can sell some records as the 25th generation of bubblegum wonder twins

one day, though, someone will run across this post, or their actual CD, from their nazi days and the gig will be up -- music career over, and blaming it on momma ain't gonna cut it

either way, staying nazi losers or pretending to "move on" for the sake of a record career, they're screwed, and will be drug-abusing has-beens before you can say Hollywood Blvd

only way to redeem themselves, truely, is to lose the nazi crap and the music asap, run away from home and start over. unfortunately their egos are probably already too big to just walk away
by ashleigh
as a fifteen year old female, i am horrified when i see such actions, especially those sick t-shirts. i jus wish that these two girls could get their minds out of this gutter they have been put in, long enough to see what their "favorite person" a** hole hitler did to many innocent people. i think if it was the "pure white race" that was targeted, they would have different views on their songs, and the fact that they think the holocaust is a "MYTH" read the text books kids, it was 100% real, so come out of your fantasy world and stop spreading hate messages
by new mommy (shana_j_cappiello [at] sbcglobal.net)
WOW. What a shame, 2 beautiful, YOUNG girls singing the praise of Hitler, and so ignorant...one of them said that she didn't believe that he really killed MILLIONS of Jews, because she didn't think there were every really that many Jews?! WHAT THE FUCK has this world come to? Racisim is disgusting in all forms. I have an idea..if you want to preserve your race, and keep it all white..find another place to live. I'm sorry that I'm even giving these girls the time of day and publicity by even writing this, but honestly, SHAME ON THEIR PSYCHO MOTHER. May she burn in hell next to a black man, while being screwed by an Arab, and kissed by a Jew.
by Amigo
they are not even aryans, all of this groups call themselves white supremacists, and fight for a white world because they (this is funny) can't call themselves aryan supremacists nor can they say to be fighting for an aryan world, most of them think it is enough with having white skin and/or blonde hair, and they think that makes them aryans if this nazi people were aware of who their ancestors were they would shit their pants, because they come from saxon tribes that fought against the germanic tribes when european societies were still wearing diapers, they were two different races fighting each other in a very random-picking way (common ancestors though).
so, ignorance is bliss? LOL!!!!, very convenient for them
well in my opinion, if they want to, they can all nazi asses around the planet buy an island and create their "perfect" world far far away from the rest of us.
and to end my comment i just want to say years ago I had a nazi friend, but, when he grew up the nazi in him died, now he hates them, calling them liars and brainwashers, well at least a few get saved...
by Amigo
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by who gives a shit?
the only importance these children have is that which you give them.

really-- they just don't matter.
by the concern is very real.
many americans take their political cues from dolled-up preteens in the entertainment industry.

why do you think they're so committed to not funding the schools? really, it explains california better than just about anything else.

this is a clear and present danger to the republic!! what if they're positioning for a gubernatorial run??
by lolita
in bakersfield.... apparently.
by Kate
These girls have a music video on ifilm.com, which has garnered some criticism for the site. Some viewers want the video to be taken down, while others feel it is better to keep it there for everyone to see. Knowledge is power.
I admit, when I first saw the video, I thought it was someone's idea of a joke -- and then I read about it and realized how awful it really was. It's something I won't be able to soon forget, so I'm glad I found out about it. Now I realize how important it is to provide children and youth with information about these issues, from which they can come to their own conclusions. "Discovery learning" (an instructional model) would be useful in this case, in the classroom. Being able to think critically about these kinds of issues is something that must be learned, and the deepest impact will be made if youth arrive at their opinions and conclusions themselves.
by nate
I hope these girls don't really like entertaining, because if they do they will be screwed when they grow up and realize how stupid this is. No one in the right mind would give two former hitler loving racist spokespersons a record deal...sucks to be them...oh well they can't really sing anyway!
by Ellie
Just some random wonderings that came to mind as I was reading through the article as most of the main issues have been discussed already.

I wonder, had these girls and their families unfortunately been caught up in Hurricane Katrina, would they refuse aid in case it had been donated by persons of a different race?

Also, for the majority of my childhood I had blonde hair and blue eyes. When I turned 15 my hair gradually darkened and five years on it's now brown. I wonder what effect this would have on the girls should it happen to them. It sounds ridiculous, but really, their whole belief system seems to be based on the colour of their hair, skin & eyes!
by Activist
http://www.movementexposed.blogspot.com/

Prussian Blue is the result of a mothers need of attention. April Gaede forces her daughters to use the last name Gaede as their stage name. Their real last name is Lingelser named after their real father Kris Richard Lingelser who is a Nazi himself.

I feel sorry for her daughters. If they had a better mother they would have turned out different.
by ....
Als deutscher kann ich hier nur den kopf schütteln über diese dumme und idiotische idee!
Kleine kinder für die idielogie .... so war es im 3. Reich auch!

Scheiß Nazis!
by vincent
the biological term "race" for different colored people is wrong. the mankind is only one race, homo sapiens sapiens. The color of the skin shows a characteristic mark like shade of the hair. Seperated for thousends of years the differences spread more and more.

"hitler was killed" said anybody. he had shoot himselve.

i think the teached american patriotic pride is making a wrong image of all the problems in the world (as you can see by the uneducated girls).
the religious conservatives are tending to get back in history.
perhaps 50% of the citizens do it, too. but thats not the america i'm dreaming of, do you? ;)

STOP WAR/WASTING & POVERTY

by APAT4
I'd have to say people in this "free" country are allowed to do as they please. Music is an expression. Music is my life. I play it, sing it, dance to it. I would die without it. Therefore they are allowed to do with it as they please. The thing I'd have to disagree with is the way these girls are being brought up. Their education is so limited that their opinions and beliefs are not necessarily their own but their parents' beliefs. Does the "Allegory of the Cave" not explain exactly what these girls are going through? They need to be fed the other half of the story, and then should they form their opinions. I'm disappointed though. This is 2005 and we still have people who can't accept people with a different skin color.
by david murphy
People are being simplistic when they say we should simply not listen to these monstrous little brats. When evil is treated as simply another belief it encourages it to take hold and spread.

White suprmacists, religious fanatics and the like damage our society and it is our right, if not our duty, to be seen to stand against them. I would further argue that when these people preach their hate against black people, the hurt caused to black people is worsened by the readiness of supposedly decent white people to turn a blind eye.

§D
by D (warriorfan611 [at] hotmail.com)
when i watched this it really ticked me off. i'm asian and one of the nicest people i know are white and they treat every race with respect. plus, how many more places are still only white n the u.s. and b white supremist?
by a concerned youth (lalaina11 [at] hotmail.com)
Ok everyone clam down.Fair enough there's gangster music and heavy metal and what not.This I'm afraid has just gone to the extreme.Ok i understand the "if you don't like it don't listen to it concept But answer me this....if you do listen to it and you do like it A LOT....what do you thinks gonna happen huh????of course your gonna sart living it. Please dont give me hat bull of "well not really becasue......." becasue the truth is it does happen EVERYWhere!!!.Its dosnt just stop at the music, that's actually where it starts.I'm not a big fan of rap myself so I'm not being biased here.II would not want my children growing up listening to rap music or any music that promots violence for that matter.What those twins lamb and lynx and their record company are doing is just wrong they know it is and that's the end of it.
by Urall Idiots
Numerous people have stated they hate these girls...
Numerous people have stated they are disgusted by these girls...
Numerous people have said the girls parents are abusing them...
You're all idiots... when you respond with hatred your are guilty of hatred...
When you seek to blame others for their actions you are passing judgement...
There was a man a few years ago that advertised the public execution of a rat at a specific time... he was chased and would have been beaten by the crowd if caught. I think that the rabid crowd mentality of suppressing, dismissing, attempting to intimidate into submission, or beating into obscurity anything that conflicts with "politically correct" views is pure and total farce. Hindsight is always 20/20 and it is only after the fact that people decided that the "politically correct" (at the time) followers of Nazism were misguided. How misguided are your politically correct followings going to appear in the future.
If the girls choose to help only white's in Louisiana, so be it. The UNCF hasn't awarded any white's a scholarship have they? Consider these girls as evangelical preachers of the NAAWP. Answer a few questions...
Is there a White Entertainment Television Channel?
Could one be established?
Does the white race have an Essence Award Show?
Think there could be one?
Why should they be referred to as African-Americans when they don't acknowledge my ancestry by addressing me as a European-American?.
They're not even the number one minority anymore, but are still populating the jails and prisons as number one.
They have the greatest amount of bastard children yet have been given the uneven edge of Affirmative Action and should have been able to maintain families better with greater prosperity and educational opportunities.
Offer people an opprtunity for 41 years since the Civil Rights Act...if they can't move up in two generations, they are destined to be losers forever.
You're all idiots....wake up America!
by michelle
I think that those girls are pathetic! But what is worse is that that their mother has made them into what they are-ignorant. It's such a shame to be that naive in this day and time. I guess I could say a bunch of horrible things about the twins, but theyre only children and what do they know?! But to the mother, You could have brought up much better children.
by Gia (graverobber [at] gaggle.net)
Music is something that peo[ple listen to everyday of their lives,howeverthe artist have a right to speak their minds.But they have to make sure that it is appropreate.....
by thefreak
Now don’t blame the white race for creating slavery, racism, because that in itself is racism. Now these girls never said anything about killing of raping babies and they never said how Hitler was so great because he killed people they like him because he like the white race. YES they are racist but the point is they are NOT violent they just want to preserve the white race as should black yellow red etc. rap is more violent it tills you to kill & rape.


P.S.
If they did say anything about killing please show me the song.
by okay then
no, they don't believe in killing

they just sing about "victory day" and "conquering" and promote white supremicism and nazism

no connection to genocide whatsoever

they love hitler for his sense of humor, not because he murdered millions. c'mon, people!
by Amber Waldner (likeapunxs [at] hotmail.com)
It's sad to see that there are kids in the world being brainwashed into thinking that if someone has a different skin color that is wrong for some reason... I myself am white, but I would never insist that someone was any less than someone else because they weren't.... In fact, there are a lot of black people, who I would put above many white people.... the late Rosa Parks for example has made a more possitive impact on this planet then President George Bush.... (yes I'm saying I don't like him....) Now I understand that April and her daughters Lynx and Lamb have permission to voice their opinions, I would never dream of saying otherwise.... It's America... we are SUPPOSE to have freedom of speech... (even though a lot of the time that doesn't seem like the case, like I'm sure I will get at least one complaint from someone about me saying something negative about President Bush....) TOUGH... It's a free country.... theoretically. I don't have a problem with voicing your opinion about anything, religion, politics, races.... it's when someone tries to preech their theories on someone else, that I have a problem....
I really just had to respond to one of the comments:

Are you sure they can read
by deanosor Tuesday, Oct. 25, 2005 at 4:50 AM
deanosor [at] comcast.net

Maybe if they could, they would read that slavery has been abolished. They could read about Maritn Luther King,or numerous othr non-white who made major contributions to this part of the wrold.

End quote

Want to meet a modern day Nazi? Go down to the office with "Human Resource Officier" on the door. If you are a "UNITED STATES citizen, the so-called national debt is your responsibility to attempt to pay as you are one of those "human resources."

Today's slavery is more subtle; the chains are installed in your head.
by this is their neighborhood
AlterNet
Racism Rising in the Golden State
By David Holthouse, Intelligence Report
Posted on November 3, 2005, Printed on November 3, 2005
http://www.alternet.org/story/27461/

CHINO HILLS, Calif. -- Despite all their big talk of honor, pride and the Aryan warrior's code, neo-Nazi Skinheads don't like a fair fight. Cowards by nature, they prefer to travel in packs and gang up on hate crime victims. The trio of Nazi skins laying in wait near a playground in a park here the morning of May 1 proved no different.

Around 11 a.m. that Sunday, a 21-year-old black man from the nearby city of Diamond Bar arrived at the park with a group of foster children from a group home where the man volunteered as an activities coordinator. He'd brought the kids to play basketball. As the players divided into teams, according to witnesses and police reports, the Skinheads swaggered over. They called the foster home worker a "nigger." They told him he'd made a big mistake by showing up in their park that morning with a bunch of mongrel brats.

The subject of their taunts and threats hastily tried to gather his charges to leave, but the Skinheads surrounded him and then attacked. They thought the odds were three to one. But they were wrong. Several of the kids jumped into the fray. Seconds later, two more adult employees of the group home arrived in a separate vehicle and heard the intended victim yelling for help. They also joined the combat. The Skinheads suddenly found themselves badly outnumbered in a fight they'd started.

One of them ran for their car, jumped in, gunned the engine, and promptly crashed into a park bench, then a metal exercise station, then a concrete barrier, and then, at last, a tree. Unfortunately, the damage did not disable the vehicle, and the Nazi at the wheel was able to throw it in reverse then roar across a field and toward the cluster of kids and adults from the group home, who by then had beaten one of the remaining Skinheads to the ground and were physically restraining the other while they waited for the police to arrive (several bystanders had called 911 on mobile phones).

The first officers on the scene found the enraged driver of the battered car wheeling erratically around the park, chasing the kids and group home workers in a deadly game of tag. They immediately blocked his vehicle with their own and arrested him for attempted murder. The other two Skinheads were taken into custody on charges of aggravated assault (one of them escaped from a local hospital that night after being treated for his injuries). A spokesman for the Chino Hills Sheriff's Department described the 20-year-old Skinhead driver as "a known white supremacist" who had previously been arrested for several racially motivated attacks in San Bernardino County. "He places himself in places where minorities will be and makes slurs," the spokesman said. Police found neo-Nazi pamphlets, stickers, and patches inside his car.

The attack in Chino Hills, a suburban city with about 70,000 residents, was no isolated incident. It occurred in the heart of the Inland Empire, a booming region of Southern California where tract homes are cheap, the air is filthy, and white power violence is on the rise.

The new minority

Made up of an area stretching from western Riverside County to the southwest corner of San Bernardino County, the Inland Empire used to be a sparsely populated, rural area of ranches, vineyards and farms, where whites were the clear and dominant majority.

All that has changed.

Driven from Los Angeles and San Diego by soaring housing prices, middle- and working-class black, Hispanic and Asian families have migrated to the Inland Empire in massive numbers, drawn by a surplus of comparatively affordable, big homes in sprawling, suburban-style developments. The rolling, high-desert terrain of the Inland Empire is now studded with more than 50 small to mid-sized cities containing a combined population of roughly 3 million. This continuing exodus inland from Southern California's expensive coastal cities has fueled large-scale residential, commercial and industrial development in the region. Horse pastures and orange groves have been paved over for strip malls and chain restaurants. Simultaneously, the Inland Empire has experienced rapid demographic shifts as more and more minorities move into a region that has long been a hotbed of white supremacist activity. Between 1990 and 2000, the Inland Empire's white population increased only 7%, while the number of blacks grew 61%, Asians 62% and Latinos 82%.

Whites are now a minority in the Inland Empire.

These seismic changes in the region's racial make-up have corresponded with a steady rise in hate crimes, including a particularly vicious spike in racially motivated violence and harassment in the past two years. During that period, as hate crimes dropped 10% statewide in California, the number of reported hate crimes in the Inland Empire shot up 20%. Last year, there were 148 hate crimes reported in the Inland Empire, most of them committed by racist Skinheads and other white supremacists.

This year, this disturbing trend has shown no signs of abating.

In January, in just one example, a gang of 10 neo-Nazi Skinheads attacked three Hispanic men outside a topless bar in Redlands, yelling racial slurs while they knocked the men to the ground then kicked them mercilessly. One of the victims suffered a broken arm. All three were hospitalized.

"The unfortunate reality is that the Inland Empire is California's own northern Idaho," said John Ruiz, assistant Riverside County district attorney, who has successfully prosecuted several high-profile hate crimes, including one in 2002 when he sent five members of the neo-Nazi Western Hammerskins to prison for stomping a black man with combat boots and cutting him with razor blades. With that case, Ruiz basically ran the Hammerskins out of town. The gang subsequently moved its base of operations to Mesa, Ariz.

"A lot of people are moving out here, and some of them don't like rubbing elbows with ethnic minorities," Ruiz said. "It's a small but very vocal segment of our society."

And, too often, a very violent one.

Cow hands wanted

The brochure reads, "Welcome to the City of Lake Elsinore, among the fastest growing cities in Riverside County. Picturesque mountains, Southern California's largest natural lake and a strategic location along the booming I-15 corridor make Lake Elsinore unique. Value for industrial expansion and new businesses are cornerstones of our economic gardening strategy. Discover what over 38,045 residents already know -- Lake Elsinore's got more!"

Lake Elsinore's also got neo-Nazis.

In September 2003, three students were suspended from Lake Elsinore High School for hoisting a swastika banner up the school's flagpole during a patriotic assembly to commemorate the second anniversary of the 9/11 terrorist attacks. One of the students told a local newspaper, "I don't like black people."

And last June, on the second-to-last day of school, two Nazi Skinheads -- who were not students at Lake Elsinore High -- accosted two black male students who were walking across the school's parking lot with a white female friend who was also a student. One of the Skinheads pulled up his shorts to display tattoos on his legs of a swastika and an Iron Cross. When the targets of his scorn just kept walking, the Skinhead drew an ice pick, ran after them, and stabbed one of the males repeatedly while shouting, "Die, nigger!" The second Skinhead threatened the other two students with a claw hammer when they tried to come to their wounded friend's aid. The stabbing victim, a starting linebacker on the school's football team, was seriously injured but survived.

The Skinhead who wielded the ice pick, 19-year-old Armando Perez, appears Hispanic but insisted to police that he was white. He later pleaded guilty to aggravated felony hate crime assault. When the judge asked him if his crime was motivated by racial hatred, Perez replied, "It definitely was."

The Lake Elsinore assault took place 10 months after a comparable hate crime at a high school in Murietta Valley, a similarly sized, practically identical city that's just a short drive south on Interstate 15. In that case, a black basketball player at Murietta Valley High School was violently fouled by a white opponent in a game during which white fans yelled racial slurs from the stands. The next day, two white students attacked the ball player outside the high school principal's office, severely beating him while yelling more racial slurs. The attackers, then aged 14 and 17, pleaded guilty to assault and making racial threats, and served short sentences in a juvenile detention center.

At many Inland Empire high schools, racial conflicts arise when large numbers of incoming black and Hispanic students accustomed to urban environments undergo a clash of cultures with their new white classmates in semi-rural locales like Norco, a city of about 24,000 located 50 miles southeast of Los Angeles that still calls itself "Horse Town usa." Norco's official Web site plays "Ghost Riders in the Sky" as theme music, greets visitors with "Howdy, Partner!" and proclaims, "We are dedicated to providing a high quality of life while keeping our rural lifestyle." City jobs are listed under the header, "Cow Hands Wanted."

At Norco High School, two black female students who sat for lunch at a table in the shade that a group of white students told them was designated "Whites Only" last September were hit in the face with burritos and then punched in the face by two white males. A few days later, a group of white students beat another black student unconscious. Racist graffiti appeared on the school's walls. Yet another black student found song lyrics about shooting blacks placed on her desk.

"People of color move their families out here because they can get a house for the price of an apartment in the big cities on the coast, and because they think it's safer out here than the neighborhoods they can afford there. But a lot of times they get here and they find a different kind of danger, a different kind of tension," said Lorraine Watts, president of the NAACP in Lake Elsinore. "Truth is, they have second thoughts once they're here, and if they could afford housing elsewhere, a lot of them would leave."

'Forced integration'

From his home in Fallbrook, just south of the Inland Empire, notorious racist Tom Metzger has a front row seat to the rising racial hatred in his part of the world.

He likes what he sees.

"The chemistry out here is perfect for more and more racism," said Metzger, the leader of the white supremacist hate group White Aryan Resistance. "You've got all these non-whites moving here from Orange County and Los Angeles, trying to flee the crime perpetrated on them by their own kind in their ghettos, and when they come out here they're basically shoving forced integration down the throats of the whites who have traditional claim to this area, and that is provoking a negative racist reaction among whites, as it damn well should. It's great!"

Most locals don't share Metzger's enthusiasm.

Several Inland Empire school districts have formed diversity coalitions in hopes of curbing racial tension among students. Anti-racism community meetings in the Riverside County city of Hemet have drawn as many as 400 people, and last November more than 7,000 residents in Lake Elsinore -- nearly a fifth of the city's population -- marched down the city's main street to protest against racial violence in their community.

Not all such violence in Lake Elsinore or elsewhere in the Inland Empire is committed by whites. In 2003, four racially motivated fights between blacks and Hispanics broke out on campus at Hemet High School, resulting in mass suspensions, and last May, shouted racial slurs between black and Hispanic students at Temescal Canyon High School in Lake Elsinore escalated into a brawl involving 200 students. And this May, three Hispanic youths chased down a 15-year-old high school freshman and stabbed him to death outside his home in Corona in what prosecutors have termed a racially motivated homicide. The three made racially derogatory statements while their victim lay dying.

But by far most of the hate crimes in the Inland Empire are white-on-black or white-on-Hispanic. The most recently reported of these crimes occurred July 10, when four Skinheads with "White Power" tattoos and swastika patches repeatedly drove past a Hispanic family's home in Hemet, shouting slurs and threats while brandishing knives. After the family called for help, police officers tracked down the Skinheads and arrested them for making terrorist threats with a hate crime enhancement. According to an investigative report, the Skinheads denied being members of any organized white power gang. They told the officers they were "just proud about being members of the Aryan race."

by Kristin (k [at] endocentric.org)
Woah. You're creepy.. I mean REALLY creepy.

Ok, yes, some of the things you stated were factual if not overly embellished. Now, would

you stop to consider that some of those points you made were a result of the society we

live in? Pressure from the more... privlaged... to remain impoverished peoples?

Also, 41 years is a very short amount of time for an entire social conciousness to change.

Anyone who studies history, and I'm talking about HISTORY not contemporary history of the

past 100 years, would know this.

And some people of color do not prefer being referred to as "african american", it has just

become a repeated usage of a term, based on cultural roots due to a massive displacement of

peoples from MANY DIFFERNT cultures from the same continent. I'm certainly not offended

that I am not refferred to as "european american", because that's just silly. I was born in

america, therefore am american. That is a fact. (Despite my major disagreements with

governmental policy at this time, but that is a different matter)

Think about what first brought those not of the aryan "race" to this country. The

circumstances. Buy a few history books. Google the subject. Watch l'Amistad (sp?). There

are things ingrained in people's heads that have yet to fully leave about those whom are

deemed "lesser" based on color. This type of social conciousness takes A LOT to change, and

I for one feel, barring the world not imploding on itself first, that day is getteing much

closer, but we are NOT there yet.

It's very easy from a middle-upper class, "white", privledged perspective to assume everyone

should have "gotten over it already" and "they" have been "given so many opportunities" and

should have come much further than they have after the Civil Rights act. That's bollocks.

The Civil Rights act was a governmental policy. That does not change one's views toward

people overnight, or even over a course of 41 years. It takes a couple of generations for a

concept like that to gel, to allow it turn into something beyond the civil rights act... to

be something the no longer NEEDS or DEPENDS ON the civil rights act.

I was raised upper middle class. I'm white. I'm female. I come from a very nice family.

I had no conception that there was a difference between anyone, male or female, white black

red yellow purple green, outside of pure aestetics, until I was about 12 or 13. I didn't

realize it, because I wasn't raised to see a difference. I wan't raised with any sort of

mention of these things at all, negative or positive. I was only sure of who I was, and

prepared to achieve whatever I saw fit. Period. I had no idea that genderand race had any

play in holding one back. The only thing that I can possibly take notice of when I look

back into my childhood was that I had few schoolmates who were not white. To be fair, I

don't think I meditated or questioned this fact much at all at the time, I think I just

happened to live in a neighborhood that just happened to have more white people. Once I got

to high school there was a huge diversity. (Mexicans, whites, blacks)

It was not until middle school that I was taught about some horrofic things some people

did to other people over silly things like skin color and religion and gender. I remember

thinking it was weird, but assuming that it was all a part of the distant past and that

everyone was past it. WWII seemed like a million years ago in my young mind. As I started

to grow and develop, I began becoming aware of the media, and what things were going on in

the world. It kept building, I kep gaining knowledge of all the strange things people do to

each other, becoming more and more confused and appalled. People thinking they're better

than others because they have more "developed" societies/technology? Many women in certain

parts of the country (the more...southern part) are still encouraged to marry directly out

of high school and pop out kids and serve their husbands? What about school? Don't they

want to learn more? Get careers? Lead fascinating lives? (note: I am not a feminist. I

believe in lead by empowered example) Police commit racial profiling? Racism still exists

in this country to a significant degree? There are KKK members who live in California? A

synogogue in my moderate sized town made up of very friendly interesting individuals was

graffittied with swastikas?

....Thus I have developed a certain bitterness towards all people, of every race gender etc.

including my own, because I have concluded they are a bunch of insane idiots who can't

manage to live sybiotically and aggree to respect each others differences and just _let it

go_. It's like I'm in a funny farm full of autistic children and I'm the one in the corner

wide eyed, sucking my thumb. (this is a gross exaggeration, mainly to prove my point. I

have a few friends, really I do, and they are of the nicest stock of people in the world)

...


These girls are a product of a home school atmosphere, from an extremist parent. This is a

fact. I would say the same if they were a couple of granola-hippie-freaks. However, the

difference is that the girls are preaching something that is not to the advancement of the

whole of humanity. They claim disrespect and disgust for those who "get in the way" of the

power of the aryan race. They are, ultimately, preaching hate. This is a result of

something called brainwashing.

...

Now on to the main part of my dissertation.

These girls are allowed to believe whatever they want, leagally, and say whatever they want,

legally. This is called free thought and free speech. When you live in a country that

promotes free speech, this means that people will not agree each other, and discussthings

openly, loudly and with vigor in forums such as this one without fear of being persecuted by

the government. (I should add here "in most respects")

The second you tell them they cannot lay down these tracks and distribute these albums and

preform in public (pending the venue chooses to allow them to preform), you are destroying

free speech. They can do everything they are doing, KKK members can gather and march down

the streets when they choose, anti-war demonstrators can do the same, socialists can fight

to save Tookie Williams, one can complain about what a terrible job they believe the

president is doing, people can claim the holocaust never occurred (...), etc., etc.

I am not supporting these girls. I am not agreeing with anything they promote, in fact I

vehemently disagree with what they say. They are a product of their upbringing, and have

little original thought, because they were not raised to have original thought, as, for

example, I was. Butthey are excercising their civic right, nomatter how young they are and

how much lack of an understanding they have of the power they wield.

I give them a year before they're out of the media's eye forever, lost in the land of has

beens. I do not say this directly because oftheir message, because that will obviously be a

contributing factor to their demise, nor due to the quality of their music because worse

artists, stylistically, have a emerged over recent years (read: Lindsay Lohan, etc.). I say

this because MTV would never ever play them. And that, as you all know ladies and

gentleman, is the only way music is inserted into the national stream.

by Kristin
Damn, I thought that would post right under the comment I was pseudo reponding to. The formatting after my cut and paste from notebad could have been better too, I aplologize. It was meant for:


Hate begets hate
by Urall Idiots Tuesday, Nov. 01, 2005 at 6:03 PM
by Miss Player
hello, when i read this artical, i felt litterally sickened. not just beacuse of the racist content, but beacuse these girls are 11 and 12 years old, and they are directing hate towards other human beings. i understand many people have racist views, but i dont think its right to install them on anyone else without the permission of the person... especially not impressionable young girls. i remeber when i was 12, i thought i was grown up enough to have political views, but looking back at it now, i was still very niave and had a simplist idea of everything. being a child should be about wonder, amazment, love and happiness. i just wish these girls had the oppurtunity to enjoy a normal childhood like i did.
L. Player, (17, u.k)
by Dayve
I think this is disgusting, and i think all hatred groupd such as neo-nazis should be suppressed. They think the holocaust was right, they think black people should be wiped out, like someone else said, how would they feel if it was THEM, being forced to dig a trench and then being machine gunned into it...? It wouldn't be nice would it.

Do they think the people they are descriminating against don't have feelings, aren't human? Do they think they want to destroy all white people? No... They just want to get on with their lives and stop being descriminated against...

We musn't blame the children though, we must blame the parents. If a child is brought up being brainwashed by their parents that anybody who isn't white is inferior and should be exterminated then that is what they're going to think... All of these racial hatred groups on earth should be re-educated, and those who are so brainwashed that they are beyond re-education should be made to dig a trench and then lay down in it whilst someone shoots them in the back of the head, and ask them how it feels...

I'm white, i'm not ashamed to be white, i don't hate any specific race of people on earth, they all are human and all have feelings just like i do, i'm not religious AT ALL, through my own choice, not through my upbringing, and i really do not see why people become like this.. I find it disgusting personally and like i say i think these hate groups should be suppressed once and for all...
by Sassy-Jade
Have just finished reading an article in the Sunday paper about Lynx and Lamb Gaede. As a mother of mixed race children [my husband is New Zealand Maori], it appalled and saddened me. We try to teach our children to judge people on what sort of person they are and upon their contribution to a greater humanity. We are not all equal, we are different. But we should embrace those differences.

While in theory I believe in freedom of speech, it does become murky when you are dealing with something that has the potential to incite hatred of any kind. As parents I think all we can do is to expose our children to as much diversity as possible, and teach them about love, compassion and tolerance. [Sorry if that sounds quasi religious, I am actually an atheist!]

It is heartening to see so many people are distressed by this issue. It shows that racists [of any colour] are still in the minority.
by Eric
Their name sounds like a deodorant company
by ME
It is amusing to see how the white race (claiming to be so powerful and strong) dropping in IQ daily. I mean really, any time you see praise be given to Hitler for being a murderer and teaching your daughters to simply be proud of being white instead of teaching them what being a woman is really about shows that you are idiots. Of course you have freedom of speach, speak away. Just so you know, not one of you is pure white, you are ALL mixed up with other things. Hate to break it to you but we are all mixing and populating this magnifent melting pot. So kiss my ass you racist assholes. The day will come and I can't wait for all people (black, white, hispanic, Native American, and so on who are NOT racist) to put your hick asses in your place. Go to hell you useless honkey bastards!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With all my love of course you piece of shits!
by Danie (danie2love [at] yahoo.com)
omg I know them when I found this out I freaked and they made a mistake Lynx and Lamb went to my school for a little while, one of them was voted princess omg I cant believe that thats them, there really nice and everything this is really crazy
by outspoken one
This is all just distrurbing.

Its people like this that make this country a laughing stock to the entire world.
I mean....has anyone seen their web site? Its absolutly disgusting. How can people actually think like this?
Now I realize they are protected by the First Amendment and all, and I dont want anyone to change the First Amendment, espcially because of idiots like this who RUIN it for everyone.
Im just sadden that people like this still exist.
I for one really thinks its a great idea to put all racist people on an island and bomb the shit out of them.
Just a thought.......
by someone who knows their history
"Our nation was NOT concieved under the belief that 'All men are created equal...with the exception of Blacks, Gays, Jews and anyone else who isn't white.'"

Have you forgotten that Black people were not even considered men back then, and thus undeserving of rights and liberty or even dignity. Blacks were the exception, and I am not having a hard time believing gays and jews were exempt as well.
by Bottled Beer
I nearly couldn't belive what I read about these two girls. It's so sad, that they don't know what they say. I can't understand their mother, how she could teach them these awful things. After this article i knew, why the nazis are a bigger problem in other countries than in germany. They aren't besmeared with the sign of hitler, like we germans are. I can't believe that this stupidness doesn't find an end after 50 years. How shall it go on...how should we and our children become filled with love in this hateful world?
by cjh17
well isnt this just the craziest thing ive heard in a while
i wish that some one could take those girls from their f**king raciest parents and send them to an inter-racial couple jewish/black/ect. and make them see that people are people! some ignorant some smart some dumb some black some white but when it comes down to it we are all people one brain one heart!!! ect. God bless
-C
by john doe (boobietitmilk89 [at] aol.com)
i find it sick that these days there are still people supporting hitler, wow, first of all i watched the interview with these kids on 20/20 or primetime i dont remember and they didn't know two shits about hitler all they said was he has good ideas. theyre just brainwashed little kids with a distorted view on America, im not saying they don't havr the right to sing this musc its just when your doing it in America i find it ironic because to sit here and acctually know something about hitler and what he wanted to do to the world and lok at 2 little kids that dance around swastakas and knowing how many people died to take that bastard down is fucking sick. i think that if they want to sing this shit go to some filty nazi society in fucking germany and sing it because nobody but them wants to here and the worst part is the goverment allows this. its bad when you fight for "freedom" and not really be granted it.
by me
you fool it was the white race that created that it was some white people dont compare us all to those pathetic nazis that all should die really
by fee (fivagee [at] hotmaill.com)
"i think that if they want to sing this shit go to some filty nazi society in fucking germany and sing it "
john doe, sweet heart. You are far far far more likely to find a 'filthy nazi society' in America or the UK than in Germany. The fact of the matter is that Nazism is such a terrible chapter of German history that it is now hated and despised. The majority of Germans NEVER voted Nazi.
Ignorant people like yourself are just as bad as the NSDAP and its followers, and just as filled with hate.
These girls are just an example of how all our values are instilled in us by our parents, even moral philosophies that are clearly ridiculous. Of course what these girls are saying is terrible, and in this modern day and age such offensive and blatant preaching of racial hatred should not be listened to by rational people.
If you are that upset by them i would advise you to do something productive against them rather that spewing your unwarrented attacks on a country that has not harmed you and was not responsible for the actions of a small select group of Psychopaths.
by Freakadelle
TO HELL WITH THESE GIRLS!!!
i am from germany and i dant believe whats happening! nazi girls in america, who spread racist massages!!! they have fans and produced a video!
as i say: THE WORLD KEEPS GETTING DUMBER!
i am not a human enemy, more a human friend , wehn I say, that people like that should be executed!
by MELBA SCHWINGHAMER (mlschwinghamer [at] yahoo.com)
When you die, and start decomposing ,what color will you be ?
The main thing is love, respect and faith in God.
Jesus or Mohammed or Allah, it's all the same. They all tell us to love one another not because of religion or color.
May God enlighten the minds of people who say and do things that are "unchristian". I have seen people who died because they refused blood transfusion saying it might be the blood of Israelites, people whose care are delayed because they prefer only white doctors or nurses and who suffers the consequences ? THEM... Please, stop fighting, stop the killing. It's our future and children who will suffer. And as I said, when you die and start decomposing, will you stay white?
by Saul Shwartz (heynorton13 [at] hotmail.com)
well...I feel that if this family needs to move to a white freindly place..let them move to Europe..lotsa white folks there and its lame - they would fit right in! leave this country to the natives...
by Saul Shwartz (heynorton13 [at] hotmail.com)
if the white race is so strong.....then why are they afraid of other races mixing with it? wouldnt the white genes be more powerful? i guess that makes them weak....evolution kicks those that are weak in the ass...its part of the natural world...
by maria
damn..i'm from germany as well and i went to the us last year and met like so many guys of my age (15) who think its cool to be german cuz hitler was german!!they asked me :oh u are from germany??? so are you jewish or a nazi???damn some people are so stupid i just can't believe it..i think before they say shit like heil hitler they should know what they're talkin bout.. peace-sign-713031.jpg peace
by LilgothicEmoGirl92
I think that those girls are really stupid, and give the term "Dumb Blondes" a real true meaning. I think that hitler should stick bombs in there asses and blow them up. there THAT stupid :D
by brunett
i think they should burn in hell what is wrong with them i think they are mentaly disabeled and they are giving Germans a bad name
by LilgothicEmoGirl92
Oh, and i forgot to mention that, what kinna name is Lynx and Lamb?? WHO THE FUCK NAMES THERE KIDS THAT?! Damn germans, much love for them but damn... >_> they're jus sum dumb ass bitches
by LilgothicEmoGirl92
OH! and i'm talking about the girls, not germans in general
by Brunettt
OKAY YWO WORDS I FORGOT TO MENTUON sHUT UP OKAY TWO MORE WORDS PUT A SOC IN IT OKAY THAT WAS THREE WORDS
by Brunnet
Hi Bitches its me again i just showed this to my sisister and she is disgusted like me and that girl was rigth what kind of names are lynx and lam AND news flash the Nazis lost so you are siging aboute a loser and his group of losers just like you and listen to your cd like other people have said before me YOU SUCK AT SIGING and like hitler your plans will go up in smoke and william Hang sings better than you
by Person
you people are not good enoughf for me to think about you are a waste of my time and your parents and producers money and you and all your losers should go back from that dirty little whole wich you came from yours you rasists little bitches all the people in the world think your songs are gay you will do the world a big favor if you just disapper
by Flamehead
I wish every nazi in this planet could fall down and die and that everyone would march over their dead limbs as the living ones sqiurmed in the writhing mass of their entrails decacipated by every single person in this planet who has sense.
The father has renounced his racist past and is suing April Gaede for custody. In fact, the ADL is representing him. We need to support the father in this case, for getting custody.
by Miriam Liza
I feel very badly for people who are ignorant and stuck that way. People need to get with the date! Its not the 1940s any more!!! Its not "in" (it never really was) to be a hater! Come on people stop raising your kids to believe what you believe...let them come up with their own thoughts! Why cant we all just get along! -PEACE, Liza
by candus (black_bard [at] web.de)
hello everybody!!

i´m from germany and i absolutly agree with your arguments ... but it´s make me sick that much people all over the world don´t really know something about the modern germany, the present germany!!

some americans told me, that they only know something about germany in present, because the travel to my home-country and want to find out somthing about germany. they told me that many young people in america think that in germany is also a country with an nazi-government. they really don´t know that germany is a democratic country for 60 years ago!! it make me really sick to hear something...

i think nobody should make results about something, when he don´t really know something about. it´s like the subgroup of the skinheads: most people think, that skinheads are also nazis, but thats utter rubbish!! only a little group of the skinheads are nazis. the most skins are non-political! if you ask me, naziskins are completly idiots, because the roots of the skinheads are in jamiaka!! (if you want to read more about the skinheads, look at wikipedia)

greetz

candus
by johnny (kingston [at] h4to.com)
fuck hitler, i'm not from germany but hitler, his buddies and the nazi's from today give germans a really bad name. hitler was a bad educated moron, who thought he was better than the jewish people. In other words, he was a complete retard. So are these girls. i hope they read this topic, and i also hope they finally understand wtf hitler and co. did to a lot of people. fuck these girls. from the outside they are hot, but from the inside they are ugly like crap. i'm happy this topic was made and a lot of people could say that hitler was a freak. he was not worth to be a german
by Anderz
Land of the free home of the brave - free - well not anymore are you - i think G bush took away most of the freedom of speech or some of you will censor yourself - you may not like them but everyone should be able to havea belief even if it isnt a good one. Communism is a proven failure - some people still believe in it though - eastern europewill have them for years to come - same as nazi's - it wasnt so long ago when they were THE big thing in the world. We all know what they stood for was wrong and for people to believe in it these days is almost laughable but its not funny. that still doesnt mean people shouldnt be allowed to say what they feel.
political correctness is ruining my country and religious conservitism is ruining yours.

by Will (generalfish2 [at] hotmail.com)
This is to GrarettMs article Think Before You Speak. Hmmm yes I see your point but I think it would be better if everyone was proud of their race rather than no one being proud of it ...These firls are nasty little shits I think but hopefully one day they well see the light and maybe they'l even join a civil rights group....
by Amelia
this is disgusting racist ideas! they help only white people hurt by Hurricane Katrina?!?! They are the kind of people who start wars AND KILL OFF 10 MILLION PEOPLE. *ahem* Hitler?!? gross
by Lucy
these girls may look pretty but inside they r ugly skanks!

racism is an ugly stupid thing that shouldnt occur and people that didn't stop the Nazi's regret they didn't stop hitler killing all those jews!

Hitler's men told jews they were going to be deloused and washed in a bath house. The Jews took their belongings and visited the "bath houses". Either way the Jews were doomed. Two lines were formed. Line one was for jews that were able to work and line two for the sick, elderly and young children. Line one Jews were slowly and painfully worked to death and Line two Jews were Gased.
The "bath houses" even looked like their names. Showers and water pipes surrounded the room which fitted 2000 people at once. The doors would be sealed and the Jews struggled and choked on the gas. This painful process took between 3-15mins.
The guards would next cook the bodies in an oven, or if this did not work, then they would be set alight in a pit! Ash would be left. Then guards would send fake letters and emails to alive relatives telling them to visit the bath houses!

AND DESPITE THIS EVIL AND DISGUSTING PROCESS, THESE GIRLS STILL SUPPORT HITLER! HE WAS A DISGRACE AND LAMB AND LYNX'S MOTHER SUPPORTS THEM AND TAUGHT THEM TO HATE BLACK PEOPLE!

WE ARE ALL PEOPLE EXCEPT THESE DEVILS THAT CAME STRATE FROM HELL AND SHOULD DIE THERE!
by Blessing (simone_green_04 [at] hotmail.com)
Responding to:
Honestly, why should anyone be proud of what colour skin they have?

Because we (people of African descent) have been conditioned through the institution of slavery and racism to hate ourselves. If one hates one's self one will in turn hate any other human who resembles one's self. Does black on black crime ring a bell?

What many people fail to realize is the PSYCHOLOGICAL effects of racism. Americans of African descent are no longer being burned and lynched but are still being conditioned mentally. So are other races. BET is NOT a proper representation of people of colour, and children of ANY race who do not have proper guidance will loook at BET and think that that is black culture and that is how all black people act all the time. Including the black children who watch.

I'm 19 and will soon be attending the Toronto Film School. I feel that it is my DUTY as a BLACK WOMAN of mixed African and European descent(I do not consider myself to be white or acknowledge my European blood in any way because the RAPE and exploitation of African slave women was devastating and breaks my heart to even think about it. But I have no interest in a seperate black society or anything of that nature.) to make films that speak the truth and tell an ACCURATE history about people of African descent. The great, the good, the bad, the ugly, and the horrifying.

I could go on for days BUT I WON'T...there are too many factors involved. It is complicated and requires people to dispell all the LIES they were taught they think are true.

Education is a partial answer but won't do much considering America and Canada's history were written by people of European descent. So in every way it only glorifies dead white men and their contributions. Martin Luther King Jr. and Harriet Tubman are pretty much the only people spoken about that's nice but there is a plethora of people who did great things that aren't talked about. The contributions that other races, of non-European descent, are limited if at all included. Education will only be effective when each race, country, and religion can equally contribute to the education system and the country's history. The truths should also not be altered or removed just because people are offended or uncomfortable with the facts.

Just remeber that:
1. Blonde hair and blue eyes are RECESSIVE genes, brown hair and brown eyes are DOMINANT genes.
2. Race and physical features of people of different races has to do with the human body adapting to thousands or millions of years of a specific type of environment. Eg. Inuit people (Eskimos) have an extra layer of fat becuase their environment is ALWAYS cold.
3. Many people use religion as a tool of racial and gender oppression.
4. THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS REVERSE RACISM! THERE IS ONLY RACISM!
5. Hatred is taught. So travel the world (or a diverse neighbourhood if yours isn't) EXPERIENCE is one of the best teachers we have.

If Lamb and Lynx never see the error of their ways they will remain in their own kind of slavery and they will never truly be free.

Bob Marley said "Emancipate yourself from mental slavery." Redemption Song

Love is my religion.
Peace and ONE LOVE
Blessing




by Smiley
I think that that the way these parents or I should say mother is just disgusting & WRONG!! We live in a world full of different races so you guys need to deal with it & GROW THE F**K UP!!! Look around you, there's not only white people out there!!! YOU GUYS ARE SICK!!!
by Alicia
When you say that you should just not listen to that music, you are basically saying 'Hey, if you don't like air pollution, then stop breathing.' And I believe that diversity consists of people of all races and colors being together harmoniously.
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