Opinion....The Road Map is Getting Very Bumpy.....

Then how come from 48 to 67, when there was not one single Jew living in the West Bank, the Arabs still wanted to destroy Israel. Peace doesn't exist, because the Arabs think by butchering Israeli woman and children will destroy Israel. Its Israel's existence which the Arabs cant accept.

A poll by Global Attitudes Project, provided interesting findings. 80% of Palestinians, as well as large majorities in other Arab countries polled (ranging from 65% in Lebanon to 90% in Saudi Arabia, to 82 percent in Syria) agree with this statement: THE RIGHTS AND NEEDS OF THE PALESTINIAN PEOPLE CANNOT BE TAKEN CARE OF AS LONG AS THE STATE OF ISRAEL EXISTS". SO THE VAST MAJORITY OF THE ARAB WORLD BELIEVES THAT THE ONLY REAL SOLUTION IS FOR ISRAEL TO CEASE TO EXIST.

Joe everything you said may be or was true, But Many Arab Nations Including Egypt, Jordan and Saudi Arabia are prepared to except Israel if the Palestinian People receive their own Palestinian State.
If we try to go too far into the past we get to the part, where before 1947 there was no Israel, then we we go to the mid 1800 when there were fewer then 6000 Jewish people were living in what is now Israel, West Bank and Gaza. Even though the Area that is in question today was under the Ottoman Empire back then the Ancestors of the Palestinians were living there at that time, Both Christians and Muslim, Where as the Ancestors of the Jewish population came from Russia, Germany and other European Nations.
So it is better not to go back to the Past and do the Right thing for Today and a Peaceful Future. The 5,000,000 or so Israelis can have Israel on 78% and the millions of Palestinian can have there State on West Bank and Gaza which is 22% of the Area in Question. If the Average Palestinian had this with no strings attached I do not believe they would continue to Support the So called terrorist Groups. The only reason they support these groups now is because they have no where to turn. They watch their land being confiscated, their homes demosished, their fruit trees uprooted. Where can they turn to???

I see no problem with a two state solution.
If the Road Map was fair, I see no problem.
Why do some people disagree?

I have said more then once that I am not anti-Israeli or anti-semitic, or anti -Palestinian....
Therefore I am for Recognizing Israels Right to exist..
But I do not agree with all of the Israelis action towards the Palestinian People..
And along with many I am for a Palestinian State...It is not as if I am just one Person for a Palestinian State and the entire rest of the World is against it...
Therefore the so called (The Road Map)

Somethings are just wrong, one more example...

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Disabled Israeli Palestinian's Home Demolished By Bulldozers In Israel (english)
ICAHD (Israel) 9:07pm Mon Aug 11 '03

If I am one-sided why am I for the State of Israel existing at its pre 1967 Borders, and why am I for their superior Military guarding and controlling that border, and why am I against the right of return for the Palestinian Refugees into this pre 1967 border???
Read the above article...I am for Israel living in Peace in its pre 1967 borders and the Palestinians having a State of their own where they can live in Peace in the whole of the West Bank and Gaza....

""Opinion....The Road Map is Getting Very Bumpy.....
by ANGEL Thursday June 12, 2003 at 01:47 AM""(not the real ANGEL, was posted by a Coward who is afraid to use his/her handle or How sad that he/she is mentally deficient and can not compose his/her rebuttal to a posting.)

Correction:

To end all atrocities on both sides we need that Palestinian State Eventually (Wonderful Road Map) provided the Palestinians can find at least 10 or 20 of them who care more about a state than about killing Ira or Moshe.

Who is killing whom, anyway, to find out notice that when Palestinians successfully murder innocent civilians they brag about it, when Israelis kill innocent people they are regretful.

To end the resistance to the Occupation you have to end the Occupation that allows for the resistance….

Jordan is 80% of old Palestine, the remaining 20% is divided up between Israel and the Palestinians, and with each war the Palestinians are losing more land, so you would think Palestinians would learn that peace is a solution and war is not, but they appear to be very very thick headed!

For there to be Peace there must be a way of teaching the Palestinian People not to be crazed idiots.
We need a Palestinian State with Reasonable Borders, unless the Palestinians continue to worship Hamas murderers, then they deserve nothing but a one way ticket to Jordan, Syria or Lebanon. NOW, If the Road Map that is backed by the U.S., U.N., E.U., and Russia is to work...
Send in a Joint, U.S., U.N. Peace Keeping Force to the West Bank and Gaza for the sole purpose of trying to avoid conflicts between the Palestinian and the Settlers..
SETTING THE BORDERS BACK TO 1967 IS AN ABSURD SUGGESTION, WHAT COUNTRIES ON THIS PLANET EVER GET MADE TO GIVE BACK LAND THEY WON IN A DEFENSIVE WAR 36 YEARS EARLIER???
In return the Palestinian Refugees, who are still refugees because they are such horrible people that Jordan, Egypt, Syria, Lebanon, Iran, Iraq and Israel ALL DON'T WANT THEM!
One complaint that Israel has is that the Right of Return will result in two Palestinian States, which is true, and that's why it is a ridiculous thing to suggest. Also, since Jews don't get a Right of Return to Arab Countries that took their land, why would Jews be asked to do it, especially after all the wars against the Jews?
(The Right of Return is almost impossible any way because the land and homes they lost are now built up with Jewish homes businesses etc…)
The Refugees can be helped to settle somewhere in the New Palestinian State..
The Settlements are now part of Palestine...
If the some 300,000 Israeli Settlers living in Palestine do not like living there, they can move to Israel...
If the 1,000,000 or so Palestinians who now live in Israel do not like living in Israel, they can move to Palestine...
If 1,000,000 or so Palestinians can live in Israel, then some 300,000 Israeli Settlers can live in Palestine if they choose to stay...
If this solution were implemented there is a good chance the Palestinian Terrorists who think it is impressive to murder innocent Jewish people would probably keep right on attacking, since they are Rabid Lunatics, but at least maybe some nice Palestinians might finally speak out against them.

Israel: We have to confiscate Palestinian Land and demolish Palestinian Homes because we have given these people tons of chances to make an agreement but the Palestinains are the dumbest people on Earth.
Palestine: We have to defend ourselves because we are too stupid to realize that Israel isn't going to disappear, and attacking Israel does not help us. Even dogs and cats learn not to do things that hurt them, so why do Palestinians insist on attacking Israel when they know all it will do is prevent Israel from being able to trust them with Land Control?????

You and I know that the hamsters who will not turn out the lights are like the Palestinians who might not wish that you would see then if the kangaroos would simply put the lampshade over the drunken guy's head then the borders would be more accurate.

Who is Yasser Arafat and why is he such a Useless Idiot?
CLICK HERE > http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/arafat.html

If the Palestinians have so much history, how come there was no Country called Palestine, there is no Palestinian language, the Palestinian culture is no different than Arabs in nearby countries, there is no past Palestinian government, etc.?????
CLICK HERE > http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/palestinians.html

Since it is a fact that Arabs had full control of Palestinian Land from 1948 to 1967, why are the Palestinians still refugees? Why did Arabs control Palestinian Land but just keep making war on Israel, lose the wars, and then still call these Arabs "refugees?" Haven't all refugees on earth other than Palestinians gotten on with their lives? Why did these people spend more time making wars than even forming a simple Government when they had full control of themselves and had no reason not to do so???
CLICK HERE > http://www.yahoodi.com/peace/refugees.html

It's under your nose, here in the US and in South Africa and other democratic countries!

The best solution is the ONE-STATE Solution of Palestine-Israel with COMPLETELY equal rights for all regardless of religion, ethnicity, race or gender.

There would be no more racist Jewish state... boo hoo. In its place would be a modern secular democracy with all the people including all the Palestinian refugees having competely equal rights, liberty and justice.

It's doable, folks. It happened here in the US when after the Civil War we remained one country, and then the Civil Rights Movement ended segregation-- all our citizens have equal rights under the law. That's the way it is in a TRUE democracy.

Same with South Africa. But first we must start with a Truth and Conciliation Commission, just like South Africa did to address the unjust way in which the Zionist State of Israel was created. Then we can proceed to achieve a true democracy, including for all the Palestinian refugees who have the inalienable right to return to their ancestral homeland of Palestine-Israel, according to UN Resolutions, International Law and world opinion.

Then and only then will there be peace in that region, which affects the rest of the world hugely.

I'm kind of confused. Could you explain how Israel is a racist country? Is it because they formed a state after the United Nations tried offering a two state solution several times before 1948? Is it because Israel has an actual government, economy, heritage, culture and an actual freaking country? Is that what makes Israel racist? Palestine has none of those things because it does not exist and never has. Palestine has no culture or heritage. The reason these people have been submitted to refugee camps for so many years is because no Arab country wants them either. Why not create a Palestinian state in Jordan? That's where 80% of the land came from anyway. Leave Israel to the Israelis who live there and start up a new state in Jordan. If you could get back to me how Israel is racist I'd love to hear your arguments.

Israel is based on ethnoic cleansing.

I didn't know that. Would you mind expanding further?