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Israel is fighting for its life.
It needs all the help it can get
...from any source.

Support more funds for Israel's defense.

You will be doinf a worthwhile deed.

Ignore the traditional Jew-haters who aim to harm Jews in any way they can.

--"Israel is fighting for its life."

Israel is fighting to steal what little the Palestinians have left. All the Arab states offered Israel an outstretched hand of peace and normal relations if only Israel would get out of the Occupied Territories and leave the remaining 22% of land to the Palestinians. Israel rejected this and called the peace offer "the destruction of Israel." They always seem to react to even peace offers in hysterical tones of "the destruction of Israel" or "the destruction of the Jewish people" or "Israel is fighting for its life," etc. In the meantime, they use our weapons (which we give to them free of charge) to make sure that Palestine is literally destroyed and much of the Palestinian population (as well as Lebanese) is slaughtered.

Israel is not some sort of good cause that we should continue to lavish money upon. Israelis are rich and can afford to bring in foreign workers from as far away as Thailand (not to mention the women who are tricked into going there only to be forced into prostitution in Tel Aviv brothels, see: http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/07/136661.php ).

We are not protecting Israel's existence, but paying for its ability to expand its borders -- borders which have never been declared by Israel, lest they be accused of stepping outside of them onto someone else's lands.

"if only Israel would get out of the Occupied Territories and leave the remaining 22% of land to the Palestinians."

Truth be told, the Arab states wanted Israel to roll back to the 1967 borders. If I were them, I wouldn't accept that either.

--"Truth be told, the Arab states wanted Israel to roll back to the 1967 borders. If I were them, I wouldn't accept that either."

This is supporting aggression and expansionism. Israel attacked its neighbors in 1967 in order to expand its borders and grab more land. In addition to the 750,000 Palestinians driven out in 1948, 300,000 more were kicked out in 1967. UN Resolution 242, orders the Israelis out of the territories because they were acquired by force.

If such a precedent is supported (accepting conquest and theft of land from its rightful owners), what chaos would this world sink in to?

Israelis are hypocrites. They expect everyone to accept their invasions and land grabs but if this were done against Israel...well you can just imagine the hysterical response that would ensue.

"Israel attacked its neighbors in 1967 in order to expand its borders and grab more land."

They attacked because they were going to be attacked. Someone named "facts" already established this several months ago. The person he was debating tucked tail and ran. If someone still wants to believe that Israel had plans to attack anyway, I put them on the same shelf with the "Bush knew" and "there were explosives set in the WTC" crowd.

The land belongs to whoever can conquer and defend it. If Israel can defend the land they currently occupy, they get to keep it. If the Palestinians can take it away, then it is theirs. If China comes in and conquers and defends the land, it's theirs.

If, arabs say, they want to roll back Israeli land holdings to pre 1967 stats. Then the christians and jews should demand that ilsam roll back to pre- mohammed times, which means, Arabs owned nothing in the middle east. That sounds more fesable.

It's absurd for one side to ask for consessions, yet offer none themselves. Typical muslims, they do the same thing in India. Even though they stole thousands of holy sites in india, the want one back (kasmir) which they stole in the first place.

--"The land belongs to whoever can conquer and defend it. If Israel can defend the land they currently occupy, they get to keep it."

In other words, aggression which the Nazis used for territorial expansion is now an accepted Zionist tactic.

I don't know if anyone ever "duck-tailed and ran." I do know that Zionists are incessant and if someone were to get tired of endlessly debating them, I could hardly blame them. The fact is, Israel placed troops on the border with Israel in 1967 and then Nasser responded by doing the same. Israel then used this as well as a claim that a single Egyptian ship was "blockading" poor little Israel as an excuse to launch its pre-planned war designed to gain more territory.

And, once again, Muslim, Christian, and Jewish Palestinians are the indigenous people of that land. Most of the Jewish population there converted to Christianity or Islam while a small segment remained Jewish. European Jewry have no indigenous claims except that which they invented for political reasons.

If Noam Chomsky, Rashid Khalidi, and Howard Zinn would sign a petition that would cut ALL FOREIGN Aid and not a petition that singles out just one leaches?

your saying natzi tactics are a zionist tatic?
It's a muslim tatic:

Arab leaders and media outlets have long been addicted to comparing Israel to the Nazi regime, while at the same time demeaning the extent of the Holocaust. This obsession with defaming and antagonizing the Jewish people and state was on full display in recent months and reached a crescendo or rather nadir the day before Pope John Paul II visited the Temple Mount during his Holy Land pilgrimage. The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem, Sheikh Ekrima Sabri, just hours before hosting the Pope, gave a series of press interviews, first telling the AP: "The figure of 6 million Jews killed during the Holocaust is exaggerated and is used by the Israelis to gain international support. It’s not my problem. Muslims didn’t do anything on this issue. It’s the doing of Hitler who hated the Jews," asserted the acid-tongued Mufti a figure appointed by Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat. "Six million? It was a lot less," Sabri repeated for an Italian newspaper. "It’s not my fault if Hitler hated the Jews. Anyway, they hate them just about everywhere." The Mufti finished the day with Reuters, charging, "We denounce all massacres, but I don’t see why a certain massacre should be used for political gain and blackmail." However, as a matter of record, there was a well-documented, thriving relationship between the Arab/Muslim world and Nazi Germany, with perhaps the most significant figure linking Hitler to the Middle East being none other Sabri’s very own predecessor, Grand Mufti of Jerusalem Haj Amin el-Husseini. Here is a brief review of that dark, overlooked chapter in history.

THE FÜHRER'S MUFTI
After World War I, the Great Powers of Europe jockeyed for influence in the Middle East’s oil fields and trade routes, with France and Britain holding mandates throughout most of the region. In the 1930s, the fascist regimes that arose in Italy and Germany sought greater stakes in the area, and began courting Arab leaders to revolt against their British and French custodians. Among their many willing accomplices was Jerusalem Mufti Haj Amin el-Husseini, who fled Palestine after agitating against the British during the Arab Revolt of 1936-39. He found refuge in Iraq another of Her Majesty’s mandates where he again topped the British most wanted list after helping pull the strings behind the Iraqi coup of 1941. The revolt in Baghdad was orchestrated by Hitler as part of a strategy to squeeze the region between the pincers of Rommel’s troops in North Africa, German forces in the Caucuses and pro-Nazi forces in Iraq. However, in June 1941 British troops put down the rebellion and the Mufti escaped via Tehran to Italy and eventually to Berlin.

Once in Berlin, the Mufti received an enthusiastic reception by the "Islamische Zentralinstitut" and the whole Islamic community of Germany, which welcomed him as the "Führer of the Arabic world." In an introductory speech, he called the Jews the "most fierce enemies of the Muslims" and an "ever corruptive element" in the world. Husseini soon became an honored guest of the Nazi leadership and met on several occasions with Hitler. He personally lobbied the Führer against the plan to let Jews leave Hungary, fearing they would immigrate to Palestine. He also strongly intervened when Adolf Eichman tried to cut a deal with the British government to exchange German POWs for 5000 Jewish children who also could have fled to Palestine. The Mufti’s protests with the SS were successful, as the children were sent to death camps in Poland instead. One German officer noted in his journals that the Mufti would liked to have seen the Jews "preferably all killed." On a visit to Auschwitz, he reportedly admonished the guards running the gas chambers to work more diligently. Throughout the war, he appeared regularly on German radio broadcasts to the Middle East, preaching his pro-Nazi, anti-Semitic message to the Arab masses back home.

To show gratitude towards his hosts, in 1943 the Mufti travelled several times to Bosnia, where on orders of the SS he recruited the notorious "Hanjar troopers," a special Bosnian Waffen SS company which slaughtered 90% of Bosnia’s Jews and burned countless Serbian churches and villages. These Bosnian Muslim recruits rapidly found favor with SS chief Heinrich Himmler, who established a special Mullah Military school in Dresden.

The only condition the Mufti set for his help was that after Hitler won the war, the entire Jewish population in Palestine should be liquidated. After the war, Husseini fled to Switzerland and from there escaped via France to Cairo, were he was warmly received. The Mufti used funds received earlier from the Hilter regime to finance the Nazi-inspired Arab Liberation Army that terrorized Jews in Palestine.

THE ARAB EMBRACE OF NAZISM
Husseini represents the prevalent pro-Nazi posture among the Arab/Muslim world before, during and even after the Holocaust. The Nazi-Arab connection existed even when Adolf Hitler first seized power in Germany in 1933. News of the Nazi takeover was welcomed by the Arab masses with great enthusiasm, as the first congratulatory telegrams Hitler received upon being appointed Chancellor came from the German Consul in Jerusalem, followed by those from several Arab capitals. Soon afterwards, parties that imitated the National Socialists were founded in many Arab lands, like the "Hisb-el-qaumi-el-suri" (PPS) or Social Nationalist Party in Syria. Its leader, Anton Sa’ada, styled himself the Führer of the Syrian nation, and Hitler became known as "Abu Ali" (In Egypt his name was "Muhammed Haidar"). The banner of the PPS displayed the swastika on a black-white background. Later, a Lebanese branch of the PPS which still receives its orders from Damascus was involved in the assassination of Lebanese President Pierre Gemayel.

The most influential party that emulated the Nazis was "Young Egypt," which was founded in October 1933. They had storm troopers, torch processions, and literal translations of Nazi slogans like "One folk, One party, One leader." Nazi anti-Semitism was replicated, with calls to boycott Jewish businesses and physical attacks on Jews. Britain had a bitter experience with this pro-German mood in Egypt, when the official Egyptian government failed to declare war on the Wehrmacht as German troops were about to conquer Alexandria.

After the war, a member of Young Egypt named Gamal Abdul Nasser was among the officers who led the July 1952 revolution in Egypt. Their first act following in Hitler’s footsteps was to outlaw all other parties. Nasser’s Egypt became a safe haven for Nazi war criminals, among them the SS General in charge of the murder of Ukrainian Jewry; he became Nasser’s bodyguard and close comrade. Alois Brunner, another senior Nazi war criminal, found shelter in Damascus, where he served for many years as senior adviser to the Syrian general staff and still resides today.

Sami al-Joundi, one of the founders of the ruling Syrian Ba’ath Party, recalls: "We were racists. We admired the Nazis. We were immersed in reading Nazi literature and books... We were the first who thought of a translation of Mein Kampf. Anyone who lived in Damascus at that time was witness to the Arab inclination toward Nazism."

These leanings never completely ceased. Hitler’s Mein Kampf currently ranks sixth on the best-seller list among Palestinian Arabs. Luis Al-Haj, translator of the Arabic edition, writes glowingly in the preface about how Hitler’s "ideology" and his "theories of nationalism, dictatorship and race are advancing especially within our Arabic States." When Palestinian police first greeted Arafat in the self-rule areas, they offered the infamous Nazi salute - the right arm raised straight and upward.

The PLO and notably Arafat himself do not make a secret of their source of inspiration. The Grand Mufti el-Husseini is venerated as a hero by the PLO. It should be noted, that the PLO’s top figure in east Jerusalem today, Faisal Husseini, is the grandson to the Führer’s Mufti. Arafat also considers the Grand Mufti a respected educator and leader, and in 1985 declared it an honor to follow in his footsteps. Little wonder. In 1951, a close relative of the Mufti named Rahman Abdul Rauf el-Qudwa el-Husseini matriculated to the University of Cairo. The student decided to conceal his true identity and enlisted as "Yasser Arafat."

"The fact is, Israel placed troops on the border with Israel in 1967 and then Nasser responded by doing the same. Israel then used this as well as a claim that a single Egyptian ship was "blockading" poor little Israel as an excuse to launch its pre-planned war designed to gain more territory."

Dream on. Believe what you want.

>>>The land belongs to whoever can conquer and defend it. If Israel can defend the land they currently occupy, they get to keep it.<<<

You missed the next part.

>>>If the Palestinians can take it away, then it is theirs. If China comes in and conquers and defends the land, it's theirs.<<<

To which you replied:

>>In other words, aggression which the Nazis used for territorial expansion is now an accepted Zionist tactic.<<

I don't care who you apply the tactic to. It's irrelevant to me. You can apply it to the Palestinians if you want. Apply it to Romanians if that floats your boat. If the Palestinians were to conquer every inch of land the world now commonly refers to as the country of Israel, it's there as long as they can defend it. Is that too hard to grasp?

Nope, not hard to grasp at all, this is why for every self exploding muslim/pali, isreal takes more land, it's a good stratagy actualy.

but natzi ism is embraced by islam, not the zionist jews, as most muslim/arabs call them. As shown by my previous post, if you care to read it more carefully

Very good point about the Nazi/Islam connection.

Besides that, ain't one of these doofs been able to argue with this simple little fact: If your "people" can conquer and defend the land, then it belongs to your "people". For the word "people", insert Israel, Palestinians, Russians, Americans, Somoans, Kenyans, Icelanders, Peruvians, or whoever else you want. Ergo, if the Palestinians want the land, they should fight for it. Got no problem with that. Turn Israel and the Palestinians loose, let em fight it out, winner take all.

Islam embraces Nazism so much that the Mufti of Mecca proclaimed a Jihad against Hitler in 41 .....

Stop the misinformation.

Read at http://www.cactus48.com

I NEVER give dis-information, I deal with history and facts, it's islam that like to try re-write history, and pass dis-information.

it's not a fact that all of Islam enbraced Nazism. The Mufti of Mecca called a Jihad on Hitler in 41.

Here's your fact, .................,

"If your "people" can conquer and defend the land, then it belongs to your "people". For the word "people", insert Israel, Palestinians, Russians, Americans, Somoans, Kenyans, Icelanders, Peruvians, or whoever else you want. Ergo, if the Palestinians want the land, they should fight for it. Got no problem with that. Turn Israel and the Palestinians loose, let em fight it out, winner take all."

You dodge the hell outta confronting me, I've noticed. Good move. My statement above bitchslaps your sorry ass right back over the border. You can't argue against it. You can't deny it. You can't do anything with it. Except run from it. Only semi-smart thing you've ever done in your life.