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LEE SIU HIN-Report from March 25 Trip to Egypt Organize Gaza Medical Humanitarian Project
Lee Siu Hin-The story of China's Pandas Aid supporting the people of Gaza--Report from Our Fourth Trip to Egypt for Organize Medical Humanitarian Mission to Gaza, Egypt March 30-April 5, 2025
Lee Siu Hin-The story of China's Pandas Aid supporting the people of Gaza
Report from Our Fourth Trip to Egypt for Organize Medical Humanitarian Mission to Gaza, Egypt March 30-April 5, 2025
Lee Siu Hin 李小轩
Panda Aid
China-US Solidarity Network
Panda Aid: www.PandaAid.org
Gaza Watch www.GazaWatch.net
April 14th, 2025
Chinese: http://www.immigrantsolidarity.org/PandaAid/March2025Report-CHN.html
English: http://www.immigrantsolidarity.org/PandaAid/March2025Report-ENG.html
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Solidarity greetings! I am Lee Siu Hin from China Panda Aid. Since October 2023, we have been working with the Palestinian Doctors Association in Europe PalMed, headquartered in Paris, France, to help them purchase medical supplies in China and send them to Gaza. The supplies were ready in about a month. Because the Israeli military cut off all humanitarian aid channels to Gaza, we were unable to transport the supplies from Shenzhen, China to Cairo, Egypt, and then to Gaza.
We originally planned to go to Cairo, Egypt with the medical supplies in January 2025 to hold an event to witness the delivery of relief supplies from China to Gaza, but we had been waiting for more than three months without any progress. In March 2025, Israel tore up the ceasefire agreement and once again bloodbathed Gaza. Facing a dire challenge, we decided to organize an emergency working trip to Egypt at the end of March to learn about the latest status of medical and humanitarian support work in Gaza.
3/30/25 Shanghai-Cairo
11/30 Sunday: Our Panda Aid team from Shanghai, China to Cairo, the capital of Egypt; our main task was to deal with the situation in which Israel, which is currently supported by U$ tore up the Gaza ceasefire agreement in early March and resumed the massacre and blockade of Gaza. The Gaza border, which was reopened after the ceasefire agreement reached with the Hamas resistance forces in mid-January, was once again completely cut off by the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) in just a few weeks.
The medical supplies we purchased in cooperation with the European Palestinian Doctors Association still cannot be shipped to Gaza from China. We need to go to Cairo, the transit point for supplies, to understand the latest situation. This was almost the time, on the night of March 23 when the massacre of 15 Gaza emergency convoy composed of medical personnel and humanitarian workers was attacked by Israeli artillery fire in the southern city of Rafah of the Gaza Strip, and disappeared along with the vehicle they were riding in. At the end of March, the bodies of 15 victims, along with the ambulance that was smashed by Israel, were found in a mass grave nearby. The Israeli authorities had been maliciously concealing the truth until the video of the attack was found on the victim's mobile phone. When it was made public, they admitted to "mistake" on April 6th.
Our humanitarian trip to Egypt for medical supplies in Gaza was mainly aimed at the current situation where Israel, supported by the United States, tore up the ceasefire agreement in Gaza in early March and resumed the massacre and blockade of Gaza without any remorse. As a result, our 307 boxes and 4.3 tons of medical supplies we purchased in cooperation with the European Palestinian Doctors Association are still waiting in the Chinese warehouse and have not been able to be shipped to Gaza for several months. Therefore, it is necessary to go to Cairo, the transit point for supplies, to understand the latest situation and what to do in the future.
Photo: Medical supplies waiting to be shipped to Gaza in a warehouse in Shenzhen (March 2025)
With uncertainty in mind, 11.5-hour flight from Shanghai Pudong to Cairo, Egypt then immediately started our work, bringing China's love to Gaza in the face of brutal massacres and humanitarian crises.
Photo: March 30 Shanghai-Cairo, EgyptAir is about to arrive in Cairo, Egypt, passing the Pyramids
3/30/25 MEDICS Worldwide
On the first day after arriving in Cairo early in the morning, we immediately went to New Cairo city, around 60 kilometers (36 miles) east of Cairo, at noon to visit and exchange ideas with the logistics center of MEDICS Worldwide (MWW), a humanitarian organization supporting Gaza, headquartered in Istanbul, Turkey.
This is our third visit to their logistics center in a year. MWW is a global humanitarian support organization mainly established by Palestinian doctors overseas. Its projects include war-torn Syria, Sudan and Palestine.
Photo: Panoramic view of MWW warehouse
They do not donate supplies directly, but mainly help different humanitarian organizations or governments around the world to raise donations through crowdfunding, and help them implement the logistics of medical humanitarian projects in Gaza according to the projects, including: building/repairing damaged hospitals, purchasing/transporting medical supplies, using Chinese-made Wuling and other brand vans and buses converting them into ambulances, mobile hospitals (including gynecology and renal hemodialysis mobile hospitals) and other medical projects in Egypt, sent to Gaza.
Photo: Mobile hospital bus: Gynecology, ready to be transported to Gaza
Photo: Mobile hospital bus: Hemodialysis equipment from the renal department, donated by an Australian charity, ready to be shipped to Gaza
Photo: Ambulances modified from Chinese-made Wuling vans in Egypt are ready to be shipped to Gaza. This is a donation project crowdfunded by local charity groups in Indonesia, Malaysia and other countries.
This exchange at MWW gave us a lot of new ideas. Due to the Israeli deadly blockade of Gaza, their original channel for sending supplies from Cairo, Egypt to Gaza was completely cut off, causing great difficulties. Therefore, they also had to re-plan a new strategy.
According to Dr. Mohamed Alfadul, head of MWW Cairo, MWW has been operating projects in Gaza for many years and has good channels for cooperation with all parties, especially the strategic cooperation relationship with the Gaza health department. They can find a lot of needed supplies in Gaza, especially in the commercial warehouses in Gaza, where there are still many channels for purchasing the remaining stocks of pre-war supplies.
Their latest plan: temporarily abandon of sending supplies to Gaza from outside, because it is not realistic, and instead purchase supplies from within Gaza to implement medical humanitarian projects faster and better.
The latest proposals range from US$10,000 to US$1 million, which can be chosen by the individual budgets, aid projects including: donating medicines, treatment or building/repairing damaged hospitals, etc in Gaza.
This plan is more mature and practical than the first time we met with them last year, and we are very interest to work with them.
3/31/25 Eid Palestinian Dinner celebration in Cairo
Every year around March, it is the most important and sacred month of fasting in Islam—the Ramadan. During the whole month from sunrise to sunset, people do not eat or drink, with work and business activities will be stop until the sun sets. Ramadan ends on the night when the first moon rises above the ground, which is called Eid al-Fitr, which is similar to the Chinese New Year and Muslum countries will celebrates it.
The night of Eid al-Fitr and the time of moonrise that officially ends Ramadan are different in every place. Some places have it on March 30th, others on March 31st. The time varies from 6pm to 6:15pm.
Eid al-Fitr in Cairo was originally scheduled for March 30, but was changed to March 31 at the last minute.
In particular, during the Egyptian Eid al-Fitr period from March 30 to April 1, we’re honored to invited by Palestinians in Cairo to visit several Palestinian restaurants in Cairo to taste authentic Gazan food. Most of these restaurants were popular spots in Gaza before the war. After being destroyed by IOF, the owner had no choice but to move to Cairo and reopen. They told us their stories from Gaza to Cairo, and friendship between the Chinese and Palestinian people!
Photos: Dinner at Gaza Restaurant in Cairo and their specialties
Photo: There are many products in Egypt that support Palestine, such as this bottle of drinking water with the Egyptian and Palestinian flags printed on it.
4/1/25 Interview with Mr. Hazem Hayek at ISS Cairo
Tuesday, April 1: we travel to Nasr City, about 30 kilometers (18 miles) east of Cairo, to visit Mr. Hazem Hayek from Gaza, the volunteer of Insan Sebil Slam (ISS), an organization of Palestinian refugees from Gaza that is based in Istanbul, Turkey, and is located in Cairo, Egypt.
Photo: Interview with Mr. Hazem Hayek, volunteer of ISS Cairo, Egypt
He is a 23-year-old veterinarian from Gaza. It has been a year since he came to Cairo from Gaza. All his family members are still in Gaza. He is a ISS volunteer in Cairo. Compared with other Gaza refugees stranded in Cairo, he is relatively lucky. He has a stable job, ccurrently works at a horse training ground in Cairo and helps organize the transportation of supplies to Gaza in his spare time.
Photo: Interview with Mr. Hazem Hayek, volunteer of ISS Cairo, Egypt, using mobile phone translation software to communicate between Arabic, English and Chinese
He is responsible for coordinating the organization's relations with Egypt and overseeing the flow of aid into Gaza. This includes sharing their food and financial aid efforts in Gaza on the Instagram app. They also provide emergency medical assistance to patients in Gaza through caring people. Currently, everyone can only wait because the border crossing is closed by IOF. Whether it is food, water, medical equipment or economic aid, supplies can only be delivered to Gaza once the crossings they rely on are reopened.
They are all volunteer-based, and when there is a project that needs work, they recruit additional volunteers in Gaza to work.
Mr. Hayek receives donated goods or purchases supplies in Egypt, stores them at the Egyptian Red Crescent's warehouse, and ensures that the supplies arrive at the Rafah border crossing.
Due to transit conditions and transportation deadlines, most of the aid supplies are canned or long-lasting foods. Mr. Hayek received it and made sure it was safe, contacted the Egyptian Red Crescent to book a delivery and coordinate a truck to deliver the supplies.
They currently have a project to establish a water supply stations for Gaza residents, which requires solar panels and water pumps. Although the equipment is simple and can be obtained from Cairo, Egypt, it is very difficult to obtain licenses to import some of this equipment from Egypt to Gaza, as they are often rejected by the Israeli side because the Israeli authorities are "worried" that the equipment can be used for other purposes, so they would rather buy existing equipment in Gaza and build it to extract water.
Mr. Hayek was very enthusiastic about our visiting delegation from China. After Palestinian lunch and afternoon tea for long discussion, we visited the horse riding farm where he works in the evening, which is also the training ground for the Palestinian equestrian team.
Photo: Visiting the horse riding stable where Mr. Hazem Hayek works in Cairo, Egypt
Mr. Hayek's challenges and dilemmas are the same as ours and MEDICS Worldwide: we’re all trying to find a way to break the Israeli Zionist massacre and hunger siege of Gaza.
4/2-3: Visiting UN organizations and private institutions supporting our humanitarian work in Gaza in Cairo, Egypt
Tuesday to Wednesday, April 2-3: On the third and fourth days, we visited United Nations (UN) organizations and private institutions in Cairo, Egypt that support our humanitarian work in Gaza. Without their help, we would not be able to start our humanitarian work in Gaza.
The World Food Programme (WFP) is jointly organized by the United Nations and the Food and Agriculture Organization of the United Nations. It is the United Nations agency responsible for multilateral food aid and is headquartered in Rome, Italy.
The purpose of the organization is to help recipient countries achieve self-help production and food self-sufficiency in food and agriculture by means of food. The aid is divided into three forms: emergency relief, rapid development projects and normal development projects. Its activity resources mainly come from voluntary donations of materials, cash and labor from governments of various countries. The main donors are China, the United States, the European Union, Canada, the Netherlands, Japan, Germany, Sweden, the United Kingdom, Denmark and Australia.
Photo: World Food Programme (WFP) building in Cairo, Egypt
WFP coordinated with different UN agencies and established a logistics cluster (LC) working group to coordinate and assist the UN and relief groups in transporting relief food to Gaza . LC held weekly video conferences with humanitarian agencies from various countries to discuss how to respond to and arrange transportation, logistics and customs clearance work in the face of Israel's vicious obstruction of food entering Gaza.
Photo: Lee Siu Hin and Huang Shimin at the Logistics Cluster (LC) office of WFP Cairo, who coordinated and assisted the United Nations and relief groups in transporting relief food to Gaza.
The relief organizations first arrange to transport the donated relief food to the Gaza border through commercial channels. Then they entrust LC to handle the customs clearance procedures with the Gaza and Israeli authorities. After approval, they arrange to send the materials to Gaza by truck and store them in their warehouses waiting to be distributed to designated locations. Generally, they are only responsible for 24-hour inventory services.
Since Israel has completely controlled all land borders leading to Gaza from south to north militarily, no items can enter or leave without their approval and leaving a bribe (transit fee). Since Israel tore up the cease fire agreement with the support of the United States in March, no food and supplies can enter Gaza so far, and everyone can only wait outside. What's more hateful is that Israel plans to intensify the famine siege on Gaza, complicate the customs clearance procedures for aid items entering Gaza, and deliberately charge high " transit fees" and other anti-human tactics. LC said that they will negotiate with the Israeli authorities very soon to understand their latest requirements.
The World Health Organization (WHO) is a specialized agency of the United Nations. It was established in 1948 and is headquartered in Geneva, Switzerland. It is the largest intergovernmental health organization in the World. In the context of Israel's years of ethnic cleansing and the current invasion and famine siege of Gaza, the role of WHO is very important and it is also a thorn in Israel's side.
Because of Israel's obstruction, WHO, like WFP, set up an "Emergency Medical Team (EMT)" in Cairo and other places to negotiate with Israel and coordinate the entry and exit of medical supplies and personnel. Similar to the work of LC, EMT is responsible for applying for customs clearance with the Israeli authorities and relevant departments in Gaza for medical supplies donated by international non-governmental organizations to Gaza, helping with transportation and temporary storage after entering Gaza, etc. Our medical shipments from China, currently coordinating with EMT to helped us handle the Gaza/Israeli custom declaration and transportation from Cairo to Gaza.
The EMT staff told us the difficulties they face in their work: because of Israel's blockade, the strategy of how to arrange humanitarian supplies almost every week needs to be changed according to the latest Israeli decisions. International humanitarian organizations and foreign governments generally send their supplies to El Arish Airport on the Gaza Peninsula by air, or to Port Said or El Arish Port on the Mediterranean coast of Egypt by sea, and then different UN agencies are responsible for receiving them and temporarily storing them in a warehouse in Sinai, Egypt side, and then arrange to send them to Gaza after the approval of the Israeli authorities.
According to EMT, we are the first where they have seen a community non-governmental organization from China, working with Palestinian organization to send a large amount of medical supplies to Cairo Airport by commercial flights, and then asking EMT to receive them for shipment to Gaza. We are proud that has created a historical first!
Photo: Lee Siu Hin at Emergency Medical Team (EMT) office, who coordinates the entry and exit of medical supplies and personnel, at the World Health Organization (WHO) in Cairo
However, they also admitted that when supplies can be shipped to Gaza depends on Israel's mercy. Under IOF complete military siege, they recently negotiated difficulty with the Israeli authorities, to allow 14 people to enter Gaza from outside and 7 people to leave Gaza.
The various UN agencies are very specific in arranging relief work, and there is no overlap. The WFP is only responsible for relief food, the WHO is responsible for medical supplies, the UN High Commissioner for Refugees (UNHCR) is responsible for refugee camps, the International Red Cross and Red Crescent Committee (ICRC) is responsible for medical services, and so on.
Our exchanges with various UN agencies were mainly to establish personal working relationships and better understand the work of Gaza aid. It was also an important trip to show that Chinese humanitarian organizations in Gaza!
After finishing the meeting with various UN agencies, we went to visit Earth Link, the customs clearance company that helped us apply for customs clearance procedures in Egypt. The medical supplies we shipped from China to Gaza needed to land in Egypt and be handed over to WHO, who would be responsible for transporting them to Gaza. Earth Link helped us to declare transit in Egypt to avoid being taxed. In order to support our humanitarian project in Gaza, they waived our clearance fee.
Photo: Visiting Earth Link, a customs brokerage company that helped us apply for customs clearance in Egypt, in Nasr, east of Cairo, Egypt. On the left is Xu Minghao , who is supporting the Panda Aid and is also the voluntary interpreter for this trip. On the right is Huang Shimin, who is responsible for the coordination of medical supplies from China to Gaza.
4/4: Support for Gaza refugees in Cairo
Friday, April 4: On the fifth day in Cairo, we went to the Network for Palestine, located in a residential building in the eastern suburbs of Cairo. They provide a support for the basic needs of refugees who have fled the war in Gaza and are stranded in Cairo. Every time we go to Cairo, we must visit them and support their work. This is our third donation activity.
According to preliminary statistics at June, 2024, there were about 100,000 Gaza refugees stranded in Egypt. Because they had no legal status in Egypt, they could not enjoy local medical insurance and other social welfare, and were discriminated against by the Egyptian government. Only volunteer groups organized by local Egyptians or international volunteers organized semi-formal network to helped them.
The founders of the Network for Palestine is an American family who bought a property as a vacation home a few years ago, but it had been left unused until after the "Al-Aqsa Flood" operation in Gaza on October 7, 2023. They decided to work with Palestinian professionals living in Cairo and donate the property to establish this relief space.
This is a four-story house with an area of more than 400 square meters. It has established a community center dedicated to the relief of Palestinian refugees. The center was opened to the public after a simple renovation in early 2024 in response to the refugee crisis caused by this round of war.
The relief supplies are mainly donated by caring people and provided free of charge to Gaza refugees living in Egypt with various daily necessities, food, clothing, etc., as well as regular free medical consultations, rent subsidies and other services.
Photo: Network for Palestine social service center provides free clothes and daily necessities to Gaza refugees stranded in Cairo.
The ground floor is used for donated food and furniture, floors 2-3 are for donated clothes, toys, milk powder, etc., and there is also a community activity center upstairs.
Photo: Food boxes, mattresses, kitchen utensils, etc. provided free of charge to Gaza refugees stranded in Cairo at the Network for Palestine social service center.
The refugees' needs are also simple, because when they fled from Gaza to Egypt, they had nothing. What they need most is a place to live and basic living supplies, including furniture, clothes, daily necessities, rent, etc. Now they also provide psychological counseling, tutoring, medicine, and crowdfunding for patients' treatment fees.
Photo: Food boxes provided free of charge to Gaza refugee families stranded in Cairo at the Network for Palestine social service center. They mainly contain the basic food necessities that every family needs, including rice, flour, salt, sugar, oil, canned food, tea, etc.
We were deeply moved by their righteous act and were also inspired by the call to support Gaza refugees and those stranded in Cairo. In addition to supporting Gaza's medical and humanitarian projects, we also raised funds to purchase supplies and donate them to them.
Photo: 12 portable blood pressure monitors we donated from China to Network for Palestine
During our previous two humanitarian support trips to Cairo (June and September 2024), we raised funds to donate to them to purchase various items, including mattresses, shoes, clothes, blenders, blood pressure monitors, etc. This time, they hope to use our donation from China to support the purchase of medicines and patient treatment.
Photo: Our donation ceremony for Network for Palestine from China, will be going to support the purchase of medicines and patient treatment
Egyptians for Palestine
In addition to Network for Palestine, there are many other grassroots Gaza relief organizations or individuals in Cairo who have established online discussion groups to help each other. Most of the requests are for donations of supplies, crowdfunding for visa fees to escape Gaza, surgery fees for Gaza refugees stranded in Cairo, and living expenses/rental support.
Dr. Ahmed Frena from the Egyptians for Palestine is a Gaza refugee stranded in Cairo. He is an art therapist and researcher who is committed to developing new psychological care methods for traumatized children. He evacuated from Gaza to Egypt in 2024 and started their service in Cairo, with more than a dozen Gaza medical volunteers to provide psychological counseling for Gaza refugee children stranded in Cairo.
Photo: Dr. Ahmed Frena of the Egyptians for Palestine organization describes their project on Instagram
He acknowledges that living in Egypt is only for a temporary period and he will eventually need to live in a country where he can settle down. In addition to raising funds for his organization's activities, he also crowdfunded for his future. The funds will be used to pay for his airfare/visa fees while studying for a master's degree in Europe, as well as emergency living expenses while waiting for a visa in Egypt. The goal is $1,100 for 3 months (including rent, food, bills and personal expenses).
Postscript
From China with love, Panda Aid's fourth humanitarian aid trip to Cairo to organize medical supplies to Gaza, at the middle of the historical moment of great changes that have not been seen in a century, the conflicts in the Middle East provoked by the United States and Israel, Israel's invasion and occupation of Gaza, have undoubtedly opened the prelude to the Sixth Middle East War. This will affect the world years to come.
The situation is not optimistic. On April 6 the Gaza Media Office issued a statement saying that since the Israeli army violated the ceasefire agreement and restarted the Gaza war on March 18, 490 children have been killed in the attack, and the total death toll has reached 1,350.
The statement strongly condemned the "systematic massacre" of Gaza civilians, especially children, by the Israeli army, calling it another serious crime in the ongoing "genocide war". Most people in the area believe that Israel's indiscriminate massacre is now bloodier than before the ceasefire.
In addition, this trip also confirmed the rumors that everyone has known for a long time - there are many opportunists in Gaza that collude with each other and make money from the war: there are still some pre-war stocks of commercial goods and equipment in Gaza, and some Gaza merchants have monopolized the sales channels of these goods. There are also gangs of rooters in Gaza, and staff who steal from humanitarian warehouses and sell the stolen materials on the black market to make a fortune in the national crisis. In addition, on the one hand, Israel has completely blocked Gaza, and on the other hand, it "occasionally" approves Israeli commercial goods with their background to enter Gaza, sells them at high prices, to makes a fortune from the blood of Gazans. Therefore, how to avoid risks, dangers, and fraud is a very complex systemic project. Humanitarian work helps them, but it also tests us. It’s a process of building mutual complementation, learning, and trust.
We respect the staffs from medical and humanitarian organizations, international NGOs, and UN agencies, every day they’re in front of the Gaza war zone, facing risks to help people, they’re our heroes! We still have lots to learn.
Every humanitarian work is also a learning experience of how we can moving forward our work, cooperating and communicating with local humanitarian organizations, and giving us better direction for how to plan and implement projects in the future.
For this trip, we are grateful for the donations and support from dozens of caring people from all over China, the UK and Egypt. We would like to thank Mr. Xu Minghao from Panda Aid , who was also the voluntary Chinese-English interpreter for this trip, and Mr. Huang Shimin, who was responsible for the coordination of medical supplies from China to Gaza for the Panda Aid-Palestinian Doctors Association in Europe. Without them, we would not have been successful.
Photo: Members of the fourth Panda Aid’s Gaza Humanitarian Medical Support Mission to Egypt from left: Xu Minghao , Li Xiaoxuan, Huang Shimin, Deng Xuan
We ask the kind-hearted people from around to donate us to support our Panda Aid 2025 humanitarian and justice projects in Gaza! www.PandaAid.org Because helping others is also helping us, making friends in the world, raising our voices form China and the Global South, People Of The World United Will Never be Defeated!
September 2023 Third Humanterian Mission Report
Part One:
Chinese: http://www.immigrantsolidarity.org/PandaAid/Sep2024Report-CHN.html
English: http://www.immigrantsolidarity.org/PandaAid/Sep2024Report-ENG.html
Part Two:
Chinese: http://www.immigrantsolidarity.org/PandaAid/Sep2024Report-PartTwo-CHN.html
English: http://www.immigrantsolidarity.org/PandaAid/Sep2024Report-PartTwo-ENG.html
About Lee Siu Hin:
Lee Siu Hin is a Chinese American immigrant rights activist born in Hong Kong, China and from Los Angeles, California, USA. He is the founder of China-US Solidarity Network CUSN, National Immigrant Solidarity Network NISN and Panda Aid. He is a long-term organizer in community, labor, anti-war and immigrant rights activities, committed to grassroots struggles. He was also a long-term unpaid reporter, producer and war correspondent for Pacifica Radio KPFK in Los Angeles, and has worked in war zones in the Middle East, Europe and Africa.
NISN is a grassroots-based national network of immigrant activists in the United States, and CUSN is a network of academic and community activists from both countries working to build China-U.S. relations and grassroots activist dialogue. Panda Aid is an organization building international humanitarian action led by Chinese community activists.
Lee holds a Master of Public Administration (MPA) and a Master of Engineering (Aerospace) from California State Polytechnic University, Pomona; Pomona, California, USA.
He is currently working on healthcare IT technology for disadvantaged communities of color in the U.S. and the Global South. He frequently travels between China and the U.S. to engage in exchanges with progressive nongovernmental organizations.
In September 2020, his latest book, “Capitalism on a Ventilator”, was published with Sara Flounders ; the Chinese version was released in January 2022. He contributed to “Sanctions: A Wrecking Ball In A Global Economy”, published in December 2022, and the Chinese version was published in January 2024. Based on the content of these two books, the documentary “Vaccine and Sanctions” was produced and released in February 2023. His second documentary, “Voice of Xinjiang VoiceXJ”, is still in production, and the short film version was released in December 2023.
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