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Video of Take Back Santa Cruz-supported Clean Team Harassing Homeless Forced Off Internet
A week ago, writer Jeremy Leonard posted a video with faces disguised of a member of the Clean Team threatening and harassing a homeless camper as he and others did one of their regular "clean-up's". The video was only up very briefly before it was taken down. A few days ago it reappeared as part of a long interview Leonard did with former Clean Team founder T.J. Magallanes. The interview--still up as of this writing--provoked dozens of comments, and reportedly numerous threats against Leonard. The entire thread was removed as well as the video. I saved some of the thread and reprint it here.
The interview with T.J. at this writing can still be found at http://santacruz.patch.com/groups/jeremy-leonards-blog/p/bp--fever-pitch-interview-with-sc-clean-team-founder-0c63abc71a?ncid=newsltuspatc00000010 .
I shall attempt to repost it, if it too disappears. In all fairness, SC Patch writer (and frequent SCPD groupie) Brad Kava has explained there was a broad technical problem that resulted in both the removal of the video and all the comments.
Subsequently Leonard wrote me that he also took down the video from You-Tube because, even with faces and voices disguised, he was getting too many threats.
I will be playing a phone interview I had with T.J. Magallanes on Free Radio Santa Cruz at 101.3 FM (streams at http://tunein.com/radio/FRSC-s47254/) tomorrow (Thursday May 16) at 6:30 PM. I invite listeners to call in at 831-427-3772.
The interview will archive at http://www.radiolibre.org/brb/brb130516.mp3 about half an hour into the audio file.
The recent Sentinel, SCPD, and City Council hyperfocus on the Collins, Baker, and Butler killings--freak incidents which provoked rage and grief (while the deaths of many homeless and poor people go unnoticed or vilified)--seems to me part of a political campaign to Take Over Santa Cruz with an old and repulsive ideology. It's the same story, dripping with venom that the Downtown Association, the Mathews-Coonerty crowd, and now the ascendant Bryant-Terrazas-Robinson-Comstock coalition is spewing.
Ramp up the drug war, hire more cops and security guards, declare more areas off-limits to everyone (since just targeting homeless would be unconstitutional and give away the game), cut off homeless services, encourage public hostility to homeless and transient people, encourage a "snitch system" to spread terror among the poor and drive them out of town. Scream "needles, needles, needles" and terrorize residents into supporting deeper police state measures to "monitor" the poor. Along the way, shut down needle exchange, marijuana distribution centers, and other classic right-wing targets.
THE COMMENT STREAM THAT WAS DELETED OR CRASHED
I saved as many of the comments as I could--none before the one I made (which I wasn't able to save). They include comments by both supporters of TBSC and TCT as well as critics. The real issue isn't those organizations per se, but the question of whether the "clean up" activity is really a mask for "cleaning out" a class of people in Santa Cruz that are being demonized as a "Public Safety" hazard.
What's really shown here is how far TBSC and TCT supporters will go to preserve the image of their group as a nice family-friendly group with no nasty prejudices or agenda. The suppressed video, which I'm still hoping will reappear, shows how hollow these claims are. The speed with which the video was suppressed is ominous.
Much of the thread may be repetitive but I wanted to put as much of it up as I could save.
I was able to post some of the times of some of the comments. Some comments are still up, not the earlier ones or the video.
Deb: "i will try again . . .i do not know tj and don't know the merit of his allegations. his ideas can certainly be debated. what is interesting to me, are the lack of responses about what takes place in the video. i think that says a lot." 11:33 5-14
Jeremy Leonard: "Thank you for your comment, Deb. I have been interviewing homeless people in town for the past couple of months on and off, and just yesterday I interviewed a guy that is living in his car. I bought him a coffee at Pergolese, and let him talk. He said that he is feeling more pressure, and knows several other people that have gotten beaten up recently. It's my fear that if we allow even veiled anti-homeless dialog to persist, then we aren't really making Santa Cruz a safer place. I wasn't targeting any one group with my opening paragraphs on groupthink per se, it was just general commentary on human nature. We should be mindful of what we say, because as we see in the vid, good people can be lured into following a "leader's" example...be ti good or bad. I disguised the voices and speakers, because my goal is not to throw anyone under the bus, it's to just make people think before they act. The guy in the sleeping bag deserved none of that." 11:49 5-14
Paul: "Pretty funny- you didn't see it because it was deleted :) I remember these events specifically. I, myself, was silently kicked out of the group in under 3 minutes for making one positive comment about HSC and saying that the biggest problem was that there was no treatment available for the population that needs it the most. Nothing rude or cobfrontational, just what I thought was a good point to bring up. For groups that are so vigilantly moderated around the clock, it's ridiculous to hear them say they're not responsible for all the comments. That may be technically correct, but every admin is responsible for leaving all the hateful and incendiary comments up and at the same time deleting the ones they don't personally agree with." 12:03 5-14
Paul: "Basically everyone that has listened to either group knows that the behavior in the video is exactly what is being cultivated by both groups. They just got caught with their pants down. Santa Cruz can do better than this." 12:10 5-14
Deb: "i don't care WHO the people are in the video (what rank they have in the community), that was bullying. no one has said it. why? fear of retaliation? if you hear of a grandma getting roughed up for speaking her mind, please follow up with a story!" 12:15 5-14
Jeremy Leonard: Dylan, Thanks for your comment. Let's hear your side of the story." 12:47 5-14
Jim Levy: "I agree Mel. These are the topics on the TBSC Facebook wall right now. You can judge if they are positive or not: Gay Pride Parade float ideas, Tamale Lady in the Safeway parking lot having great Tamales. An really great interview wth Santa Cruz County, and Page Smith Community House resident, Andy Carcello. Illegal camping on Mitchells Cove, The need for a no syringe signs at Cowells Beach, Working with Denny's to clean up the area around their restaurant. A personal email sent to city council. A Lost bike. A found bike. A statement by Analicia- stating that TBSC cleans are not the Clean Team, Save our Shores or Surfrider cleans. Another found bike. A member of TBSC embracing a homeless friend. A post remembering the life of Officer Butler. I support TBSC for the broad based reporting that Patch and Sentinel don't cover. That's why I support TBSC." 13:02 5-14
Jeremy Leonard: "I received several calls on my telephone this morning from people who didn't like my article. To clarify, this is an interview with one person, from their point of view, in their exact words. Interviews like this are inherently biased, because it's just one person's perspective. Please don't hate on the messenger." 12:20 5-14
Paul: "Challenge it all you'd like, I'm not making it up. Ask an administrator where Paul Simpson went :) Just like some other people did at the time. I have a copy of what I said if you'd like to see it. Also, the big wave surfer has been one of their most endorsed voices for some time now. That's the problem." 13:26 5-14
Paul: "And TBSC supports HSC? You can't be serious. That's why they have a solutions team looking for loopholes to cripple them?" 13:28 5-14
Paul: "And finally, Jim, you posted another comment pointing out all the wonderful things on TBSC's wall right now and how wrong I am. We all know they have cleaned up their act on the surface over the last couple weeks due to the awakening that is happening. If you would like, I can start a Facebook page with the screenshots I've been collecting over the last several months?" 13:33 5-14
Paul: "Like they say in their groups, you can go somewhere else if you don't like it :)" 13:40 5-14
RealityCheck Santa Cruz: "Sorry Jeremy, but you can't have it both ways. One minute you're "just a journalist who didn't want to interfere", the next you're "Just a concerned citizen looking for a good direction to go in." You can't paint the group with tacit approval of the actions in the video and then divorce yourself because you're holding a camera. Did you ask any other attendees what they thought about the verbal assault? A real journalist would have. This reads like a total hit piece. In the verbiage you even state that this was two minutes of the 40 you filmed (of the 2+ hours we were out there.) Did you ask for proof of the 'death threats' TJ supposedly received? Sounds a bit melodramatic." 15:40 5-14
RealityCheck Santa Cruz : "Jeremy, perspective is one's opinion. Claiming death threats is not a 'perspective'. IMO it's irresponsible to write an article that claims there were death threats (a very serious issue of fact) if you haven't verified that they were actually received. Just because he said it doesn't mean it's true. (And if it's true, the police should be involved.) If you're going to claim to be a journalist, you need to act with integrity."
Mel: "I don't know what happened with TJ and TCT but I know what I saw with Jeremy and TBSC. He made some crazy allegations about people deleting his posts (which I could not see any evidence of) and tried to stir up a storm. He made comments but as far as I could tell did not try to inject anything positive or substantial; he enjoyed tossing out tidbits to see if he could get a nibble. He seemed to me to be concern trolling TBSC. http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-concern-trolling.htm"
Mel: "TBSC is a private group. There are other groups to join. There's Together for a Safe Santa Cruz County. There's Citizens for a Better Santa Cruz. Why people prefer bashing TBSC to committing actions to another group, I can only guess."
Mel: "Take Back Santa Cruz has more than 5000 people in it. It has a fairly open wall. Individuals are responsible for their own words. There is no shortage of people trying to hold the group responsible for every word individuals type. Moderating such a group while allowing open discussions such that everything said is in line with TBSC would not only be impossible but undesirable."
Mel: "It's doubtful to me that most people in TBSC read the newsfeed daily, but it does fill a valuable function as an online community where people find support as well as discussion. Sometimes things get heated. Sometimes people feel bullied simply because another person doesn't agree with them."
Mel: "(My apologies for all of the posts; they were all originally one post but I could not get it to post in one message)."
Jeremy Leonard: "Hello Melanie, I definitely was not looking for a "nibble". Just a concerned citizen looking for a good direction to go in."
Mel: "Looking at needle exchange simply as a health problem for stemming HiV HepC and other illnesses is myopic. What about the enabling of addicts, the enlarging of the problem of addiction through needle distribution? I have not heard any NE supporter address this problem. Fact: needles were not found in great numbers prior to the change in state law allowing needles without a prescription. Perhaps this is why more needles are being found. Are there more addicts? Are more needles being distributed? Our local NE enables addicts not only by providing needles but also kits. This is not helpful for people to get off drugs. How is making it easier to do drugs helping the drug addiction problem?"
Lower Ocean Heights: "Jeremy Leanard actively sought out questions and comments from TBSC members for his previous article about Needle Exchange and the resulting interview he did with Emily Auger. Now they are 'schoolyard bullies'? That is unfortunate, because it takes what could be a good dialog about dissenting opinions in community groups like TBSC (or Clean Team, or HUFF, or Occupy Santa Cruz) and makes it a vengeful hit piece. Missed opportunity, bad feelings and bruised egos. Too bad."
Jeremy Leonard: "Here is a link to that piece: http://santacruz.patch.com/blog_posts/stuck-between-a-rock-and-a-sharp-place-interview-with-emily-ager-of-the-street-outreach-supporters "
Mel: "Color me skeptical. Why would anyone call you to tell you they don't like your article, unless they're your friends or they're nuts or both? Who would have your number? Who would bother to spend the time and effort?"
Jim Levy: "Paul, a Solutions Group is mean to come up with best practices, and or evidence based solutions to help create a better outcome. Of course these are recommendations only. Some good can come of an analytical approach such as this. The TBSC facebook page is open to it's membership. There are varying views and all are invited to comment. There is a code of conduct though from what I know. Opinions vary, and can't speak to post may have been deleted. My suggestion is to reach out to them and ask why."
Mel: "I agree. The behavior in the video is bullying. It also does not depict TBSC."
Jeremy Leonard: "Melanie, I traced one number back to a Santa Cruz business with a simple internet search, which will remain nameless. I had never talked to this person before, and I'm not sure how they got my number. They were angry that my article is biased toward TJ's opinion...of course it is. The quotes are directly from his mouth, from his perspective."
deb: Magallanes. "when no one names names, and everyone "remains nameless," the power structure stays intact and is very evident . . .people are either protecting themselves from a fear of retaliation or ostracizing, or protecting the ones they know did whatever heinous behavior that they are commenting on. on another note: i thought surfing was supposed to make you mellow . . ."
Adrianna R: "Jim Levy, TBSC is NOT open, it's a closed membership FB group that you have to be approved by TBSC. I know of a recent instance where a longstanding community member was kicked out of TBSC FB group by KA because they asked a question that must have pissed her or another TBSC leader off. I read the question, it was not out of line or even uncomplimentary to TBSC. It was a simple question. The person who was kicked out asked why and ACube told them that TBSC was NOT an open forum (or group). That people who post anything negative (or that a TBSC leader considers negative) will be asked to leave the group. Apparently the only viewpoints TBSC wants to hear are those who agree exactly with TBSC leaders. I did not believe this person's claim until I read the email forwarded to me. Maybe Jim you aren't aware of how TBSC is being really run, in which case I suggest you educate yourself. Otherwise you are just being an apologist for a group that claims to be open and diverse and grassroots, when in fact it's anything but."
COMMENTS STILL UP AS OF THIS POSTING
deb May 14, 2013 at 10:13 pm
where is the video and the comments?
deb May 14, 2013 at 10:16 pm
the 75 comments?
AdrianaR May 15, 2013 at 06:01 am
Here is a link to the YouTube video showing Clean Team member poking a homeless man, swearing at him while other CT members are laughing. Really appalling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUpGNF_WInE
Lower Ocean Heights May 15, 2013 at 08:49 am
Now, where were we on this? Oh yeah, questionable behavior by a couple of folks trying to clean up after drug addled homeless junkies, questionable journalism that is a hit piece, bad feelings and bruised egos. What else am I missing? Oh that must be it! Cue the ridiculous demands and comments from Robert Norse in 3, 2, 1...
Meanwhile trash and needles abound in our waterways and public spaces.
Robert Norse May 15, 2013 at 08:51 am
My, my, is the power of Take Back Santa Cruz so great it can scare SC Patch ? If the evidence offends, hide it? If the dialogue disturbs, delete it? An innocent technical slip, perhaps? The dog ate the video? Perhaps a Patchie can clear up the confusion...
Brad Kava (Editor) May 15, 2013 at 10:15 am
help...the migrated content hasn't picked up the comments. It's the god of the Internet messing with us. Trying to get it fixed pronto. This is depressing. They say things are migrating at different paces.
Brad Kava (Editor) May 15, 2013 at 10:18 am
I thought it was shaping up to an intelligent discussion. This is killing me.
Robert Norse May 15, 2013 at 11:11 am
Thanks for the clarification, Brad. But do you know why the video would also disappear?
Brad Kava (Editor) May 15, 2013 at 11:18 am
As you can see in the home page...all the videos have disappeared, including the London travel agent I posted yesterday. I think, though, Jeremy privatized the Youtube video because he's getting threats. It's getting ugly out there. So much for free speech.
AdrianaR May 15, 2013 at 11:48 am
This is ridiculous.
I'm sorry but there really needs to be a media expose on TBSC and the so-called Clean Team. It's bad enough that TBSC tosses anyone who disagrees with them. ACube has basically admitted it in that email I read. But now when certain people are caught on tape doing things they shouldn't, the TBSC crew circles the wagons and then threats are issued. Why aren't people who support TBSC calling them out on their actions? Why does TBSC ONLY receive glowing press with no real investigative journalism into who runs the group, how it is not open, diverse. How no other views are tolerated and a very small core group of people dictate the policy and manner of how the group is organized and run?
Brad Kava (Editor) May 15, 2013 at 03:50 pm
Adriana: Those people in the camps were NOT TBSC people. They were another group. In fact, one of them wants to run for city council.
Jim Levy May 15, 2013 at 04:15 pm
Bwahahhahh, Robert. So far your conspiracy theory didn't work. It's everyone elses fault but you, TJ and Jeremy Leonard. We all know TJ was sour grapes and had people who didn't like him. But instead of Jeremy getting the facts, he thought he would smear mud and cause friction between himself and an activated group of people who put their energies into practice. Disappoint Patch would print lies. I expected more.
Clarkie Clark May 15, 2013 at 04:25 pm
What exactly do you think are lies Jim Levy?
Clarkie Clark May 15, 2013 at 04:33 pm
In an attempt to salvage what he could of his group, he asked me to start a new Clean Team page for him so he could continue to carry out his ideas. At that point we both started getting bashed and bullied. The same admin who hijacked his group started threatening me with either a law suit or criminal accusations "I have reported you to the proper authorities" she repeatedly said, apparently for slander in posts that didn't exist. I mentioned this to several people if they could figure out what she was talking about and where these supposed mystery slandering posts were - nobody had a clue. It it wasn't enough to kick Tj off his own group, some of the outspoken TCT ladies started joining our new page to continue beating him up.
(continued)
Clarkie Clark May 15, 2013 at 04:33 pm
Tj shared all that was going on during this time. I could never figure out why seemingly everyone was so against him. My 5cent psychiatric conclusion was that not only this group but many official city members might have felt threatened by him and his instant leadership. The city put the other groups in bed with them, but I think they knew they were up against someone who couldn't be bought. In my opinion, both these groups and many more before them are nothing more than voting blocs for the local politicians. I've seen them in action. They are pools to pull from to appoint to "citizens committees" to control them further and keep them under their thumbs. Tj knew this. There is no power among citizens groups and the way they beat people up on FB forums and fight like crazy is pretty bad.
(continued)
Clarkie Clark May 15, 2013 at 04:34 pm
Tj is one of the most thoughtful and intelligent human being I have ever come in contact with. It's too bad he got so beat up by "group mentality" (my new phrase). He really needed to get out of Santa Cruz just as I did two years ago.
It's really unfortunate that the city hasn't taken any action on the worsening conditions. They have all the ordinances in place to keep Santa Cruz a wonderful place to invest in, if they'd only enforce them. And the citizens have given them very generous tax increases to work with to fulfill their promise of safety. Citizens groups are their new weapons, as we have seen good, bright people with good ideas get shot down. The city's solution at present? - appoint another "citizens committee." (continued)
Clarkie Clark
May 15, 2013 at 04:34 pm
Truth hurts sometimes, but gratefully there are good, perceptive and honest writers like Jeremy who can throw the truth out there and make it stick. Without truth and respect for each other, I'm afraid Santa Cruz is going to have a civil war.
(the end)
deb May 15, 2013 at 05:10 pm
jeremy is a real person of substance. he has been scapegoated. "shoot the messenger," basically. not cool.
Robert Norse May 15, 2013 at 08:17 pm
Brad: Where is the 75 comment stream?
For those interested, I will be playing an interview with T.J. Magallanes tomorrow on Free Radio Santa Cruz at 6:30 PM. FRSC broadcasts at 101.3 FM and streams at http://tunein.com/radio/FRSC-s47254/
AdrianaR May 15, 2013 at 09:15 pm
Brad, were those people clean team or not? Who was it in the tape both on camera or not?
why are their identities being hidden? Are they the mob or something? Cops? Seriously, what is with this town's hush up mentality?
AdrianaR May 15, 2013 at 09:20 pm
Jim levy, how come you continue the lie that TBSC is an open group.
How come you haven't answered my example of someone who was thrown out of the group last month for simply asking a question that Kristin A didn't like? How come you have no response for the followup explanation from A Cube that TBSC isn't for people who anyone that, in essence the leaders feel aren't following the party line? That's certainly a bit different from all the publicity TBSC puts out in the media. Why is it that you seem focused on Robert Norse and refuse to answer the questions of people who aren't part of any group other than concerned citizens who have been kicked out of TBSC because they think someone is "too liberal" or "too compassionate?"
Jeremy Leonard: "AdrianaR, I shot the vid. I blurred the faces. I will not disclose who they are (unless under extreme circumstances). I think that the vast majority of the Clean Team mean well, they're good people."
Jim Levy: "AdrianaR, This wasn't a TBSC function it was a Clean Team event. Dylan confirmed it yesterday, but the thread was deleted. He also confirmed the difference between the 2 groups. I personally have had no problem posting on the TBSC wall. Then again I like solutions about safety, mainly for my family. I also like some of their broad based posts non safety related too. They have over 5500 member on FB and an awesome website. Why hate? They must be doing something right. There are other groups on Facebook for many different people. Why attack a community group if you don't believe in what they do? Life's too short. I think Norse attaching himself to this story makes me want to support the Clean Team even more." 10:23 PM 5-15.
Robert Norse:
Robert Norse May 15, 2013 at 11:00 pm
Jim: What's your status in the TBSC hierarchy if any?
What specific "safety" solutions other than stepping up police repression in the Drug War and against the homeless and transient population are you in support of? As far as "hate" goes, homeless people whom I interview by the dozen each week for my radio show, report an upsurge in discrimination, police abuse, and public hostility. Does this concern you?
Both Jeremy and T.J. have apparently felt threatened because of their expressed opinions and reportage about The Clean Team and Take Back Santa Cruz.
I have made no secret of my alarm at the TBSC anti-homeless agenda. Encouraging police sweeps of homeless encampments, ramping up the war on drug users outside, attacking homeless service providers, and raising fears falsely linking improper needle disposal with S.O.S. Needle Exchange, has little to do with safety and everything to do with a familiar right-wing fascistic NIMBY agenda. Going after the messenger is also a fascist tactic. Though, I agree, it's used by Democrats and Republicans as well.
When it prompts censorship of violence against vulnerable homeless people and then suppression of the evidence of that violence, I think we've reached a crucial turning point.
Folks who want to criticize or defend this kind of behavior can discuss possible solutions can call in tomorrow at 831-427-3772 at 6:30 PM when I'll be playing the T.J. Magallanes interview on 101.3 FM. For earlier attempts to get TBSC to come clean on the homeless harassment issue see "Same Old Scapegoating" at http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/06/02/18649646.php?show_comments=1#18650032
I shall attempt to repost it, if it too disappears. In all fairness, SC Patch writer (and frequent SCPD groupie) Brad Kava has explained there was a broad technical problem that resulted in both the removal of the video and all the comments.
Subsequently Leonard wrote me that he also took down the video from You-Tube because, even with faces and voices disguised, he was getting too many threats.
I will be playing a phone interview I had with T.J. Magallanes on Free Radio Santa Cruz at 101.3 FM (streams at http://tunein.com/radio/FRSC-s47254/) tomorrow (Thursday May 16) at 6:30 PM. I invite listeners to call in at 831-427-3772.
The interview will archive at http://www.radiolibre.org/brb/brb130516.mp3 about half an hour into the audio file.
The recent Sentinel, SCPD, and City Council hyperfocus on the Collins, Baker, and Butler killings--freak incidents which provoked rage and grief (while the deaths of many homeless and poor people go unnoticed or vilified)--seems to me part of a political campaign to Take Over Santa Cruz with an old and repulsive ideology. It's the same story, dripping with venom that the Downtown Association, the Mathews-Coonerty crowd, and now the ascendant Bryant-Terrazas-Robinson-Comstock coalition is spewing.
Ramp up the drug war, hire more cops and security guards, declare more areas off-limits to everyone (since just targeting homeless would be unconstitutional and give away the game), cut off homeless services, encourage public hostility to homeless and transient people, encourage a "snitch system" to spread terror among the poor and drive them out of town. Scream "needles, needles, needles" and terrorize residents into supporting deeper police state measures to "monitor" the poor. Along the way, shut down needle exchange, marijuana distribution centers, and other classic right-wing targets.
THE COMMENT STREAM THAT WAS DELETED OR CRASHED
I saved as many of the comments as I could--none before the one I made (which I wasn't able to save). They include comments by both supporters of TBSC and TCT as well as critics. The real issue isn't those organizations per se, but the question of whether the "clean up" activity is really a mask for "cleaning out" a class of people in Santa Cruz that are being demonized as a "Public Safety" hazard.
What's really shown here is how far TBSC and TCT supporters will go to preserve the image of their group as a nice family-friendly group with no nasty prejudices or agenda. The suppressed video, which I'm still hoping will reappear, shows how hollow these claims are. The speed with which the video was suppressed is ominous.
Much of the thread may be repetitive but I wanted to put as much of it up as I could save.
I was able to post some of the times of some of the comments. Some comments are still up, not the earlier ones or the video.
Deb: "i will try again . . .i do not know tj and don't know the merit of his allegations. his ideas can certainly be debated. what is interesting to me, are the lack of responses about what takes place in the video. i think that says a lot." 11:33 5-14
Jeremy Leonard: "Thank you for your comment, Deb. I have been interviewing homeless people in town for the past couple of months on and off, and just yesterday I interviewed a guy that is living in his car. I bought him a coffee at Pergolese, and let him talk. He said that he is feeling more pressure, and knows several other people that have gotten beaten up recently. It's my fear that if we allow even veiled anti-homeless dialog to persist, then we aren't really making Santa Cruz a safer place. I wasn't targeting any one group with my opening paragraphs on groupthink per se, it was just general commentary on human nature. We should be mindful of what we say, because as we see in the vid, good people can be lured into following a "leader's" example...be ti good or bad. I disguised the voices and speakers, because my goal is not to throw anyone under the bus, it's to just make people think before they act. The guy in the sleeping bag deserved none of that." 11:49 5-14
Paul: "Pretty funny- you didn't see it because it was deleted :) I remember these events specifically. I, myself, was silently kicked out of the group in under 3 minutes for making one positive comment about HSC and saying that the biggest problem was that there was no treatment available for the population that needs it the most. Nothing rude or cobfrontational, just what I thought was a good point to bring up. For groups that are so vigilantly moderated around the clock, it's ridiculous to hear them say they're not responsible for all the comments. That may be technically correct, but every admin is responsible for leaving all the hateful and incendiary comments up and at the same time deleting the ones they don't personally agree with." 12:03 5-14
Paul: "Basically everyone that has listened to either group knows that the behavior in the video is exactly what is being cultivated by both groups. They just got caught with their pants down. Santa Cruz can do better than this." 12:10 5-14
Deb: "i don't care WHO the people are in the video (what rank they have in the community), that was bullying. no one has said it. why? fear of retaliation? if you hear of a grandma getting roughed up for speaking her mind, please follow up with a story!" 12:15 5-14
Jeremy Leonard: Dylan, Thanks for your comment. Let's hear your side of the story." 12:47 5-14
Jim Levy: "I agree Mel. These are the topics on the TBSC Facebook wall right now. You can judge if they are positive or not: Gay Pride Parade float ideas, Tamale Lady in the Safeway parking lot having great Tamales. An really great interview wth Santa Cruz County, and Page Smith Community House resident, Andy Carcello. Illegal camping on Mitchells Cove, The need for a no syringe signs at Cowells Beach, Working with Denny's to clean up the area around their restaurant. A personal email sent to city council. A Lost bike. A found bike. A statement by Analicia- stating that TBSC cleans are not the Clean Team, Save our Shores or Surfrider cleans. Another found bike. A member of TBSC embracing a homeless friend. A post remembering the life of Officer Butler. I support TBSC for the broad based reporting that Patch and Sentinel don't cover. That's why I support TBSC." 13:02 5-14
Jeremy Leonard: "I received several calls on my telephone this morning from people who didn't like my article. To clarify, this is an interview with one person, from their point of view, in their exact words. Interviews like this are inherently biased, because it's just one person's perspective. Please don't hate on the messenger." 12:20 5-14
Paul: "Challenge it all you'd like, I'm not making it up. Ask an administrator where Paul Simpson went :) Just like some other people did at the time. I have a copy of what I said if you'd like to see it. Also, the big wave surfer has been one of their most endorsed voices for some time now. That's the problem." 13:26 5-14
Paul: "And TBSC supports HSC? You can't be serious. That's why they have a solutions team looking for loopholes to cripple them?" 13:28 5-14
Paul: "And finally, Jim, you posted another comment pointing out all the wonderful things on TBSC's wall right now and how wrong I am. We all know they have cleaned up their act on the surface over the last couple weeks due to the awakening that is happening. If you would like, I can start a Facebook page with the screenshots I've been collecting over the last several months?" 13:33 5-14
Paul: "Like they say in their groups, you can go somewhere else if you don't like it :)" 13:40 5-14
RealityCheck Santa Cruz: "Sorry Jeremy, but you can't have it both ways. One minute you're "just a journalist who didn't want to interfere", the next you're "Just a concerned citizen looking for a good direction to go in." You can't paint the group with tacit approval of the actions in the video and then divorce yourself because you're holding a camera. Did you ask any other attendees what they thought about the verbal assault? A real journalist would have. This reads like a total hit piece. In the verbiage you even state that this was two minutes of the 40 you filmed (of the 2+ hours we were out there.) Did you ask for proof of the 'death threats' TJ supposedly received? Sounds a bit melodramatic." 15:40 5-14
RealityCheck Santa Cruz : "Jeremy, perspective is one's opinion. Claiming death threats is not a 'perspective'. IMO it's irresponsible to write an article that claims there were death threats (a very serious issue of fact) if you haven't verified that they were actually received. Just because he said it doesn't mean it's true. (And if it's true, the police should be involved.) If you're going to claim to be a journalist, you need to act with integrity."
Mel: "I don't know what happened with TJ and TCT but I know what I saw with Jeremy and TBSC. He made some crazy allegations about people deleting his posts (which I could not see any evidence of) and tried to stir up a storm. He made comments but as far as I could tell did not try to inject anything positive or substantial; he enjoyed tossing out tidbits to see if he could get a nibble. He seemed to me to be concern trolling TBSC. http://www.wisegeek.com/what-is-concern-trolling.htm"
Mel: "TBSC is a private group. There are other groups to join. There's Together for a Safe Santa Cruz County. There's Citizens for a Better Santa Cruz. Why people prefer bashing TBSC to committing actions to another group, I can only guess."
Mel: "Take Back Santa Cruz has more than 5000 people in it. It has a fairly open wall. Individuals are responsible for their own words. There is no shortage of people trying to hold the group responsible for every word individuals type. Moderating such a group while allowing open discussions such that everything said is in line with TBSC would not only be impossible but undesirable."
Mel: "It's doubtful to me that most people in TBSC read the newsfeed daily, but it does fill a valuable function as an online community where people find support as well as discussion. Sometimes things get heated. Sometimes people feel bullied simply because another person doesn't agree with them."
Mel: "(My apologies for all of the posts; they were all originally one post but I could not get it to post in one message)."
Jeremy Leonard: "Hello Melanie, I definitely was not looking for a "nibble". Just a concerned citizen looking for a good direction to go in."
Mel: "Looking at needle exchange simply as a health problem for stemming HiV HepC and other illnesses is myopic. What about the enabling of addicts, the enlarging of the problem of addiction through needle distribution? I have not heard any NE supporter address this problem. Fact: needles were not found in great numbers prior to the change in state law allowing needles without a prescription. Perhaps this is why more needles are being found. Are there more addicts? Are more needles being distributed? Our local NE enables addicts not only by providing needles but also kits. This is not helpful for people to get off drugs. How is making it easier to do drugs helping the drug addiction problem?"
Lower Ocean Heights: "Jeremy Leanard actively sought out questions and comments from TBSC members for his previous article about Needle Exchange and the resulting interview he did with Emily Auger. Now they are 'schoolyard bullies'? That is unfortunate, because it takes what could be a good dialog about dissenting opinions in community groups like TBSC (or Clean Team, or HUFF, or Occupy Santa Cruz) and makes it a vengeful hit piece. Missed opportunity, bad feelings and bruised egos. Too bad."
Jeremy Leonard: "Here is a link to that piece: http://santacruz.patch.com/blog_posts/stuck-between-a-rock-and-a-sharp-place-interview-with-emily-ager-of-the-street-outreach-supporters "
Mel: "Color me skeptical. Why would anyone call you to tell you they don't like your article, unless they're your friends or they're nuts or both? Who would have your number? Who would bother to spend the time and effort?"
Jim Levy: "Paul, a Solutions Group is mean to come up with best practices, and or evidence based solutions to help create a better outcome. Of course these are recommendations only. Some good can come of an analytical approach such as this. The TBSC facebook page is open to it's membership. There are varying views and all are invited to comment. There is a code of conduct though from what I know. Opinions vary, and can't speak to post may have been deleted. My suggestion is to reach out to them and ask why."
Mel: "I agree. The behavior in the video is bullying. It also does not depict TBSC."
Jeremy Leonard: "Melanie, I traced one number back to a Santa Cruz business with a simple internet search, which will remain nameless. I had never talked to this person before, and I'm not sure how they got my number. They were angry that my article is biased toward TJ's opinion...of course it is. The quotes are directly from his mouth, from his perspective."
deb: Magallanes. "when no one names names, and everyone "remains nameless," the power structure stays intact and is very evident . . .people are either protecting themselves from a fear of retaliation or ostracizing, or protecting the ones they know did whatever heinous behavior that they are commenting on. on another note: i thought surfing was supposed to make you mellow . . ."
Adrianna R: "Jim Levy, TBSC is NOT open, it's a closed membership FB group that you have to be approved by TBSC. I know of a recent instance where a longstanding community member was kicked out of TBSC FB group by KA because they asked a question that must have pissed her or another TBSC leader off. I read the question, it was not out of line or even uncomplimentary to TBSC. It was a simple question. The person who was kicked out asked why and ACube told them that TBSC was NOT an open forum (or group). That people who post anything negative (or that a TBSC leader considers negative) will be asked to leave the group. Apparently the only viewpoints TBSC wants to hear are those who agree exactly with TBSC leaders. I did not believe this person's claim until I read the email forwarded to me. Maybe Jim you aren't aware of how TBSC is being really run, in which case I suggest you educate yourself. Otherwise you are just being an apologist for a group that claims to be open and diverse and grassroots, when in fact it's anything but."
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deb May 14, 2013 at 10:13 pm
where is the video and the comments?
deb May 14, 2013 at 10:16 pm
the 75 comments?
AdrianaR May 15, 2013 at 06:01 am
Here is a link to the YouTube video showing Clean Team member poking a homeless man, swearing at him while other CT members are laughing. Really appalling. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UUpGNF_WInE
Lower Ocean Heights May 15, 2013 at 08:49 am
Now, where were we on this? Oh yeah, questionable behavior by a couple of folks trying to clean up after drug addled homeless junkies, questionable journalism that is a hit piece, bad feelings and bruised egos. What else am I missing? Oh that must be it! Cue the ridiculous demands and comments from Robert Norse in 3, 2, 1...
Meanwhile trash and needles abound in our waterways and public spaces.
Robert Norse May 15, 2013 at 08:51 am
My, my, is the power of Take Back Santa Cruz so great it can scare SC Patch ? If the evidence offends, hide it? If the dialogue disturbs, delete it? An innocent technical slip, perhaps? The dog ate the video? Perhaps a Patchie can clear up the confusion...
Brad Kava (Editor) May 15, 2013 at 10:15 am
help...the migrated content hasn't picked up the comments. It's the god of the Internet messing with us. Trying to get it fixed pronto. This is depressing. They say things are migrating at different paces.
Brad Kava (Editor) May 15, 2013 at 10:18 am
I thought it was shaping up to an intelligent discussion. This is killing me.
Robert Norse May 15, 2013 at 11:11 am
Thanks for the clarification, Brad. But do you know why the video would also disappear?
Brad Kava (Editor) May 15, 2013 at 11:18 am
As you can see in the home page...all the videos have disappeared, including the London travel agent I posted yesterday. I think, though, Jeremy privatized the Youtube video because he's getting threats. It's getting ugly out there. So much for free speech.
AdrianaR May 15, 2013 at 11:48 am
This is ridiculous.
I'm sorry but there really needs to be a media expose on TBSC and the so-called Clean Team. It's bad enough that TBSC tosses anyone who disagrees with them. ACube has basically admitted it in that email I read. But now when certain people are caught on tape doing things they shouldn't, the TBSC crew circles the wagons and then threats are issued. Why aren't people who support TBSC calling them out on their actions? Why does TBSC ONLY receive glowing press with no real investigative journalism into who runs the group, how it is not open, diverse. How no other views are tolerated and a very small core group of people dictate the policy and manner of how the group is organized and run?
Brad Kava (Editor) May 15, 2013 at 03:50 pm
Adriana: Those people in the camps were NOT TBSC people. They were another group. In fact, one of them wants to run for city council.
Jim Levy May 15, 2013 at 04:15 pm
Bwahahhahh, Robert. So far your conspiracy theory didn't work. It's everyone elses fault but you, TJ and Jeremy Leonard. We all know TJ was sour grapes and had people who didn't like him. But instead of Jeremy getting the facts, he thought he would smear mud and cause friction between himself and an activated group of people who put their energies into practice. Disappoint Patch would print lies. I expected more.
Clarkie Clark May 15, 2013 at 04:25 pm
What exactly do you think are lies Jim Levy?
Clarkie Clark May 15, 2013 at 04:33 pm
In an attempt to salvage what he could of his group, he asked me to start a new Clean Team page for him so he could continue to carry out his ideas. At that point we both started getting bashed and bullied. The same admin who hijacked his group started threatening me with either a law suit or criminal accusations "I have reported you to the proper authorities" she repeatedly said, apparently for slander in posts that didn't exist. I mentioned this to several people if they could figure out what she was talking about and where these supposed mystery slandering posts were - nobody had a clue. It it wasn't enough to kick Tj off his own group, some of the outspoken TCT ladies started joining our new page to continue beating him up.
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Clarkie Clark May 15, 2013 at 04:33 pm
Tj shared all that was going on during this time. I could never figure out why seemingly everyone was so against him. My 5cent psychiatric conclusion was that not only this group but many official city members might have felt threatened by him and his instant leadership. The city put the other groups in bed with them, but I think they knew they were up against someone who couldn't be bought. In my opinion, both these groups and many more before them are nothing more than voting blocs for the local politicians. I've seen them in action. They are pools to pull from to appoint to "citizens committees" to control them further and keep them under their thumbs. Tj knew this. There is no power among citizens groups and the way they beat people up on FB forums and fight like crazy is pretty bad.
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Clarkie Clark May 15, 2013 at 04:34 pm
Tj is one of the most thoughtful and intelligent human being I have ever come in contact with. It's too bad he got so beat up by "group mentality" (my new phrase). He really needed to get out of Santa Cruz just as I did two years ago.
It's really unfortunate that the city hasn't taken any action on the worsening conditions. They have all the ordinances in place to keep Santa Cruz a wonderful place to invest in, if they'd only enforce them. And the citizens have given them very generous tax increases to work with to fulfill their promise of safety. Citizens groups are their new weapons, as we have seen good, bright people with good ideas get shot down. The city's solution at present? - appoint another "citizens committee." (continued)
Clarkie Clark
May 15, 2013 at 04:34 pm
Truth hurts sometimes, but gratefully there are good, perceptive and honest writers like Jeremy who can throw the truth out there and make it stick. Without truth and respect for each other, I'm afraid Santa Cruz is going to have a civil war.
(the end)
deb May 15, 2013 at 05:10 pm
jeremy is a real person of substance. he has been scapegoated. "shoot the messenger," basically. not cool.
Robert Norse May 15, 2013 at 08:17 pm
Brad: Where is the 75 comment stream?
For those interested, I will be playing an interview with T.J. Magallanes tomorrow on Free Radio Santa Cruz at 6:30 PM. FRSC broadcasts at 101.3 FM and streams at http://tunein.com/radio/FRSC-s47254/
AdrianaR May 15, 2013 at 09:15 pm
Brad, were those people clean team or not? Who was it in the tape both on camera or not?
why are their identities being hidden? Are they the mob or something? Cops? Seriously, what is with this town's hush up mentality?
AdrianaR May 15, 2013 at 09:20 pm
Jim levy, how come you continue the lie that TBSC is an open group.
How come you haven't answered my example of someone who was thrown out of the group last month for simply asking a question that Kristin A didn't like? How come you have no response for the followup explanation from A Cube that TBSC isn't for people who anyone that, in essence the leaders feel aren't following the party line? That's certainly a bit different from all the publicity TBSC puts out in the media. Why is it that you seem focused on Robert Norse and refuse to answer the questions of people who aren't part of any group other than concerned citizens who have been kicked out of TBSC because they think someone is "too liberal" or "too compassionate?"
Jeremy Leonard: "AdrianaR, I shot the vid. I blurred the faces. I will not disclose who they are (unless under extreme circumstances). I think that the vast majority of the Clean Team mean well, they're good people."
Jim Levy: "AdrianaR, This wasn't a TBSC function it was a Clean Team event. Dylan confirmed it yesterday, but the thread was deleted. He also confirmed the difference between the 2 groups. I personally have had no problem posting on the TBSC wall. Then again I like solutions about safety, mainly for my family. I also like some of their broad based posts non safety related too. They have over 5500 member on FB and an awesome website. Why hate? They must be doing something right. There are other groups on Facebook for many different people. Why attack a community group if you don't believe in what they do? Life's too short. I think Norse attaching himself to this story makes me want to support the Clean Team even more." 10:23 PM 5-15.
Robert Norse:
Robert Norse May 15, 2013 at 11:00 pm
Jim: What's your status in the TBSC hierarchy if any?
What specific "safety" solutions other than stepping up police repression in the Drug War and against the homeless and transient population are you in support of? As far as "hate" goes, homeless people whom I interview by the dozen each week for my radio show, report an upsurge in discrimination, police abuse, and public hostility. Does this concern you?
Both Jeremy and T.J. have apparently felt threatened because of their expressed opinions and reportage about The Clean Team and Take Back Santa Cruz.
I have made no secret of my alarm at the TBSC anti-homeless agenda. Encouraging police sweeps of homeless encampments, ramping up the war on drug users outside, attacking homeless service providers, and raising fears falsely linking improper needle disposal with S.O.S. Needle Exchange, has little to do with safety and everything to do with a familiar right-wing fascistic NIMBY agenda. Going after the messenger is also a fascist tactic. Though, I agree, it's used by Democrats and Republicans as well.
When it prompts censorship of violence against vulnerable homeless people and then suppression of the evidence of that violence, I think we've reached a crucial turning point.
Folks who want to criticize or defend this kind of behavior can discuss possible solutions can call in tomorrow at 831-427-3772 at 6:30 PM when I'll be playing the T.J. Magallanes interview on 101.3 FM. For earlier attempts to get TBSC to come clean on the homeless harassment issue see "Same Old Scapegoating" at http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2010/06/02/18649646.php?show_comments=1#18650032
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As if anyone needed more reasons to laugh at that pethetic group. The more time that goes on, the more ridiculous they reveal themselves to be.
On the clean team's facebook I asked Ken if that was him in the video, I was promptly barred. TBSC kicked me off a few weeks back for no good reason. I'm sure plenty of people that are on both those pages are awesome and have great intentions. And picking up trash is great. But to kick me out because I asked a question? And Skinny's still a member? Mr. Collins should probably either defend himself or apologize.
I've seen several members of TBSC say that TCT isn't TBSC and there's no connection. I find this an implausible denial.
-TCT was birthed on the TBSC website, by active TBSC members.
-TBSC prominently promoted the first cleanups by TCT.
-The current TCT administration group (per their fb webpage) is comprised of 4 TBSC members.
-The individual shown making implied threats is an active and current TBSC and TCT member.
-There are 4 or 5 other TCT members in that video who do nothing to stop the guy, or protest his actions. In fact, the opposite, they join in in heckling the guy and intone that "we'll be back.". (And that to me is the most disturbing point. This isn't one rogue guy; it's also tacit approval by the entire group there. Not one person trying to stop the intimidation.).
And so, I find it insulting to my intelligence and completely implausible to have TBSC saying they have nothing to do with this group. HELLO, TBSC? THEY ARE MEMBERS OF YOUR GROUP TOO.
This is the flip-side of Occupy saying it had nothing to do with the 75 Water takeover, even though it was discussed at Occupy meetings by Occupy members who then walked a block away and did the takeover. I didn't accept that attempt at disassociation either.
-TCT was birthed on the TBSC website, by active TBSC members.
-TBSC prominently promoted the first cleanups by TCT.
-The current TCT administration group (per their fb webpage) is comprised of 4 TBSC members.
-The individual shown making implied threats is an active and current TBSC and TCT member.
-There are 4 or 5 other TCT members in that video who do nothing to stop the guy, or protest his actions. In fact, the opposite, they join in in heckling the guy and intone that "we'll be back.". (And that to me is the most disturbing point. This isn't one rogue guy; it's also tacit approval by the entire group there. Not one person trying to stop the intimidation.).
And so, I find it insulting to my intelligence and completely implausible to have TBSC saying they have nothing to do with this group. HELLO, TBSC? THEY ARE MEMBERS OF YOUR GROUP TOO.
This is the flip-side of Occupy saying it had nothing to do with the 75 Water takeover, even though it was discussed at Occupy meetings by Occupy members who then walked a block away and did the takeover. I didn't accept that attempt at disassociation either.
For more information:
http://occupysantacruz.org
This is so feeling like the code blue days.
Google just completed stability enhancements on the video.
http://occupysantacruz.org/2013/05/22/santa-cruz-clean-team-scandal-video/
Enjoy.
http://occupysantacruz.org/2013/05/22/santa-cruz-clean-team-scandal-video/
Enjoy.
For more information:
http://occupysantacruz.org
I might be mistaken but someone who seemed to know who the people were said the guy doing the poking was a surfer dude.
and I thought I recall reading that there was an original version that went up without blurring or voice masking.
and I thought I recall reading that there was an original version that went up without blurring or voice masking.
Ken "Skindog" Collins is the person in the Clean Team video who is seen assaulting the person in the sleeping bag by poking him with the garbage grabber tool. This has been firmly established as fact.
Skindog is/was a local pro-surfer:
"Considered to be “100 percent Westside” and one of Steamer Lane’s royalty, SkinDog is a mighty force on the water. Sure, he’s proven he can push it with “the big boys” locally, but SkinDog’s frenetic, adventurous spirit is downright captivating—watch, and you’ll see. These days, the Santa Cruz native enjoys partaking in the myriad of surf competitions out there and boasts a long list of sports sponsors. After nailing a Mavericks event several years back, his name has generated big buzz in the surf universe."
http://www.gtweekly.com/index.php/good-times-cover-stories/629-ken-skindog-collins.html
Skindog is/was a local pro-surfer:
"Considered to be “100 percent Westside” and one of Steamer Lane’s royalty, SkinDog is a mighty force on the water. Sure, he’s proven he can push it with “the big boys” locally, but SkinDog’s frenetic, adventurous spirit is downright captivating—watch, and you’ll see. These days, the Santa Cruz native enjoys partaking in the myriad of surf competitions out there and boasts a long list of sports sponsors. After nailing a Mavericks event several years back, his name has generated big buzz in the surf universe."
http://www.gtweekly.com/index.php/good-times-cover-stories/629-ken-skindog-collins.html
IF that is him, this post is more timely and shoes he certainly had the motive to be the bully pictured in the video.
http://www.cabvoice.com/2013/03/21/crime-homelessness-fuel-debate-take-back-santa-cruz/
http://www.cabvoice.com/2013/03/21/crime-homelessness-fuel-debate-take-back-santa-cruz/
The video of the Santa Cruz Clean Team member prodding a camper with a trash grabber was moved from the comments section to the body of the article, and can now be found here: http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2013/05/15/18736901.php#18737139
Though I didn't do it, the interview with T.J. has been restored at http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2013/05/22/18737249.php . I guess that's obvious since the story itself is now a main story posted in the middle (and currently at the top) of the indybay webpage and there's a direct link to "Interview with SC Clean Team founder TJ Magallanes" following the summary of that story.
I believe the interview and the video to both be real and authentic, though I wasn't present for either. Ray's speculations are just that--speculations--which happen to be plausible, but aren't true in this situation. I can state with some assurance that the video is what it appears to be.
I've received an e-mail from Brad Kava, honcho of SC Patch, suggesting that he didn't remove either the video a week ago or the whole T.J. interview more recently, since all material is now, he says controlled by the writer.
This indicates to me that the writer must be under extreme pressure--which further alarms me.
I'm hoping to directly approach the individual whose face is blurred and ask for his perspective as well as that of others who were part of the Clean Team doing the Harassment Clean Up. Both to clarify what went on and to get some reassurance that TCT and TBSC will not be repeating this sort of behavior in the future.
Unfortunately the hatred and prejudice preached is already doing its toxic work.
The real issue, of course, is the hysteria created by the phony "Public Safety" scare created by these reactionary groups, mainstream media, the SCPD, Santa Cruz Neighbors, and other gentrifiers as part of their anti-drug anti-homeless agenda. And the danger lies in increased hostility generated by this hysteria.
I"m getting reports of overt verbal attacks on homeless people by otherwise rational seeming middle class people. At yesterday's HUFF meeting, one well-dressed homeless guy reported several incidents he observed and two he experienced of a woman telling him to get out of town, another father pointing out homeless people to his children near the courthouse in the benchlands and describing them as pedophiles.
It is important for those who have video phones or other equipment to document this kind of behavior and post it as it happens. If you can get the license plates or clear video of folks engaging in this kind of harassment it may serve to deter it in the future and establish the true public safety crisis that is being generated and aggravated by the Take Back Santa Cruz campaign, being forarded at Council by the Robinson-Comstock faction.
I'd also suggest reporting such incidents to the police and videoing or otherwise documenting your reports (with witnesses, for instance) so that if your complaints are ignored, you have evidence you made them--both for the general public and potentially for other out-of-the-area agencies who take these things more seriously.
I believe the interview and the video to both be real and authentic, though I wasn't present for either. Ray's speculations are just that--speculations--which happen to be plausible, but aren't true in this situation. I can state with some assurance that the video is what it appears to be.
I've received an e-mail from Brad Kava, honcho of SC Patch, suggesting that he didn't remove either the video a week ago or the whole T.J. interview more recently, since all material is now, he says controlled by the writer.
This indicates to me that the writer must be under extreme pressure--which further alarms me.
I'm hoping to directly approach the individual whose face is blurred and ask for his perspective as well as that of others who were part of the Clean Team doing the Harassment Clean Up. Both to clarify what went on and to get some reassurance that TCT and TBSC will not be repeating this sort of behavior in the future.
Unfortunately the hatred and prejudice preached is already doing its toxic work.
The real issue, of course, is the hysteria created by the phony "Public Safety" scare created by these reactionary groups, mainstream media, the SCPD, Santa Cruz Neighbors, and other gentrifiers as part of their anti-drug anti-homeless agenda. And the danger lies in increased hostility generated by this hysteria.
I"m getting reports of overt verbal attacks on homeless people by otherwise rational seeming middle class people. At yesterday's HUFF meeting, one well-dressed homeless guy reported several incidents he observed and two he experienced of a woman telling him to get out of town, another father pointing out homeless people to his children near the courthouse in the benchlands and describing them as pedophiles.
It is important for those who have video phones or other equipment to document this kind of behavior and post it as it happens. If you can get the license plates or clear video of folks engaging in this kind of harassment it may serve to deter it in the future and establish the true public safety crisis that is being generated and aggravated by the Take Back Santa Cruz campaign, being forarded at Council by the Robinson-Comstock faction.
I'd also suggest reporting such incidents to the police and videoing or otherwise documenting your reports (with witnesses, for instance) so that if your complaints are ignored, you have evidence you made them--both for the general public and potentially for other out-of-the-area agencies who take these things more seriously.
I don't know who the fuck 'skindog' is except for his claim to fame as a Mavericks surfer among thousands who have surfed there over the years, but he's much too busy hassling campers and druggies, and in no way as active in Santa Cruz community as"Flea", who's actually attempting to do something constructive about "druggies in Santa Cruz".
http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/santa-cruz/Santa-Cruz-surfer-Flea-needs-house-for-FleaHab/-/5738976/18068574/-/4naqps/-/index.html
http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/santa-cruz/Santa-Cruz-surfer-Flea-needs-house-for-FleaHab/-/5738976/18068574/-/4naqps/-/index.html
October 27, 1984 Associated Press (AP) Santa Cruz, California
I was around and honestly I didn't really note that much activity by the much-touted 'trollbusters', who, as any sort of coherent 'unit' or contiguous group, just didn't exist. Just like now they were simply disaffected territorial high school kids. I think the attacks have actually increased over the years, but it's really hard to tell 'personal gripes turning into fights' from ostensibly random attacks (I don't consider personal fights over issues known to both parties to be 'trollbusting').
But overall, at that time, they were really inconsequential compared to the "Code Blue" SCPD goons.
The trollbusters weren't the gentry's avenging angels, they were teenage pond scum without tactics or strategy beyond rat packing.
Most of their 'busting' revolved around hippies competing with them for their drug turf (usually the 'hippies' weren't aware of the turf related nature of the attacks) with an occasional wino thugged because winos are ALWAYS easy targets.
(Which is why drinking in public is frowned upon... The drunk becomes a victim of predators and much more serious crimes... A lot more serious than wobbling around in public.)
The only really tragic thing I remember the Trollbuster kids doing was throwing Raul the sun worshipper, a harmless elderly Chicano, to his death off the flyway to San Lorenzo Park. They (a different group of 'they') also jumped a friend of mine (over pot dealing turf) and did the same. He lost an eye but survived.
The ones who murdered Raul did CYA time over but I do not know what became of them.
But overall, at that time, they were really inconsequential compared to the "Code Blue" SCPD goons.
The trollbusters weren't the gentry's avenging angels, they were teenage pond scum without tactics or strategy beyond rat packing.
Most of their 'busting' revolved around hippies competing with them for their drug turf (usually the 'hippies' weren't aware of the turf related nature of the attacks) with an occasional wino thugged because winos are ALWAYS easy targets.
(Which is why drinking in public is frowned upon... The drunk becomes a victim of predators and much more serious crimes... A lot more serious than wobbling around in public.)
The only really tragic thing I remember the Trollbuster kids doing was throwing Raul the sun worshipper, a harmless elderly Chicano, to his death off the flyway to San Lorenzo Park. They (a different group of 'they') also jumped a friend of mine (over pot dealing turf) and did the same. He lost an eye but survived.
The ones who murdered Raul did CYA time over but I do not know what became of them.
http://www.ksbw.com/news/central-california/santa-cruz/controversial-video-of-clean-team-goes-viral/-/5738976/20299488/-/deifhnz/-/index.html
lol@ Analicia Cube saying this is not how Take Back Santa Cruz operates.
lol@ Analicia Cube saying this is not how Take Back Santa Cruz operates.
THat KSBW piece was comical. Here's my Hollywood salute to the gals of CT/TBSC
My Academy Award for worst acting performance by an activist goes to....
ANALICIA Cube for her performance in pretending to be watching the CLeanTeam Viral Video for the first time!!! (I LOVED the gaping open mouth technique. Great for catching flies, not so good in trying to convey realistic shock!)
And my Academy Award for worst lie about your organization's real agenda goes to....Brooke Crumpton for her claim that the group isn't anti-homeless.
And lastly, the Academy Award for lamest excuse in not intervening in aggressive behavior by a fellow activist goes to.... Lisa Litten for her claim that she couldn't do anything about the dude verbally abusing and poking at the homeless guy. (Hey Lisa, how about next time yelling across the creek, "Knock it the fuck off Skindog!")
******
So, finally mainstream media covers the video.
I notice though they made NO mention of the other people in the video yelling at the homeless. No reference to the audio of some guy other than surfer guy, calling the homeless "parasites."
And I notice no one was asked to comment other than CT/TBSC gals.
My Academy Award for worst acting performance by an activist goes to....
ANALICIA Cube for her performance in pretending to be watching the CLeanTeam Viral Video for the first time!!! (I LOVED the gaping open mouth technique. Great for catching flies, not so good in trying to convey realistic shock!)
And my Academy Award for worst lie about your organization's real agenda goes to....Brooke Crumpton for her claim that the group isn't anti-homeless.
And lastly, the Academy Award for lamest excuse in not intervening in aggressive behavior by a fellow activist goes to.... Lisa Litten for her claim that she couldn't do anything about the dude verbally abusing and poking at the homeless guy. (Hey Lisa, how about next time yelling across the creek, "Knock it the fuck off Skindog!")
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So, finally mainstream media covers the video.
I notice though they made NO mention of the other people in the video yelling at the homeless. No reference to the audio of some guy other than surfer guy, calling the homeless "parasites."
And I notice no one was asked to comment other than CT/TBSC gals.
We encourage you to view our video presentation below.
We've been all through the woods and have seen the camps and have met personally with dozens of homeless campers of all stripes. We've traveled to several other cities with homeless problems similar to Santa Cruz and have documented what they've done to successfully address their problem.
We're happy to share our evidence rich solutions with you.
Please view the Santa Cruz Sanctuary Camp video presentation below.
We've been all through the woods and have seen the camps and have met personally with dozens of homeless campers of all stripes. We've traveled to several other cities with homeless problems similar to Santa Cruz and have documented what they've done to successfully address their problem.
We're happy to share our evidence rich solutions with you.
Please view the Santa Cruz Sanctuary Camp video presentation below.
For more information:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tBWhgjXrKaY
Local Cleanup Group Draws Controversy
http://www.santacruz.com/news/2013/06/11/local_cleanup_group_draws_controversy
"Meanwhile, the Clean Team has indeed found itself the center of one controversy, after a recent online video captured an altercation at Carbonero Creek between a homeless man and Clean Team volunteer Ken Collins."
"In the video, Collins stands over the prone transient man, swearing at him, telling him to pick up his trash and poking him with a metal stick."
http://www.santacruz.com/news/2013/06/11/local_cleanup_group_draws_controversy
"Meanwhile, the Clean Team has indeed found itself the center of one controversy, after a recent online video captured an altercation at Carbonero Creek between a homeless man and Clean Team volunteer Ken Collins."
"In the video, Collins stands over the prone transient man, swearing at him, telling him to pick up his trash and poking him with a metal stick."
Though I didn't take the video nor transcribe this record, I believe it comes from a trustworthy source:
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MARCH 13th Clean Team at Carbonera Creek video
Ken Collins: Are they stolen? They’re yours? You brought these? Is that all your garbage laying around in the river and all around you? You want some bags to help pick it up?
Man in Sleeping Bag: I’ve got a bunch of trash bags.
Ken Collins: Well, fuckin' put the trash in the bags, dipshit!
Man in Sleeping Bag: I do!
Ken Collins: No you don’t
Ken Collins: So right now we’re at one of these encampments, and you can see they're not living a really clean life style; they don't really care about the environment They're leaving junk everywhere. They're throwing garbage. They're throwing needles everywhere. They just ignore us. They don't care.
Hello, I’m talking to you. (pokes man in a red sleeping bag with a long 'trash clutcher'). I want to ask you some questions."
Man in Sleeping bag: Don’t touch me! (visibly disturbed) You got a lighter?
Ken Collins: No I don't have a lighter. I've got some garbage bags if you want to help...
Man in Sleeping Bag: Want me to come to your house and start picking through your shit?
Ken Collins: You probably do. You probably come and pick shit out of my fucin’ driveway and my bikes and my skateboards all the time.
Male Clean Team Member: You already took my wetsuit.
Man in Sleeping Bag: Well, you guys have a nice day.
Ken Collins: We are trying to. But this is not what we wanted to do on a Saturday. I want to ask you, what you what do think we could do....
Man in bag: You’re not getting any more answers out of me.
Female Clean Team Member 1: Please help us, dude.
Ken Collins: What happens if ah....Fuck, dude it can get pretty gnarly dude, I know some guys who want to fuck you guys up.
(Clean Team members laughing and heckling in the background)
Ken Collins: Where you from? If you were from here, you'd have a little more respect for the environment, I assume. So you just steal every night, get your junk, and just leave garbage everywhere. Is that how you work? Do you have any respect for yourself? I mean seriously...
Female Clean Team Member 2: Where did you steal that Santa Cruz hat from? You wear that Santa Cruz hat with pride, and you do this in Santa Cruz?
Female Clean Team Member 1: Thanks for helping us out.
Ken Collins: You don't pick up your garbage. I mean look at this fucking mess.
Female Clean Team Member 3: This isn’t going to last much longer.
Female Clean Team Member 1: We’ll be coming back.
Female Clean Team Member 4: I’ll come back every day!
Female Clean Team Member 2: I’m sick of parasites destroying the beauty of this place.
Female Clean Team Member 1: We can’t even bring our kids down here.
Ken Collins: I say just we just get a bucket and throw water on him.
TRANSCRIPT OF THE MARCH 13th Clean Team at Carbonera Creek video
Ken Collins: Are they stolen? They’re yours? You brought these? Is that all your garbage laying around in the river and all around you? You want some bags to help pick it up?
Man in Sleeping Bag: I’ve got a bunch of trash bags.
Ken Collins: Well, fuckin' put the trash in the bags, dipshit!
Man in Sleeping Bag: I do!
Ken Collins: No you don’t
Ken Collins: So right now we’re at one of these encampments, and you can see they're not living a really clean life style; they don't really care about the environment They're leaving junk everywhere. They're throwing garbage. They're throwing needles everywhere. They just ignore us. They don't care.
Hello, I’m talking to you. (pokes man in a red sleeping bag with a long 'trash clutcher'). I want to ask you some questions."
Man in Sleeping bag: Don’t touch me! (visibly disturbed) You got a lighter?
Ken Collins: No I don't have a lighter. I've got some garbage bags if you want to help...
Man in Sleeping Bag: Want me to come to your house and start picking through your shit?
Ken Collins: You probably do. You probably come and pick shit out of my fucin’ driveway and my bikes and my skateboards all the time.
Male Clean Team Member: You already took my wetsuit.
Man in Sleeping Bag: Well, you guys have a nice day.
Ken Collins: We are trying to. But this is not what we wanted to do on a Saturday. I want to ask you, what you what do think we could do....
Man in bag: You’re not getting any more answers out of me.
Female Clean Team Member 1: Please help us, dude.
Ken Collins: What happens if ah....Fuck, dude it can get pretty gnarly dude, I know some guys who want to fuck you guys up.
(Clean Team members laughing and heckling in the background)
Ken Collins: Where you from? If you were from here, you'd have a little more respect for the environment, I assume. So you just steal every night, get your junk, and just leave garbage everywhere. Is that how you work? Do you have any respect for yourself? I mean seriously...
Female Clean Team Member 2: Where did you steal that Santa Cruz hat from? You wear that Santa Cruz hat with pride, and you do this in Santa Cruz?
Female Clean Team Member 1: Thanks for helping us out.
Ken Collins: You don't pick up your garbage. I mean look at this fucking mess.
Female Clean Team Member 3: This isn’t going to last much longer.
Female Clean Team Member 1: We’ll be coming back.
Female Clean Team Member 4: I’ll come back every day!
Female Clean Team Member 2: I’m sick of parasites destroying the beauty of this place.
Female Clean Team Member 1: We can’t even bring our kids down here.
Ken Collins: I say just we just get a bucket and throw water on him.
Kim Gardner of TBSC pointed the finger at SC Clean Team admin Chrissy Brown as being the one in the Clean Team video that called the homeless guy that Ken Collins poked a "parasite" while he yelled at him.
Kim Gardner said this in the Facebook group Citizens for a Better Santa Cruz:
"That video is an example of frustration gone horribly wrong. Chrissy Brown was the person in the background yelling that the man was a "parasite". Yes, it was shocking. And it still is. Ken has apologized for his actions profusely. Is this enough? It's better than denial. And hopefully it's made him more humble."
http://www.facebook.com/groups/463105420413280/permalink/581165281940626/
Kim Gardner said this in the Facebook group Citizens for a Better Santa Cruz:
"That video is an example of frustration gone horribly wrong. Chrissy Brown was the person in the background yelling that the man was a "parasite". Yes, it was shocking. And it still is. Ken has apologized for his actions profusely. Is this enough? It's better than denial. And hopefully it's made him more humble."
http://www.facebook.com/groups/463105420413280/permalink/581165281940626/
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