Armed Citizens Confront Nazi Checkpoint

thanks for doing this, and thanks for posting

^^This is not a legit post. The poster is part of the sovereign movement. They're right-wing. They're fascists. Many are Nazis. Look at the video for context. These people want revolution... a right-wing fascist revolution. Look up "sovereign movement" on Google.

@Mother Muckraker, WTF? So some wacko group has used the words "sovereign" and "free man" in the past, so that makes the post racist? LOL I have absolutely no association with that so-called "movement." The name just asserts my individuality and independence from the police state and sounded cool, but maybe I'll pick something different next time. We were out their protesting a checkpoint which is known to target immigrants, so what "context" are you talking about? Hella stupid.

This is no different than the Bay Area National Anarchists (BANA) who are ostensibly "Anarchists", but they're really Nazis who are recruiting ignorant kids into their white supremacist group.

In your case, you're trying (in vain cuz you suck) to get pro-immigration activists sidetracked by muddying up the waters with anti-immigration ideology. You're conflating Nazi checkpoints with DUI checkpoints to drum up some outrage and then support for a right-wing cause that's really anti-immigration.

This vid of yours is bullshit. Ron Paul supporters are not pro-immigrant anymore than people who open carry are pro-immigration supporters. In fact, open carry fascist Tea Party Ron Paul fucktards are explicitly anti-immigration and racist.

So lets take a look at your bullshit again...

Open carry
Why do you need to protect yourself.... in Livermore? Who are you protecting yourself from? The only fools who protest by parading around with firearms holstered are right-wing nut cases/Tea Party/fascists. They're the modern day Nazi SS who were nothing more than thugs with a license to kill.

Ron Paul
This guy used to be explicitly anti-semetic. Since he ran for Prez, he's toned it down quite a bit. But central to his ideology, is his libertarianism or more accurately, "Ayn Randism". He even named his son after that piece of shit. Note how Rand Paul is dismantling social programs, his anti-labor attacks and especially his position on illegal immigration. Basically, the "fr33dom" advocated by Ron Paul has to do with corporate freedom to exploit our resources and labor any way they wish. As far as people are concerned, they will be subservient to the corporate state and will have no freedom. And YOU expect anyone to believe that you're defending illegal immigrant rights with your support of Ron Paul? That's bullshit. Who are the real Nazis here?

Fuck the Tea Party, Sovereigns and whatever fascist groups
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tutOJl7AFNM

Personally, I don't give a fuck what you think, Muckraker. It's very disappointing that you refuse to be open minded and refuse to judge this action based on FACTS rather than emotion and baseless conclusions. But since you're attacking the people involved on a public forum, I want to set a few things straight.

Muckraker said: "In your case, you're trying (in vain cuz you suck) to get pro-immigration activists sidetracked by muddying up the waters with anti-immigration ideology. You're conflating Nazi checkpoints with DUI checkpoints to drum up some outrage and then support for a right-wing cause that's really anti-immigration."

What "anti-immigration ideology" is being promoted by protesting "show me your papers" checkpoints? The video is squarely focused on the fact that any form of checkpoint violates human rights by subjecting individuals to warrantless search and seizure. It seems like you take the pig position on this issue and object to our comparison of DUI checkpoints to Nazi checkpoints. They are no different! Research the facts and you will find that undocumented immigrants are BY FAR the most victimized by these for-profit operations.

Muckraker said: "This vid of yours is bullshit. Ron Paul supporters are not pro-immigrant anymore than people who open carry are pro-immigration supporters. In fact, open carry fascist Tea Party Ron Paul fucktards are explicitly anti-immigration and racist."

You are going to the extreme with stereotypes and combining issues that are completely unrelated. Did anyone even mention Ron Paul in the video? No! I fully admit that there are OTHER videos on the YouTube channel that include Ron Paul and that many Ron Paul supporters are anti-checkpoint. Personally, I support his ideas on foreign policy and ending the war on drugs, but I happen to disagree with his position on immigration. It is a Non sequitur fallacy to say that the entire action is anti-immigrant because someone involved likes Ron Paul. BTW, Rand Paul is a douche except for his filibuster of the Patriot Act.

Muckraker says: "Open carry* Why do you need to protect yourself.... in Livermore? Who are you protecting yourself from? The only fools who protest by parading around with firearms holstered are right-wing nut cases/Tea Party/fascists. They're the modern day Nazi SS who were nothing more than thugs with a license to kill. "

We are protecting ourselves from the pigs and asserting our rights. Apparently, you are not familiar with Huey P Newton and the Black Panther Party for Self Defense?!? LOL We got this idea from them! The panthers used to have copwatch patrols in Oakland and Richmond.. When they heard a dispatch call, they would rush to the scene with LOADED rifles in hand and inform other citizens of their rights. They had guns to put them on an equal playing field with the pigs in case of police brutality. I admire them for that. Please have at least an elementary understanding of an issue before making wild accusations that make you look like an idiot.

Source: http://www.pbs.org/hueypnewton/actions/actions_capitolmarch.html

To be honest, Muckraker smells like a pig. The Feds have used the infiltrate and divide strategy to circumvent effective actions since COINTELPRO in the 1960's. Coincidentally, the COINTELPRO documents indicate that the FBI sought to work against self-defense within the Black Nationalist movement and other groups (just like Muckraker). Source: http://whatreallyhappened.com/RANCHO/POLITICS/COINTELPRO/COINTELPRO-FBI.docs.html

Also, support for Gun Control and opposition to self defense have traditionally been positions of racists and pigs. See below:

EXECUTIVE MANDATE #1 OF THE BLACK PANTHER PARTY - Huey P Newton "The Black Panther Party for Self-Defense calls upon the American people in general and the black people in particular to take careful note of the racist California Legislature which is now considering legislation aimed at keeping the black people disarmed and powerless at the very same time that racist police agencies throughout the country are intensifying the terror, brutality, murder, and repression of black people....The Black Panther Party for Self-defense believes that the time has come for black people to arm themselves against this terror before it is too late. The pending Mulford Act brings the hour of doom one step nearer. A people who have suffered so much for so long at the hands of a racist society, must draw the line somewhere. We believe that the black communities of America must rise up as one man to halt the progression of a trend that leads inevitably to their total destruction."

"The Black Panther Party since its inception has always used the weapon of example to educate the masses. When the Minister of Defense, Huey P. Newton, sent a delegation of armed Panthers to the California state Capitol this was a process of educating the people by example that Blacks did not have their rights guaranteed by the constitution to bear arms in defense of their lives against racist mobs of fascists in or out of uniform. So that Huey P. Newton made the statement "an unarmed people are either enslaved or subjected to slavery at any given time." - David Hilliard, The Ideology of the Black Panther Party (8th November, 1969)

...oh, and one more thing! 3 out of 6 of the individuals protesting the nazi checkpoint were Latino. Muckraker must know about some self-loathing latino nazi group that no one else has heard of before. LMAO

NOTE: I changed my name so paranoid people, like Muckraker, won't confuse me with a group of wackos from Michigan that has been defunct since the 1990s.

LIE: You got the idea from the Black Panthers

You called it "open carry" which comes from the Tea Party fascists. Do you know what fascism is?

There's a huge distinction between white folks carrying unloaded firearms and blacks folks carrying firearms who are the oppressed minority. This country is ruled by old white men. When white folks "open carry", it's a sign of defiance AGAINST human rights and a stand in solidarity with the white establishment to keep the minorities in check. When black folks carry guns, it's a sign they want justice and are defending themselves against the system and fighting against the system that oppresses them AS BLACK PEOPLE. And THAT is the part of the context I'm talking about.

LIE: 3 of 6 protesters were "Latino" which means you are not racist.

There are always "house slaves" who make sure nothing happens to the da mastah of da plantation because they enjoy the special priviledge of working in da mastahs housing cleaning his toilet. Some people have a "i'm gettin mine" mentality and they try extra hard to keep things the way it is. They are selfish and ignorant. At the last couple May Days in S.F., the Minutemen protest had several black folks on their side. It does not make the Minutemen any less racist nor the black folks who support the minutemen any less ignorant.

And look back at your posts..... YOU were the one who used the word "racist" first.

LIE: One video is unrelated to other videos made by the same person.

Did you take a look at my vids? Did you notice the political and social consistancy? Your vids (or whoever made them) are consistent also. Ron Paul is explicitely anti-immigration and any vids made in support of Ron Paul has an anti-immigrant stance as well.


LIE: Tea Party, Ron Paul, Open Carry, Sovereign Movement are completely unrelated

The "open carry" people are always at Tea Party rallies and they all love Ron Paul. It's not a stereotype. It's a fact. They are fascists who function like the Nazi SS. The Nazi SS were made up of thugs with no future. The Nazis deputized these thugs and gave them a reason for being. They had a license to kill.

The "Sovereigns" are revolutionaries who are anti-government who want their own government and the try and print their own money for currency and hate "pigs" too.

LIE: Muckraker smells like a pig.

Just look at my vids. My vids are not objective at all. Any "pro-PIG" vids on there? Did you notice what was on my vid about the Black Panthers?

LIE: Not "sovereign citizens movement"

open carry, Ron Paul, "citizens", "Armed citizens" , Sovr3gn Fr33man......
Sovereigns are revolutionaries. They are right-wing. Their line dovetails nicely with the Koch Brother's/Ayn Rand/Ron Paul view that government should be small or eliminated so that corporations can be free to exploit our resources and labor.

Right-wing revolutionaries hate pigs too and they are in opposition to a government here in the U.S. that is NOT OPPRESSIVE ENOUGH.
http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-report/browse-all-issues/2010/fall/sovereign-citizen-kane

LIE: Sovereigns defunct since the 70's

http://www.splcenter.org/get-informed/intelligence-files/ideology/sovereign-citizens-movement



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If you were so "pro-immigration", what do you think of Russell Pierce who introduced SB1070? What do you think of Russell Pierce's buddy JT Ready? What do you think of JT Ready and his neo-Nazi crew patrolling the borders with loaded firearms? What do you think of the writer of SB1070 who is a member of FAIR? What do you think of Shawna Forde, who was a member of FAIR who killed 9 yr. old Bresenia Flores and her father? What do you think of the Pioneer Fund who funded FAIR who was also behind Prop 187 in CA back in the 90s? Do you know what the Pioneer Fund does and their history? What do you think about the how people are rounded up in Arizona at their workplaces and homes and deported to Mexico and separated from their kids here in the U.S.?

It's what you don't talk about when you claim to be "pro-immigration". People who are pro-immigration talk about these things. You don't. Instead, you post right-wing propaganda to confused the uninitiated.

To be honest, I wasn't expecting the Spanish inquisition for posting on Indybay. It's amazing how much you hate me, when you know so little about me. Believe it or not, everyone doesn't fit into a box of pre-set ideas or into one of two diametrically opposed groups. There are a variety of opinions on the best approach to remove the wealthy aristocracy that controls the corporations and the government and establish real democracy. We probably disagree on some issues, but that doesn't mean we can't work together.

The reality is that I don't support corporate enslavement. Corporate tow companies actually share in the revenue generated from the checkpoints that we protest.

I don't support the Koch Brothers. They use predator capitalism and collude with government officials to take over public services.

I haven't read much of Ayn Rand, so I'm not a fan.

I don't support the Tea Party. They are just a shill for the GOP.

I am not "right-wing."

I have worked against SB 1070 and strongly oppose it or anything like it. Russel Pierce is a scumbag. I'm not familiar with JT Ready.

Shawna Forde is a depraved murderer.

Prop 187 was before my time, but I don't support the concept.

Never even heard of the "Pioneer Fund."

I definitely don't support rounding up immigrants or anyone else deporting them. These people are just trying to make a better life for their family... Just like my family did. The U.S exploits the resources of other countries and supports corruption to maintain a large slave labor workforce abroad. Why wouldn't they try to escape from that? For something to be crime, there must be a victim. Immigration is not a crime and immigrants are not criminals; they are victims. The international corporations and the U.S government are the real criminals in this issue.

1) The Ron Paul vids I mentioned earlier have been deleted. But it's too bad "fr33man's" acknowledgement of it is still up on this message thread.

2) goldengateminutemen, the fascists who are to the right of Republicans mentions onedavetoomany in this vid:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SaMo0hLzrt4

Do a search for "onedavetoomany", the guy who posted the original vid. and you can see 2 "open carry" vids and one to goldengateminutemen
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=onedavetoomany

"Uploaded by GoldenGateMinutemen on Sep 14, 2008

"In California, Alameda County Republican Central Committee Chairman SUES public voter elected volunteers! HE doesn't know the details of his lawsuit or even have a copy of it. At a committee meeting he gets caught in a lie, then he denies and derails any attempt to discuss the matter with the voter elected members! Please SEE the OneDaveTooMany Channel for more segments!"

But onedavetoomany has erased the Support Ron Paul segments now!!

And I doubt there are any "Latinos" as you claim on your vid. All I see and hear are white boys and girls trying to make something out of nothing. Doesn't matter anyways cuz its all a lie.

So..... you're just a minuteman/fascist/sovereign/successionist/"dont tread on me"/right-wing kook trying to worm your way into the left. And no... there's no "working together" with fascist pigs like you.