La Onda Bajita Archives being Kept from the Public@kpfa.org

I went and looked at the public archives. Music-heavy shows fall off after two weeks, while shows that are almost exclusively News/discussion remain publicly available. How is this an attack on La Onda Bajita?

On the website, the show describes itself as "Lowrider soul.... a mix of barrio oldies and raza knowledge." Oldies means "music", right? A significant part of the show, La Onda Bajita, is comprised of music. Not just 30 seconds of music. Or a minute or two. But quite a bit of time. So, regardless of what department it's in within KPFA, the FCC folks are going to see it as a music program.

"tell management to practice fair policies and not to attack people of colors show"

How is this an attack against "people of colors show"? Is it only the music shows hosted by persons of color that aren't available after two weeks? Didn't look like that, to me. I only found a couple of music-oriented shows available on the archives from > 2 weeks ago... there's probably more, but I just happened to notice these. One was Dead To The World, a show that plays music (Grateful Dead or other recent "Jam Bands") from bands that explicitly allow recording, trading, and broadcast of their performances. The other was a Hard Knock Radio special featuring music of Q-Tip (probably got specific permission from Q-Tip's management).

Essentially, you are accusing the KPFA management of being a bunch of racists. But you're not offering any evidence. The claims you make are easily shown to be false. Not just mistaken, but "untrue." As in... it kind of looks like you are lying.


"La onda bajita should not be singled out..."

LOB being is NOT being singled out. The policy is applied to all the music programs, unless a specific broadcast falls within a clear exception to the FCC rules.


"La onda bajita should not be singled out along with other programs who have been singled out as well."

That's not being "singled out," is it? It's a policy that affects a whole group of programs because they play a significant amount of music. And MUSIC is what unites those shows. It's not based upon the skin color of the hosts.


"The show is only once a week for two hours, which doesn’t take up much space compared to daily programming"

As far as I can tell, this is a non-issue. In fact, if space on a computer was the issue, then it would be the daily programming that they'd drop from the archives first! It seems like you're just making this up.


"We at la onda bajita demand our archives not be held hostage..."

Are you saying that YOU -- "the Co producer of the program" -- are being denied internal access to your old shows? Or are you just complaining that they're not publicly available after two weeks?


"...we need la onda bajita to have more archival space..."

Why? Why do you need more space? If it's really so important to you, then maybe you should just archive the shows on your own website? Or, since it's the music that's such a problem with the FCC, then why don't you go back and edit out all those "oldies" that you play, and just leave in the discussions. Then there won't be any legal issues. That wouldn't be very hard, at all. You could do it on the computer quite easily using Audacity (which is free), CoolEdit, Soundforge, or whatever.


"We... hope you can understand how this doesn't make sense to our community."

What I don't understand is how you can claim to speak for the whole community, claiming it doesn't make sense to any of them. And what community it that, anyway? Do you speak for all "lowriders," like in your show description? Or do you speak for all of "the Raza"? Or perhaps for all people of color? It must be hard to walk with balls that big.


"Thanks to all those who support a change at KPFA, and to those who support and see the need to have fair, and transparent policies being applied at KPFA."

From what I can see, hear, and read, the policies are rather clear, and are being applied fairly within KPFA. The policy itself is not the choice of KPFA, but was imposed by the FCC (the Federal Gov't). If anything, KPFA and Pacifica appear to doing their best to push the policy's boundaries in favor of programmers. Rather than adhering strictly to the rule, they've instead made a calculation as to how far they can break it without getting sued.

As for programmers who accuse the station management of racism, yet provide absolutely no evidence of it...
On that point, I do support a change at KPFA. I support that those programmers should be shown the door and be told not to come back.

Checked the archives further...

La Raza Chronicles is available from the public archive stretching all the way back to January 2004, when KPFA first began the service.

Other shows with years of programs available from the archives include:

Africa Today.
Voices of the Middle East.
Apex Express.
Bay Native Circle.
Hard Knock Radio.
Radio 2050.

Each of these shows are by and about people of color.

Doesn't sound very racist, to me. Station management is not targeting people of color.

Sounds more like they're just implementing a policy you don't like, so you're whining about it and falsely claiming that they're racists. That is seriously fucked up.

Here you go folks just in case you haven't seen this on indybay.org, and i am sure i can find more. Once again we are asking for kpfa to leave the archives up more than 14 days like all the rest of the arts and cultural programs since that is the category we are under. All the show the person mentions in his comments also play music in their programing as well, and our focus is making all our archives available to the public yes.

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/06/10/18601264.php

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/05/14/18594819.php

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/06/09/18601170.php

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/06/09/18601188.php

Therefore, to make it clear we are not calling anybody a racist, and just want the archives available for the public after 14 days. thanks to all those who are in support of making this difference, and recognize the importance of La Onda Bajita as a tool to organize through. Don't let the negativity get to you, and please continue to support. We will be attacked from all sides, and levels but as long as we focus on having a positive outlook "si se puede". Please remember to be respectful even too those who believe differently about what is going inside of KPFA, and how it could really affect our future if we let it continue. Respect,

Wow! A series of links that make it look as if you really have a LOT of information. Let's see if any of it clears up your claim that KPFA management is "singling out" and "attacking [your] people of colors show."

First Link: Staff changes at WBAI in New York. Bad, but not at all relevant to your issue.

Second Link: Former LSB-member claims that there has been a multi-station conspiracy to allow WBAI to spend their own funds as they see fit, in violation of certain guidelines, and that WBAI is now in financial trouble. Are these details true? Hard to tell. They are simply asserted as fact by someone who seeks to regain his previous elected position on the LSB, or maybe to get an even higher position. That doesn't mean he is wrong, or deluded, or lying... but it doesn't mean he's not, either. Also, this still appears to have absolutely NOTHING to do with La Onda Bajita (and other music shows) not getting more of their old shows archived.

Third Link: Things are messed up at WBAI in New York. Juan Gonzalez and Amy Goodman both agree. Yes, probably quite messed up. We should act upon that. Ummm... How is that relevant in ANY way to your complaint that KPFA won't archive your Music&Culture show for more than two weeks?

Fourth Link: One side says it's a sectarian takeover that has implemented "programming [that] has become so narrow, strident, and amateurish that their listener, and thus financial base, has sharply eroded." And that if this continues, KPFA and Pacifica will "become the broadcast arm of the We Have All The ANSWERS Coalition." In response to these charges there is a diatribe from a dogmatic Leninist who believes that "KPFA is just another bourgeois radio station." There is also the exact same letter from the guy from the Second Link, above. Once again, NO clear relevance to your complaint.

NONE of the links were relevant to your complaint. Not even a little. It sounds to me like you are stirring up additional bullshit right at the very time that some tense, difficult issues are being played out. Maybe you're trying to make one side look bad. Or you're trying to manipulate them to do whatever it is you want so that they might win your support in this current fight. I don't know. But you haven't provided ANY evidence to support your claims. You didn't do it the first time. And now, with your Big Chance to clarify these very inflammatory claims you've made, you've again offered precisely NOTHING.


"All the show the person mentions in his comments also play music in their programing as well..."

But you play a lot of music. Music is a key focus of your show. Not the sole focus, but a significant part of your show.
On the other hand, they play a little bit of music. In those other shows, the music is incidental.


"our focus is making all our archives available to the public"

So go ahead and do it! You don't have to rely upon someone else to do it for you. Do. It. Yourself. Get all of your files of your old shows from your personal archives and put them online. Stop wasting time making demands of others and instead do it for yourselves. Is it really too much for you? You claim to be community organizers, right? So get some fired-up folks to help you with it. Puh-leeze... you could have this stuff up in no time.


"we are not calling anybody a racist"

Oh, forgive my mistake, my English is not the best. I guess I got the wrong impression when you publicly encouraged all of us to "tell [KPFA] management... not to attack people of colors show." So, what DO you mean when you say that the people who make up the management of KPFA are attacking "people of colors show"? You don't mean that they're being racist? You don't? Are you now suggesting that the fact that your show is by/for people of color has no relevance at all to their decision to not archive your shows beyond two weeks? If so, what was the point of again pointing out that your show is by people of color? You said it as though it was particularly important in that specific moment. As though, perhaps, they were attacking you because of your race or ethnicity. But now you're totally changing your tune. What's up with that? And, sooo... what IS the reason that they're not archiving YOUR show beyond two weeks (exactly like they're doing with all of the other music-oriented shows.)

I suspect that you are not being honest as to what this is all about.

You're making up false claims in order to cover up something else that is happening.
Something that you don't like.

Something that you're not willing to talk about.

If you are representing La raza chronichas swooper you should be more careful, because i know they have a collective process, and would not agree with what you are saying as a collective, because Mr. Chuch is a part of La Onda Bajita as well. I don't even think you do understand what this could mean for all programs at the station, and their public achives. I will ask la raza chronica personally if this was actually their collective decision to attack la onda bajita publicly with you as the representative.

However, this is the type of hostility we are dealing with, and we encourage folks to once again let this negativity get to you, and please be aware that ignorance makes us blind.


Tu sabes quien eres, yo se quien soy.

ARE YOU A PROGRAMMER? HOW LONG HAVE YOU DONE YOUR PROGRAM FOR? THE REASON I ASK IS IF YOU ARE NOT A PROGRAMMER YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND.

also in my past comment i meant to say as well please do not embrace this negativity, and continue to support folks at the station on all struggles.

http://kpfa.org/la-onda-bajita this so people can go to the site, and see that we are under arts and culture which is a fact.

Also here is another link to show you how all the other programs that are a part of the cultural affairs at KPFA

http://kpfa.org/taxonomy/term/15

As you can see clearly from the link we are the only program on the arts and culture that doesn't have the archives set up like everyone else beisde joe frank show who rotates folks, but when you click on their archives they don't have it either for some reason or another heres another fact.

maybe we could get those archives to become publicly again as well.

Just because swooper or the FCC wants to label us a music program does not mean that is the actual case on the website kpfa.org, and as a program under the umbrella of KPFA we are a Arts Cultural Program. The archives once again were up until last year since 2004 just like La Raza Chronicles, and should be placed back just like the raza chronicles or any other show that gets their archiving done by KPFA why should we be excluded from this process? another fact.

I want to actually thank swooper for suggesting the links, great idea didn't think about that. Also for opening the dialogue to talk about if there is actually racism that is not being talked about at the station with programs of color being singled out within policies that are applied.

here is recent article published in the Bayview

http://www.sfbayview.com/2009/the-black-hole-at-kpfa/

Here is a link to an event that is happening this JUN 14th so you can find out more about the struggle of people of color inside the station of KPFA, and someone else who is speaking about programs of color from theri perspective as volunteer, and paid programmers.

http://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=829hf98rkd77ervck14qft4gi4%40group.calendar.google.com

Block Report Radio and the Black Dot Cafe presents: Apartheid radio: A look at the current state of KPFA KPFA Radio Station over the last 60 years has been seen as the voice of progressive people and activist in the northern California. Until recently, most listeners and supporters were not aware of the right-wing internal politics that govern the airwaves of this “bastation of free speech”. Many have never thought about the fact that there is no Black public affairs show that caters to the local and domestic politics of the Black community on the airwaves. Although there are 2 million people in prison and 4 million tied to it in some way, KPFA does not have a show dedicated to prisoners and prisoners issues. KPFA does not have a show dealing with immigration, although we are in California which is one of the biggest immigrant populated states. KPFA also does not have a show dealing with labor in this country. And these are just a small sample of the communities that are not represented. This is apartheid radio in 2009. Come hear live testimony from Nadra Foster - a long-time volunteer broadcaster at KPFA whom members of management called the police on, and had her beat up and arrested on false charges of trespassing, in August of 2008, at the radio station. Miguel Gavilan Molina - the producer of KPFA's “La Onda Bajita” and “FlashPoints in Espanol”. He has been working at KPFA for over 2 decades. The Minister of Information JR – the producer of “Block Report Radio” and a producer with “Flash Points”, “Transitions on Tradition”, and “Side Show Radio” on KPFA. M.O.I. JR was instrumental in exposing what management and the Berkeley police did to Nadra Foster last year at KPFA. The event will take place Sun. June 14th at 3pm at the



Once again thank you for all those who support la onda bajita in getting the archives back to the public, and to make sure policies are being applied properly across programming at KPFA. We are a public radio show for the community, by the community, so we would also like make our archives available to the community.

KPFA Staffers Release No-Confidence Statement
as Fall Fund Drive Begins

Community Supporters Express Dismay at
Use of Police

Press Release / KPFA UPSO (Unpaid Staff Organization) 18sep2008



UPSO (Unpaid Staff Organization) Contacts
Malihe Razazan (510) 501-1057 mrazazan [at] sbcglobal.net
Ruthanne Shpiner (510) 524-9680 ruthanne [at] sonic.net
Anthony Fest (415) 703-5790 adf55 [at] yahoo.com
Nick Alexander (510) 919-5384 nalexander [at] igc.org

Berkeley, CA – Nine years have passed since Pacifica radio station KPFA, the seminal community radio outlet founded by pacifist Lew Hill in 1949, last had the police inside its doors to arrest its workers, but on August 20, 2008, the Berkeley police were again summoned to 1929 Martin Luther King Jr Way, and asked to eject programmer Nadra Foster, who had been allegedly banned for a disagreement involving usage of a copier.

Fifty six of the station's workers, paid and unpaid alike, have joined together to condemn what they describe as a growing atmosphere of intimidation, including increased security measures, restrictions on airing discussion of internal issues, the return of banning individuals from the premises, and the use of police force to address non-violent policy issues.

Several prominent members of the progressive community the station serves have decried the use of force, including authors Michael Parenti and Norman Solomon, devorah major, former SF poet laureate, Jack Heyman of the ILWU, Mills College professor Julia Sudbury and advocacy groups Critical Resistance, Legal Services for Prisoners with Children and Copwatch.

Project Censored Executive Director Peter Phillips commented "KPFA should only use outside police in the station when a serious life-threatening circumstance is evident or major crime is in progress. A progressive self-managed system of mutual respect and communication must take priority over outside force".

After Pacifica Radio surmounted a major crisis in the late 1990's that involved ousting a Board of Directors that planned to sell the stations, a subscriber-elected governance system was put into place, allowing listeners who pledge $25 annually to select the network's directors. An attempt to replace the current interim manager, the station's former development director, with a permanent hire was stymied last year and the hiring process is again underway.

Media Alliance director Tracy Rosenberg, an elected local board member, commented "It is way past time for KPFA, and Pacifica as a whole, to move away from discredited command and control tactics to manage its diverse workforce".

The Unpaid Staff Organization, (UPSO) which from 1990-onwards organized the 160+ unpaid programmers, was de-recognized in August 2007, leaving the majority of the station's producers and hosts with no avenue for internal appeal of disciplinary actions and/or loss of status.

Programmer Foster, who suffered a severe sprain and bruises during her arrest, is still facing five misdemeanor charges in Alameda County, including trespassing, resisting arrest and battery on an officer. Her pre-trial hearing is scheduled to resume on September 22nd. Fellow staffers are trying to arrange a
fundraiser to assist her with legal expenses stemming from the August 20th incident.

The Pacifica Radio network, one of the few national media outlets that features news, information and culture with a decidedly progressive slant, is said to be facing significant financial challenges in what is clearly a difficult economic environment for journalism.



STATEMENT OF NO CONFIDENCE

We, the undersigned paid, unpaid, and volunteers at KPFA staff do not have confidence in the management of KPFA's Interim General Manager Lemlem Rijio. Rijio's actions during the past 2 years have caused the alienation of a large of number of staff members, have created turmoil within the station and have resulted in her losing credibility with many staff members. Her shift of KPFA's culture away from one of collaboration and mutual support helped create the climate leading
to the tragic and unnecessary police arrest of unpaid staff member Nadra Foster. KPFA and Pacifica management's transformation of a workplace dispute, internally resolvable through collaborative means, into a major police action violates KPFA's mission to promote peaceful ways to solve conflicts. Moving toward a more restrictive work environment will distance the station further from grassroots communities that Pacifica aims to serve.

We look forward to the appointment of a new General Manager from the list of 11 candidates, prepared by KPFA's Local Station Board, in order to bring comprehensive teamwork, support, and peace to the station. We agree with the nearly 80 staff members who signed a recent "Open Letter on New KPFA Leadership Attributes/Priorities" that it's time for fresh leadership.

1.Shahram Aghamir, Producer, Voices of the Middle East and North Africa
2. Nick Alexander, KPFA Producer, Reporter
3. Naji Ali, Graduate First Voice Apprenticeship, Co-producer, Full Circle, Executive Producer/Host Crossing The Line: Life in Occupied Palestine.
4. Rosie Austin- First Voice Group 33
5. Nora Barrows-Friedman, Senior Producer & Co-host, Flashpoints
6. Amanda Bellerby, Producer, Flashpoints
7. Donna Bellorado, First Voice Graduate 2007, pending Lead Segment Editor
8. Khalil Bendib, Producer & Co-host, Voices of the Middle East & North Africa
9. Dennis Bernstein, Host, Senior Producer, Flashpoints
10. Allison Budner, First Voice Apprentice, Full Circle Producer
11. Erica Bridgeman, Engineer, Co-Producer, The Radio Chronicles
12. Greg Bridges, Host of Transitions on Traditions
13. Afrikahn Jahmal Dayvs, Producer/Host of BAJABA on JazzLine, substitute voice on KPFA
14. Darren J. de Leon, Producer/Co-Host Radio 2050
15. Angela Fautt-DeCastro- First Voice Group 33
16. Lisa Dettmer, KPFA Producer, Women's Magazine
17. Tara Dorabji, Co-Host La Onda Bajita
18. Doug Edwards, Programmer/Producer, Music of the World and Ear Thyme
19. Professor Samera Esmeir, Producer, Voices of the Middle East & North Africa
20. Anthony Fest, News Anchor
21. Rainjita Geesler, First Voice Co-Director, Co-Host Apex Express
22. Victoria Gutierrez, Co-host, Radio Zapatista (La Onda Bajita)
23. Francisco Herrera, Co-host and Producer, Flashpoints, La Onda Bajita
24. Yvette Hochberg-producer Women's magazine
25. Shuka Klanatari, Producer, Voices of the Middle East and North Africa.
26. Kayumanggi' Kaloy, KPFA DJ, API Specials Lead Producer, Apprenticeship Grad '89
27. Wildecy de Fatima Jury, Apprentice, graduated from Quilombo Group
28. Rahul C, Lagura, Asian=Pacific Islander Annual Specials, Producer
29. Adrienne Lauby, Producer/Host Pushing Limits
30. Fabian Chavez Martinez, Live Music Engineer
31. M. Mayzes, Producer/Engineer
32. David McBurnie, Producer, Music of the World
33. Miguel Molina, Executive Producer, La Onda Bajita; Roving Producer, Flashpoints
34. Jill Montgomery First Voice Apprentice, KPFA Board Operator
35. Tony Moses, KPFA Reggae Programmer (Since 1974)
36. Emmit A. Powell, DJ and Programmer, The Gospel Experience
37. Kate Rafael, Producer, Womens Magazine
38. Malihe Razazan, Producer, Voices of the Middle East and North Africa
39. Alejandro Reyes, Radio Zapatista (La Onda Bajita) and Mexico correspondent, Flashpoints.
40. Rosi Reyes, Host, Ritmo de las Americas
41. Art Sato, Host, Producer, In Your Ear
42. Jan Santos, Producer, Pushing Limits
43. Doyle Saylor Host, Producer Pushing Limits
44. Adália M. Selket , Brazilian Music Program Producer , 1st Voice Graduate
45. Nina Serrano, Co-producer La Raza Chronicles, Monthly Host/Producer, Open Book
46. Preeti Shekar, Producer, Womens Magazine
47. Ruthanne Shpiner, News Reporter, Host, Producer, Pushing Limits
48. Frank Sterling- First Voice Technical Fellow
49. Kirsten Thomas, Board Op/Producer, Morning Show/Democracy Now! Apprentice Alumnus
50. Walter Turner, Producer, Host of Africa Today
51. JR Valrey, Producer of POCC: Block Report Radio
52. Gabrielle Wilson, Producer, Co-Host of The Gospel Experience
53. Ali Zadeh, Voices of the Middle East & North Africa
54. Dr. Zeina Zaatari, Producer, Voices of the Middle East & North Africa
55. Carla West, Graduate, First Voic, News
56. Bonnie Faulkner – Host and producer, Guns and Butter

STATEMENT OF COMMUNITY SUPPORTERS

As part of the progressive community, we are appalled at the use of the Berkeley Police Department to remove unpaid programmer Nadra Foster from the KPFA premises on August 20th, 2008. This act is contrary to principles of justice, free speech, and peace that we expect KPFA to practice, on-air and off" (selected)

Peter Phillips, Project Censored Tim Durning, Treasurer, Harvey Milk GLBT
Democratic Club
devorah major, former poet laureate of San Leslie Mullin, Haiti Action Committee
Francisco
Karen Shain, Legal Services for Prisoners Tommi Avicolli Mecca, LGBT activist
With Children
Michael Parenti, Author Janelle White, San Francisco Women Against
Rape
Norman Solomon, Author Audrey Hawley, Sonoma Valley Peace and
Justice
Rose Braz, Critical Resistance Tom Lacy, Chair SF Peace and Freedom Party,
OPEIU Local 3
Julia Sudbury, Chair Ethnic Studies, Mills Vicky Fouts – KFCF, Fresno FCF
College
Andrea Pritchett, Copwatch CT Weber, Region 3 Director, California State
Employees Association, SEIU
Jack Heyman, ILWU Local 10

http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/03/14/18577273.php
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/03/13/18576912.php
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2009/05/13/18594558.php
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2002/07/04/1359751.php
http://www.indybay.org/newsitems/2003/01/17/15617381.php

This is another example of attacking Indigenous peoples for over 500 years. KKKPFA which has shown it's true colors by not covering the longest urban tree-sit in US history (648 days) because it was proven to be on a Ohlone Burial ground (22 bodies in 1923). Also arbitrarily banning a Native leader/elder (Zachary RunningWolf) with no explanation to this day from supposedly a public station. Not to mention I was a Mayoral candidate which they completely blackout not even Bay Native Circle would do one show on the Tree-sit or my historic run to become the first Indigenous Mayor of US city. Oh by the way I also helped Bay Native Broken Circle get up and going. I just thank the Creator that this occupation of Indigenous land will be over in the next four years. KKKPFA is listener sponsored and KKKorporate controlled and I support any action that un dos the injustices going on at that station and we need to get it back

Shows with music in them (regardless of what they are officially called) are only kept up for 14 days, otherwise the station could be liable for huge lawsuits regarding copyright infringement. This is a legal matter, it's not some sort of weird conspiracy against you or anyone else. It applies to every show across the board. Music of the World, the weekend Bluegrass and folk shows (with bluegrass being arguably the most 'white' music out there) are also limited to 14 days. Not because someone has a grudge against them, but because it would leave us open to a huge lawsuit otherwise. This is a bad economic thing and KPFA's donations are down like every other non profit. The last thing we need is a $100,000 or more lawsuit we have to pay off. That's not something you want.

I don't know why you posted that it was only La Onda affected when two minutes check of the archives shows that it's all music shows.

http://kpfa.org/la-onda-bajita
this so people can go to the site, and see that we are under arts and culture which is a fact.

Also here is another link to show you how all the other programs that are a part of the cultural affairs at KPFA get unlimited archival since 2004 just like we were until last year when somebody withouth notification to the executive director or the collective took down the archives without explaining this to ehm.

http://kpfa.org/taxonomy/term/15

As you can see clearly from the link we are the only program on the<b> arts and culture<b> that doesn't have the archives set up like everyone else beisde joe frank show who rotates folks, but when you click on their archives they don't have it either for some reason or another. Therefore, if management isn't going to honor then we have to come out to he community, and find other ways through the community to honor the process.

Even if you personally don't agree with this, and feel that we are a music show that is fine. However, KPFA has a process that has been established to allocate certain programs under categories, and as you can see we are not a music show even if you feel strongly that we are. As for the fine it is like Michael Yoshida said "it was ultimately up to Lelem Rijo to see how much exposure she wanted to a Sound Exchange law suit", and not la onda bajita. </b></b>

Subwoofer said:

Second Link: Former LSB-member claims that there has been a multi-station conspiracy to allow WBAI to spend their own funds as they see fit, in violation of certain guidelines, and that WBAI is now in financial trouble.
____________________________________________
RP: This is not an accurate representation of what I wrote. But then the truth has never been something the Concerned Listener/Mgt. Group has ever cared about if it gets in their way.
________________________________________________
SW:
Are these details true? Hard to tell. They are simply asserted as fact by someone who seeks to regain his previous elected position on the LSB, or maybe to get an even higher position. That doesn't mean he is wrong, or deluded, or lying... but it doesn't mean he's not, either.
_________________________________________________

RP: SW doesn't counter any of the facts in my article, which are ALL true. He/she then goes into their usual mode: personal attack and inuendo. As an anomymous poster, he/she can say anything they want and not be held accountable. In a response to my article in the BDP Brian Edwards-Tiekert didn't directly rebut any of my basic statements, he tried to divert and confuse the listeners since he can't deny what is true and support his denial with any facts. If you want KPFA/Pacifica to survive and thrive don't vote for any Concerned Listener candidates or anyone that supports them. Subwoofer, come out and debate the issues in public where the facts will prevail. Use your real name. What are you afraid of???

Richard Phelps, former Chair KPFA LSB.

Payaso,

It does not matter what category you put your show into. And it doesn't matter what category KPFA management puts your show into.

THAT. SIMPLY. DOES. NOT. MATTER.

All that matters is that you play a significant amount of music on your show. That is the ONLY thing, in this case, that the FCC and their corporate-overlords care about. This isn't about people of color. It's about the music industry's ongoing, uncreative, ultra-paranoid, bludgeoning attack against anything that looks like it might be something sort of like FileSharing.

That's all.
Really.
That's all it is.

The big corporations are losing their shit about people sharing music online. And they're threatening serious big-time Big Money lawsuits against radio stations, and websites, and single moms in rural Minnesota.

I know that it is hard for you to accept, but THIS ISN'T ABOUT YOU. Sorry to burst your bubble.

Previously, I made several suggestions about how you could make your old shows available to the public. But you haven't responded to any of those ideas. I wasn't kidding, you know? I wasn't just fucking with you. You can do those things rather easily. Yes, you can. I know you think this sounds harsh, but I don't really care. Drop that machismo bullshit for a minute, clear the green haze off your brain, and actually listen. Yeah, now you're angry. So listen up.

Stop complaining about what The Man won't do for you. Do It Yourself. Take Direct Action for Yourself.

Take the files. Put them on your own server. Make them publicly available. Fuck KPFA management. YOU do it. If a lawsuit gets filed, you'll handle it. You'll take the time. You'll pay the fines. But that's OK, because it's for the cause. It's for the people.

Or, again, as I mentioned before... Edit the music out of your shows. You'll still have all of the important discussions. That's all that really matters for an archive, anyway, isn't it? Who gives a fuck if that same song is there... again... and again?

See you soon, bro...

La Lucha Continua

"...IF YOU ARE NOT A PROGRAMMER YOU WILL NEVER UNDERSTAND."

Do you realize how that sounds?

On one hand, it's like you're saying:
"We're the special insiders... only we can understand... you'd never get it because you're all ignorant and stupid."
But guess what, man. There's a LOT of folks in this community, who may not be programmers, who've been deep inside this never-ending drama for a long time... some of them for longer than you've been alive. So maybe you should stop talking in all those absolute, black & white tones, yeah? Maybe you don't know quite everything, just yet.

On the other hand, there's this:
Why should anyone who's not a programmer listen to anything you have to say, when you tell them that they wouldn't understand if they weren't a programmer. You've just insulted all of them and suggested that you're on some elite level that they can never achieve. Smooth move, bro.

And, of course, the folks who ARE programmers... they either agree with you and don't need to hear this again... or they already think you're full of shit and they're not going to listen anyway.

Richard Phelps said: "SW doesn't counter any of the facts in my article, which are ALL true."

What facts? You just make a long string of unverified (unverifiable?) assertions. And you expect us to accept them as Truth. Why? Because you say so.

I'm sorry, but my standards a bit higher than that. I'm not going to bother to address any of the claims in your article until you can provide some verification.

Like I said before, I'm not saying that you're right or wrong. I'm just saying that, at this point, what you've offered forth isn't of adequate quality for me to make a decision one way or the other. Admittedly, that doesn't bode well for you, in my opinion. But I'm willing to keep an open mind. I'm waiting for something that provides verifiable details rather than crass hyperbole heaped upon unsubstantiated assertions. You might be absolutely right and true in all that you say. But you haven't shown me, yet.



"Tomorrow and tomorrow and tomorrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day
To the last syllable of recorded time,
And all our yesterdays have lighted fools
The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle!
Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player
That struts and frets his hour upon the stage
And then is heard no more: it is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury,
Signifying nothing."

Macbeth, act 5, scene 5

Hidden identities can talk tough about management, and even say "fuck management", due to lack of maturity, and being afraid that somebody might judge them for talking truth to power. If you don't say your name, and are not willing to come out in the public i can see why you say what you are saying leva. when your ready to say who you really are, please let us know so we can dialogue, and as for your suggestions you definitely are excluding us from KPFA. I am sorry you don't respect the process at KPFA, and don't want to acknowledge that la onda is a part of this bigger organization. Subwoofer AKA ........., jose, pancho, anastacio, panfilo, chata, el shorty, flaco, fuchi, soccorro, subwoofer could be anybody that is why he feels probably that he can attack anyone.

Once again we would like to say thank you to all who support la onda bajita, and that we appreciate that folks can ignore this type of negativity and stay focused. Please be aware that we prefer to focus on getting access to our unlimited archives to the public, and that there will be folks who will try to detour this dialogue. However, we must stay focused on contacting management, and asking to put up the archives again with music or without.

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As a start, why don't you upload audio to indybay? I agree with the comment left at Friday Jun 12th, 2009 12:01 AM.

It's so strange...

I thought this was about La Onda Bajita and their burning need to get their shows online, available to the public. It didn't used to be about me. I wasn't part of the issue, at all. The issue was solely about how La Onda Bajita couldn't get their very very important shows archived on the KPFA website for more than two weeks (just like all of the other music programs on KPFA).

But as soon as I offered some suggestions about how they could achieve their goals on their own, without anyone else's help... well then, suddenly the issue was incumbent upon MY anonymity. I don't understand... I mean, I wasn't part of the subject before... was I?

I mean... really... it's almost as if Payaso and his friends DIDN'T WANT such an easy solution. Like they really just wanted to complain about what someone ELSE wasn't doing... sort of like... well... a smokescreen for something else that was happening. I don't know. That's just what it looks like, to me.

Someone else, just previous to me mentioned (and I swear, I have NO idea who that person is) that you could upload your shows here at indybay. That is a great idea. Instead of taking all this time attacking other people for things you think they should be doing, you could instead be doing something positive for yourself, achieving your goals.

Again... I find it very -curious- that you're unable to address ANY of the points I've put forward in direct response to your initial announcement. And let's not forget that part: YOUR announcement... YOUR complaint. I didn't bring it up. This is your big issue, complaint, attack, whatever. So, when people respond, you should be ready and willing to provide plenty of evidence and clarification to support your claims. But you have not. You started by putting up some irrelevant links, and now you avoid the subject by claiming that it's soooo important because you don't know who I am. Who cares who I am?!? Why does that matter?


La Onda Bajita doesn't get archived for more than two weeks in EXACTLY the same way that none of the other music-oriented shows get archived for more than two weeks. It's really very simple. There's nothing complex or conspiratorial about it.

I don't understand why you're making such a big deal about this. I don't understand why you're claiming racism and discrimination and the like against people who aren't like that AT ALL...

Oh... right... it's really because of that Other Thing.

The one you don't want to talk about.

It's time to come clean, motherfucker.

Tell The Truth.

Or Shut The Fuck Up.

Hello folks here is an update on the archives on kpfa.org, and the progress that has happened. After talking to the chief engineer at kpfa Michael Yoshida, he said that they were transitioning all archives into this format of 14 days. However, some else was in charge of the archives and that they had put us under music programming, and other programs as well without no real actual process by this one guy who had to determine who was a music programs or not, instead of just setting the limit of 14 days to all the programs like he was suppose to by FCC and Sound Exchange regulations. Therefore, Yoshida said it was something that they were transitioning into so he completed the process for all archives to be on only for 14 days available to the public, and programs will remain archived in the station and for Pacificas archives. Please tell folks that archives on kpfa.org will only be available for 14 days from now on for all programs, except for the news. Yoshida mentioned this was the plan already, and that it could have become another big law suit that Pacifica as a whole would have to take on. There he told me the process would be to have to download you archive in studio at kpfa after the 14 days, and take out the music for it to become available to the public without the music, and a Sound Exchange lawsuit. Therefore, we are working with the process now that we know, and will be putting our programs on different media outlets without any violation to the SE. We are thankful to Michael Yoshida for taking action on the process, and for making sure the station doesn't get another lawsuit.

Folks be aware that the we are in a economic recession, and this government will try to fine anything, and everything. So if it has not happen to you just be aware, and know that there is people getting caught fined for illegal downloading, copyrighted music, copying art, documents, and irrelevant activity that you didn't even think would get you into trouble. However, the reality is you are always being watched and be careful how you spend your time on the internet (NSA) could be tracking all your moves. This is why it is important to know who you talk to on the other side of the connection, because they can use what you say on the internet against you. NSA could go back to the begging of your first day that you went on the internet once you have become their target, and could bring up everything against you until the day that you were caught to prove their case what ever it may be. So when someone tries to attack you, bully you, even though the facts are there. Remember it could be a government instigator trying to instigate you to talk so they can try to manipulate the information. Remember stay way from hidden identities who are virtually nobody anyways, and do not respond to negativity or else it could be used against you in a court of law by undercover cop internet instigators.

Hello folks here is an update on the archives on kpfa.org, and the progress that has happened. After talking to the chief engineer at kpfa Michael Yoshida, he said that they were transitioning all archives into this format of 14 days. However, some else was in charge of the archives and that they had put us under music programming, and other programs as well without no real actual process by this one guy who had to determine who was a music programs or not, instead of just setting the limit of 14 days to all the programs like he was suppose to by FCC and Sound Exchange regulations. Therefore, Yoshida said it was something that they were transitioning into so he completed the process for all archives to be on only for 14 days available to the public, and programs will remain archived in the station and for Pacificas archives. Please tell folks that archives on kpfa.org will only be available for 14 days from now on for all programs, except for the news. Yoshida mentioned this was the plan already, and that it could have become another big law suit that Pacifica as a whole would have to take on. There he told me the process would be to have to download you archive in studio at kpfa after the 14 days, and take out the music for it to become available to the public without the music, and a Sound Exchange lawsuit. Therefore, we are working with the process now that we know, and will be putting our programs on different media outlets without any violation to the SE. We are thankful to Michael Yoshida for taking action on the process, and for making sure the station doesn't get another lawsuit.

Folks be aware that the we are in a economic recession, and this government will try to fine anything, and everything. So if it has not happen to you just be aware, and know that there is people getting caught fined for illegal downloading, copyrighted music, copying art, documents, and irrelevant activity that you didn't even think would get you into trouble. However, the reality is you are always being watched and be careful how you spend your time on the internet (NSA) could be tracking all your moves. This is why it is important to know who you talk to on the other side of the connection, because they can use what you say on the internet against you. NSA could go back to the begging of your first day that you went on the internet once you have become their target, and could bring up everything against you until the day that you were caught to prove their case what ever it may be. So when someone tries to attack you, bully you, even though the facts are there. Remember it could be a government instigator trying to instigate you to talk so they can try to manipulate the information. Remember stay way from hidden identities who are virtually nobody anyways, and do not respond to negativity or else it could be used against you in a court of law by undercover cop internet instigators.

pedro

In your previous post you said that Michael Yoshida "told me the process would be to have to download you archive in studio at kpfa after the 14 days, and take out the music for it to become available to the public without the music, and [to avoid?] a Sound Exchange lawsuit. Therefore, we are working with the process now that we know."


Now that you know? That's been the situation all along. Nothing has changed. There's no new information. If you want La Onda Bajita to be publicly available beyond 14 days, then you'll have to remove all of the music. And, apparently, that's what you're going to do.

In spite of all your paranoid suggestions as to who I might be, maybe you should look back at my very first post from June 10 where I recommended that "since it's the music that's such a problem with the FCC, then why don't you go back and edit out all those "oldies" that you play, and just leave in the discussions. Then there won't be any legal issues."

I gave you good advice from the start. But you couldn't hear because you were obsessed with your paranoid fantasy that this was some racist attack against you and/or against all people of color.

You should be more careful about crying "Racism" anytime things don't go your way.

Otherwise, you might become The Boy Who Cried Wolf.

La Onda Bajita although it claims to be a collective it is far from it. La onda is just a small click of people that say and use community members a lot but actually do little than talk and talk. If la onda shows are suffering it is because the onda click is ineffective and it cant get basic things done the way they should. they have no community base and are disorganized.