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PROP 8 UNHELD 6-1

by danielsan
Santa Cruz: http://dayofdecision.wetpaint.com/page/Santa+Cruz+County?t=anon
1 PM walkout/meeting
5 PM rally/protest at SC Clocktower & Watsonville Plaza

§I mean upheld, obviously
by danielsan
just too pissed off to type or to proofread, either.

a victory for democracy: the rule of the slim majority, manipulated by sophisticated mass media delusions, to support a state aimed at controlling perceived numerical minorities to be divided, categorized, and marginalized.

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by Silent Minority
Why do you need government approval of your love life? Love as you choose, no one is stopping you.

If you're worried about legal access to a comatose partner (the standard complaint, no matter how rare), sign a Power of Attorney with your significant other.

If you want a tax break, no one deserves to pay less for being married anyway - living together is what reduces dependence on society, and having kids is what increases dependence - marriage is the cause of either.

If you want cheap insurance for your spouse, people in hell want icewater too. It's a free market and a free country, no one owes you medical insurance on your terms.

Prop 8 was a calculated distraction for California voters, so that the mainstream press could ignore other much more important issues at the time and as usual the voters fell for it.
by Mike Novack
Why do you need government approval of your love life? Love as you choose, no one is stopping you.
Absolutely! You need no authority of the state to love and you need no authority of the state to be married in the eyes of the deity of your choice (if that matters to you) and whether you could arrange the latter wasn't affected by Prop 8 one way or the other. If your religion won't marry you, the state can't force it to. If it will, the state won't stop it.

If you're worried about legal access to a comatose partner (the standard complaint, no matter how rare), sign a Power of Attorney with your significant other.
Ineffective. The Power of Attorney is useful if and only if the matter will be decided over the course of weeks. The problem is that in cases like this the authority of spouses and other next of kin doesn't get challenged by the hospital or funeral home. That Power of Attorney is useful if and only if there is no challenge by another party that the hospital or funeral home, etc. considers traditionally authorized and possibly on their won stick. A Power of Attorney is useful If there is time for you to go to court to force them to recognize your right (and by the time you get a court order the matter likely to be moot) or if they are willing to cooperate with you provided they are off the hook.

If you want a tax break, no one deserves to pay less for being married anyway - living together is what reduces dependence on society, and having kids is what increases dependence - marriage is the cause of either.
Yes and no. It's not a matter whether ANYBODY deserves a tax break on this but whether some do and some don't. Would your answer have been the same had that been "people of a certain skin color" or "people of a certain religion" don't qualify for the tax break? Even if you thought the tax break a bad idea?

If you want cheap insurance for your spouse, people in hell want icewater too. It's a free market and a free country, no one owes you medical insurance on your terms.
See my response to the previous. That used to be "free market rules" too.

Prop 8 was a calculated distraction for California voters, so that the mainstream press could ignore other much more important issues at the time and as usual the voters fell for it.
Well now, we ALL get to choose what issues are most important to us. Perhaps it's a distraction from the issues YOU consider more important. I seriously doubt there ware many other issues equally of importance to homosexuals and lesbians. The error here is in assuming that an issue of greatest importance to ALL of us (average over all in the society) is also of greatest importance to all of us individually and in sub groups of the society.

What you are really saying is that to YOU other things were more important and I'm not disagreeing with that in the least. But that doesn't make any of YOUR more important issues MY most important issues. You don't get to decide what I feel is most important to me. Not even if you are right (and I am wrong) in judging what is most important.

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