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Anti-Proposition 8 Protests Come to San Diego
The wave of statewide protests against the passage of anti-Queer, anti-marriage, anti-family Proposition 8 hit San Diego with a nighttime rally in Balboa Park November 7 and a march through Hillcrest and North Park the following day.
San Diego Joins Rest of State in No on 8 Rallies
Nighttime Rally in Balboa Park Nov. 7, Hillcrest-North Park March Nov. 8
by MARK GABRISH CONLAN
Copyright © 2008 by Mark Gabrish Conlan for Zenger’s Newsmagazine • All rights reserved
San Diego’s Queer community joined the rest of the state November 7 and 8 in staging mass public actions reflecting the anger after California voters passed Proposition 8 on November 4. This initiative, sponsored by the Colorado-based radical-Right group Focus on the Family and largely funded by the Mormon church and the Knights of Columbus, a Roman Catholic organization invalidated their state supreme court’s landmark May 15 decision allowing same-sex couples to marry and said that only marriages between one man and one woman would be “recognized” under California law.
Despite some initial confusion as to what each action would consist of and when and where it would take place, both days’ events quickly fell into place. The November 7 event was a rally at 9 p.m. at the corner of Sixth and Laurel in Balboa Park, two blocks from the site of the annual San Diego Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender Pride Festival. Privately organized by a tall, rangy blond named Nick Meade and his partner, the event was originally scheduled to end in a march on San Diego City Hall. But the march was called off, partly to save participants’ energies for the big march scheduled for the next day and partly to acknowledge that the San Diego city government had been strongly supportive of the campaign against Proposition 8.
“This has been a painful week for our community,” Meade said at the rally. “It’s a shame to think there are people who think we should be second-class citizens. I see in us love: love for our partners, each other, our community, ourselves, This struggle is all about love and our freedom to love. We do not need a piece of paper to validate our love. We need it to prove we’re equal to and as good as everyone else. In this crowd, there’s one thing that’s absent, and that is hate. I see a lot of anger, but no hate. We must keep things positive and peaceful.”
Like many of the people attending the rally, Meade drew a dramatic contrast between the other big news from November 4 — the election of Barack Obama as president and his promise to heal the divisions within America and bring the country back together — and the passage of Proposition 8. “Even though we lost on Tuesday,” Meade said, “we will prevail because we are right and America is changing. But change doesn’t come easily. We all have to work for change. We can change California and America, and ultimately make marriage free and equal for everyone.”
“We have been through so much, and I’m glad we can still come together,” said Cara Dessert, public policy director for the San Diego Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender Community Center and the only other speaker on November 7. “On May 15 we were elated after the Supreme Court said separate was not equal. When we faced the threat of constitutional discrimination we fought back like never before. We raised $1 million in San Diego alone and recruited 3,000 volunteers. We built the largest grass-roots organization in San Diego and expanded and redefined our community forever. Instead of hiding in fear, we reunited in courage and invited many new friends into our community to stand up against discrimination.”
Dessert said that the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund and the National Center for Lesbian Rights filed a petition on November 5 to ask the California Supreme Court to invalidate Proposition 8 on the grounds that it represent a “revision” of the state constitution rather than a simple amendment, and therefore requires a constitutional convention rather than an initiative. (A similar suit was filed after Proposition 8 qualified to keep it off the ballot, but lost.) She said that another suit has been filed to declare that even if Proposition 8 stands, the estimated 18,000 same-sex marriages that took place in California between June 15 (when the May 15 court decision took effect) and November 5 should remain valid.
Though the November 7 event was advertised as lasting an hour, the program only took about 20 minutes. It was punctuated by loud dance music from a D.J.-style CD player worked by Meade’s partner, who inadvertently turned it on just in time to drown out a few members of the crowd who had spontaneously started singing “We Shall Overcome.” About 500 people came to the rally despite the late hour and the uncertainty about just what would take place.
The big march November 8 drew about 2,000 people, and at its height stretched across University Avenue all the way from Oregon Street to Park Boulevard. The idea was to march down University Avenue from Fifth Street in the heart of Hillcrest to 30th Street in North Park. Due to concerns about parking, the organizers then decided to move the assembly point two blocks back, to the parking lot of the former No on 8 headquarters at Third and University. Though it wasn’t clear from the announcements who the organizers were, officials from the San Diego Democratic Club — president Andrea Villa and volunteer coordinator Lisa Kove — appeared to be in charge.
Kove and a male volunteer were staffing a table at the entrance to the parking lot, giving people who showed up without signs “No on 8” signs to carry and attempting to censor the messages of people who had brought their own signs. Kove demanded that people not carry signs with sticks (always a tetchy subject with the San Diego Police Department, since city law gives them the right to confiscate signs with sticks that could conceivably be removed and used as weapons) or anything with what she considered an overly negative message. “We’re communicating a message that we are a peaceful, loving people,” Kove told people showing up for the march.
Kove was particularly determined to suppress any signs with the word “HATE,” the punning emblem “H8,” or anything attacking religion in general or the Mormon church in particular, saying that she didn’t want the media filming people with such signs instead of people projecting the peaceful, loving image she wanted for the march. Her companion actually went up to a would-be marcher whose sign read, “Who Else Does Your God Teach You to Hate,” and asked him to leave it behind or not march. Two other individuals in the crowd, including a member of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence who wasn’t wearing nun drag but did have on a T-shirt with their “San Diego Sisters” emblem, defended the man’s right to march with the sign he had brought, and eventually he did.
Despite the organizers’ efforts, some signs with the word “Hate” and others specifically targeting the Mormon church ended up in the march. So did at least two signs reading, “No more Mr. Nice Gay.” One participant in the march brought his own bullhorn and led his own chants, including “Equal Rights” and “No on Hate.” At least one North Park couple briefly chanted the old Queer Nation slogan, “Ten percent is not enough! Recruit, recruit, recruit!”
The march itself went on a straight line down University Avenue from Fourth to 28th, and the mood was largely upbeat. Rather than mourning over a lost election and a popular vote to prevent same-sex couples from getting married in California, they were surprisingly hopeful that Proposition 8 would not stand; if the legal actions didn’t throw it out, most thought, it would soon be repealed at the ballot box. The fact that the community came within 4.5 percentage points of defeating it made a lot of the marchers optimistic for the future.
Indeed, the energy level was so strong that one veteran community journalist surveying the scene at the assembly point said he wished there had been this kind of enthusiasm from the Queer community about Proposition 8 before the election. Asked about that remark, Jeri Dilno, a community activist for nearly four decades, said she thought that younger Queers have been insulated from the worst effects of discrimination — “They don’t have to worry about being fired from work, and they’ve come out to their parents with no problem” — and for them the passage of Proposition 8 was a wake-up call that anti-Queer discrimination and hatred are alive and well.
Though most of the march was well organized, its ending confused participants and police alike. Apparently at the suggestion of the police, the march organizers diverted the line onto 28th Street and moved the crowd inside a school playground two blocks south of University. There they scheduled a rally and planned to have at least two speakers using a bullhorn — but then they abruptly marched everyone out of the playground again and onto the street. Some of the marchers seized the opportunity to return to University and make it to the announced stopping point at 30th Street — and the police on the scene, at first inclined to block the marchers’ way, relented and let them through.
The line of march split at this point, with the larger crowd heading to Morley Field — where the scheduled rally had been moved — while a breakaway group marched north on 30th to Lincoln. They had no idea the main body had headed for Morley Field until a police officer used his car’s sound system to tell them. Upon hearing that, they turned off Lincoln at Utah and headed south again.
Nighttime Rally in Balboa Park Nov. 7, Hillcrest-North Park March Nov. 8
by MARK GABRISH CONLAN
Copyright © 2008 by Mark Gabrish Conlan for Zenger’s Newsmagazine • All rights reserved
San Diego’s Queer community joined the rest of the state November 7 and 8 in staging mass public actions reflecting the anger after California voters passed Proposition 8 on November 4. This initiative, sponsored by the Colorado-based radical-Right group Focus on the Family and largely funded by the Mormon church and the Knights of Columbus, a Roman Catholic organization invalidated their state supreme court’s landmark May 15 decision allowing same-sex couples to marry and said that only marriages between one man and one woman would be “recognized” under California law.
Despite some initial confusion as to what each action would consist of and when and where it would take place, both days’ events quickly fell into place. The November 7 event was a rally at 9 p.m. at the corner of Sixth and Laurel in Balboa Park, two blocks from the site of the annual San Diego Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender Pride Festival. Privately organized by a tall, rangy blond named Nick Meade and his partner, the event was originally scheduled to end in a march on San Diego City Hall. But the march was called off, partly to save participants’ energies for the big march scheduled for the next day and partly to acknowledge that the San Diego city government had been strongly supportive of the campaign against Proposition 8.
“This has been a painful week for our community,” Meade said at the rally. “It’s a shame to think there are people who think we should be second-class citizens. I see in us love: love for our partners, each other, our community, ourselves, This struggle is all about love and our freedom to love. We do not need a piece of paper to validate our love. We need it to prove we’re equal to and as good as everyone else. In this crowd, there’s one thing that’s absent, and that is hate. I see a lot of anger, but no hate. We must keep things positive and peaceful.”
Like many of the people attending the rally, Meade drew a dramatic contrast between the other big news from November 4 — the election of Barack Obama as president and his promise to heal the divisions within America and bring the country back together — and the passage of Proposition 8. “Even though we lost on Tuesday,” Meade said, “we will prevail because we are right and America is changing. But change doesn’t come easily. We all have to work for change. We can change California and America, and ultimately make marriage free and equal for everyone.”
“We have been through so much, and I’m glad we can still come together,” said Cara Dessert, public policy director for the San Diego Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual, Transgender Community Center and the only other speaker on November 7. “On May 15 we were elated after the Supreme Court said separate was not equal. When we faced the threat of constitutional discrimination we fought back like never before. We raised $1 million in San Diego alone and recruited 3,000 volunteers. We built the largest grass-roots organization in San Diego and expanded and redefined our community forever. Instead of hiding in fear, we reunited in courage and invited many new friends into our community to stand up against discrimination.”
Dessert said that the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU), Lambda Legal Defense and Education Fund and the National Center for Lesbian Rights filed a petition on November 5 to ask the California Supreme Court to invalidate Proposition 8 on the grounds that it represent a “revision” of the state constitution rather than a simple amendment, and therefore requires a constitutional convention rather than an initiative. (A similar suit was filed after Proposition 8 qualified to keep it off the ballot, but lost.) She said that another suit has been filed to declare that even if Proposition 8 stands, the estimated 18,000 same-sex marriages that took place in California between June 15 (when the May 15 court decision took effect) and November 5 should remain valid.
Though the November 7 event was advertised as lasting an hour, the program only took about 20 minutes. It was punctuated by loud dance music from a D.J.-style CD player worked by Meade’s partner, who inadvertently turned it on just in time to drown out a few members of the crowd who had spontaneously started singing “We Shall Overcome.” About 500 people came to the rally despite the late hour and the uncertainty about just what would take place.
The big march November 8 drew about 2,000 people, and at its height stretched across University Avenue all the way from Oregon Street to Park Boulevard. The idea was to march down University Avenue from Fifth Street in the heart of Hillcrest to 30th Street in North Park. Due to concerns about parking, the organizers then decided to move the assembly point two blocks back, to the parking lot of the former No on 8 headquarters at Third and University. Though it wasn’t clear from the announcements who the organizers were, officials from the San Diego Democratic Club — president Andrea Villa and volunteer coordinator Lisa Kove — appeared to be in charge.
Kove and a male volunteer were staffing a table at the entrance to the parking lot, giving people who showed up without signs “No on 8” signs to carry and attempting to censor the messages of people who had brought their own signs. Kove demanded that people not carry signs with sticks (always a tetchy subject with the San Diego Police Department, since city law gives them the right to confiscate signs with sticks that could conceivably be removed and used as weapons) or anything with what she considered an overly negative message. “We’re communicating a message that we are a peaceful, loving people,” Kove told people showing up for the march.
Kove was particularly determined to suppress any signs with the word “HATE,” the punning emblem “H8,” or anything attacking religion in general or the Mormon church in particular, saying that she didn’t want the media filming people with such signs instead of people projecting the peaceful, loving image she wanted for the march. Her companion actually went up to a would-be marcher whose sign read, “Who Else Does Your God Teach You to Hate,” and asked him to leave it behind or not march. Two other individuals in the crowd, including a member of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence who wasn’t wearing nun drag but did have on a T-shirt with their “San Diego Sisters” emblem, defended the man’s right to march with the sign he had brought, and eventually he did.
Despite the organizers’ efforts, some signs with the word “Hate” and others specifically targeting the Mormon church ended up in the march. So did at least two signs reading, “No more Mr. Nice Gay.” One participant in the march brought his own bullhorn and led his own chants, including “Equal Rights” and “No on Hate.” At least one North Park couple briefly chanted the old Queer Nation slogan, “Ten percent is not enough! Recruit, recruit, recruit!”
The march itself went on a straight line down University Avenue from Fourth to 28th, and the mood was largely upbeat. Rather than mourning over a lost election and a popular vote to prevent same-sex couples from getting married in California, they were surprisingly hopeful that Proposition 8 would not stand; if the legal actions didn’t throw it out, most thought, it would soon be repealed at the ballot box. The fact that the community came within 4.5 percentage points of defeating it made a lot of the marchers optimistic for the future.
Indeed, the energy level was so strong that one veteran community journalist surveying the scene at the assembly point said he wished there had been this kind of enthusiasm from the Queer community about Proposition 8 before the election. Asked about that remark, Jeri Dilno, a community activist for nearly four decades, said she thought that younger Queers have been insulated from the worst effects of discrimination — “They don’t have to worry about being fired from work, and they’ve come out to their parents with no problem” — and for them the passage of Proposition 8 was a wake-up call that anti-Queer discrimination and hatred are alive and well.
Though most of the march was well organized, its ending confused participants and police alike. Apparently at the suggestion of the police, the march organizers diverted the line onto 28th Street and moved the crowd inside a school playground two blocks south of University. There they scheduled a rally and planned to have at least two speakers using a bullhorn — but then they abruptly marched everyone out of the playground again and onto the street. Some of the marchers seized the opportunity to return to University and make it to the announced stopping point at 30th Street — and the police on the scene, at first inclined to block the marchers’ way, relented and let them through.
The line of march split at this point, with the larger crowd heading to Morley Field — where the scheduled rally had been moved — while a breakaway group marched north on 30th to Lincoln. They had no idea the main body had headed for Morley Field until a police officer used his car’s sound system to tell them. Upon hearing that, they turned off Lincoln at Utah and headed south again.
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There were not 2,000 people at the march on Saturday November 8. There were at least 8,000 and maybe even 10,000. The line of marchers filled the two lanes of traffic moving east on University. When my husband and I reach Texas Street we looked back and saw people filling those two lanes and still coming over the hill at Park Avenue. Also, this seems to highlight negative signs. The overall message was one of empowerment and not condemnation or anger at any one group. I did not see a single sign that was anti-mormon or anti-black until I saw the pictures you took. Yes, people are upset and feel betrayed and needed to vent this. And now we will work very had to regain the rights a small group of people took away by running a campaign full of lies and deception.
Majority vote speaks volumes. I wonder how many of the protesters actually voted on Prop 8? Did alot of people just assume that Prop 8 would fail due to California's usual liberal progressive stance on social issues?
I'm all for same sex marriage. Same sex couples should have the same right to marry, to be miserable, to divorce, to pay alimony, pay child support as Hetero's do.
Blacks voted for Prop 8 by a 70-30 margin. I'm curious how the voting went along ethnic lines.
I'm all for same sex marriage. Same sex couples should have the same right to marry, to be miserable, to divorce, to pay alimony, pay child support as Hetero's do.
Blacks voted for Prop 8 by a 70-30 margin. I'm curious how the voting went along ethnic lines.
can somebody explain to me why San Diego organizing post-Prop 8 passage has been so repressively geared toward keeping us orderly and palatable?
The anti-Prop 8, pro gay marriage crowd ran ads charging this whole idea that public schools will teach gay marriage is just a "lie."
However, the same groups who said it’s a lie – “public schools will teach about gay marriage whether parents like it or not” — were in court in Massachusetts filing amicus briefs arguing parents don't have any right to opt their children out of the pro-gay marriage curriculum.
From the Anti-Defamation League (ADL) Amicus Curiae Brief:
“, it is particularly important to teach children about families with gay parents.” [p 5]
From the Human Rights Campaign Amicus Curiae Brief:
“(parents have) no right to remove the books now in issue – or to impose an opt-out system.” [pp1-2]
From the ACLU Amicus Curiae Brief:
“ parents do not have a constitutional right to override pedagogical judgment of the school …King and King.” [p 9]
Which side is really telling the truth here about its aims?
Mormons don't do polygamy any more. just so you know.
That is one case in one state. It doesn't represent or identify the intentions of 'the gay movement'. What happens if we as a collective choose one extremist from your end of the spectrum and apply their beliefs, principles and activities to all of you. By your own argument...catholics are a bunch of child molesters, christians all feel the way fred phelps does, and mormons are polygamous fundamentalist pedophiles.
Careful with the finger pointing.
I don't believe gay marriage should be taught, but i do believe it should be talked about. what's wrong with a little honesty? the more you shelter your children from reality, the harder time they'll have adjusting to it....
Careful with the finger pointing.
I don't believe gay marriage should be taught, but i do believe it should be talked about. what's wrong with a little honesty? the more you shelter your children from reality, the harder time they'll have adjusting to it....
Subject: We need help: Nationwide Prop 8 Protest on Saturday 11/15/08
dearest friends,
i am emailing you to ask for some help.....over the last few protests and demonstrations, mike and i have concluded that while we gays are great at interior design, growing orchids, cancer research and throwing a party....we suck a organizing mass protests and demonstrations. as harsh as that may seem...it's true. we only had about 100-150 people protesting in front of a giant mormon temple in la jolla this morning with one little lady and her half-broke bullhorn. and an old man with his tamborine. if we want to make a statement and overturn this idiotic proposition 8, WE NEED TO DO BETTER. BIGGER. LOUDER. MORE PEOPLE.
there is a nationwide protest planned in EVERY major city in the US on this coming saturday, NOVEMBER 15th, 2008. the information for this is below. PLEASE help the cause...come to the protests....and if you can't, please help by forwarding this information to any and all that you know**. print the info out....pass it out in the street. on public transportation. tell every friend you talk to on the phone over the next few days. in newsblogs, we are being ridiculed by religious bigots for our "pathetic" attempts. let's show them better.
thanks so much for your help in advance.
=^_^= eric
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On SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 15th 2008 (this coming Saturday), there is going to be a NATIONWIDE PROTEST AGAINST PROPOSITION 8!
There will be major protests in EVERY major city in the US....but to make this effective, we need AS MANY PEOPLE to show up and be loud and protest AS POSSIBLE!!!
FIND YOUR PROTEST LOCATION AND TIME HERE:
http://www.jointheimpact.com/?page_id=2
ORGANIZE, MOBILE AND REACH OUT!!! SPREAD THE WORD!!!!
California just voted Yes on Prop 2, which gives caged chickens more rights...It's time to make sure that ALL PEOPLE, GAY OR STRAIGHT, in this country have EQUAL rights!
Tell your classmates, friends, family....anyone who has ever cared about gay rights...about civil rights...and equality for ALL....tell them to show up at the protests and speak their minds! Tell them to protest for equal rights for ALL people, and that NO church has any right to dictate ourcivil liberties!
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dearest friends,
i am emailing you to ask for some help.....over the last few protests and demonstrations, mike and i have concluded that while we gays are great at interior design, growing orchids, cancer research and throwing a party....we suck a organizing mass protests and demonstrations. as harsh as that may seem...it's true. we only had about 100-150 people protesting in front of a giant mormon temple in la jolla this morning with one little lady and her half-broke bullhorn. and an old man with his tamborine. if we want to make a statement and overturn this idiotic proposition 8, WE NEED TO DO BETTER. BIGGER. LOUDER. MORE PEOPLE.
there is a nationwide protest planned in EVERY major city in the US on this coming saturday, NOVEMBER 15th, 2008. the information for this is below. PLEASE help the cause...come to the protests....and if you can't, please help by forwarding this information to any and all that you know**. print the info out....pass it out in the street. on public transportation. tell every friend you talk to on the phone over the next few days. in newsblogs, we are being ridiculed by religious bigots for our "pathetic" attempts. let's show them better.
thanks so much for your help in advance.
=^_^= eric
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
On SATURDAY, NOVEMBER 15th 2008 (this coming Saturday), there is going to be a NATIONWIDE PROTEST AGAINST PROPOSITION 8!
There will be major protests in EVERY major city in the US....but to make this effective, we need AS MANY PEOPLE to show up and be loud and protest AS POSSIBLE!!!
FIND YOUR PROTEST LOCATION AND TIME HERE:
http://www.jointheimpact.com/?page_id=2
ORGANIZE, MOBILE AND REACH OUT!!! SPREAD THE WORD!!!!
California just voted Yes on Prop 2, which gives caged chickens more rights...It's time to make sure that ALL PEOPLE, GAY OR STRAIGHT, in this country have EQUAL rights!
Tell your classmates, friends, family....anyone who has ever cared about gay rights...about civil rights...and equality for ALL....tell them to show up at the protests and speak their minds! Tell them to protest for equal rights for ALL people, and that NO church has any right to dictate ourcivil liberties!
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