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Olympic torch protesters scale Golden Gate Bridge
Associated Press - April 7, 2008 2:34 PM ET
SAN FRANCISCO (AP) - Three protesters have scaled the suspension cables of the Golden Gate Bridge as part of an advance protest to the coming Olympic torch relay.
The protesters climbed high above the roadway below and unfurled a couple of large banner. 1 of the banners reads "One World. One Dream. Free Tibet."
The Olympic torch is scheduled to make its way through the streets of San Francisco on Wednesday. San Francisco is the only location in North America that is hosting the torch relay before the Olympics take place in China.
China has been called to task over its treatment of Tibet ever since the torch was lit.
The California Highway Patrol has detained several people on the walkway near the protest.
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...if the forums over at the Chron website are any indication, every anti-Chinese bigot, right-wing crackpot-theorist, and just some out and out haters will be down there. Oh, sure, and good, sincere people, too.
But think about the company you end up keeping. Doesn't that say something about some of the subliminal forces underneath an issue? The right-wing wackos are, what, a dozen people off to the side at antiwar demos? So what does it mean when they're half the crowd....
But think about the company you end up keeping. Doesn't that say something about some of the subliminal forces underneath an issue? The right-wing wackos are, what, a dozen people off to the side at antiwar demos? So what does it mean when they're half the crowd....
This is about protesting:
Chinese genocidal and ethnic cleansing policies in Tibet
Chinese military support for the brutal regime in Myanmar
Chinese exploitation of the Sudan (and frankly, all of Africa, according to Ebony magazine)
These are issues all progressives need to get behind. The free Tibet movement was not organized by "right wing wackos"- it was a grassroots movement organized by Tibetans who have experienced Chinese govermental oppression first hand.
No one is calling upon the people to burn and loot Chinatown- this is not an "attack" on the Chinese people- this is an attack on the fascist Chinese government and its hyprocritical use of the Olympics to curry favor with the world community. Its disengenious for you to claim otherwise.
Chinese genocidal and ethnic cleansing policies in Tibet
Chinese military support for the brutal regime in Myanmar
Chinese exploitation of the Sudan (and frankly, all of Africa, according to Ebony magazine)
These are issues all progressives need to get behind. The free Tibet movement was not organized by "right wing wackos"- it was a grassroots movement organized by Tibetans who have experienced Chinese govermental oppression first hand.
No one is calling upon the people to burn and loot Chinatown- this is not an "attack" on the Chinese people- this is an attack on the fascist Chinese government and its hyprocritical use of the Olympics to curry favor with the world community. Its disengenious for you to claim otherwise.
...not "get behind" telling China how to run their affairs.
Because we've been there, and it leads here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_door_policy
Because we've been there, and it leads here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_door_policy
Just in case ya don't, here's a selection:
quote:
As a specific policy with regard to China, [the "Open Door Policy"] was first advanced by the United States in the Open Door Notes of September-November 1899. In 1898, the United States had become an East Asian power through the acquisition of the Philippine Islands, and when the partition of China by the European powers and Japan seemed imminent, the United States felt its commercial interests in China threatened. U.S. Secretary of State John Hay sent notes to the major powers (France, Germany, the United Kingdom, Italy, Japan, and Russia), asking them to declare formally that they would uphold Chinese territorial and administrative integrity and would not interfere with the free use of the treaty ports within their spheres of influence in China.
In reply, each nation evaded Hay's request, taking the position that it could not commit itself until the other nations had complied. During this period there was a strong economic tension. However, by July 1900, Hay announced that each of the powers had granted consent in principle. Although treaties made after 1900 refer to the Open Door Policy, competition among the various powers for special concessions within China for railroad rights, mining rights, loans, foreign trade ports, and so forth, continued unabated.
end quote.
quote:
As a specific policy with regard to China, [the "Open Door Policy"] was first advanced by the United States in the Open Door Notes of September-November 1899. In 1898, the United States had become an East Asian power through the acquisition of the Philippine Islands, and when the partition of China by the European powers and Japan seemed imminent, the United States felt its commercial interests in China threatened. U.S. Secretary of State John Hay sent notes to the major powers (France, Germany, the United Kingdom, Italy, Japan, and Russia), asking them to declare formally that they would uphold Chinese territorial and administrative integrity and would not interfere with the free use of the treaty ports within their spheres of influence in China.
In reply, each nation evaded Hay's request, taking the position that it could not commit itself until the other nations had complied. During this period there was a strong economic tension. However, by July 1900, Hay announced that each of the powers had granted consent in principle. Although treaties made after 1900 refer to the Open Door Policy, competition among the various powers for special concessions within China for railroad rights, mining rights, loans, foreign trade ports, and so forth, continued unabated.
end quote.
From Ebony magazine: Chinese trade in Africa went from 10.8 billion in 2000 to 56 billion in 2006, with direct foreign investment investment of 1.595 billion. The goal of the Chinese govt is 100 billion by 2010. The largest recipient of China's "aid" is the Sudan. And aid comes with a price- it is used to secure access to the oil, mining and timber resources of Africa. The high-profile wooing of Africa has inspired both hope and fear...fear that beneath the rhetoric of friendship lurks a new colonial intent.
China got taught the hard way for over a century, that that is how modern nations behave when they want to survive.
Has the rest of the world really changed its ways much in the last century? and if not, why should China make itself vulnerable again, for the sake of the moral sensibility of a people who have killed a million plus Iraqis for, well.... for what?
Has the rest of the world really changed its ways much in the last century? and if not, why should China make itself vulnerable again, for the sake of the moral sensibility of a people who have killed a million plus Iraqis for, well.... for what?
Its not FOR the Americans taht we protest - its for the Tibetans, who have lost over a million in the Tibetan Occupation. Its for the monks of Burma. Its for the persecuted ethnic minorities and political prisioners of China. Its for the millions of girl babies killed or abandoned. It is for these that we protest.
The US "Open Door Policy" against China couldn't make it more clear:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_door_policy
Also, you're very concerned about the well-being of people in Tibet-- and that is admirable.
What about these reports that mobs are running around, well.... in a word, lynching people.
What if that happened here? Should the cops intervene?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Race_Riot_of_1919
What if they won't-- should troops be used?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine
Or should they leave it for the STATES to decide?
Funny, the "free Tibet" folks get real quiet right about at this point in the debate...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_door_policy
Also, you're very concerned about the well-being of people in Tibet-- and that is admirable.
What about these reports that mobs are running around, well.... in a word, lynching people.
What if that happened here? Should the cops intervene?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chicago_Race_Riot_of_1919
What if they won't-- should troops be used?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine
Or should they leave it for the STATES to decide?
Funny, the "free Tibet" folks get real quiet right about at this point in the debate...
Who are we to tell an oppressed people how to best fight back against an oppressor?
Do you know about the massacre at Nangpa pass? On September 30, 2006 Chinese occupation forces opened fire on 73 Tibetan refugees attempting to escape Tibet through the Nangpa Pass into Nepal. Mountaineers at a nearby Everest base camp witnessed the Chinese border patrol guards taking careful aim and firing at the line of defenseless Tibetans seeking freedom from Chinese repression. Kelsang Namtso, a seventeen year old nun, was shot and killed.
Video footage of this shocking incident was broadcasted internationally - have you seen it yet?
Do you know about the massacre at Nangpa pass? On September 30, 2006 Chinese occupation forces opened fire on 73 Tibetan refugees attempting to escape Tibet through the Nangpa Pass into Nepal. Mountaineers at a nearby Everest base camp witnessed the Chinese border patrol guards taking careful aim and firing at the line of defenseless Tibetans seeking freedom from Chinese repression. Kelsang Namtso, a seventeen year old nun, was shot and killed.
Video footage of this shocking incident was broadcasted internationally - have you seen it yet?
"Who are we to tell an oppressed people how to best fight back against an oppressor?"
I wasn't aware that "Students for Tibet" were particularly oppressed, or that the Chinese government was oppressing them.
Oh.... you mean the Tibetans? Well, I wasn't speaking to them. I don't think lynching people is cool, but maybe that's just my own baggage, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching#United_States
...after all, if the people demand it, who are mere leaders to say no, right?
Or do deny that the rioting in Tibet started with lynchings? If not, then what was the government to do, in your estimation?
Meanwhile... I was speaking to a bunch of American internet users who have a mind to scold the Chinese about how to run their internal affairs, when Americans can't even get it together to impeach a known war criminal with a 20-something approval rating, before he kills again.
But, yes, protesting against China is a lot easier than protesting against the ongoing made-in-USA horror in Iraq, in our names and with our tax dollars, isn't it? After all, unlike with the war at home, you have Congressional leaders, and Faux News, and things, on your side.
Congratulations!
I wasn't aware that "Students for Tibet" were particularly oppressed, or that the Chinese government was oppressing them.
Oh.... you mean the Tibetans? Well, I wasn't speaking to them. I don't think lynching people is cool, but maybe that's just my own baggage, right?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynching#United_States
...after all, if the people demand it, who are mere leaders to say no, right?
Or do deny that the rioting in Tibet started with lynchings? If not, then what was the government to do, in your estimation?
Meanwhile... I was speaking to a bunch of American internet users who have a mind to scold the Chinese about how to run their internal affairs, when Americans can't even get it together to impeach a known war criminal with a 20-something approval rating, before he kills again.
But, yes, protesting against China is a lot easier than protesting against the ongoing made-in-USA horror in Iraq, in our names and with our tax dollars, isn't it? After all, unlike with the war at home, you have Congressional leaders, and Faux News, and things, on your side.
Congratulations!
The Chinese propagandists have been working overtime on this.
So, uh, what Do you do for a living?
I'd vote for paid shill.
So, uh, what Do you do for a living?
I'd vote for paid shill.
...because apparently anyone with a weekday off can't be, you know... legitimate.
Here! have a prize, for teamwork:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3e/McCarthyandCohn.jpg
For whom do you shill? Because shillin' is equal opportunity these days, dig. Perhaps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Committee_for_the_Liberation_of_the_Peoples_of_Russia
Naah, a bit old fashioned. How about, perhaps more appropriately:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Anti-Communist_League
Or go for an old favorite everyone loves! and say it's a function of your religious conscience:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church
See, you got way better paying things to shill for than I do-- no fair! I think I'll go pout, daydreaming of my revenge for this, this... exposure:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Is_this_tomorrow.jpg
...and leave you to your reading:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/RedChannelsCover.jpg
Here! have a prize, for teamwork:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/3/3e/McCarthyandCohn.jpg
For whom do you shill? Because shillin' is equal opportunity these days, dig. Perhaps:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Committee_for_the_Liberation_of_the_Peoples_of_Russia
Naah, a bit old fashioned. How about, perhaps more appropriately:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Anti-Communist_League
Or go for an old favorite everyone loves! and say it's a function of your religious conscience:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unification_Church
See, you got way better paying things to shill for than I do-- no fair! I think I'll go pout, daydreaming of my revenge for this, this... exposure:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/2/21/Is_this_tomorrow.jpg
...and leave you to your reading:
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/8/84/RedChannelsCover.jpg
Actually, I was hoping this gig would get me promoted to "stooge and lackey."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stooges_%28album%29
You can be my dupe...
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/units/cloning/index.cfm
Well, it's been real nice talking with you, but now I gotta run. I think I left the ringer on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Stooges_%28album%29
You can be my dupe...
http://learn.genetics.utah.edu/units/cloning/index.cfm
Well, it's been real nice talking with you, but now I gotta run. I think I left the ringer on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ringer
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