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Forget the Olympic Torch: Free Tibet!
Monday, March 24, 2008 : With Beijing hosting the Olympics in August, “Free Tibet” should be the Bay Area’s battle cry.
Especially with the Olympic Torch scheduled to come through San Francisco in early April. In fact, San Francisco is the only U.S. city slated to receive the official relay.
Especially with the Olympic Torch scheduled to come through San Francisco in early April. In fact, San Francisco is the only U.S. city slated to receive the official relay.
San Francisco Supervisor Chris Daly wants Mayor Gavin Newsom and the Board of Supervisors to make it clear when the flame arrives that the City is not in agreement with the Chinese government’s mistreatment of the people of Tibet.Read More
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I wrote some comments on Tibet to a newspaper recently, which were categorically rejected, out of respect for the Tibetans presumably, since I was sharp. What I didn't want to mention is that I am a Tibetan, and know everything of Tibet, probably better than the Dalai Lama. Newspapers are too conservative, with their sentimental approach, and it is a real blasphemy to see what nonsense they accept - all very friendly - yes, but hypocritical to the core! Fidel Castro is condemned as a fascist, and now that the peaceful Tibetans are rising up, they get sentimental and we all have to cry. A real doublemindedness is revealed, as if it is not generally understood that the suppression of Tibet can't keep being met with the archetypal, apologetic Asian smiles - our eyes are slanted that way, it is said, but we can still see - as to make the media cry. Many people manoeuvre the Tibetans in front of their own cart. The wheel is turning. We are only a pretext. Keep smiling. The times, they are changing. May Maitreya save us.
"Tibet, closely linked with China long before the 1949 revolution, has gained much, both economically and socially, from being an autonomous region within People’s China."
Clearly the Tibetans don't agree. Perhaps they reject mass murder, cultural genocide and colonialization.
Clearly the Tibetans don't agree. Perhaps they reject mass murder, cultural genocide and colonialization.
Historically, since the inception of the People's Republic of China, the U.S. has embarked on a campaign to destabilize the Chinese government, often using Tibet as a wedge to that end. There's a long history of U.S. intelligence training Tibetan "dissidents" (i.e. agents provocateurs) to stir the spot, so to speak. Read David Wise's excellent book on the subject "The Politics of Lying: Government Deception, Secrecy, and Power". There's a whole chapter devoted to CIA sponsorship and training of Tibetan guerrilla fighters.
So, what's going on in Tibet is not cultural genocide; it's U.S. subversion. Why should we support it?
Want a war with China? I don't think so.
So, what's going on in Tibet is not cultural genocide; it's U.S. subversion. Why should we support it?
Want a war with China? I don't think so.
The Tibet situation should be exposed and this can be done by having a hearing before the San Francisco Human Rights Commission (SF HRC).
The SF HRC first started in the Bayview and since camping at 25 Van Ness - the Commission has failed to address any serious issue.
With inept SF HR Commissioners like Michael Sweet for example you cannot expect to get anything done.
Diane Feinstein has vested interests in China. Others like Michael Sweet planted at the SF HRC will tow the line and mostly follow what the Mother, of Water Boarding has to say. At other times follow the orders of Mayor Gavin Newsom.
We need a hearing on Tibet to hear first hand again what the people really feel about the situation. We also need a hearing on the dying children in our backyard in the Bayview Hunters Point. A hearing on the Unfinished Agenda and the Out-Migration of African Americans.
Let us see how Linda Richardson addresses this issue - and conflict of interest making money off Lennar and AIMCO on the side. She is on the SF HR Commission too.
After that we can schedule hearings on other issues. If the SF HRC does not serve its purpose - it must be dismantled.
China has to be told to be sincere in its actions in Darfur as well as Tibet.
The Olympics are here and China must learn to behave itself - it can make the self-correction with Tibet and stop killing the innocent people from Tibet.
The fact still remain China invaded Tibet - much like the United States invaded Iraq.
The SF HRC first started in the Bayview and since camping at 25 Van Ness - the Commission has failed to address any serious issue.
With inept SF HR Commissioners like Michael Sweet for example you cannot expect to get anything done.
Diane Feinstein has vested interests in China. Others like Michael Sweet planted at the SF HRC will tow the line and mostly follow what the Mother, of Water Boarding has to say. At other times follow the orders of Mayor Gavin Newsom.
We need a hearing on Tibet to hear first hand again what the people really feel about the situation. We also need a hearing on the dying children in our backyard in the Bayview Hunters Point. A hearing on the Unfinished Agenda and the Out-Migration of African Americans.
Let us see how Linda Richardson addresses this issue - and conflict of interest making money off Lennar and AIMCO on the side. She is on the SF HR Commission too.
After that we can schedule hearings on other issues. If the SF HRC does not serve its purpose - it must be dismantled.
China has to be told to be sincere in its actions in Darfur as well as Tibet.
The Olympics are here and China must learn to behave itself - it can make the self-correction with Tibet and stop killing the innocent people from Tibet.
The fact still remain China invaded Tibet - much like the United States invaded Iraq.
March 19th was a day of direct action, after all.
We should all line the streets in protest when the Olympic torch comes through
Say no to consumerism.
Say no to occupation.
Free, Free Tibet
We should all line the streets in protest when the Olympic torch comes through
Say no to consumerism.
Say no to occupation.
Free, Free Tibet
Thus continues the communist line of, if the US supports it, we'd better oppose it on principle. Way to think logically and reasonably. The double standards you scumbags have are fucking hysterical. Robert Mugabe: bulldozes entire poor neighborhoods, political repression of dissidents, etc. Bad guy right? Oh, shit, the west is against him. Probably a heroic freedom fighter doing his best to keep his nation free.
According to Amnesty:
"Tibetans in the Tibet Autonomous Region and other areas experienced severe restrictions on their rights to freedom of religious belief, expression and association, and discrimination in employment. Many were detained or imprisoned for observing their religion or expressing opinions, including Tibetan Buddhist monks and nuns. Excessive use of force against Tibetans seeking to flee repression in Tibet continued. In September witnesses saw Chinese border patrol guards shooting at a group of Tibetans attempting to reach Nepal. At least one child was confirmed killed.
• Woeser, a leading Tibetan intellectual, had her weblog shut down several times after she raised questions about China's role in Tibet.
• Sonam Gyalpo, a former monk, was sentenced to 12 years' imprisonment in mid-2006 for "endangering state security" after the authorities found videos of the Dalai Lama and other "incriminating materials" in his house. His family learned of his trial and sentencing when they tried to visit him in detention. "
People's Republic, huh? Get hit by a truck, maodroid.
According to Amnesty:
"Tibetans in the Tibet Autonomous Region and other areas experienced severe restrictions on their rights to freedom of religious belief, expression and association, and discrimination in employment. Many were detained or imprisoned for observing their religion or expressing opinions, including Tibetan Buddhist monks and nuns. Excessive use of force against Tibetans seeking to flee repression in Tibet continued. In September witnesses saw Chinese border patrol guards shooting at a group of Tibetans attempting to reach Nepal. At least one child was confirmed killed.
• Woeser, a leading Tibetan intellectual, had her weblog shut down several times after she raised questions about China's role in Tibet.
• Sonam Gyalpo, a former monk, was sentenced to 12 years' imprisonment in mid-2006 for "endangering state security" after the authorities found videos of the Dalai Lama and other "incriminating materials" in his house. His family learned of his trial and sentencing when they tried to visit him in detention. "
People's Republic, huh? Get hit by a truck, maodroid.
Its so much worse- over 1.2 million Tibetans have been killed since the Chine takeover- they have been literally replaced with Han Chinese, in an effort to cover up the crime. Chinese actually built a railroad through this ecologically fragile area to facilitate the transfer of Han Chinese. I went to the ANSWER rally March 19th in hopes this would be on the agenda- not a word. Not a single word.
The lack of mention on March 19TH might have something to do with the "free tibet" "movement" being pro-western/pro-imperialist forces. Interesting that the author of this article mentions the meeting of the Dali Llama and Nancy Pelosi. Maybe you all want Pelosi to divert some of the freedoms Iraq has gotten further east.
Whatever the rights and/or wrongs of Chinese actions in Tibet, there's nothing much anti-imperialists in the U.S. can do about them. To call on the U.S. government or any of its supporters to take action regarding Tibet (or Darfur or anywhere else) is to provide a mask of legitimacy for the U.S. Empire's depredations around the world. I'm sure that imperialist liberals and other lovers of the U.S. Empire will have no problem with that, but the rest of us should!
The example of Kosovo should be kept in mind. Fake leftists, like the German Greens, provided cover for the imperialist attack on Yugoslavia in 1999 to supposedly protect the Kosovo Albanians. Now, Kosovo is an "independent" NATO base that can be used against the peoples of the Mediterranean area and beyond.
Moreover, China is one of the few countries that can provide any kind of counterweight to the U.S. and thus provide maneuvering space for countries and movements threatened by U.S. power. While China, fortunately, has nuclear weapons and can't be destroyed as easily as Yugoslavia was, we can be sure that the U.S. and its imperialist allies would love to have an "independent" Tibet as a base for their (presently Cold) war against China as well as meddling in South and Southeast Asia.
The example of Kosovo should be kept in mind. Fake leftists, like the German Greens, provided cover for the imperialist attack on Yugoslavia in 1999 to supposedly protect the Kosovo Albanians. Now, Kosovo is an "independent" NATO base that can be used against the peoples of the Mediterranean area and beyond.
Moreover, China is one of the few countries that can provide any kind of counterweight to the U.S. and thus provide maneuvering space for countries and movements threatened by U.S. power. While China, fortunately, has nuclear weapons and can't be destroyed as easily as Yugoslavia was, we can be sure that the U.S. and its imperialist allies would love to have an "independent" Tibet as a base for their (presently Cold) war against China as well as meddling in South and Southeast Asia.
It is amazing how many people are willing to express-- here at an Indymedia node!-- sentiments that boil down to the restoration of a medieval theocracy (for someone else's country, natch-- Americans always know what's best for other people's countries). All you PRC critics should stop and meditate for just a moment on the fact that compared to what it replaced, Communist China is a shining beacon of democracy in Tibet.
It's also telling but not surprising that the attack on the CP piece was typical red-baiting BS that never engaged any of the opinion piece's, you know, actual points points. That's probably because it was actually a sane, moderate, and reasoned response-- one that put a premium on protecting people's lives, and one that acknowledged the Tibetan people's relatively new-found freedoms to eat, to read something besides prayer flags, and to go to the hospital. If you're so offended by "imperialism," put down your "Free Tibet" signs and try "Free Hawaii" or "Free Aztlan" or get with AIM or something. Clean your own house first, instead of going to lecture China like America's felt utterly free to do ever since the USA conquered and subjugated the Philippines, and suddenly decided it had "interests" there. You know they sent missionaries, to prepare the way for those "interests," right? missionaries who seemed to be running out of Native Americans for some reason...
And as for Tommi Avicolli-Mecca, for shame! If you're so set on publicly shilling for theocratic restoration, start closer to home, and advocate the restoration of central Italy to the Papacy. Or, hell-- become a Republican! Oh, but this Dalai Lama is a far cry from Pat Robertson, you say? That may be-- this one seems to prefer Hollywood-liberal flavored American-cultural global supremacy. What guarantees the next one won't be running Tibet like Rios Montt ran Guatemala? (Go wiki it, kids-- we'll wait.)
I'll tell ya who-- the People's Liberation Army, that's who.
It's also telling but not surprising that the attack on the CP piece was typical red-baiting BS that never engaged any of the opinion piece's, you know, actual points points. That's probably because it was actually a sane, moderate, and reasoned response-- one that put a premium on protecting people's lives, and one that acknowledged the Tibetan people's relatively new-found freedoms to eat, to read something besides prayer flags, and to go to the hospital. If you're so offended by "imperialism," put down your "Free Tibet" signs and try "Free Hawaii" or "Free Aztlan" or get with AIM or something. Clean your own house first, instead of going to lecture China like America's felt utterly free to do ever since the USA conquered and subjugated the Philippines, and suddenly decided it had "interests" there. You know they sent missionaries, to prepare the way for those "interests," right? missionaries who seemed to be running out of Native Americans for some reason...
And as for Tommi Avicolli-Mecca, for shame! If you're so set on publicly shilling for theocratic restoration, start closer to home, and advocate the restoration of central Italy to the Papacy. Or, hell-- become a Republican! Oh, but this Dalai Lama is a far cry from Pat Robertson, you say? That may be-- this one seems to prefer Hollywood-liberal flavored American-cultural global supremacy. What guarantees the next one won't be running Tibet like Rios Montt ran Guatemala? (Go wiki it, kids-- we'll wait.)
I'll tell ya who-- the People's Liberation Army, that's who.
And the US is complicit in the oppression of the tibetan people through its pandering of China. If it weren't for China, after all, the rampent consumerism of the American public would remain unquenched. We Need China to keep us supplied with happy meal toys.
You don't like who Tibet has chosen to govern themselves? Too f'en bad. Thats self determination. Its no more theocractic than Hamas, and I have news for you, big boy- Hamas is the palestinians peoples choice, so keep your western nose out of THEIR business too.
You don't get to impose your Western values on the world.
You don't like who Tibet has chosen to govern themselves? Too f'en bad. Thats self determination. Its no more theocractic than Hamas, and I have news for you, big boy- Hamas is the palestinians peoples choice, so keep your western nose out of THEIR business too.
You don't get to impose your Western values on the world.
"All you PRC critics should stop and meditate for just a moment on the fact that compared to what it replaced, Communist China is a shining beacon of democracy in Tibet."
HA. HA. HA HA.
In the mainland alone, with his "Great Leap Forward," Mao killed over 70,000,000 people through starvation and violence. Since the invasion, 173,221 Tibetans died in prisons and labor camps; 156,758 by execution; 342,970 by starvation; 432,705 in battles and uprisings; 92,731 by torture; and 9,002 by suicide. Liberation?
HA. HA. HA HA.
In the mainland alone, with his "Great Leap Forward," Mao killed over 70,000,000 people through starvation and violence. Since the invasion, 173,221 Tibetans died in prisons and labor camps; 156,758 by execution; 342,970 by starvation; 432,705 in battles and uprisings; 92,731 by torture; and 9,002 by suicide. Liberation?
...it seems particularly ironic that your English is good enough to suggest you may well be American, or at least grown up in the good ol' USA! Number One!
And Americans have so much room to criticize body counts related to other people's democratization projects, when their own country was founded on slavery and genocide, right down to these most memorable days of The Iraq War.
Yeah, Tibet (and for that matter China) will be, just, lining up for lessons from America in "democracy."
'ha ha ha' indeed.
And Americans have so much room to criticize body counts related to other people's democratization projects, when their own country was founded on slavery and genocide, right down to these most memorable days of The Iraq War.
Yeah, Tibet (and for that matter China) will be, just, lining up for lessons from America in "democracy."
'ha ha ha' indeed.
So it's perfectly OK for Europeans to colonize the Americas, Asia, Africa... Double standards.
How on Earth did Christopher Columbus "discover" America when there were already millions of native americans living on those lands already? huh?
Some of you ignorant people cry that the Han Chinese are replacing Tibetans... but it's perfectly OK that white Europeans murdered all the natives in the American continent? hmmmm.
How on Earth did Christopher Columbus "discover" America when there were already millions of native americans living on those lands already? huh?
Some of you ignorant people cry that the Han Chinese are replacing Tibetans... but it's perfectly OK that white Europeans murdered all the natives in the American continent? hmmmm.
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