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Monday, Oct. 30 Report from Oaxaca
While the global media conglomerates call this a solution to the Oaxaca Problem, and claim that the government has reestablished order and taken control of the city center, today it is obvious that they are lying.
The police have amassed quite a force here. True. The march to the city center was swift and brutal. True. The police control Oaxaca City. Absolutely false.
People took to the streets today en masse, with three separate marches converging near the Zócalo and marching past the police lines. The police occupied the Zócalo yesterday and destroyed what people had built up, but it is clear that this is not end-game, but rather a show of force designed to scare people off the streets and out of the meetings.
People took to the streets today en masse, with three separate marches converging near the Zócalo and marching past the police lines. The police occupied the Zócalo yesterday and destroyed what people had built up, but it is clear that this is not end-game, but rather a show of force designed to scare people off the streets and out of the meetings.
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danielsan: thanks for the on-going coverage of the people, not the police. viva indymedia! keep safe.
"Visit Oaxaca; Enjoy the Repression."
¡QUE VIVA LA APPO! ¡QUE VIVA OAXACA! ¡QUE VIVA INDYMEDIA!
Take care of yourself, Danielsan!
Take care of yourself, Danielsan!
A big difference I've noticed between friends who have been to Oaxaca who have at least some analysis of their surroundings and what I'm reading on-line is the importance of APPO, both from the perspective of Oaxacans and for our interest here. APPO is spending the current crisis denouncing provacateurs and 'those outside the movement', saying that resistance to the military gives them justification for violence. Then, indymedia reporters and others are reporting that basically, APPO is at the center of what's happening in Oaxaca and not paying any recognition to this fact that APPO is denouncing the people who are fighting back.
The simple fact is that many people do not agree with this "head of the movement, representation" view of struggle, let alone non-violence as a code.
Appo is very undecided in the minds of many of us in the States, not to mention that obviously there is a fair amount of disdain from Oaxacans themselves( a simple surmising of historical situations ie. this is not exactly a new phenomena that 'representatives' move from pronouncing the motives and demands of a movement to its guidelines, restrictions, and enemies- and people quickly wisen to the fact that someone is labeling their resistance as "acting on the part of the state"). My point is, something doesn't fit. People don't go out and fight the cops when people are being shot, and then later say 'oh, we were really HELPING the state in that situation'. So its not hard to see that APPO plays something of a reactionary role in the situation. What's important is for us to recognize the presence of real struggle going on, and reject the spin and political language which allows repression and class conflict to be mystified.
If there's any hope at all, its that APPO is far less influential than is being portrayed( which, from what I've heard is true), and that there is a general consciousness in Oaxaca that ALL political solutions are antagonistic to the quality of life. It would also help to see more discussion around the fact that there is an obvious conflict of interest between APPO and some of the people on the streets.
The simple fact is that many people do not agree with this "head of the movement, representation" view of struggle, let alone non-violence as a code.
Appo is very undecided in the minds of many of us in the States, not to mention that obviously there is a fair amount of disdain from Oaxacans themselves( a simple surmising of historical situations ie. this is not exactly a new phenomena that 'representatives' move from pronouncing the motives and demands of a movement to its guidelines, restrictions, and enemies- and people quickly wisen to the fact that someone is labeling their resistance as "acting on the part of the state"). My point is, something doesn't fit. People don't go out and fight the cops when people are being shot, and then later say 'oh, we were really HELPING the state in that situation'. So its not hard to see that APPO plays something of a reactionary role in the situation. What's important is for us to recognize the presence of real struggle going on, and reject the spin and political language which allows repression and class conflict to be mystified.
If there's any hope at all, its that APPO is far less influential than is being portrayed( which, from what I've heard is true), and that there is a general consciousness in Oaxaca that ALL political solutions are antagonistic to the quality of life. It would also help to see more discussion around the fact that there is an obvious conflict of interest between APPO and some of the people on the streets.
i am so greatful for these reports from oaxaca. those of us in corporate media land are starving for this information. we need to document the attempts to take PUBLIC streets from us and our amazing taking of streets! many people in power, the federal governments of us and mexico, imf, etc., want to diminish our right to assemble and whats going on in oaxaca reminds us that we have the power in the streets and we will continue to maintain it. stand up for our rights!
updates:
http://mexico.indymedia.org/oaxaca
http://narconews.com
http://vientos.info/cml
oaxaca solidarity:
http://elenemigocomun.net
http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/oaxaca
http://elenemigocomun.net/category/solidarity
Friends of Brad Will
http://friendsofbradwill.org
http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/bradleywill/archive.html
http://mexico.indymedia.org/oaxaca
http://narconews.com
http://vientos.info/cml
oaxaca solidarity:
http://elenemigocomun.net
http://lists.riseup.net/www/info/oaxaca
http://elenemigocomun.net/category/solidarity
Friends of Brad Will
http://friendsofbradwill.org
http://nyc.indymedia.org/en/bradleywill/archive.html
and the theories begin..
privileged santa cruz anarchists trying to criticize a movement from the outside. how counter-revolutionary is that? okay, so there is no proof this person is a SC anarchist, but I'm pretty sure s/he is.
if you would know anything about the APPO, you would know it is not one entity, but many social justice organizations under one banner, including the anarquistas. so, no, the APPO is not as "structurized" to think as one sole anarchist entity as, ironically, you theoretical anarchists would want. don't you advocate for free-thinking and free-initiative? or is it only when it falls under the theories of anarchy? this is what the APPO is. a meshing of different ideologies uniting for one objective (as of now): getting rid of URO.
plantones (sit-ins), barricades, graffitti, marches, fires...they are all different strategies for one cause. the call to be non-violent is a call in the face of a real massive murder scene in Oaxaca, Tlatelolco style.
please cease to create divisions within the supporters of the APPO. you are not gaining anything from your comments.
privileged santa cruz anarchists trying to criticize a movement from the outside. how counter-revolutionary is that? okay, so there is no proof this person is a SC anarchist, but I'm pretty sure s/he is.
if you would know anything about the APPO, you would know it is not one entity, but many social justice organizations under one banner, including the anarquistas. so, no, the APPO is not as "structurized" to think as one sole anarchist entity as, ironically, you theoretical anarchists would want. don't you advocate for free-thinking and free-initiative? or is it only when it falls under the theories of anarchy? this is what the APPO is. a meshing of different ideologies uniting for one objective (as of now): getting rid of URO.
plantones (sit-ins), barricades, graffitti, marches, fires...they are all different strategies for one cause. the call to be non-violent is a call in the face of a real massive murder scene in Oaxaca, Tlatelolco style.
please cease to create divisions within the supporters of the APPO. you are not gaining anything from your comments.
...so why can't the 'indios' just get with the program? Instead of hopping around like crazed frogs and saluting fatboy Flavio Sosa (whose kids go to private school anyway), why not just hit the road, Juan, and go north to where the work is at? Don't even have to cross the border - there's lots to do up here in Nuevo Leon, Tamaulipas and Coahuila
The indios (and who are they? Aren't we all mestizo?) were beaten when Cortes hit the beach. 5th Columnist tribes, like the Olmec and Huastec, who had something to gain from seeing the Aztec subdued by the 'foreign invader', welcomed their 'libertaion' and sealed the fate of their ever being an opportunity for an indio homeland.
For as long as groups like APPO, the neo-Zapatistas, et al are led by middle-class, university-educated 5th columnists with selfish interests, like Sosa and Guillen, there will always be those whose only desire is to foment trouble, prevent a settllement and keep their lives meaningful - this includes all the 'Armchair Zapatistas' in the US and Europe.
Luis Echeverria must be beaming at the PFP's antics - even if Brad Will's death was a 'mistake ' - and, seriously, how are sticks, stones, molotov cocktails and .22 pistols gonna's stack up against the bullyboys in black who have history on their side?
Get with the program, get the teachers back in school and the kids back at their desks. Teach them that all this violence is of no help whatsoever - as two civil wars can attest - and Ruiz is out of office soon anyway...'Effective Suffrage. No Re-Election' is not an empty promise.
The indios (and who are they? Aren't we all mestizo?) were beaten when Cortes hit the beach. 5th Columnist tribes, like the Olmec and Huastec, who had something to gain from seeing the Aztec subdued by the 'foreign invader', welcomed their 'libertaion' and sealed the fate of their ever being an opportunity for an indio homeland.
For as long as groups like APPO, the neo-Zapatistas, et al are led by middle-class, university-educated 5th columnists with selfish interests, like Sosa and Guillen, there will always be those whose only desire is to foment trouble, prevent a settllement and keep their lives meaningful - this includes all the 'Armchair Zapatistas' in the US and Europe.
Luis Echeverria must be beaming at the PFP's antics - even if Brad Will's death was a 'mistake ' - and, seriously, how are sticks, stones, molotov cocktails and .22 pistols gonna's stack up against the bullyboys in black who have history on their side?
Get with the program, get the teachers back in school and the kids back at their desks. Teach them that all this violence is of no help whatsoever - as two civil wars can attest - and Ruiz is out of office soon anyway...'Effective Suffrage. No Re-Election' is not an empty promise.
QUE VIVA LA APPO! QUE CHINGUEN SU MADRE LOS GACHUPINES...Y LOS VENDIDOS!
Por favor, explicame.
En sabado pásado (30 Octobre), hay fotos en 'El Milenio' (un periodico de Monterrey, NL) de los lineas APPO en Oaxaca. En un foto, es muy claro - hay tres personas con pistolas que tiran. A quien?
Hay respuesto por ese?
En sabado pásado (30 Octobre), hay fotos en 'El Milenio' (un periodico de Monterrey, NL) de los lineas APPO en Oaxaca. En un foto, es muy claro - hay tres personas con pistolas que tiran. A quien?
Hay respuesto por ese?
Los que llevan camisetas rojas son los paramilitares. No son del APPO. No trabajan por el pueblo, sino que por las esfuerzas de URO y Fox.
From : Robert Flory
Sent : Thursday, November 2, 2006 3:10 PM
Subject : Oaxaca update. 2 Nov. 2006
I leave tomorrow so this will be my last update. Today has been a very active
day. A pair of helicopters has been circling all day. The zócolo is closed
although yesterday the police were letting people walk through. This morning
the PFP advanced on Ciudad Universitaria. There is some question as to whether
they have authority to do this as universities in Mexico are autonomous, but
advance they did with 6 "tanquetas". These are basically armored trucks
equipped with front shovels like snow plows (to move obstacles) and water
cannons. The water is said to contain chili so it will burn the eyes. They used
a lot of tear gas as well. At least 8 people were injured, among them two
photographers, two policemen and 1 demonstrator. I haven't been down there yet
but saw footage on the TV and a lot of smoke. My friend reports tear gas being
used near her house just north of the university. Apparently the police have
made a retreat this afternoon and the university radio is still broadcasting.
You can find them here: http://radio.indymedia.org/ search for the "Radio APPO"
link. I don't know if the police will make another attempt this evening. The
police have also been going into people's houses to arrest them. One person
reports a three step campaign by the police: take the zócolo, remove the
barricades and arrest some 200 prominent people in the resistance. The first
two steps have been accomplished. No one knows how long will the police will
remain or what will happen when they leave.
Even more dangerous are the priistas and porros who support or are being paid
by the government. Often armed, they drive around in vans or pickups. Most of
the deaths in the past five months can be attributed to these people. Several
people have also disappeared. The teachers are unarmed, although the APPO does
have sticks, machetes and Molotov cocktails. The people accused of killing US
citizen Bradly Roland Will "escaped" from jail. This is how the government
works here. None of the detained teachers have managed to escape.
Today is the Day of the Dead and there are altars honoring those killed in the
struggle at the teacher's new platón site, the plaza outside of Santo Domingo.
Today's paper says the 4000 teachers of sector 2 of section 22 of the federal
union of teachers (SNTE), those who work here in Oaxaca, have decided not to
return to class, although teachers in other parts of the state are returning.
In one town teachers were prevented from entering a school by other teachers
and in another by parents. It seems that the teachers' demands are in the
background while the APPO is resisting the PFP. The teachers were guarding the
government buildings but its not clear what they are doing now. They are not
being paid and 10's or 100's of thousands of children are not attending class.
President Fox is saying that the problem in Oaxaca is more difficult than he
realized and will most likely be inherited by his successor, Felipe Calderon in
December. The government of this city remains paralyzed, now for over 5 months.
The economy is suffering badly from reduced tourism. Normally the hotels would
have been full of tourists for the Day of Dead, and back in July, the
Guelaguetza.
There continue to be protests in other parts of the country, most notably
Chiapas where subcomandante Marcos called for roads to be closed and other
actions is support of the Oaxaca struggle yesterday. He is also calling for a
nation wide work stoppage on Nov. 20.
Please find some photos from yahoo news attached. Their complete slide show can
be found here:
http://mx.news.yahoo.com/fotos/ss/events/ts/20061006_oaxaca/im:/061026/8/1xi0g.html?sp=-1&lsp=6000
I hope I've been able to give an accurate picture of the events I've
experienced here, a small part of all that is happening. Thank you all,
Robert
Sent : Thursday, November 2, 2006 3:10 PM
Subject : Oaxaca update. 2 Nov. 2006
I leave tomorrow so this will be my last update. Today has been a very active
day. A pair of helicopters has been circling all day. The zócolo is closed
although yesterday the police were letting people walk through. This morning
the PFP advanced on Ciudad Universitaria. There is some question as to whether
they have authority to do this as universities in Mexico are autonomous, but
advance they did with 6 "tanquetas". These are basically armored trucks
equipped with front shovels like snow plows (to move obstacles) and water
cannons. The water is said to contain chili so it will burn the eyes. They used
a lot of tear gas as well. At least 8 people were injured, among them two
photographers, two policemen and 1 demonstrator. I haven't been down there yet
but saw footage on the TV and a lot of smoke. My friend reports tear gas being
used near her house just north of the university. Apparently the police have
made a retreat this afternoon and the university radio is still broadcasting.
You can find them here: http://radio.indymedia.org/ search for the "Radio APPO"
link. I don't know if the police will make another attempt this evening. The
police have also been going into people's houses to arrest them. One person
reports a three step campaign by the police: take the zócolo, remove the
barricades and arrest some 200 prominent people in the resistance. The first
two steps have been accomplished. No one knows how long will the police will
remain or what will happen when they leave.
Even more dangerous are the priistas and porros who support or are being paid
by the government. Often armed, they drive around in vans or pickups. Most of
the deaths in the past five months can be attributed to these people. Several
people have also disappeared. The teachers are unarmed, although the APPO does
have sticks, machetes and Molotov cocktails. The people accused of killing US
citizen Bradly Roland Will "escaped" from jail. This is how the government
works here. None of the detained teachers have managed to escape.
Today is the Day of the Dead and there are altars honoring those killed in the
struggle at the teacher's new platón site, the plaza outside of Santo Domingo.
Today's paper says the 4000 teachers of sector 2 of section 22 of the federal
union of teachers (SNTE), those who work here in Oaxaca, have decided not to
return to class, although teachers in other parts of the state are returning.
In one town teachers were prevented from entering a school by other teachers
and in another by parents. It seems that the teachers' demands are in the
background while the APPO is resisting the PFP. The teachers were guarding the
government buildings but its not clear what they are doing now. They are not
being paid and 10's or 100's of thousands of children are not attending class.
President Fox is saying that the problem in Oaxaca is more difficult than he
realized and will most likely be inherited by his successor, Felipe Calderon in
December. The government of this city remains paralyzed, now for over 5 months.
The economy is suffering badly from reduced tourism. Normally the hotels would
have been full of tourists for the Day of Dead, and back in July, the
Guelaguetza.
There continue to be protests in other parts of the country, most notably
Chiapas where subcomandante Marcos called for roads to be closed and other
actions is support of the Oaxaca struggle yesterday. He is also calling for a
nation wide work stoppage on Nov. 20.
Please find some photos from yahoo news attached. Their complete slide show can
be found here:
http://mx.news.yahoo.com/fotos/ss/events/ts/20061006_oaxaca/im:/061026/8/1xi0g.html?sp=-1&lsp=6000
I hope I've been able to give an accurate picture of the events I've
experienced here, a small part of all that is happening. Thank you all,
Robert
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