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Bay Area's Own Tom Lantos Votes To Ammend The Bill Of Rights

by reposts
Three Bay Area members of Congress voted Wednesday for a perennial proposed constitutional amendment to outlaw the burning of the Stars and Stripes.

Rep. Tom Lantos, D-San Mateo; Rep. Richard Pombo,

R-Tracy; and Rep. Dennis Cardoza, D-Atwater, were among the 286 yea votes, which was eight more than the amendment needed to pass the House.
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Lantos' spokeswoman, Lynne Weil, said he was on the House floor later Wednesday and unavailable for comment.

But Weil said the Hungarian-born Lantos "has been very consistent on this subject, and he feels strongly — particularly because he's an American by choice — that America's symbols are important enough to get special protection."
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http://www.insidebayarea.com/sanmateocountytimes/localnews/ci_2818902

This would be the first Constitutional ammendment that would directly ammend the Bill of Rights.

Apparently Tom Lantos values some piece of fabric more than the Bill of Rights.

Tom Lantos has stood steadfast against freedom for years. In the September 30, 2002 edition of the Israeli newspaper Ha'aretz, he told Minister of Knesset Colette Avital, "My dear Colette, you won't have any problem with Saddam. We'll be rid of the bastard soon enough. And in his place we'll install a pro-Western dictator, who will be good for us and for you." (see http://www.counterpunch.org/terrall1025.html )


§Flag Burning today, the rest of the Bill of Rights tomorrow
by Dummorcrats (reposted)
I don't have a lot of time to post these days, as I'm hard at work studying to pass the New York Bar Exam, but I just had to take time out to highlight the stupidest comment I've read in a long, long time.

It seems that the House of Representatives has approved an anti-flag desecration amendment ( http://apnews.myway.com/article/20050622/D8ASREC00.html ), prompting Rep. Randy (Duke) Cunningham, R-Calif to assert:

"Ask the men and women who stood on top of the (World) Trade Center ... [a]sk them and they will tell you: pass this amendment."


Oh really, Randy? Well, by that "logic," (and I use the term very lightly) dog, I suppose you could also throw out "ask the men and women who stood on top of the World Trade Center - they'd say repeal the whole Bill of Rights," or maybe "ask the men and women who stood on top of the World Trade Center - they'd say drink Pepsi!"

Randy, you're an idiot. Don't believe me? Just ask the people who stood on top of the World Trade Center on September 11th.

More
http://www.dummocrats.com/archives/000996.php
It is hard to believe with all the problems the country faces today that there are still elected officials who seek to waste their time with yet another attempt to outlaw a form of speech that is wrapped in patriotic overtones for both sides. They obviously think this is an easy form of voter solicitation for reelection purposes. As you rightly point out, however, the victim would be the Bill of Rights and our constitutional balance. The irony is that, should something like this pass, it will likely bring about more flag burning protests where few or none now exist.

Michael Pope, Chicago
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No one can "desecrate" the flag, by definition. Only sacred objects can be desecrated, and the American flag, beloved as it is, is not one. To amend the Constitution to prohibit the desecration of the flag would constitute the establishment of religion, which clearly is unconstitutional.

Philip L. Blackwell, Chicago
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You asked for comment -- here's mine. I am a veteran of the Viet Nam era. I swore to defend the United States Constitution when I joined the army in 1965. I have continued to defend the Constitution as a civilian and have always understood that freedom of speech should not be constrained by the government. That freedom is something that sets the United States apart from some other countries in the world. We are allowed to openly criticize our government and our governmental officials when we do not agree with them.

I oppose any amendment to the Constitution that seeks to limit that freedom to speak out and am pleased that the Tribune opposes it as well. The flag is and has long been a very powerful symbol of the United States. But it is just a symbol, not the country itself. I, for one, believe that in order to preserve the cherished freedom of speech, we must allow someone to "speak" by burning or otherwise desecrating the flag. In so doing, we guarantee that freedom of speech will continue in this country. Thank you for allowing me to speak my mind.

Bruce T. Lang, Bloomington
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As a Republican, I have to take issue with a Constitutional amendment to protect the flag.

Title 1, Chapter 4, Section 8 of the U.S. Code states that, "The flag, when it is in such condition that it is no longer a fitting emblem for display, should be destroyed in a dignified way, preferably by burning."

Therefore, burning the flag is not the issue itself.

What is the issue is burning the flag as a protest. Since the action (burning the flag) is clearly not the problem, obviously the statement (the anti-government sentiment behind protest burning) is. Therefore, unless it were to propose banning any burning of the flag, there is no way to view the proposed amendment as anything but an attempt to stifle free – if offensive - speech.

Craig Shields, Chicago
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I was surprised to learn that the war in Iraq is over, that hunger and poverty have been eradicated, that global warming and the AIDS crisis have been effectively dealt with, and that we as a nation are no longer faced with any serious issues. Otherwise, why would Congress have the time to be busying itself with that recurring publicity stunt known as the flag desecration amendment?

Erich Schrempp, Chicago
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As a Girl Scout I learned how to respect the flag. We were taught how to fold it neatly into a triangle. We fought over who would carry it and who would make sure it never touched the ground. Now we are faced with a Congress who wants to desecrate the flag by curtailing our freedoms. Flag burning is just one very rare way that people critical of the government show their anger. What is to stop the Congress from outlawing other forms of speech? Why don't we deal with real issues of the day? Here are a few to start out with: fully funding public education, fully funding

Medicare, and addressing how we are going to get out of Iraq.

Veronica I. Arreola, Chicago
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by past history
Monday, Apr. 14, 2003:
'John Doe' and Alyosha Witness appeared in Jackson County Court today on charges stemming from Saturday's flag burning at an anti-war rally in the Ashland Plaza. The two men are each charged with 2 counts of Reckless Endangerment and 1 count of Disorderly Conduct.
http://indybay.org/news/2003/04/1600540.php

A Brief History
of Flag Burning
http://www.esquilax.com/flag/history.html

by just wondering
How about a paper flag?

How about flag patch on jacket sleeve?

How about a flag that looksa lot like a US flag, but isn't one, because one of the stripes is missing?

How about a photo of a flag?

How about an animated GIF of a flag burning?
by more illegal things
Right-wing cursing on Fox News programs with a flag in the background is also likely to considered an obcense use of the flag under the new ammendment.

A ban on singing the National Athem out of tune or engaging in crotch grabbing while singing it will need to be added to the constitution too as will referring to America as Amerikkka and the use of Uncle Sam looking images to sell crap.

by karl roenfanz ( rosey ) (k_rosey48 [at] hotmail.com)
restricting the right to protest the wrongs in this country, please deport me back to the united states of america !
by cremater
"The Congress shall have power to prohibit the physical desecration of the flag of the United States." Hopefully this is flag in the present tense, so burn away on 48, 49 and 51 star flags. Or 12 stripe flags. But, whenever a 50-star flag is deemed "no longer fit to serve as a symbol of the United States," you can burn that too! Woo hoo.

* The flag should never be dipped to any person or thing.
* The flag is flown upside down only as a distress signal.
* The flag should not be used as a drapery, or for covering a speakers desk, draping a platform, or for any decoration in general. Bunting of blue, white and red stripes is available for these purposes. The blue stripe of the bunting should be on the top.
* The flag should never be drawn back or bunched up in any way.
* The flag should never be used as a covering for a ceiling.
* The flag should never be used for any advertising purpose. It should not be embroidered, printed or otherwise impressed on such articles as cushions, handkerchiefs, napkins, boxes or anything intended to be discarded after temporary use. Advertising signs should not be attached to the staff or halyard.
* The flag should not be used as part of a costume or athletic uniform, except that a flag patch may be used on the uniform of military personnel, firemen, policemen and members of patriotic organizations.
* The flag should never have placed on it, or attached to it, any mark, insignia, letter, word, number, figure, or drawing of any kind.
* The flag should never be used as a receptacle for receiving, holding, carrying, or delivering anything.
* The flag should not be draped over the hood, top, sides, or back of a vehicle, railroad train or boat.
* When the flag is lowered, no part of it should touch the ground or any other object; it should be received by waiting hands and arms. To store the flag it should be folded neatly and ceremoniously.
* The flag should be cleaned and mended when necessary.
* When a flag is so worn it is no longer fit to serve as a symbol of the United States, it should be destroyed in a dignified manner, preferably by burning. (Note: Most American Legion Posts regularly conduct a dignified flag burning ceremony, often on Flag Day, June 14.)

Contrary to a commonly believed urban legend, the flag code does not state that a flag which touches the ground should be burned. Instead, the flag should be moved so it is not touching the ground.

* When carried in a procession, the flag should be to the right of the marchers.
* When other flags are carried, the flag of the United States may be centered in front of the others or carried to their right. When the flag passes in a procession, or when it is hoisted or lowered, all should face the flag and salute.
* To salute, all persons come to attention.
o Those in uniform give the appropriate formal salute.
o Citizens not in uniform salute by placing their right hand over the heart and men with head cover should remove it and hold it to left shoulder, hand over the heart.
o Members of organizations in formation salute upon command of the person in charge.

Note: It is assumed that the flag placed on the surface of the Earth's Moon by the astronauts of Apollo 11 was knocked down by the force of Apollo 11's return to lunar orbit.
by what is the text?
The previous laws about desecration would have made flags worn as clothing illegal.

Im guessing the flag stickers the SFPD have on the end of many of their batons would also be illegal (especially if they get protester blood all over it as they sometimes do)?
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