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Mother against war in dead's son birthday
Cindy Sheehan lost her son in Iraq, Sunday, in the 26th aniversary of his first son Casey, she will talk in Berkeley against war.
By David Pastor May, 26, 2005
As Cindy Sheehan is interviewed by Univision’s reporter Xochitl Arellano, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan name is read aloud at Sacramento's Trinity Episcopal Cathedral. When she hears her son's name Cindy Sheehan is overcome by emotion. Her hand covers her mouth, her eyes close in grief as her head turns down towards her son’s very own boots, she stops talking to Arellano.
Sheehan, 47 from Vacaville, and the reporter are kneeling down amid 171 empty boots representing the armed services personnel from California killed in the Iraq war. California is the state with most casualties in Iraq.
The rank, name, and birth state of the 1, 529 US service men and women killed continues to be read as part of the Eyes Wide Open exhibition. The names are read one by one along the names of the identified killed Iraqis. The process will last for hours.
After pausing for a few seconds Sheehan continues the interview, one of the very many she has given since a year ago her oldest son Casey was killed in Iraq.
This image of Sheehan unfortunately has become a familiar one for many of you. You might have seeing her at Good Morning America in inauguration day, you could have seen her watery eyes in a picture at the San Francisco Chronicle, or in the front cover of The Nation magazine, or perhaps you have seen her addressing the President on her election time TV ad for Moveon.org.
Arellano commented on the impression Sheehan caused on her. At first she didn’t know why, at the middle of the interview, she suddenly stopped talking, fighting tears. But then Sheehan explained her that her son’s name had just been read. Arellano said that she was emotionally moved when Casey Sheehan’s mother told her, “wars will stop when women are in power.”
Approaching the first anniversary of Casey’s death on April 4th 2004, Sheehan joined the traveling exhibit. Eyes Wide Open is both a public tribute to the American military personnel killed in Iraq as well as an exhibition on the human costs of the Iraq war.
The exhibit started January 2004 in Chicago with 504 boots representing US military casualties. When the boots reached Sacramento on March 29 this year the number was 1,529.
Cindy Sheehan has also been traveling since late Spring last year. She has joined the exhibit in around the 10 occasions, when her other activism and public commitments allowed her. When the exhibit was in Northern California she had the opportunity of staying at home for about a week, the most that she has spend there for the last months. She had so many public engagement that she even lost her job due to her activism. She said about the reason why she speaks out. “To make sense of his death I have to try to stop the war.”
Sheehan thinks that there is a lack of understanding of the effects of war, and that the country “doesn’t know that is at war.” Even thought she was at Good Morning America in Bush Administration’s inauguration day last January, she complains about the lack of serious coverage of the Iraq war. She wrote in a letter to the editor, “I was supposed to be on the Larry King Live show last week. I was asked to be on the show to offer my opinion on the election in Iraq from the perspective of a mom whose son was killed in the war prior to the elections. One of the questions I was going to be asked was: Do I think my son's sacrifice was "worth it?" Well, I didn't get a chance to be on the show, because I was bumped for something that is really important: The Michael Jackson Trial.”
Looking for that missing coverage, and to extend her plight and that of those other mothers losing their sons in the war, she has started a support organization called Gold Star Families for Peace - in reference to the Gold Stars awarded for the killed in action. The organization, that has more than 70 military families as members, is a resource center for the military and their families.
Sheehan has seen the local support for her family decline since she started being active against the war. She said that even though a couple of hundred people attended her sons funeral now their friends don’t even call them. She also has seen opposition to her cause in local newspapers editorials and letters to the editor. So she decided to honor Casey in Santa Barbara in a ceremony held at the Arlington West memorial Sunday April the 3rd. A ceremony at the beach crosses memorial put together by Veterans for Peace every Sunday remembered the 12 US soldiers killed on that day last year.
After the ceremony Sheehan left for New York to celebrate along the family of Martin Luther King III at the Riverside Church. Casey’s first death anniversary is also the 37th anniversary of the death of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. He was killed on April 4th, 1968. A year earlier he had delivered his "Beyond Vietnam" speech in the very same church. This time was Sheehan turn to address the audience talking about another war with the same controversial feel all over again.
Patrick Sheehan, Cindy Sheehan husband, supports his wife in her activism, he participates in some events and drives with Cindy when he is not working as a sales representative. He spoke about the toll this work is taking in the family. “If she is not away traveling or speaking, she is home with her laptop, watching news, or talking on the phone…This is important, we try to continue to support her.”
But he also understands that it is hard for her to be around the memories all the time. “Some times I am not sure if it is helping [the grief process] It might be delaying some of her grief, but it’s also a very good reason to get out of bed, get up and get moving.”
During the rest of April and May Sheehan continued to travel, speaking in Idaho, Oregon, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Washington, San Diego and Los Angeles. She is planning to continue her effort as long as the war goes on. She said. “One of the reasons I started is so Casey will never be forgotten. To put a face on the dead.” She things that in a way, “Casey is continuing his work here, in earth, among our family.”
Today she is back home but she hasn’t stop working. This Sunday at 6 pm she will be at the King Middle School, 1781 Rose St. in Berkeley, at a function under the title “Military Voices Against Endless War.” Her organization, Gold Star Families for Peace along with Not in Our Name and Iraq Veterans Against the War will host the evening of presentations, speeches and music.
Once again Cindy Sheehan will surely fight back tears as she talks about her son and the war. This Sunday will be a very special day for her, a day no mother can ever forget. The day she saw her first son’s face for the first time.
This is the very same day when 26 years ago Casey Sheehan took his first breath of air, starting the life Cindy had given him, one year ago last month he would take his last breath in Iraq.
You can find more information about Gold Star Families for Peace and Cindy and Casey Sheehan at http://www.GSFP.org
As Cindy Sheehan is interviewed by Univision’s reporter Xochitl Arellano, Army Spc. Casey Sheehan name is read aloud at Sacramento's Trinity Episcopal Cathedral. When she hears her son's name Cindy Sheehan is overcome by emotion. Her hand covers her mouth, her eyes close in grief as her head turns down towards her son’s very own boots, she stops talking to Arellano.
Sheehan, 47 from Vacaville, and the reporter are kneeling down amid 171 empty boots representing the armed services personnel from California killed in the Iraq war. California is the state with most casualties in Iraq.
The rank, name, and birth state of the 1, 529 US service men and women killed continues to be read as part of the Eyes Wide Open exhibition. The names are read one by one along the names of the identified killed Iraqis. The process will last for hours.
After pausing for a few seconds Sheehan continues the interview, one of the very many she has given since a year ago her oldest son Casey was killed in Iraq.
This image of Sheehan unfortunately has become a familiar one for many of you. You might have seeing her at Good Morning America in inauguration day, you could have seen her watery eyes in a picture at the San Francisco Chronicle, or in the front cover of The Nation magazine, or perhaps you have seen her addressing the President on her election time TV ad for Moveon.org.
Arellano commented on the impression Sheehan caused on her. At first she didn’t know why, at the middle of the interview, she suddenly stopped talking, fighting tears. But then Sheehan explained her that her son’s name had just been read. Arellano said that she was emotionally moved when Casey Sheehan’s mother told her, “wars will stop when women are in power.”
Approaching the first anniversary of Casey’s death on April 4th 2004, Sheehan joined the traveling exhibit. Eyes Wide Open is both a public tribute to the American military personnel killed in Iraq as well as an exhibition on the human costs of the Iraq war.
The exhibit started January 2004 in Chicago with 504 boots representing US military casualties. When the boots reached Sacramento on March 29 this year the number was 1,529.
Cindy Sheehan has also been traveling since late Spring last year. She has joined the exhibit in around the 10 occasions, when her other activism and public commitments allowed her. When the exhibit was in Northern California she had the opportunity of staying at home for about a week, the most that she has spend there for the last months. She had so many public engagement that she even lost her job due to her activism. She said about the reason why she speaks out. “To make sense of his death I have to try to stop the war.”
Sheehan thinks that there is a lack of understanding of the effects of war, and that the country “doesn’t know that is at war.” Even thought she was at Good Morning America in Bush Administration’s inauguration day last January, she complains about the lack of serious coverage of the Iraq war. She wrote in a letter to the editor, “I was supposed to be on the Larry King Live show last week. I was asked to be on the show to offer my opinion on the election in Iraq from the perspective of a mom whose son was killed in the war prior to the elections. One of the questions I was going to be asked was: Do I think my son's sacrifice was "worth it?" Well, I didn't get a chance to be on the show, because I was bumped for something that is really important: The Michael Jackson Trial.”
Looking for that missing coverage, and to extend her plight and that of those other mothers losing their sons in the war, she has started a support organization called Gold Star Families for Peace - in reference to the Gold Stars awarded for the killed in action. The organization, that has more than 70 military families as members, is a resource center for the military and their families.
Sheehan has seen the local support for her family decline since she started being active against the war. She said that even though a couple of hundred people attended her sons funeral now their friends don’t even call them. She also has seen opposition to her cause in local newspapers editorials and letters to the editor. So she decided to honor Casey in Santa Barbara in a ceremony held at the Arlington West memorial Sunday April the 3rd. A ceremony at the beach crosses memorial put together by Veterans for Peace every Sunday remembered the 12 US soldiers killed on that day last year.
After the ceremony Sheehan left for New York to celebrate along the family of Martin Luther King III at the Riverside Church. Casey’s first death anniversary is also the 37th anniversary of the death of the Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. He was killed on April 4th, 1968. A year earlier he had delivered his "Beyond Vietnam" speech in the very same church. This time was Sheehan turn to address the audience talking about another war with the same controversial feel all over again.
Patrick Sheehan, Cindy Sheehan husband, supports his wife in her activism, he participates in some events and drives with Cindy when he is not working as a sales representative. He spoke about the toll this work is taking in the family. “If she is not away traveling or speaking, she is home with her laptop, watching news, or talking on the phone…This is important, we try to continue to support her.”
But he also understands that it is hard for her to be around the memories all the time. “Some times I am not sure if it is helping [the grief process] It might be delaying some of her grief, but it’s also a very good reason to get out of bed, get up and get moving.”
During the rest of April and May Sheehan continued to travel, speaking in Idaho, Oregon, Pennsylvania, New Jersey, New York, Washington, San Diego and Los Angeles. She is planning to continue her effort as long as the war goes on. She said. “One of the reasons I started is so Casey will never be forgotten. To put a face on the dead.” She things that in a way, “Casey is continuing his work here, in earth, among our family.”
Today she is back home but she hasn’t stop working. This Sunday at 6 pm she will be at the King Middle School, 1781 Rose St. in Berkeley, at a function under the title “Military Voices Against Endless War.” Her organization, Gold Star Families for Peace along with Not in Our Name and Iraq Veterans Against the War will host the evening of presentations, speeches and music.
Once again Cindy Sheehan will surely fight back tears as she talks about her son and the war. This Sunday will be a very special day for her, a day no mother can ever forget. The day she saw her first son’s face for the first time.
This is the very same day when 26 years ago Casey Sheehan took his first breath of air, starting the life Cindy had given him, one year ago last month he would take his last breath in Iraq.
You can find more information about Gold Star Families for Peace and Cindy and Casey Sheehan at http://www.GSFP.org
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Dear Cindy Sheehan,You should be grateful to President Bush and to your son who gave his life to secure our freedom. You choose to dishonor him and everyone else who has fought for YOUR freedom! You also embarrass yourself by joining with the hate America left who could give a damn about you or your son, they are using you for their misguided political agenda. You are a fool and a sucker. Enjoy your freedom and proudly remember your son who gave his life for your freedom!
Brainwashed with right wing media propaganda---here's some stuff about your flip-flopper in chief that you love so much..
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=118263
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=118263
American Progress Action Fund is too funny! I havnt laughed that hard in a long time. How I love to see the left stew in their own misery. Why do you think you got your asses handed to you in the last election. The left has become a bunch of angry, hate filled spoiled hipocrites.
Its so easy to piss off a liberal or is it progressive? Just work hard and be happy.
Its so easy to piss off a liberal or is it progressive? Just work hard and be happy.
Of course, we know you'd be incapable of truly engaging/refuting the content of your beloved flip-flopper in-chief. Nothing beyond the sound bites that you're programmed with from AM-nut radio and Fox news. LOL!!!
When you'd like to engage in a real discussion of the facts, let us know. Try a book.
When you'd like to engage in a real discussion of the facts, let us know. Try a book.
I am curious as how any of our children's death in Iraq has protected our freedom. Everyone keeps referring to the nobleness of their deaths because they have protect us from tyranny..... How? I don't get it. There were no WMD, the 9-11 terrorists came from our friends, the Saudis... Who are they protecting us from?
"I am curious as how any of our children's death in Iraq has protected our freedom."
Most of those who go into the military go into it for economic reasons, and never intended to kill or hurt anyone. But if you look at those behind Abu Ghraib you see that in that case the abuse was by prison guards who had been prison guards back in the US. So in a way, the deaths of someone who may have tortured prisoners or beat up protesters if they hadnt gone to Iraq perhaps may have protected our freedom; by dying in Iraq they were from prevented from taking away our freedom back here.
Most of those who go into the military go into it for economic reasons, and never intended to kill or hurt anyone. But if you look at those behind Abu Ghraib you see that in that case the abuse was by prison guards who had been prison guards back in the US. So in a way, the deaths of someone who may have tortured prisoners or beat up protesters if they hadnt gone to Iraq perhaps may have protected our freedom; by dying in Iraq they were from prevented from taking away our freedom back here.
First: They are men and women, not children.
Second: It's a serviceman's primary resposibility to protect our freedom by killing and destroying if necessary, at home or abroad.
Third: Most of our recent enlisted personelle are there as a direct result of 9/11 and out of duty to you and their country. If they did enlist for economic reasons ONLY then they're not very bright and and they'll be the first to die in combat. Can you say want ads?
Fourth: You can thank these mindless thugs called Marines for giving you the freedom to belly ache about how much you hate your country and Bush in particular.
Second: It's a serviceman's primary resposibility to protect our freedom by killing and destroying if necessary, at home or abroad.
Third: Most of our recent enlisted personelle are there as a direct result of 9/11 and out of duty to you and their country. If they did enlist for economic reasons ONLY then they're not very bright and and they'll be the first to die in combat. Can you say want ads?
Fourth: You can thank these mindless thugs called Marines for giving you the freedom to belly ache about how much you hate your country and Bush in particular.
"serviceman's primary resposibility to protect our freedom"
Kent State was the national guard protecting American freedom from student protesters. Tianamen Square was the Chinese miitary protecting CHinese freedom from democracy. Its rather funny that soliders who have few rights or freedoms once they take the job think they are fighting for freedom. You cant even critize Rumsfeld without getting in trouble if your in the military.
Kent State was the national guard protecting American freedom from student protesters. Tianamen Square was the Chinese miitary protecting CHinese freedom from democracy. Its rather funny that soliders who have few rights or freedoms once they take the job think they are fighting for freedom. You cant even critize Rumsfeld without getting in trouble if your in the military.
FIRST: As a mother of four adults, I still think of them as my children. They are mature in every respect, men and women. But they were my babies and forgive me for still loving them as my children.
SECOND: I understand that a serviceman's responsibility is to protect.... my question still is who are they protecting us from? Who is at our doorstep that is threatening us?
THIRD: Economics has always been a motivating factor in military recruitment. Why else is the military currently dangling the signing bonuses to increase the numbers of recruits. College tuition is just one example of incentive for signing up.
FOURTH: Who said mindless thugs? Those young men and women are proud, well trained persons who believe in what they do. I care so much about them that I still am questioning ...... why are we in Iraq and why are they dying? What freedom of ours is being threatened? Is there an iminent threat to our country? America haters don't care what happens... I do care.
SECOND: I understand that a serviceman's responsibility is to protect.... my question still is who are they protecting us from? Who is at our doorstep that is threatening us?
THIRD: Economics has always been a motivating factor in military recruitment. Why else is the military currently dangling the signing bonuses to increase the numbers of recruits. College tuition is just one example of incentive for signing up.
FOURTH: Who said mindless thugs? Those young men and women are proud, well trained persons who believe in what they do. I care so much about them that I still am questioning ...... why are we in Iraq and why are they dying? What freedom of ours is being threatened? Is there an iminent threat to our country? America haters don't care what happens... I do care.
we "spent" around 54,000 lives and tens of thousands more wounded to bring democracy to vietnam, i think we can afford at least that much to establish democracy to the middle east. sure, we didnt actually democracize vietnam or any country there, but, hey, things dont always go as planned. i think it is embarrasing that there is a middle eastern Zorro (Zaqarri) that seems to be putting his mark of the worlds most powerful military force with out the aid of an established army, navy, airforce, or even marines. so, if you support bush and/or this war, please join or send whoever you can to help win this noble cause. myself, i am waiting for a new cellphone that will track the progress in iraq in realtime so i can root for our troops and email them smiley faces to make their day brighter.
I'm curious, "Waiting": how many of those 50,000+ that we "paid" for Vietnam, and how many of those killed and/or maimed in Iraq belong to you and your family?
Only Cindy Sheehan and the thousands of other parents in her position have the right to decide whether the price they've paid is "worth it". Our presumptious hubric president will have this right only when Barbara's or Jenna's body is brought home in a flag-draped casket.
Only Cindy Sheehan and the thousands of other parents in her position have the right to decide whether the price they've paid is "worth it". Our presumptious hubric president will have this right only when Barbara's or Jenna's body is brought home in a flag-draped casket.
get the truth, start w/ this
http://www.addictedtowar.com/
if you dare to critically think--I know they don't encourage that in the military
http://www.addictedtowar.com/
if you dare to critically think--I know they don't encourage that in the military
This message is for Cindy Sheehan and supporters like her. The definition of a soldier according to the Webster's dictionary: one engaged in military service; a skilled warrior, militant leader, follower, or worker. The sons and daughters who are enlisted in the military did so on their own free will. In time of peace these soldiers' package from the service seems like a sweet deal but during war time somehow the government or the President is to be blamed for.
Nobody likes wars but when it is needed and necessary to save the peace and the country from the enemies...it has to be done. I am forever grateful for their sacrifices so that I can feel save and free everyday and I am sure every American feels the same. I don't appreciate the twisted lies of the medias and the "Seasonal" militants who thought they could beat the system by enlisting and reaping the benefits of paid education, housing, medical, etc. I am sorry but these benefits are reserved for the real soldiers and not for free loaders. I am sorry for the death of your son and many others but everybody knows the reality of war and the life one leads in the military.
Perhaps you should have been there to talk to your son about other possible career choices prior to his signing up for the army. Are you so stupid as to think that people in military service are there just to look pretty and their core purpose is to parade around during holidays?!!
I am very sorry to say this but there's nobody to blame but yourself. Shame on you for ruining your son's name. He was a real soldier and he did a great thing for this country and you just have to be brave and move on. Remember - this great country was not built by spineless people and free loaders. Your nonsense and whines must STOP!
Nobody likes wars but when it is needed and necessary to save the peace and the country from the enemies...it has to be done. I am forever grateful for their sacrifices so that I can feel save and free everyday and I am sure every American feels the same. I don't appreciate the twisted lies of the medias and the "Seasonal" militants who thought they could beat the system by enlisting and reaping the benefits of paid education, housing, medical, etc. I am sorry but these benefits are reserved for the real soldiers and not for free loaders. I am sorry for the death of your son and many others but everybody knows the reality of war and the life one leads in the military.
Perhaps you should have been there to talk to your son about other possible career choices prior to his signing up for the army. Are you so stupid as to think that people in military service are there just to look pretty and their core purpose is to parade around during holidays?!!
I am very sorry to say this but there's nobody to blame but yourself. Shame on you for ruining your son's name. He was a real soldier and he did a great thing for this country and you just have to be brave and move on. Remember - this great country was not built by spineless people and free loaders. Your nonsense and whines must STOP!
Do you believe that we are in Iraq to 'preserve the peace'? or whatever jingoistic nonsense you were spewing?
Read the link above for an alternative to the mainstream lies you have so obviously absorbed
Read the link above for an alternative to the mainstream lies you have so obviously absorbed
In spite of all the rhetoric..... no one has answered my initial questions. Who is threatening our freedom? Why are we fighting? If the WMD don't exist and the 9-11 terrorists were Saudis, who are we fighting?
You seem to keep asking whom, what, and why we are fighting in iraq. We woke up one morning and found the wtc falling. We figure three thousand died, but their wasn't enough body parts to confirm and or denie. No none of these people came from iraq that we can positively prove, but before last month in london none came from pakistan either. Welcome to the new tactics of world terror.
When one commits to war, one must look at all he see's and make an educated guess. When I first enlisted I found myself in isreal. I saw this small child approching me crying. Being a young american I did what seemed natural and what any one of us would do. I was knocked to the ground, and she was shot by idf guide. I was horrified, I couldn't decide to try and help her, or kill my idf partner. Somewhere struggleing with humanity before my eyes she exploded and killed several people. Why do I bring this up?
This is why we are in iraq. Just as I can't tell you what sick mind used that little child I can't tell you what that sick mind in saddam was thinking either. Sometime you just have to go by your gut. You have to access all options and make a best guess judgement. We are not fighting a war with men who wear uniforms and attempt to conduct themselves with honour. We are fighting a war where little kids carry bombs on their back. A war where men have the legal right to treat their woman like cattle. A war that says if you protest and disagree with anything we decree we will slit your throats in public places and laugh as we walk away.
We are fighting a war on idea's and principles. A war on games and preceptions. A few months ago some guy in boston was jailed for refuseing to let his son go to gay awareness classes. (google david parker) This story has crossed the pond into the middle east. Will they have the same access as we do to the net and or media? No but it will make one hell of a recruitment tool for terroriest. They heard the story before i did, and thus the game lives on. I didn't join the service because of poverty, just as the wtc bombers weren't poor uneducated slum kids in saudi. I was at the wtc when it fell and figured I would answer the call.
Why did we start in iraq? several reasons the oil for food program was a joke. Saddam himself shouted everyday he would give us the mother of all wars. Our allies were ignoreing the sauntions. Yes I served over their, and I beleived he was hiding something. Saddam kept playing games, refusing access, threatening inspectors. Again in was like that male shot to death in london wearing an overcoat on a hot summer day last month. It is a perception, a risk evauation. I notice london didn't have mass protest over that killing of an inocent man. The death was a total mistake. intel was wrong, but they killed him. I wonder what it would take for all you internet guru's to pull that trigger. I wonder what it would take for you to say thank you buddy for your scarifice. What am I defending you against you ask. A ghost in the dark who cares nothing of human life and who has said his goal is to kill 2 million american children. Is this ghost in iraq? Hardly a day goes by that someone's child or mom isn't dead in the street.
I don't know what you want bush to say. I don't know what you want me to say. Why was I in iraq because I saw a threat to my country. Terroriest respect no borders, have no care where they live. The only live to kill, mame and destroy everything america stands for. It was a good a place as any to answer the call of america being under attack. It had to start somewhere. either that or wait till they deliver a suitcase nuke in some american city somewhere, and hope this time we get a better understanding and proff of who and why many more thousands died.
I imagine if bush had done that you could than blame him for many more thousands of deaths for inaction. If kerry was president you could blame former bush policies. The game goes on and on. Oddly I am just glad to be back home recovering from my injuries where we can debate argue cuss each other out and NOT have our throats slit for doing so. One of you made the comment that only the mothers of the dead have the right to speak of the true cost of this war.
My world will never again be what it was before. I will never again run and enjoy the passion I had for life. I don't expect any of you to understand my need to go over their. That is ok honest. I just wish just one time you would thank us, and my brothers who didn't make it home. Oddly after mouths of recovery I have one real regreat. I am not their anymore making a difference for human life with my brothers. We don't play politics, we don't ask unanswerable questions of our leader.. We just gladly lay down our lives for everyone of you here. You didn't have to ask us we just did it. I honestly don't understand how you can all talk the way you with us being killed over their, but I respect your right to do so.
Mrs shehan I regreat your loss, but I like your son saw a need and we choose to fill it.The president owes you nothing. Your son made the choice. He died for what HE believed in. I hope one day you can respect his death and wishes equally to your polictical agenda. I believe his scarifice deserves it.
When one commits to war, one must look at all he see's and make an educated guess. When I first enlisted I found myself in isreal. I saw this small child approching me crying. Being a young american I did what seemed natural and what any one of us would do. I was knocked to the ground, and she was shot by idf guide. I was horrified, I couldn't decide to try and help her, or kill my idf partner. Somewhere struggleing with humanity before my eyes she exploded and killed several people. Why do I bring this up?
This is why we are in iraq. Just as I can't tell you what sick mind used that little child I can't tell you what that sick mind in saddam was thinking either. Sometime you just have to go by your gut. You have to access all options and make a best guess judgement. We are not fighting a war with men who wear uniforms and attempt to conduct themselves with honour. We are fighting a war where little kids carry bombs on their back. A war where men have the legal right to treat their woman like cattle. A war that says if you protest and disagree with anything we decree we will slit your throats in public places and laugh as we walk away.
We are fighting a war on idea's and principles. A war on games and preceptions. A few months ago some guy in boston was jailed for refuseing to let his son go to gay awareness classes. (google david parker) This story has crossed the pond into the middle east. Will they have the same access as we do to the net and or media? No but it will make one hell of a recruitment tool for terroriest. They heard the story before i did, and thus the game lives on. I didn't join the service because of poverty, just as the wtc bombers weren't poor uneducated slum kids in saudi. I was at the wtc when it fell and figured I would answer the call.
Why did we start in iraq? several reasons the oil for food program was a joke. Saddam himself shouted everyday he would give us the mother of all wars. Our allies were ignoreing the sauntions. Yes I served over their, and I beleived he was hiding something. Saddam kept playing games, refusing access, threatening inspectors. Again in was like that male shot to death in london wearing an overcoat on a hot summer day last month. It is a perception, a risk evauation. I notice london didn't have mass protest over that killing of an inocent man. The death was a total mistake. intel was wrong, but they killed him. I wonder what it would take for all you internet guru's to pull that trigger. I wonder what it would take for you to say thank you buddy for your scarifice. What am I defending you against you ask. A ghost in the dark who cares nothing of human life and who has said his goal is to kill 2 million american children. Is this ghost in iraq? Hardly a day goes by that someone's child or mom isn't dead in the street.
I don't know what you want bush to say. I don't know what you want me to say. Why was I in iraq because I saw a threat to my country. Terroriest respect no borders, have no care where they live. The only live to kill, mame and destroy everything america stands for. It was a good a place as any to answer the call of america being under attack. It had to start somewhere. either that or wait till they deliver a suitcase nuke in some american city somewhere, and hope this time we get a better understanding and proff of who and why many more thousands died.
I imagine if bush had done that you could than blame him for many more thousands of deaths for inaction. If kerry was president you could blame former bush policies. The game goes on and on. Oddly I am just glad to be back home recovering from my injuries where we can debate argue cuss each other out and NOT have our throats slit for doing so. One of you made the comment that only the mothers of the dead have the right to speak of the true cost of this war.
My world will never again be what it was before. I will never again run and enjoy the passion I had for life. I don't expect any of you to understand my need to go over their. That is ok honest. I just wish just one time you would thank us, and my brothers who didn't make it home. Oddly after mouths of recovery I have one real regreat. I am not their anymore making a difference for human life with my brothers. We don't play politics, we don't ask unanswerable questions of our leader.. We just gladly lay down our lives for everyone of you here. You didn't have to ask us we just did it. I honestly don't understand how you can all talk the way you with us being killed over their, but I respect your right to do so.
Mrs shehan I regreat your loss, but I like your son saw a need and we choose to fill it.The president owes you nothing. Your son made the choice. He died for what HE believed in. I hope one day you can respect his death and wishes equally to your polictical agenda. I believe his scarifice deserves it.
It's glaringly apparent that you actually did believe that you were doing the right thing, and that's part of the problem.
See, the invasion and occupation of Iraq have hands down, made the world less safe and acted as a recruiting tool for folks willing to do violence. While it could be easily argued--and I would agree--that Saddam was a piece of shit--what you need to think about is the big picture: Our govt. (with many of the current administration officials) propped Saddam up, helped him aquire precursors/bio/chem weapons and that was ok w/ our hypocritical govt. as long as he was doing business the way they wanted him to--the US has a long history of using proxies to do the dirty work--
and Iraq was on the agenda as part of many of these neo-conservatives' ideals long before 9-11 see: http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm ---they exploited the tragedy of 9-11 to convince (and in your case appears to have been successful) the public that this was a just war--there were no suicide bombings in Iraq before US invasion
Does it bother you that you were llied to?
see: http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/08/1758841_comment.php#1759304
for a list of the lies, and their changes over time
Lastly, if you're open-minded, take an alternative view to militarism and its' history in the US:
http://www.addictedtowar.com/
And, here's one small list of Bush's flip-flops
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=118263
See, the invasion and occupation of Iraq have hands down, made the world less safe and acted as a recruiting tool for folks willing to do violence. While it could be easily argued--and I would agree--that Saddam was a piece of shit--what you need to think about is the big picture: Our govt. (with many of the current administration officials) propped Saddam up, helped him aquire precursors/bio/chem weapons and that was ok w/ our hypocritical govt. as long as he was doing business the way they wanted him to--the US has a long history of using proxies to do the dirty work--
and Iraq was on the agenda as part of many of these neo-conservatives' ideals long before 9-11 see: http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm ---they exploited the tragedy of 9-11 to convince (and in your case appears to have been successful) the public that this was a just war--there were no suicide bombings in Iraq before US invasion
Does it bother you that you were llied to?
see: http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/08/1758841_comment.php#1759304
for a list of the lies, and their changes over time
Lastly, if you're open-minded, take an alternative view to militarism and its' history in the US:
http://www.addictedtowar.com/
And, here's one small list of Bush's flip-flops
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=118263
I and my family are some who do appreciate the service you gave to each of your countrymen. We are sorry for your loss of mobility and any injuries you have to live with all the rest of your days, your service was honorable and for a good and just reason. Thank you for your service.
For those who continue to ask why, shows a wanton denial of what our country continues to face every day - another 9-11. Centainly you can choose to do nothing as our former administration did, but to not face facts as they are is to be disingenious. The anti's and all their activism isn't doing one constructive thing to help their country. They do not have a cause - it is denial of reality.
President Bush did not lie to his countrymen. He is an honorable man, trying to lead this country forward based on the freedom we in this country already posess. He is working for all the Iraqi people, the wives and mothers in Iraq so they won't have to wake up to the death and destruction caused by the "leaders" in their country, Saddam and his sons and their many murderous thugs for the rest of their lives. They at least have shown appreciation for all that our soldiers are doing for them. That is more than we can say for many of the anti - everything do nothing but create controversy, activists. They get no support from me - the soldiers have earned my support and I whole-heartedly give it to them.
For those who continue to ask why, shows a wanton denial of what our country continues to face every day - another 9-11. Centainly you can choose to do nothing as our former administration did, but to not face facts as they are is to be disingenious. The anti's and all their activism isn't doing one constructive thing to help their country. They do not have a cause - it is denial of reality.
President Bush did not lie to his countrymen. He is an honorable man, trying to lead this country forward based on the freedom we in this country already posess. He is working for all the Iraqi people, the wives and mothers in Iraq so they won't have to wake up to the death and destruction caused by the "leaders" in their country, Saddam and his sons and their many murderous thugs for the rest of their lives. They at least have shown appreciation for all that our soldiers are doing for them. That is more than we can say for many of the anti - everything do nothing but create controversy, activists. They get no support from me - the soldiers have earned my support and I whole-heartedly give it to them.
why is it that are oil friendly saudia arabians where able to leave the country as the world trade towers smoldered and the ashes hadn't even settled? what's up with halliburton and dick cheney's ties? follow the money and you'll have your answers.
Whye don't you read some of the links in the posting before yours...it may, if you have an open mind and critical thinking ability, shed a light on things...
But doesn't it bother you that the rationale for war changed as time went on? let me cut/paste my previous posting as it very much apples:
t's glaringly apparent that you actually did believe that you were doing the right thing, and that's part of the problem.
See, the invasion and occupation of Iraq have hands down, made the world less safe and acted as a recruiting tool for folks willing to do violence. While it could be easily argued--and I would agree--that Saddam was a piece of shit--what you need to think about is the big picture: Our govt. (with many of the current administration officials) propped Saddam up, helped him aquire precursors/bio/chem weapons and that was ok w/ our hypocritical govt. as long as he was doing business the way they wanted him to--the US has a long history of using proxies to do the dirty work--
and Iraq was on the agenda as part of many of these neo-conservatives' ideals long before 9-11 see: http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm ---they exploited the tragedy of 9-11 to convince (and in your case appears to have been successful) the public that this was a just war--there were no suicide bombings in Iraq before US invasion
Does it bother you that you were llied to?
see: http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/08/1758841_comment.php#1759304
for a list of the lies, and their changes over time
Lastly, if you're open-minded, take an alternative view to militarism and its' history in the US:
http://www.addictedtowar.com/
And, here's one small list of Bush's flip-flops
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=118263
t's glaringly apparent that you actually did believe that you were doing the right thing, and that's part of the problem.
See, the invasion and occupation of Iraq have hands down, made the world less safe and acted as a recruiting tool for folks willing to do violence. While it could be easily argued--and I would agree--that Saddam was a piece of shit--what you need to think about is the big picture: Our govt. (with many of the current administration officials) propped Saddam up, helped him aquire precursors/bio/chem weapons and that was ok w/ our hypocritical govt. as long as he was doing business the way they wanted him to--the US has a long history of using proxies to do the dirty work--
and Iraq was on the agenda as part of many of these neo-conservatives' ideals long before 9-11 see: http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm ---they exploited the tragedy of 9-11 to convince (and in your case appears to have been successful) the public that this was a just war--there were no suicide bombings in Iraq before US invasion
Does it bother you that you were llied to?
see: http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/08/1758841_comment.php#1759304
for a list of the lies, and their changes over time
Lastly, if you're open-minded, take an alternative view to militarism and its' history in the US:
http://www.addictedtowar.com/
And, here's one small list of Bush's flip-flops
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=118263
How dare this woman critisize the government when her son took to the military as a paid occupation. He wasn't required to join, and I'm sure she is not offering to give all his wages back to the country to express her disgust.It was fine enough to be in the military as long as he didn't get killed. I'm sorry dear, but that's what being in the military can entail. It's like a mother protesting because her firefighter son died in a fire, or a mother blaming the system when her police officer son gets murdered by a criminal.
The whole thing is ludicrous and by the way, shame on the news organizations for giving her any air time.
The whole thing is ludicrous and by the way, shame on the news organizations for giving her any air time.
For some perspective
I spent the morning scanned and reviewed information on the subject that brought before our eyes. I'm pleased to know that many of you are actively involved in the discussion of whether the War was valid, necessary, or not. Such a discussion is the fruit of modern-day Democracy.
As a political and social philosophy student with an ambition to create a better "tomorrow". There are a few things I would like to share with you. I welcome each of your comments on the subject.
While I was in school, my philosophy professor told me a quote: Democracy is at loss when a few good citizens are doing nothing.
It stucks me like a brimestone and fire. Ask yourself honestly, have you been actively involved or kept up with Washington? Have you ever met your state legislators/delgates/representative/senators? These people are your leaders, and also your servants. Without you, Democracy cannot strive. Sadly, democracy is now in its dormant stage in this country.
I mention this for a reason, because ever since the World War II... we have taken our country for granted. Many of us probably forgot the pillars of this country:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Those are the words from the Delcaration of Independence, in which lays the foundation of this very country we live: a democratic indiviudalism country that embrace all kinds.
I'm asking you to join me to make a better tomorrow. I m asking you to reconsider what you are thinking. This is not about Cindy Sheehan or the War. This is about our country. Weapon of Mass Destruction exists, and it exists among us. The War could've been avoided if we all decided to keep our Senators, Represenatives, Delgates, and Presidents in reality check.
A political philosopher, Niccolo Machiavelli, said we must have the mind of a fox with the ability to be elusive while forsee the possible consequence. At the same time, be a lion to roar your way out once you got caught in a trap.
I love each one of you, and I thank you for your thoughts. I hope after this, you might want to join me to prevent such from happening in the future. In unity, we strengthen... in divison we weaken. Join me to keep our politicans in reality check. Join me to tackle their double talkings. Join me to make America a better place that our founding father envision. Join me to thank every military brother, sister, husband, wife, daughter, son for being the blanket of the security we truly enjoy. Join me to remember the establishment of this country, and educate our fellow Americans.
I leave you with a quote: Democracy is at loss when a few good citizens do nothing.
thank you
As a political and social philosophy student with an ambition to create a better "tomorrow". There are a few things I would like to share with you. I welcome each of your comments on the subject.
While I was in school, my philosophy professor told me a quote: Democracy is at loss when a few good citizens are doing nothing.
It stucks me like a brimestone and fire. Ask yourself honestly, have you been actively involved or kept up with Washington? Have you ever met your state legislators/delgates/representative/senators? These people are your leaders, and also your servants. Without you, Democracy cannot strive. Sadly, democracy is now in its dormant stage in this country.
I mention this for a reason, because ever since the World War II... we have taken our country for granted. Many of us probably forgot the pillars of this country:
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
Those are the words from the Delcaration of Independence, in which lays the foundation of this very country we live: a democratic indiviudalism country that embrace all kinds.
I'm asking you to join me to make a better tomorrow. I m asking you to reconsider what you are thinking. This is not about Cindy Sheehan or the War. This is about our country. Weapon of Mass Destruction exists, and it exists among us. The War could've been avoided if we all decided to keep our Senators, Represenatives, Delgates, and Presidents in reality check.
A political philosopher, Niccolo Machiavelli, said we must have the mind of a fox with the ability to be elusive while forsee the possible consequence. At the same time, be a lion to roar your way out once you got caught in a trap.
I love each one of you, and I thank you for your thoughts. I hope after this, you might want to join me to prevent such from happening in the future. In unity, we strengthen... in divison we weaken. Join me to keep our politicans in reality check. Join me to tackle their double talkings. Join me to make America a better place that our founding father envision. Join me to thank every military brother, sister, husband, wife, daughter, son for being the blanket of the security we truly enjoy. Join me to remember the establishment of this country, and educate our fellow Americans.
I leave you with a quote: Democracy is at loss when a few good citizens do nothing.
thank you
This article has been shown by time to be patently false from the standpoint of her husband's support. Clearly he was "putting up" with her participation in an effort to let her spend her grief and get over it. Witness the reports this week that Patrick Sheehan has filed for divorce from Cindy and citing "irreconcilable differences" and further requests court costs be paid BY HER and spousal SUPPORT BE PAID TO HIM. Clearly he considers HER AT FAULT in the dissolution of marriage and does not, as she spins it, find it due to the stress caused by the loss of their son.
(ref: <http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0815051sheehan2.html>)
This woman has destroyed her family over this - worse has allowed all the Liberal causes spinning her up and using her as a media whore over this to destroy her family and worst of all - dishonor what her son obviously gave his life to accomplish and defend.
Despite her rhetoric, the President has already met with her. How many of you have had such a meeting? Now she claims a right to a second meeting? On what basis?
I find the predictable spew her in some of these comments really funny... oohh ohhh.... "Cheny, Cheny, Cheny", "Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton,..." You are such small-minded losers. Wow. Look around you. Look at Spain, England and back to New York, Pennsylvania and Washington. All this destruction and suffering brought on by people who, if given the chance, would KILL ALL YOU PEOPLE FIRST - right after Susan Sarandon and, well, actually probably Barbra Striesand first. The soldier gave you all the right to spew this crap. Casey died to protect you from people who, left to their own devices as they were in the 90's (who was in charge then?) will come here and slit your throats and blow up your libraries. Going to where they are (and, brother, they are obviously in Iraq) is the ONLY way to protect our children and grandchildren. There, we need to kill those violently interfering with us and help the rest build a society where they can peacefully prosper and eliminate the seeds of hate like poverty. But, make no mistake, those driven by religious zealotry and demand for cultural and ethnic purity must be killed because they are insane and cannot be rescued, just as Hitler and his minions needed to be destroyed to eliminate the very similar Nazi threat to the world.
Nazi Germany never attacked U.S. soil, but they were a threat. Would you rather we allowed the Axis powers to win WWII because we weren't under immediate physical threat? Would you prefer that world? Like them the Islamists must be defeated now, before they gain the power to place the world under their boney thumbs.
(ref: <http://www.thesmokinggun.com/archive/0815051sheehan2.html>)
This woman has destroyed her family over this - worse has allowed all the Liberal causes spinning her up and using her as a media whore over this to destroy her family and worst of all - dishonor what her son obviously gave his life to accomplish and defend.
Despite her rhetoric, the President has already met with her. How many of you have had such a meeting? Now she claims a right to a second meeting? On what basis?
I find the predictable spew her in some of these comments really funny... oohh ohhh.... "Cheny, Cheny, Cheny", "Halliburton, Halliburton, Halliburton,..." You are such small-minded losers. Wow. Look around you. Look at Spain, England and back to New York, Pennsylvania and Washington. All this destruction and suffering brought on by people who, if given the chance, would KILL ALL YOU PEOPLE FIRST - right after Susan Sarandon and, well, actually probably Barbra Striesand first. The soldier gave you all the right to spew this crap. Casey died to protect you from people who, left to their own devices as they were in the 90's (who was in charge then?) will come here and slit your throats and blow up your libraries. Going to where they are (and, brother, they are obviously in Iraq) is the ONLY way to protect our children and grandchildren. There, we need to kill those violently interfering with us and help the rest build a society where they can peacefully prosper and eliminate the seeds of hate like poverty. But, make no mistake, those driven by religious zealotry and demand for cultural and ethnic purity must be killed because they are insane and cannot be rescued, just as Hitler and his minions needed to be destroyed to eliminate the very similar Nazi threat to the world.
Nazi Germany never attacked U.S. soil, but they were a threat. Would you rather we allowed the Axis powers to win WWII because we weren't under immediate physical threat? Would you prefer that world? Like them the Islamists must be defeated now, before they gain the power to place the world under their boney thumbs.
You are indoctrinated into a jingoistic mindset, liverate yourself:
See, the invasion and occupation of Iraq have hands down, made the world less safe and acted as a recruiting tool for folks willing to do violence. While it could be easily argued--and I would agree--that Saddam was a piece of shit--what you need to think about is the big picture: Our govt. (with many of the current administration officials) propped Saddam up, helped him aquire precursors/bio/chem weapons and that was ok w/ our hypocritical govt. as long as he was doing business the way they wanted him to--the US has a long history of using proxies to do the dirty work--
and Iraq was on the agenda as part of many of these neo-conservatives' ideals long before 9-11 see: http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm ---they exploited the tragedy of 9-11 to convince (and in your case appears to have been successful) the public that this was a just war--there were no suicide bombings in Iraq before US invasion
Does it bother you that you were llied to?
see: http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/08/1758841_comment.php#1759304
for a list of the lies, and their changes over time
Lastly, if you're open-minded, take an alternative view to militarism and its' history in the US:
http://www.addictedtowar.com/
And, here's one small list of Bush's flip-flops
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=118263
See, the invasion and occupation of Iraq have hands down, made the world less safe and acted as a recruiting tool for folks willing to do violence. While it could be easily argued--and I would agree--that Saddam was a piece of shit--what you need to think about is the big picture: Our govt. (with many of the current administration officials) propped Saddam up, helped him aquire precursors/bio/chem weapons and that was ok w/ our hypocritical govt. as long as he was doing business the way they wanted him to--the US has a long history of using proxies to do the dirty work--
and Iraq was on the agenda as part of many of these neo-conservatives' ideals long before 9-11 see: http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm ---they exploited the tragedy of 9-11 to convince (and in your case appears to have been successful) the public that this was a just war--there were no suicide bombings in Iraq before US invasion
Does it bother you that you were llied to?
see: http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/08/1758841_comment.php#1759304
for a list of the lies, and their changes over time
Lastly, if you're open-minded, take an alternative view to militarism and its' history in the US:
http://www.addictedtowar.com/
And, here's one small list of Bush's flip-flops
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=118263
Go ahead, keep spewing your idiot noises. It validates everything I've ever said about the U.S. being a well-disguised hive of closet fascists
This right-wing propaganda letter is the epitome of the right-wing-nut media that causes so many regular folks to vote against their interests and for the criminal, walking sacks of human garbage who are in power now.
I won't bother to address most of the crap in this whack-job letter..
This line speaks for the naive stance of the author and the whack-job that posted it: "...overwhelming success in Iraq." That's hilarious
How many resistance attacks per day? If it's successful for anyone, it's successful for Al Queda and their recrutiment.
I won't bother to address most of the crap in this whack-job letter..
This line speaks for the naive stance of the author and the whack-job that posted it: "...overwhelming success in Iraq." That's hilarious
How many resistance attacks per day? If it's successful for anyone, it's successful for Al Queda and their recrutiment.
They flock to a site where people have the courage to think critically and for themselves to make their little trolling rants and then run, becuase they can't go beyond regurgitation of the crap they've heard on Fox news propaganda network.
Here's your lies for all the world to see, if you have the courage to read them:
http://www.geocities.com/jacksonthor/lieswmd.html
See, the invasion and occupation of Iraq have hands down, made the world less safe and acted as a recruiting tool for folks willing to do violence. While it could be easily argued--and I would agree--that Saddam was a piece of shit--what you need to think about is the big picture: Our govt. (with many of the current administration officials) propped Saddam up, helped him aquire precursors/bio/chem weapons and that was ok w/ our hypocritical govt. as long as he was doing business the way they wanted him to--the US has a long history of using proxies to do the dirty work--
and Iraq was on the agenda as part of many of these neo-conservatives' ideals long before 9-11 see: http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm ---they exploited the tragedy of 9-11 to convince (and in your case appears to have been successful) the public that this was a just war--there were no suicide bombings in Iraq before US invasion
Does it bother you that you were llied to?
see: http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/08/1758841_comment.php#1759304
for a list of the lies, and their changes over time
Lastly, if you're open-minded, take an alternative view to militarism and its' history in the US:
http://www.addictedtowar.com/
And, here's one small list of Bush's flip-flops
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=118263
http://www.geocities.com/jacksonthor/lieswmd.html
See, the invasion and occupation of Iraq have hands down, made the world less safe and acted as a recruiting tool for folks willing to do violence. While it could be easily argued--and I would agree--that Saddam was a piece of shit--what you need to think about is the big picture: Our govt. (with many of the current administration officials) propped Saddam up, helped him aquire precursors/bio/chem weapons and that was ok w/ our hypocritical govt. as long as he was doing business the way they wanted him to--the US has a long history of using proxies to do the dirty work--
and Iraq was on the agenda as part of many of these neo-conservatives' ideals long before 9-11 see: http://www.newamericancentury.org/iraqclintonletter.htm ---they exploited the tragedy of 9-11 to convince (and in your case appears to have been successful) the public that this was a just war--there were no suicide bombings in Iraq before US invasion
Does it bother you that you were llied to?
see: http://www.indybay.org/news/2005/08/1758841_comment.php#1759304
for a list of the lies, and their changes over time
Lastly, if you're open-minded, take an alternative view to militarism and its' history in the US:
http://www.addictedtowar.com/
And, here's one small list of Bush's flip-flops
http://www.americanprogressaction.org/site/pp.asp?c=klLWJcP7H&b=118263
"votestoley wrote on September 8, 2005 11:20 PM:
I think there needs to be a million person march on Washington. To advocate the impeachment of our failed president."
I think there needs to be a million person march on Washington. To advocate the impeachment of our failed president."
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