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Demo against marine recruiting at UCB-4/21
A variety of groups participated in a demonstration against a recruitment table by the Marines at the UC Berkeley Career Fair. The fair didn't have any tables by other controversial recruiters such as the NSA, CIA or FBI. Leadership was provided by the Berkeley Stop the War Coalition. A loud counterprotest was set up by the Berkeley College Republicans, and perhaps 3 members of the Protest Warriors who could be identified.
Around 11am, demonstrators had speakers against Marines recruiting including a number of Vietnam Veterans. The career fair only opened at 12noon, and the UC police department were out in high numbers and had set up barricades around the building, and even were seen searching the building beforehand with a bomb sniffing dog.
The counterprotesters had a rhythm of talking for several minutes, then breaking out in a chant lasting 45 seconds, then becoming quiet again.
Some joker who was doing a right-wing documentary was going around in a Josef Stalin shirt, and had a silent cameraman with an expensive Leica camera. It wasn't clear what the subject of the documentary was.
When the career fair opened, lots of students went in. Most went to various company booths, and about 60 went to the corner where the Marines were next to the Peace Corps, and overseas english teaching.
Students got in a line and one by one had quiet conversations with two marine recruiters. There was a lot of filming going on by police and media here. The idea was that it is actually against university rules regarding discrimination that a military organization which explicitly rejects homosexuals should be allowed to practice this discrimination on campus. A number of gay and transgender students asked to be accepted into the marines and were rejected.
The organizers had negotiated to not endlessly get back into the line to speak into the recruiters, so people started to filter out.
I stood next to a student dressed in interview attire who was complaining that this was embarrassing to have the protest, and that almost all students go to the university to get a job.
I think we can demonstrate fairly easily that the university is not a vocational institute. Just open the catalogs of courses for regular UC Berkeley, versus UC Extension, or even a local community college, and tell me which one will do a better job of preparing you for a specific job. http://www.berkeley.edu When students go to UC Berkeley, they will spend at least 1/3 of the time on general courses like foreign language, composition, background math and social sciences classes. When you walk into one of these career fairs, almost everyone with a 4 year degree will have this sinking feeling like none of their classes have specifically prepared them for careers at one of those companies because they want experience in very specific things. Many are seeking only electrical engineering, computer science, or business majors, where it can be very difficult to enter into the CS major... but even if you major in business or CS, it will be very difficult to have the concrete skills in a project area relevant to a company. You will only have done class projects for your business degree and have less real experience than a drywall contractor with several employees who meets payroll, taxes, and handles customers, and maybe you learned data structures and java programming for CS, but here is a company that wants you to have experience in some specific platform. If you majored in biology or math much less english, you can feel really unqualified because a biotech company will need somebody with experience in some thing that never would come up in a MCB lab, or maybe you just read about it and did it once. In other words, it is impossible to learn the specific vocational skills relevant to a company in your 4 year degree. You almost always will be starting near the bottom in your first job. However, if you just took certificate classes, you wouldn't have the general math and writing skills necessary to be adaptable in the future when your vocational skills outdate. So really, the best approach is to try to pick up as many skills as possible while at the same time getting an *education* which involves learning about history and politics and science and lots of things, and not feeling that you have to abandon your ethics in order to earn an income.
The counterprotesters had a rhythm of talking for several minutes, then breaking out in a chant lasting 45 seconds, then becoming quiet again.
Some joker who was doing a right-wing documentary was going around in a Josef Stalin shirt, and had a silent cameraman with an expensive Leica camera. It wasn't clear what the subject of the documentary was.
When the career fair opened, lots of students went in. Most went to various company booths, and about 60 went to the corner where the Marines were next to the Peace Corps, and overseas english teaching.
Students got in a line and one by one had quiet conversations with two marine recruiters. There was a lot of filming going on by police and media here. The idea was that it is actually against university rules regarding discrimination that a military organization which explicitly rejects homosexuals should be allowed to practice this discrimination on campus. A number of gay and transgender students asked to be accepted into the marines and were rejected.
The organizers had negotiated to not endlessly get back into the line to speak into the recruiters, so people started to filter out.
I stood next to a student dressed in interview attire who was complaining that this was embarrassing to have the protest, and that almost all students go to the university to get a job.
I think we can demonstrate fairly easily that the university is not a vocational institute. Just open the catalogs of courses for regular UC Berkeley, versus UC Extension, or even a local community college, and tell me which one will do a better job of preparing you for a specific job. http://www.berkeley.edu When students go to UC Berkeley, they will spend at least 1/3 of the time on general courses like foreign language, composition, background math and social sciences classes. When you walk into one of these career fairs, almost everyone with a 4 year degree will have this sinking feeling like none of their classes have specifically prepared them for careers at one of those companies because they want experience in very specific things. Many are seeking only electrical engineering, computer science, or business majors, where it can be very difficult to enter into the CS major... but even if you major in business or CS, it will be very difficult to have the concrete skills in a project area relevant to a company. You will only have done class projects for your business degree and have less real experience than a drywall contractor with several employees who meets payroll, taxes, and handles customers, and maybe you learned data structures and java programming for CS, but here is a company that wants you to have experience in some specific platform. If you majored in biology or math much less english, you can feel really unqualified because a biotech company will need somebody with experience in some thing that never would come up in a MCB lab, or maybe you just read about it and did it once. In other words, it is impossible to learn the specific vocational skills relevant to a company in your 4 year degree. You almost always will be starting near the bottom in your first job. However, if you just took certificate classes, you wouldn't have the general math and writing skills necessary to be adaptable in the future when your vocational skills outdate. So really, the best approach is to try to pick up as many skills as possible while at the same time getting an *education* which involves learning about history and politics and science and lots of things, and not feeling that you have to abandon your ethics in order to earn an income.
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Here, the two groups were chanting different slogans at each other (short).
All you have to do if the Career Fair continues to invite the military into the student union is trigger a fire alarm somewhere in the student union building(aka the bookstore or other parts of the building). That will clear the military out of the student union quick, and make it a little more expensive to continue to try to invite them in the future.
"...but we need to know who he is. ..."
Why Comrade? Other that countering your protest, what is his crime?
Or is American right to Free Speech only for loyal Party Members?
Why Comrade? Other that countering your protest, what is his crime?
Or is American right to Free Speech only for loyal Party Members?
"All you have to do if the Career Fair continues to invite the military into the student union is trigger a fire alarm somewhere in the student union building(aka the bookstore or other parts of the building). That will clear the military out of the student union quick, and make it a little more expensive to continue to try to invite them in the future"
You realize that this is a.) a crime and b.) equally hard on everyone at the fair, not just the recruiters, right?
Oh, and I've got to ask, why do you need an ID on that guy? Planning on replicating Chicago IndyMedia's little Poop Shoot video wherein they gave out the personal information of every Chicago PW they could get their hands on? I somehow doubt it's just idle curiosity.
You realize that this is a.) a crime and b.) equally hard on everyone at the fair, not just the recruiters, right?
Oh, and I've got to ask, why do you need an ID on that guy? Planning on replicating Chicago IndyMedia's little Poop Shoot video wherein they gave out the personal information of every Chicago PW they could get their hands on? I somehow doubt it's just idle curiosity.
It is noted that, "The organizers had negotiated to not endlessly get back into the line to speak into the recruiters, so people started to filter out."
If one of the organizers is around, why would you do that? Wouldn't it make sense to just have a continuous line of people asking questions?
I imagine there may be a good reason - looking forward to it.
If one of the organizers is around, why would you do that? Wouldn't it make sense to just have a continuous line of people asking questions?
I imagine there may be a good reason - looking forward to it.
My family, too, was persecuted by the communists. No doubt, that is why we are here, however I am very dissapointed that you do not see the parallels of supporting Solidarnosc and supporting the anti-war movement.
Np. Czy nasz "wodz" Bush kiedy przemawia na ekranach stadjonow nie daje panu jakich kolwiek wspamnien s PRL-u? Lider przemawia do ludu. I czy nie latwo by mozna zamienic czerwono-niebiesko-biale choragiewki nie latwo by mozna zamienic na czerwone? I co naprawde znaczy nacjonalizm (w odroznieniu od patryjotyzmu)?
-k hordynski
Np. Czy nasz "wodz" Bush kiedy przemawia na ekranach stadjonow nie daje panu jakich kolwiek wspamnien s PRL-u? Lider przemawia do ludu. I czy nie latwo by mozna zamienic czerwono-niebiesko-biale choragiewki nie latwo by mozna zamienic na czerwone? I co naprawde znaczy nacjonalizm (w odroznieniu od patryjotyzmu)?
-k hordynski
My grandfather also was turned in by a nazi and had to appear before a tribunal in Germany around 1943 to demonstrate his loyalty - which he achieved by acting like a mute who was retarded, and the rest of his family vouched for him and promised to basically keep him inside. His uncle committed suicide shortly after that, and my mother, who watched her first grade teacher and several neighbors disappear, is always telling me to stay off lists.
Anyway, it's more like zombie is the one assembling a file of candidates for future removal when civil rights are suspended. I thank my lucky stars that there actually hve no been any terrorist incidents in this country since 2001- if you think about it, it would take one untraced incident in a mall or grocery store somewhere to send the whole country into a panic and be ready to accept all sorts of state control. his pictures are funny. I like the clip of the communist at the Berkeley parade. It's just nice to know who is photographing you. don't need to know his name, but just his general identity.
Anyway, it's more like zombie is the one assembling a file of candidates for future removal when civil rights are suspended. I thank my lucky stars that there actually hve no been any terrorist incidents in this country since 2001- if you think about it, it would take one untraced incident in a mall or grocery store somewhere to send the whole country into a panic and be ready to accept all sorts of state control. his pictures are funny. I like the clip of the communist at the Berkeley parade. It's just nice to know who is photographing you. don't need to know his name, but just his general identity.
I AM ZOMBICUS!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
I don't think Zombie is in the red jacket. Zombie has posted often about how he doesn't want to be ID'd or noticed, I think the red jacket would not be his choice. The fat guy in the tan shirt though is a good prospect. He looks like the kind of over the hill slobs that Little Green Footballs attracts. Good chance that is him.
The person who posted the picture was suggesting that the right-wing kook who posts as zombie was the guy in the wheelchair since he was seen taking pictures at the Ward Churchill speech in the same location as the pictures on Zombie's site. The fat guy next to him is also a right winger ( I think) but the guy in the red jacket was just walking by and got in the frame.
You should be put in jail for even suggesting that people trigger the fire alarms to keep military recruiters out. If it does happen YOU should be reported to the authorities. You should stop trying to find something to protest about and get a job. What are you going to protest next week?
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