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FBI investigating incidents on Infoshop News and Flag.blackened.net
A message from the administrator of Flag.blackened.net concerning two FBI subpoenas directed at sites hosted by the Flag server. One of these sites is Infoshop News.
FBI investigating incidents on subdomains hosted by flag.blackened.net.
OK folks, here's the real deal as far as I can share it legally at the moment. Consider it as a press release if you wish and feel free to distribute it for whatever reason you deem necessary.
I'm under court order not to speak about specifics and have my attorney trying to find out what the maximum penalty for disclosure really is. I hate to have to keep my mouth shut in areas where the Gestapo is involved, but I also have to weigh things against the overall security of flag and it's subdomains and also the wellbeing of my family.
I have been ordered to submit IP info on two separate incidents having to do with subdomains hosted on flag. Both of these are in regard to claimed or threatened responsibility for acts of propaganda by the deed. Both incidents involve topics which are completely out of line for consideration here at flag and really I can only view them in two ways. Either people are simply ignorant about the murderous history of the FBI, or, as is my belief in one case, they are trying to make flag vulnerable to government intrusion.
At this point let me say, in all honesty and conviction, that if I end up dead by strange means - suicide, overdose, drunk driving accident (I never, ever, ever drink and drive), "accidental" gunshot to the back of the head while sleeping ala Fred Hampton, car jacking, or anything else reasonably suspicious, contact the FBI in Chico, California for more details.
I have called numerous friends nationwide, anarchists and otherwise whose opinions I respect and who I know will be honest and forthwith in their opinions to ask them how I should proceed. The unanimous consensus is that I comply with the wishes of the FBI and provide the IP addresses responsible. The only point of discussion, really, has been whether or not I should reveal the specific information in violation of two court orders.
Really, I am not left with much of a choice. Here are my two choices as I see them:
1. Do not comply with the wishes of the FBI. This will most likely lead to the seizure of flag and a compromise of all the sites and information online. It will probably also lead to me being imprisoned, I would guess. I personally do not fear this, but I am the sole support for my wife and infant daughter. There can be no doubt we would probably lose our home as a result.
2. Comply with the wishes of the FBI, provide the IP addresses, and count on the fact that I will catch a lot of heat and hatred from my comrades in the anarchist movement worldwide.
Though it pains me to comply with the State in any manner, I have to choose option #2. The people who have foolishly compromised us all will shoulder the burden for their selfish actions. Frankly folks, they know better - we all know better.
I was first contacted by the Oakland FBI. Many of you know their history. We are talking COINTELPRO for real - not a perceived or mythical fear. They are proven murderers and automatons for the state who will blindly follow any order to kill or disrupt without question. Read the history of their disinformation campaign against the panthers if you don't believe me. The panther comic book which they completed and distributed, the fake letters between Huey and Eldridge, the fires of hatred and murder they faked and inflamed between the panthers and the US or "united slaves" which led to the murder of Bunchy Carter and John Higgins in L.A., the list goes on and on.
But, the real point is that I feel like a coward and traitor to my comrades, even in the face of what is essentially a coerced decision. I'm the last one who will criticize or disagree with any of you who want to deride me. I'm also aware that this will probably cause quite a few of you to lose faith in me, flag, and it's subdomains. This can't be avoided and it's something I weighed into my decision. I post this mainly to inform you all and give you opportunity to make your own decisions as to whether I've handled this correctly and whether you wish to use flag or it's subdomains in the future. If you don't trust me, I understand, believe me.
It is by far the most agonizing decision I've been faced with in relation to my anarchist opinions.
This is why we do not discuss certain things as if they are a legitimate part of anarchism. Resist the extra y-chromosome influenced urge to sound more hardcore than the guy next to you. Nobody is impressed and the powers that be are sitting on the edges of their seats waiting for an excuse to shut down flag. Freedom of speech does not exist, don't try to test it. They will come bust down your door - for real - point a gun to your head and pull the trigger if you refuse to comply.
Believe it.
Your admin,
Dave
http://flag.blackened.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=72081
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20050329094539697
OK folks, here's the real deal as far as I can share it legally at the moment. Consider it as a press release if you wish and feel free to distribute it for whatever reason you deem necessary.
I'm under court order not to speak about specifics and have my attorney trying to find out what the maximum penalty for disclosure really is. I hate to have to keep my mouth shut in areas where the Gestapo is involved, but I also have to weigh things against the overall security of flag and it's subdomains and also the wellbeing of my family.
I have been ordered to submit IP info on two separate incidents having to do with subdomains hosted on flag. Both of these are in regard to claimed or threatened responsibility for acts of propaganda by the deed. Both incidents involve topics which are completely out of line for consideration here at flag and really I can only view them in two ways. Either people are simply ignorant about the murderous history of the FBI, or, as is my belief in one case, they are trying to make flag vulnerable to government intrusion.
At this point let me say, in all honesty and conviction, that if I end up dead by strange means - suicide, overdose, drunk driving accident (I never, ever, ever drink and drive), "accidental" gunshot to the back of the head while sleeping ala Fred Hampton, car jacking, or anything else reasonably suspicious, contact the FBI in Chico, California for more details.
I have called numerous friends nationwide, anarchists and otherwise whose opinions I respect and who I know will be honest and forthwith in their opinions to ask them how I should proceed. The unanimous consensus is that I comply with the wishes of the FBI and provide the IP addresses responsible. The only point of discussion, really, has been whether or not I should reveal the specific information in violation of two court orders.
Really, I am not left with much of a choice. Here are my two choices as I see them:
1. Do not comply with the wishes of the FBI. This will most likely lead to the seizure of flag and a compromise of all the sites and information online. It will probably also lead to me being imprisoned, I would guess. I personally do not fear this, but I am the sole support for my wife and infant daughter. There can be no doubt we would probably lose our home as a result.
2. Comply with the wishes of the FBI, provide the IP addresses, and count on the fact that I will catch a lot of heat and hatred from my comrades in the anarchist movement worldwide.
Though it pains me to comply with the State in any manner, I have to choose option #2. The people who have foolishly compromised us all will shoulder the burden for their selfish actions. Frankly folks, they know better - we all know better.
I was first contacted by the Oakland FBI. Many of you know their history. We are talking COINTELPRO for real - not a perceived or mythical fear. They are proven murderers and automatons for the state who will blindly follow any order to kill or disrupt without question. Read the history of their disinformation campaign against the panthers if you don't believe me. The panther comic book which they completed and distributed, the fake letters between Huey and Eldridge, the fires of hatred and murder they faked and inflamed between the panthers and the US or "united slaves" which led to the murder of Bunchy Carter and John Higgins in L.A., the list goes on and on.
But, the real point is that I feel like a coward and traitor to my comrades, even in the face of what is essentially a coerced decision. I'm the last one who will criticize or disagree with any of you who want to deride me. I'm also aware that this will probably cause quite a few of you to lose faith in me, flag, and it's subdomains. This can't be avoided and it's something I weighed into my decision. I post this mainly to inform you all and give you opportunity to make your own decisions as to whether I've handled this correctly and whether you wish to use flag or it's subdomains in the future. If you don't trust me, I understand, believe me.
It is by far the most agonizing decision I've been faced with in relation to my anarchist opinions.
This is why we do not discuss certain things as if they are a legitimate part of anarchism. Resist the extra y-chromosome influenced urge to sound more hardcore than the guy next to you. Nobody is impressed and the powers that be are sitting on the edges of their seats waiting for an excuse to shut down flag. Freedom of speech does not exist, don't try to test it. They will come bust down your door - for real - point a gun to your head and pull the trigger if you refuse to comply.
Believe it.
Your admin,
Dave
http://flag.blackened.net/forums/viewtopic.php?t=72081
http://www.infoshop.org/inews/article.php?story=20050329094539697
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Propaganda by the deed, besides being a tactic which is dubious in both its effectiveness and its ethical basis, is something that only a moron or an agent provocateur would propose on the internet.
Give up the two IP addresses. Those who were foolish enough to do this should take responsibility for the consequences of their actions. There is no reason for you to take the hit for this.
Give up the two IP addresses. Those who were foolish enough to do this should take responsibility for the consequences of their actions. There is no reason for you to take the hit for this.
Was it animal rights?
In the past, there were various trolls who were definitely right-wing who would post Stalinist or pro-North korean stuff on the indymedia newswire in order to make the site look like it was run by authoritarian nuts to any casual visitor. It is well known that some of the anti-terrorism agencies have people scanning internet sites, *especially* indymedia but also blogs, rather than going out in the world to actually tracking down criminals.
Do you know anyone who has had their identity stolen? I do. The police did nothing to attempt to track down the people who did this, even though the stores where the thieves purchased things were known on the credit listing, and they had bought a cell phone plan with his number. This costs the economy billions of dollars, but seems to merit less effort than monitoring bloggers.
In the past, there were various trolls who were definitely right-wing who would post Stalinist or pro-North korean stuff on the indymedia newswire in order to make the site look like it was run by authoritarian nuts to any casual visitor. It is well known that some of the anti-terrorism agencies have people scanning internet sites, *especially* indymedia but also blogs, rather than going out in the world to actually tracking down criminals.
Do you know anyone who has had their identity stolen? I do. The police did nothing to attempt to track down the people who did this, even though the stores where the thieves purchased things were known on the credit listing, and they had bought a cell phone plan with his number. This costs the economy billions of dollars, but seems to merit less effort than monitoring bloggers.
Семейные фотографии хранят самые лучшие ВАШИ ВОСПОМИНАНИЯ - летний отпуск всей семьей, встречи с приятелями, детские праздники... С появлением в семье ЦИФРОВОГО ФОТОАППАРАТА многие перестают печатать фотографии.
А Вы захотите через несколько лет снова окунуться в счастливые минуты Вашей жизни? Cнова увидеть, как росли Ваши дети?
ВЕРНИТЕ В СВОЮ ЖИЗНЬ ТРАДИЦИЮ СЕМЕЙНЫХ ФОТОАЛЬБОМОВ!
Это очень просто, ведь теперь можно ПЕЧАТАТЬ Ваши ЦИФРОВЫЕ ФОТО через Интернет.
ЗАГРУЗИВ ВАШИ ФОТОГРАФИИ НА НАШ САЙТ прямо сейчас, Вы ПОЛУЧИТЕ отпечатанные снимки С КУРЬЕРОМ в течение 2-х дней.
А пока мы будем их печатать, Вы сделаете еще несколько отличных кадров!
С любовью,
http://www.Mkadr.ru
P.S. Вы оплачиваете ТОЛЬКО доставку в пределах Москвы и СТОИМОСТЬ ПЕЧАТИ (6 р. за 1 снимок).
А Вы захотите через несколько лет снова окунуться в счастливые минуты Вашей жизни? Cнова увидеть, как росли Ваши дети?
ВЕРНИТЕ В СВОЮ ЖИЗНЬ ТРАДИЦИЮ СЕМЕЙНЫХ ФОТОАЛЬБОМОВ!
Это очень просто, ведь теперь можно ПЕЧАТАТЬ Ваши ЦИФРОВЫЕ ФОТО через Интернет.
ЗАГРУЗИВ ВАШИ ФОТОГРАФИИ НА НАШ САЙТ прямо сейчас, Вы ПОЛУЧИТЕ отпечатанные снимки С КУРЬЕРОМ в течение 2-х дней.
А пока мы будем их печатать, Вы сделаете еще несколько отличных кадров!
С любовью,
http://www.Mkadr.ru
P.S. Вы оплачиваете ТОЛЬКО доставку в пределах Москвы и СТОИМОСТЬ ПЕЧАТИ (6 р. за 1 снимок).
Does this mean you are logging IPs?
What does comment this mean in English?
"Does this mean you are logging IPs?"
again with the questions, Mr. Authoritarian
do you think Dave posted this here himself? boy, you're dumb. it's a repost moron (see the links at the bottom), and obviously dave has bigger things to do than copy and paste his story all over the web right now.
and, to do your thinking for you once again, yes, obviously if they have IP addresses to turn over they have been logging them or else they wouldn't have anything to turn over, now, would they?
do I have to explain everything to you? jeez-louise
again with the questions, Mr. Authoritarian
do you think Dave posted this here himself? boy, you're dumb. it's a repost moron (see the links at the bottom), and obviously dave has bigger things to do than copy and paste his story all over the web right now.
and, to do your thinking for you once again, yes, obviously if they have IP addresses to turn over they have been logging them or else they wouldn't have anything to turn over, now, would they?
do I have to explain everything to you? jeez-louise
"Does this mean you are logging IPs?"
Even if logging ips can help prevent spam, the danger of having them confiscated (even if you say you arent recording them) is a good reason not to ever record them. In terms of tech people from infoshop answering questions.... they cant legally talk about anything right now and even this email from their site might have been pushing it.
Even if logging ips can help prevent spam, the danger of having them confiscated (even if you say you arent recording them) is a good reason not to ever record them. In terms of tech people from infoshop answering questions.... they cant legally talk about anything right now and even this email from their site might have been pushing it.
>obviously dave has bigger things to do than copy and paste his story all over the web right now.
You speak for Dave? On whose authority do you do this, his?
>if they have IP addresses to turn over they have been logging them or else they wouldn't have anything to turn over, now, would they?
Just because the FBI wants those records does not necessarily mean that those records actually exist. But if they do exist, why do they exist? Why are IPs being logged in the first place?
You speak for Dave? On whose authority do you do this, his?
>if they have IP addresses to turn over they have been logging them or else they wouldn't have anything to turn over, now, would they?
Just because the FBI wants those records does not necessarily mean that those records actually exist. But if they do exist, why do they exist? Why are IPs being logged in the first place?
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