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Palestine: The passionate minority and the silenced majority
What kind of truths do statistics tell? What version of reality is our media mediating? What kind of democracy do we settle for when the will of the majority is sidelined by the fanaticism of the few?
Just days after the second anniversary of the shocking death of a young American woman, the result of a murderous act underwritten by US taxpayers, millions of Americans were glued to their television screens as Congress debated and postured until 1:00 AM about the life and death of another American woman.
Thanks to wall-to-wall print and electronic media coverage, few US citizens are ignorant of the second woman's name and heartbreaking story. But it's a safe bet that not even a fraction of those who recognize Terri Schiavo's name and vacant face would know who Rachel Corrie is, what she stood for, or how she was mowed down by a US-supplied armored D9 Caterpillar bulldozer in Gaza while she and others from the International Solidarity Movement bravely confronted the Israeli army. Unarmed with anything but a megaphone and her convictions, Rachel was crushed like an insect with all the impunity and inhumanity that her killers could muster. Rachel Corrie's story - shocking, stirring, incredible - is equally heartbreaking.
Terri Schiavo suffered a heart attack and medical complications in 1990 that cut off oxygen to her brain, leaving her in a "persistent vegetative state." According to certified medical experts, her brain is irreparably damaged and she will never recover. Although Mrs. Schiavo had expressed to her husband long ago a desire never to be kept alive if she were to fall seriously and irreversibly ill, her husband's attempt to honor her wishes and let her die with dignity has been thwarted by the politics of morality, or, as the religious right of the Republican Party calls it, "the culture of life."
This is the same Republican Party whose members have refused to listen to the bereaved parents of Rachel Corrie, the same Republican Party whose president is waging a lethal and misguided war in Iraq that has brought senseless deaths to over 1500 US servicemen and women, while even refusing to count the number of Iraqi civilian dead.
The "culture of life," it seems, is reserved for middle class Christian white people residing in states that have significant electoral weight. In other words, for "real Americans," as envisioned by the Bush administration.
Along with the various legal and medical experts who have appeared on television to discuss the Schiavo case, a savvy media expert, interviewed on CNN last Sunday night, noted that well over half of the US public, when polled on the issue of the right to die, supported euthanasia. Only 24% opposed granting the right to die under any circumstances.
The expert then made an astute observation about why Congress and President Bush were keeping everyone up so late on a Sunday night ignoring the will of the people and toying with the separation of powers between our three branches of government and the US Constitution: although those espousing a "culture of life" approach were not quite one-fourth of the US public, they were an "extremely passionate minority," one that would spare no effort to be heard and to have a real impact, regardless of what the majority thought or felt. These marketers of moralism, who do not mind stooping to the level of showing videos of a brain dead woman over and over again on television to score political points, are enemies of democracy.
Yet somehow, they have positioned themselves as the arbiters of all that is Good, True and Right in the United States and the world. They fancy themselves American patriots, noble democratizers of heathen lands, and true followers of the Gospel. And, as one senator's invocation of "Palm Sunday" indicated, this passionate minority does not fancy the separation of church and state. Nor do they fancy scientific facts or evidence, whether provided to refute their claims about Schiavo's chances of being rehabilitated, or to inform the teaching of life sciences in American schools.
Anyone who has bothered to educate themselves, or tried to educate others, about America's involvement in the Israeli-Palestinian tragedy is already familiar with this passionate minority. While they press for a "culture of life" at home -- a PR triumph of schmaltz over fact if ever there were one -- the passionate minority is keen to view all events in the Middle East, no matter how bloody or illegal, as rooted in scripture or fore-ordained by prophecy.
There's no place for the Geneva Conventions in the Holy Land, no meeting place for the culture of life and the rule of law. Only God's word matters, and for the passionate minority, God's word is whatever the Israeli government says or does.
As a commentator on Middle East political affairs, I have received numerous emails and on-air phone calls from true believers reprimanding me for daring to question or critique Israel, since, as the Bible tells us, this is the chosen people of the Almighty, and even if Israelis kill civilians daily, it's all part of God's greater design. The ingathering of the Jews after World War II is a Sign. A Portent. The end time is coming, and Israel must be allowed to fulfill Holy Scripture.
So mere secular critics like me should read the Good Book, pray for guidance and enlightenment, and then shut up. All is unfolding according to God's mysterious plan. Killing children, demolishing houses, uprooting olive trees, caging whole towns into small areas with massive walls -- not to worry: God is moving, acting and speaking through the Israeli army. It's sacrilege to question or condemn this, or to impugn the motives of Ariel Sharon, a holy warrior and heir to the mantle of King David and King Solomon.
Thankfully, Christian Evangelical Zionists are still a minority in the US, but they are more than simply passionate: they are tenacious, committed, unprincipled, and fanatical. And they are now in power: Bush and leading members of the House and Senate are counted among their number. The less passionate majority somehow put them there in the last elections.
A couple of years ago, a University of Maryland poll showed that a significant majority of Americans were more in line with the Palestinian than the Israeli approach to ending a conflict that has taken tens of thousands of lives over the last 55 years. You would never know it by looking at the pronouncements of the US Congress or the White House, though, not to mention mainstream media coverage and prevailing public discourses.
So how does a passionate minority influence -- indeed, silence -- the less passionate majority? The minority possess a secret wisdom of miracles, signs and portents: they really know how to work the media. They are masters at appealing to the strongest human emotions: fear, greed, hate, revenge, and the need to belong, the desire to be safe and right and certain. The less passionate majority, i.e., most Americans, use reason, rationality, statistical proof, and public dialogue to present arguments and shape policy and legislation.
Alas, they are no match for the high priests of the passionate minority, such as Karl Rove, who sit back, watch and wait, and then divine one or two vulnerabilities in rational arguments supporting a more humane and realistic view of domestic or foreign conundrums. Then it's holy-roller showtime! The avenging spirit, the hellfire and fury of absolute certainty, moral triumphalism, and invocations of purity and retribution drown out rational arguments.
Using bolts of rhetorical lightning fashioned from innuendo, key (often religious) symbols, images of ideal family life, dangerous enemies, and lurking evil, they quickly tap into primeval emotions and demolish reasonable arguments faster than an armored bulldozer.
The criminal attacks of 9-11 and the ensuing "war on terror" have been a boon, (or, to exploit theological imagery, media manna from heaven), for the passionate minority. There is no need for debate, information, deliberation, or critical analysis. You are with us or against us. Arabs and Islam are un-American (and obviously un-Christian), thus evil. If you voted for John Kerry, you are, ipso facto, in favor of killing babies and allowing evil homosexuals to destroy the bedrock values and institutions of American society.
Vice President Cheney even stated last summer that if Americans were to vote for John Kerry, the US would be at greater risk of another massive attack by Al-Qaa`ida. Other than Jon Stewart of "The Daily Show," I do not recall any mainstream journalists forcefully challenged Cheney in a manner one would expect from a society that takes democracy seriously.
So given the "culture of life" approach, if you are sympathetic to Terry Schiavo's husband, you are a killer. Similarly, if you are worried about Palestinian human and legal rights, you are either evil (i.e.,anti-Semitic), crazy, or hopelelssly naive. But don't worry: the passionate minority, ever smug and certain of their righteousness, will pray for your deliverance from the dangers of rational thought and the grievous sin of empathy for people who are not just like you.
There is another passionate minority, though: the minority of one. Examples of such inspiring individuals include Sojourner Truth, Dorothy Day, and Mahatma Gandhi, who affirmed that "even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth." Polling numbers, schmaltzy speeches, and media spin don't change that.
Dorothy Day, founder of the Catholic Workers' Movement, said "The greatest challenge of the day is: how to bring about a revolution of the heart, a revolution which has to start with each one of us?" An assembly of such minorities of one could add up to a powerful and transformative majority indeed. And such minorities of one, such passionate individuals, are more common than many might think. You may be one yourself, without yet knowing it.
In facing an enormous bulldozer and standing her ground to protect a family's home, Rachel Corrie exhibited a more profound and eloquent defense of the culture of life and the rule of law than the passionate minority of poll-conscious politicians currently grabbing media attention on Capitol Hill. Perhaps if as many Americans knew Rachel's name, face, and story as know Terri Schiavo's painful history, the passionate minority might be less successful in hijacking public debate and government policies about the Middle East.
In just one month of traveling in the Gaza Strip, Rachel had formulated a passionate and incisive analysis of the political and moral shortcomings of US policies, as she noted in this letter to her mother, Cindy Corrie, just two and a half weeks before her murder:
You can always hear the tanks and bulldozers passing by, but all of these people are genuinely cheerful with each other, and with me. When I am with Palestinian friends I tend to be somewhat less horrified than when I am trying to act in a role of human rights observer, documenter, or direct-action resister. They are a good example of how to be in it for the long haul. I know that the situation gets to them - and may ultimately get them - on all kinds of levels, but I am nevertheless amazed at their strength in being able to defend such a large degree of their humanity - laughter, generosity, family-time - against the incredible horror occurring in their lives and against the constant presence of death. I felt much better after this morning. I spent a lot of time writing about the disappointment of discovering, somewhat first-hand, the degree of evil of which we are still capable. I should at least mention that I am also discovering a degree of strength and of basic ability for humans to remain human in the direst of circumstances - which I also haven't seen before. I think the word is dignity.
So how is it that more Americans know about the plight of a brain dead woman who can no longer speak for herself than they do about this lively, brave, and eloquent young woman who tried to speak for the voiceless men, women and children that US policies have consigned to a culture of death and daily violations of human rights?
Statistics won't answer this questions. But active engagement in seeking information, appraising views from all sides, debating policies and their repercussions, and being a real citizen will. As the passionate minority in Washington chips away at the US Constitution and international humanitarian law, the majority cannot afford to remain silent or devoid of passion for truth and justice for all.
Laurie King-Irani is a co-founder of Electronic Intifada.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article3703.shtml
Thanks to wall-to-wall print and electronic media coverage, few US citizens are ignorant of the second woman's name and heartbreaking story. But it's a safe bet that not even a fraction of those who recognize Terri Schiavo's name and vacant face would know who Rachel Corrie is, what she stood for, or how she was mowed down by a US-supplied armored D9 Caterpillar bulldozer in Gaza while she and others from the International Solidarity Movement bravely confronted the Israeli army. Unarmed with anything but a megaphone and her convictions, Rachel was crushed like an insect with all the impunity and inhumanity that her killers could muster. Rachel Corrie's story - shocking, stirring, incredible - is equally heartbreaking.
Terri Schiavo suffered a heart attack and medical complications in 1990 that cut off oxygen to her brain, leaving her in a "persistent vegetative state." According to certified medical experts, her brain is irreparably damaged and she will never recover. Although Mrs. Schiavo had expressed to her husband long ago a desire never to be kept alive if she were to fall seriously and irreversibly ill, her husband's attempt to honor her wishes and let her die with dignity has been thwarted by the politics of morality, or, as the religious right of the Republican Party calls it, "the culture of life."
This is the same Republican Party whose members have refused to listen to the bereaved parents of Rachel Corrie, the same Republican Party whose president is waging a lethal and misguided war in Iraq that has brought senseless deaths to over 1500 US servicemen and women, while even refusing to count the number of Iraqi civilian dead.
The "culture of life," it seems, is reserved for middle class Christian white people residing in states that have significant electoral weight. In other words, for "real Americans," as envisioned by the Bush administration.
Along with the various legal and medical experts who have appeared on television to discuss the Schiavo case, a savvy media expert, interviewed on CNN last Sunday night, noted that well over half of the US public, when polled on the issue of the right to die, supported euthanasia. Only 24% opposed granting the right to die under any circumstances.
The expert then made an astute observation about why Congress and President Bush were keeping everyone up so late on a Sunday night ignoring the will of the people and toying with the separation of powers between our three branches of government and the US Constitution: although those espousing a "culture of life" approach were not quite one-fourth of the US public, they were an "extremely passionate minority," one that would spare no effort to be heard and to have a real impact, regardless of what the majority thought or felt. These marketers of moralism, who do not mind stooping to the level of showing videos of a brain dead woman over and over again on television to score political points, are enemies of democracy.
Yet somehow, they have positioned themselves as the arbiters of all that is Good, True and Right in the United States and the world. They fancy themselves American patriots, noble democratizers of heathen lands, and true followers of the Gospel. And, as one senator's invocation of "Palm Sunday" indicated, this passionate minority does not fancy the separation of church and state. Nor do they fancy scientific facts or evidence, whether provided to refute their claims about Schiavo's chances of being rehabilitated, or to inform the teaching of life sciences in American schools.
Anyone who has bothered to educate themselves, or tried to educate others, about America's involvement in the Israeli-Palestinian tragedy is already familiar with this passionate minority. While they press for a "culture of life" at home -- a PR triumph of schmaltz over fact if ever there were one -- the passionate minority is keen to view all events in the Middle East, no matter how bloody or illegal, as rooted in scripture or fore-ordained by prophecy.
There's no place for the Geneva Conventions in the Holy Land, no meeting place for the culture of life and the rule of law. Only God's word matters, and for the passionate minority, God's word is whatever the Israeli government says or does.
As a commentator on Middle East political affairs, I have received numerous emails and on-air phone calls from true believers reprimanding me for daring to question or critique Israel, since, as the Bible tells us, this is the chosen people of the Almighty, and even if Israelis kill civilians daily, it's all part of God's greater design. The ingathering of the Jews after World War II is a Sign. A Portent. The end time is coming, and Israel must be allowed to fulfill Holy Scripture.
So mere secular critics like me should read the Good Book, pray for guidance and enlightenment, and then shut up. All is unfolding according to God's mysterious plan. Killing children, demolishing houses, uprooting olive trees, caging whole towns into small areas with massive walls -- not to worry: God is moving, acting and speaking through the Israeli army. It's sacrilege to question or condemn this, or to impugn the motives of Ariel Sharon, a holy warrior and heir to the mantle of King David and King Solomon.
Thankfully, Christian Evangelical Zionists are still a minority in the US, but they are more than simply passionate: they are tenacious, committed, unprincipled, and fanatical. And they are now in power: Bush and leading members of the House and Senate are counted among their number. The less passionate majority somehow put them there in the last elections.
A couple of years ago, a University of Maryland poll showed that a significant majority of Americans were more in line with the Palestinian than the Israeli approach to ending a conflict that has taken tens of thousands of lives over the last 55 years. You would never know it by looking at the pronouncements of the US Congress or the White House, though, not to mention mainstream media coverage and prevailing public discourses.
So how does a passionate minority influence -- indeed, silence -- the less passionate majority? The minority possess a secret wisdom of miracles, signs and portents: they really know how to work the media. They are masters at appealing to the strongest human emotions: fear, greed, hate, revenge, and the need to belong, the desire to be safe and right and certain. The less passionate majority, i.e., most Americans, use reason, rationality, statistical proof, and public dialogue to present arguments and shape policy and legislation.
Alas, they are no match for the high priests of the passionate minority, such as Karl Rove, who sit back, watch and wait, and then divine one or two vulnerabilities in rational arguments supporting a more humane and realistic view of domestic or foreign conundrums. Then it's holy-roller showtime! The avenging spirit, the hellfire and fury of absolute certainty, moral triumphalism, and invocations of purity and retribution drown out rational arguments.
Using bolts of rhetorical lightning fashioned from innuendo, key (often religious) symbols, images of ideal family life, dangerous enemies, and lurking evil, they quickly tap into primeval emotions and demolish reasonable arguments faster than an armored bulldozer.
The criminal attacks of 9-11 and the ensuing "war on terror" have been a boon, (or, to exploit theological imagery, media manna from heaven), for the passionate minority. There is no need for debate, information, deliberation, or critical analysis. You are with us or against us. Arabs and Islam are un-American (and obviously un-Christian), thus evil. If you voted for John Kerry, you are, ipso facto, in favor of killing babies and allowing evil homosexuals to destroy the bedrock values and institutions of American society.
Vice President Cheney even stated last summer that if Americans were to vote for John Kerry, the US would be at greater risk of another massive attack by Al-Qaa`ida. Other than Jon Stewart of "The Daily Show," I do not recall any mainstream journalists forcefully challenged Cheney in a manner one would expect from a society that takes democracy seriously.
So given the "culture of life" approach, if you are sympathetic to Terry Schiavo's husband, you are a killer. Similarly, if you are worried about Palestinian human and legal rights, you are either evil (i.e.,anti-Semitic), crazy, or hopelelssly naive. But don't worry: the passionate minority, ever smug and certain of their righteousness, will pray for your deliverance from the dangers of rational thought and the grievous sin of empathy for people who are not just like you.
There is another passionate minority, though: the minority of one. Examples of such inspiring individuals include Sojourner Truth, Dorothy Day, and Mahatma Gandhi, who affirmed that "even if you are a minority of one, the truth is the truth." Polling numbers, schmaltzy speeches, and media spin don't change that.
Dorothy Day, founder of the Catholic Workers' Movement, said "The greatest challenge of the day is: how to bring about a revolution of the heart, a revolution which has to start with each one of us?" An assembly of such minorities of one could add up to a powerful and transformative majority indeed. And such minorities of one, such passionate individuals, are more common than many might think. You may be one yourself, without yet knowing it.
In facing an enormous bulldozer and standing her ground to protect a family's home, Rachel Corrie exhibited a more profound and eloquent defense of the culture of life and the rule of law than the passionate minority of poll-conscious politicians currently grabbing media attention on Capitol Hill. Perhaps if as many Americans knew Rachel's name, face, and story as know Terri Schiavo's painful history, the passionate minority might be less successful in hijacking public debate and government policies about the Middle East.
In just one month of traveling in the Gaza Strip, Rachel had formulated a passionate and incisive analysis of the political and moral shortcomings of US policies, as she noted in this letter to her mother, Cindy Corrie, just two and a half weeks before her murder:
You can always hear the tanks and bulldozers passing by, but all of these people are genuinely cheerful with each other, and with me. When I am with Palestinian friends I tend to be somewhat less horrified than when I am trying to act in a role of human rights observer, documenter, or direct-action resister. They are a good example of how to be in it for the long haul. I know that the situation gets to them - and may ultimately get them - on all kinds of levels, but I am nevertheless amazed at their strength in being able to defend such a large degree of their humanity - laughter, generosity, family-time - against the incredible horror occurring in their lives and against the constant presence of death. I felt much better after this morning. I spent a lot of time writing about the disappointment of discovering, somewhat first-hand, the degree of evil of which we are still capable. I should at least mention that I am also discovering a degree of strength and of basic ability for humans to remain human in the direst of circumstances - which I also haven't seen before. I think the word is dignity.
So how is it that more Americans know about the plight of a brain dead woman who can no longer speak for herself than they do about this lively, brave, and eloquent young woman who tried to speak for the voiceless men, women and children that US policies have consigned to a culture of death and daily violations of human rights?
Statistics won't answer this questions. But active engagement in seeking information, appraising views from all sides, debating policies and their repercussions, and being a real citizen will. As the passionate minority in Washington chips away at the US Constitution and international humanitarian law, the majority cannot afford to remain silent or devoid of passion for truth and justice for all.
Laurie King-Irani is a co-founder of Electronic Intifada.
http://electronicintifada.net/v2/article3703.shtml
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is israel responsible for what happened to both women?
Was Terri Schiavo taking part in the intifada?
Since the religious right believe in God and heaven, you would think they would rather have this women die in peace and go to heaven, rather then lie in bed in a vegetable state, for who knows how much longer. That way her husband can go on with his life and her family can go on with their lives knowing she is in heaven rather then in such a state as she is in.
Where as far as Rachel Corrie is concerned demolishing peoples home is nowhere as important as saving Rachel Corrie by not having these bulldozers there to demolish homes. It is hard enough for the Palestinian People to find a roof over their head, let alone having what little they have demolished.
As for the Question? Israel has nothing to do with the Terri Schiavo's case, but everything to do with the death of Rachel Corrie. It was the bulldozer and it belonged to the Israelis. And Rachel Corrie was a young beautiful healthy woman who did not deserve to die, just for trying to show the world what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinian People that goes to further fuel the conflict.
Where as far as Rachel Corrie is concerned demolishing peoples home is nowhere as important as saving Rachel Corrie by not having these bulldozers there to demolish homes. It is hard enough for the Palestinian People to find a roof over their head, let alone having what little they have demolished.
As for the Question? Israel has nothing to do with the Terri Schiavo's case, but everything to do with the death of Rachel Corrie. It was the bulldozer and it belonged to the Israelis. And Rachel Corrie was a young beautiful healthy woman who did not deserve to die, just for trying to show the world what the Israelis are doing to the Palestinian People that goes to further fuel the conflict.
"Since the religious right believe in God and heaven, you would think they would rather have this women die in peace and go to heaven, rather then lie in bed in a vegetable state, for who knows how much longer. "
I agree with you on that point. Although she may be unconscious, I think she is suffering.
And, from my point of view, there is a big gap between killing her and let her die.
What I dislike is that people are ready to use any case against Israel, even if it doesn't even remotely have to do with it.
As for Rachel Corrie, there have been several threads here but if you posted information, it was immediately removed.
I agree with you on that point. Although she may be unconscious, I think she is suffering.
And, from my point of view, there is a big gap between killing her and let her die.
What I dislike is that people are ready to use any case against Israel, even if it doesn't even remotely have to do with it.
As for Rachel Corrie, there have been several threads here but if you posted information, it was immediately removed.
The fanatic pro-Palestinian people are undermining their own efforts by making comparisons between Terri Schiavo and Rachel Corrie. By resorting to such tear jerking and melodramatic use of the demise of a person who died due to her own foolishness while still trying to hang it on Israel, they're turning the broad public away from their message.
Where are the flowers for the 21 teenagers who were killed while waiting on line to enter a disco?
Where are the flowers for the Gaza schoolteacher whose pregnant wife and four daughters were shot at close range by Arafat's terrorists?
Where are the flowers for the woman who lost both her mother and her daughter in one bombing incident? The little girl's body was splattered not only with her blood, but also with the ice cream that her grandmother bought for her as they shared a summer day together.
Where are the flowers for the woman who was pregnant with twins and was killed with her husband after returning joyfully from a visit to the gynecologist?
Where are the flowers for the hematologist who was killed on the way to the hospital to treat both Arab and Jewish patients?
Where are the flowers for the renowned trauma physician who was killed with his daughter the night before her wedding?
http://groups.msn.com/JEWISHUNDERGROUND/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=1&ID_Message=831
Where are the flowers for the Gaza schoolteacher whose pregnant wife and four daughters were shot at close range by Arafat's terrorists?
Where are the flowers for the woman who lost both her mother and her daughter in one bombing incident? The little girl's body was splattered not only with her blood, but also with the ice cream that her grandmother bought for her as they shared a summer day together.
Where are the flowers for the woman who was pregnant with twins and was killed with her husband after returning joyfully from a visit to the gynecologist?
Where are the flowers for the hematologist who was killed on the way to the hospital to treat both Arab and Jewish patients?
Where are the flowers for the renowned trauma physician who was killed with his daughter the night before her wedding?
http://groups.msn.com/JEWISHUNDERGROUND/general.msnw?action=get_message&mview=1&ID_Message=831
I agree with you that none of the Israeli People you mentioned should have died because of this struggle for freedom and a State of their own.
But you have to remember that since this lates struggle began in Sept. 2000
3595 Palestinians, 683 of them children have died,
where as 1047 Israeli, 118 of them children have died.
a few of these children died because the Israeli military dropped bombs on them from the safety of their Apache helicopter cockpits (this is really brave?)
While the Person who killed the Israeli gave his/her life for freedom and liberty
A very brave peson once said give me liberty or give me death.
For details on who has died in this continueing struggle
CLICK HERE > http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html
But you have to remember that since this lates struggle began in Sept. 2000
3595 Palestinians, 683 of them children have died,
where as 1047 Israeli, 118 of them children have died.
a few of these children died because the Israeli military dropped bombs on them from the safety of their Apache helicopter cockpits (this is really brave?)
While the Person who killed the Israeli gave his/her life for freedom and liberty
A very brave peson once said give me liberty or give me death.
For details on who has died in this continueing struggle
CLICK HERE > http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html
None of those Israelis would have died if there weren't terrorists murdering Israelis.
And none of those Palestinians would have died if the Palestinians hadn't been attacking Israel.
None of those children, Israelis or Palestinians, would have died if the Palestinians hadn't murdered Israeli children and if the Palestinians hadn't used the Palestinian children as ammunition, human shields and terrorists.
None of those Israelis or Palestinians would have died if the Palestinians didn't teach their children that killing Jews is honorable, if they weren't proud of their "martyrs" (who's the martyr? Who murders or who is murdered?).
I agree with you that none of the Israeli People you mentioned should have died because of this struggle for murder and a racist State of their own.
But you have to remember that since this late struggle began in Sept. 2000
3595 Palestinians, 683 of them children have died,
where as 1047 Israeli, 118 of them children have died.
A few of these children died because the Israeli military dropped bombs on the terrorists they happened to be nearby, who were using them as human shields (this is really brave?)
While the Person who killed the Israeli gave his/her life for racism and hatred
A very brave person once said give me liberty or give me death.
For misleading details on who has died in this continueing struggle
CLICK HERE > http://www.ifamericansknew.org/misleadingstats/deaths.html
But you have to remember that since this late struggle began in Sept. 2000
3595 Palestinians, 683 of them children have died,
where as 1047 Israeli, 118 of them children have died.
A few of these children died because the Israeli military dropped bombs on the terrorists they happened to be nearby, who were using them as human shields (this is really brave?)
While the Person who killed the Israeli gave his/her life for racism and hatred
A very brave person once said give me liberty or give me death.
For misleading details on who has died in this continueing struggle
CLICK HERE > http://www.ifamericansknew.org/misleadingstats/deaths.html
I remember that in September 2000 the second intifada was started by the Palestinians, not by the Israelis.
The Israelis had to drop some bombs to defend themselves.
The Palestinians were attacking the Israelis. Why did the Palestinians kept children with them? Were those children kept hostages?
Do the Palestinians love their own children? I doubt it.
The Israelis had to drop some bombs to defend themselves.
The Palestinians were attacking the Israelis. Why did the Palestinians kept children with them? Were those children kept hostages?
Do the Palestinians love their own children? I doubt it.
But the Israeli refuse to be fair and just to the Palestinians.
Should the Palestinians just sit there while their land is confiscated and their homes are demolished?
Why is it "O.K." for Israel to have a Military to fight the Palestinians but not "O.K." for the Palestinians to have a Military to defend themselves againsts the Israeli's injustices against the Palestinian People?
Should the Palestinians just sit there while their land is confiscated and their homes are demolished?
Why is it "O.K." for Israel to have a Military to fight the Palestinians but not "O.K." for the Palestinians to have a Military to defend themselves againsts the Israeli's injustices against the Palestinian People?
"But the Israeli refuse to be fair and just to the Palestinians.
Should the Palestinians just sit there while their land is confiscated and their homes are demolished? "
Not all the Palestinians' homes were being demolished, just those of terrorists. And Israel has demolished no home in several weeks by now.
Why do you say Israel refuses to be fair and just. It has always been searching for peace and making concessions to the Palestinians, while the Palestinians have been always attacking the Israelis.
"Why is it "O.K." for Israel to have a Military to fight the Palestinians but not "O.K." for the Palestinians to have a Military to defend themselves againsts the Israeli's injustices against the Palestinian People?"
It is OK for Israel to have a military to defend itself, as it is OK for any country.
The Palestinians don't have an army because, for starters, they don't have a state, since they have always refused to accept it.
Should the Palestinians just sit there while their land is confiscated and their homes are demolished? "
Not all the Palestinians' homes were being demolished, just those of terrorists. And Israel has demolished no home in several weeks by now.
Why do you say Israel refuses to be fair and just. It has always been searching for peace and making concessions to the Palestinians, while the Palestinians have been always attacking the Israelis.
"Why is it "O.K." for Israel to have a Military to fight the Palestinians but not "O.K." for the Palestinians to have a Military to defend themselves againsts the Israeli's injustices against the Palestinian People?"
It is OK for Israel to have a military to defend itself, as it is OK for any country.
The Palestinians don't have an army because, for starters, they don't have a state, since they have always refused to accept it.
Anyone who's actually interested in the Palestinian side, unlike the bigots that infest the comment threads here, should peruse this presentation: http://www.concert4palestine.org/palestine/c.html which presents the Palestinian position really well, raising points you may not have considered before, since corporate media are so poisoned by imperialists and pro-Israel bigots. Israeli expansion from the original Kibbutzim throughout British-mandate Palestine is a simple blatant invasion. What would you do if a foreign horde, the French say, came and did this to YOUR traditions, YOUR society, YOUR family?
Another thing that should be clear from this is that Israel doesn't really want peace, and that Critical Bigot's position -- the standard of simple expansionist bigots who cloak themselves in the "Zionist" canard -- is totally disingenuous and manipulative. The "Zionists" don't want peace, they just want to keep grabbing the land. And their Prime Excuse for doing this is to keep the Palestinians crazy mad, thus driving them to military action, while denying them an actual military. It's the exact same thing that was done to the Native Americans, but at least then we were honest enough to call it what it was: a plain simple bigot program of "westward expansion." In place of this simple honesty, the pro-Israel-expansion bigot faction has cooked up a slur out of thin air, i.e. that the Palestinian militants are "terrorists" instead of a marginalized partisan underground (the pre-bullshit framework). In this way, the Zionists cleverly use language to trick you into believing the Palestinians DESERVE to be treated like vicious vermin who deserve no consideration or justice. Jewish culture is an undeniable fount of intellectual brilliance, but this is a value-neutral attribute; one of its negatives is the spectacular creative gift for such word games seen among Jews of poor character. Among this faction, the brutal abuses of the Palestinian natives are fully justified because they're plain simple virulent bigots. No, Jews don't count as The Native People here anymore, with a preclusive claim to the land. People who vacate a place 1600+ years ago lose that claim.
If you actually believe in the democratic ideal, instead of just mouth it, you owe it to yourself to not fall for these cheap semantic stunts.
The "terrorist" epithet -- which does see legitimate useage, the premier example being U.S. foreign policy -- has increasingly become the modern equivalent of older Orwellian constructs, e.g. "insurgent" and "communist sympathizer." The latter was similarly used to totally marginalize and dismiss anyone who adopted perfectly legitimate critiques of capitalism. And of course the propaganda services (a.k.a. "media") of the Western Empires, for whom Israel is just an exercise in strategic expansion, totally push the "terrorist" slur. The best way to understand U.S. military aid is as a cold-blooded and very effective global conquest program; they pour money into any party that serves their megalomaniacal interests, and in direct proportion to the degree that they do so. Period. That's why Israel gets the most, by far.
The "terrorism" construct is a superb Orwellian construct, highly evasive of analysis, and so we're seeing the Western Empires adopt it more and more for use elsewhere. Like Iraq, where we're now also seeing a marginalized partisan underground deligitimized as "terrorists." The two situations -- Iraq and Israel -- are perfectly analogous, and "terrorism" is simply an ingenious propaganda device the spinners have used to shut down your ability, your DUTY, to analyze the dynamics for yourself. This is the essence of what "Public Relations" does. It's fantastically effective and even more fantastically secretive, moreso than even U.S. intelligence agencies, which are at least subject to elite channels of civilian oversight. In all likelihood, your comprehension of the world is a garbled mass of such lies, and it's important to try to extricate yourself from them. Elite parties have done this precisely to keep you hopelessly confused and thus powerless, and they're master criminals, who use their power malevolently. They don't deserve so much power; they're avowed class enemies of 99% of humanity, not to mention of the whole living planet. The most powerful way YOU can implode that power is by simply breaking the chains they've wrapped around your brain, and you CAN do it. You must find your deep kernel of greatness, your inner messiah... If you're at all passionate about the ideal of magnificient spiritual heroism, then you have that very thing inside yourself. Find it. Unleash it.
If you fail to wrest their power from them, you will allow them to destroy the world, and you will thus be complicit in a global genocide that will destroy your own descendants. There's simply no clearer way to put it. Their criminal greed reflects full-blown psychopathy, a primary symptom of which is a profound inability to consider the future. Far more than a way to atone for the excesses of the Nazis, Israel is a front line in this epic human battle for sanity and survival.
Another thing that should be clear from this is that Israel doesn't really want peace, and that Critical Bigot's position -- the standard of simple expansionist bigots who cloak themselves in the "Zionist" canard -- is totally disingenuous and manipulative. The "Zionists" don't want peace, they just want to keep grabbing the land. And their Prime Excuse for doing this is to keep the Palestinians crazy mad, thus driving them to military action, while denying them an actual military. It's the exact same thing that was done to the Native Americans, but at least then we were honest enough to call it what it was: a plain simple bigot program of "westward expansion." In place of this simple honesty, the pro-Israel-expansion bigot faction has cooked up a slur out of thin air, i.e. that the Palestinian militants are "terrorists" instead of a marginalized partisan underground (the pre-bullshit framework). In this way, the Zionists cleverly use language to trick you into believing the Palestinians DESERVE to be treated like vicious vermin who deserve no consideration or justice. Jewish culture is an undeniable fount of intellectual brilliance, but this is a value-neutral attribute; one of its negatives is the spectacular creative gift for such word games seen among Jews of poor character. Among this faction, the brutal abuses of the Palestinian natives are fully justified because they're plain simple virulent bigots. No, Jews don't count as The Native People here anymore, with a preclusive claim to the land. People who vacate a place 1600+ years ago lose that claim.
If you actually believe in the democratic ideal, instead of just mouth it, you owe it to yourself to not fall for these cheap semantic stunts.
The "terrorist" epithet -- which does see legitimate useage, the premier example being U.S. foreign policy -- has increasingly become the modern equivalent of older Orwellian constructs, e.g. "insurgent" and "communist sympathizer." The latter was similarly used to totally marginalize and dismiss anyone who adopted perfectly legitimate critiques of capitalism. And of course the propaganda services (a.k.a. "media") of the Western Empires, for whom Israel is just an exercise in strategic expansion, totally push the "terrorist" slur. The best way to understand U.S. military aid is as a cold-blooded and very effective global conquest program; they pour money into any party that serves their megalomaniacal interests, and in direct proportion to the degree that they do so. Period. That's why Israel gets the most, by far.
The "terrorism" construct is a superb Orwellian construct, highly evasive of analysis, and so we're seeing the Western Empires adopt it more and more for use elsewhere. Like Iraq, where we're now also seeing a marginalized partisan underground deligitimized as "terrorists." The two situations -- Iraq and Israel -- are perfectly analogous, and "terrorism" is simply an ingenious propaganda device the spinners have used to shut down your ability, your DUTY, to analyze the dynamics for yourself. This is the essence of what "Public Relations" does. It's fantastically effective and even more fantastically secretive, moreso than even U.S. intelligence agencies, which are at least subject to elite channels of civilian oversight. In all likelihood, your comprehension of the world is a garbled mass of such lies, and it's important to try to extricate yourself from them. Elite parties have done this precisely to keep you hopelessly confused and thus powerless, and they're master criminals, who use their power malevolently. They don't deserve so much power; they're avowed class enemies of 99% of humanity, not to mention of the whole living planet. The most powerful way YOU can implode that power is by simply breaking the chains they've wrapped around your brain, and you CAN do it. You must find your deep kernel of greatness, your inner messiah... If you're at all passionate about the ideal of magnificient spiritual heroism, then you have that very thing inside yourself. Find it. Unleash it.
If you fail to wrest their power from them, you will allow them to destroy the world, and you will thus be complicit in a global genocide that will destroy your own descendants. There's simply no clearer way to put it. Their criminal greed reflects full-blown psychopathy, a primary symptom of which is a profound inability to consider the future. Far more than a way to atone for the excesses of the Nazis, Israel is a front line in this epic human battle for sanity and survival.
Evidently the anti-Jewish writer is basing his insanely mendacious insights on revisionist texts so immensely biased, it's obvious he's got no shred of credibility.
No, Jews DO count as THE native people on that land. They did NOT vacate the place 1600+ years ago and so they never lost neither their native status nor that claim. If anything they were VACATED.
No, Jews DO count as THE native people on that land. They did NOT vacate the place 1600+ years ago and so they never lost neither their native status nor that claim. If anything they were VACATED.
He is one of those activists of the ISM (International Sadistic Mob).
We hated the Nazi for what they did to the Jews.
Hating Jews is not the way to Peace. You have to allow the good Jews to have their rights just like anyone else. But for them to have their rights, they should not deny the Palestinians the same rights that they want for themselves.
The Problem is the Jews who want to refuse the Palestinian People their tiny State in the Whole of the West Bank and Gaza, only 22% of what is TODAY Israel, West Bank and Gaza. In a recent conference, once again it was said that Israel would be recognized if the Palestinian People were allowed their State called for in the Road Map to Peace.
Once you have the Palestinian State in the Whole of the West Bank and Gaza. You are on the Road to Peace and the Israeli Arabs have a better chance of equality as the Jewish Settlers will have a better chance at Peace. After all what is wrong with the State of Israel with a Jewish majority and an Arab minority?....And what is wrong With Palestine with a Palestinian majority and a Jewish minority?....Nothing, if both nations were at Peace instead of One Group under the Brutal Occupation and Oppression of the Other.
Once you have a Palestinian State, the Israeli Arabs who do not like living in Israel can move to Palestine, Just like the Jewish settlers who do not like living in the West Bank and Gaza under Palestinian Rule can move to Israel Proper.
Do the right thing and Peace Will Follow......
Hypocrisy and double standard does not lead to peace, and people are not blind and they can see the truth as it really is.
Thirty-six years of war should be enough for such a small number of people, when you consider the World Population.
Allowing the Palestinian People to have their small state in the Whole of the West Bank and Gaza can solve this conflict.
There are 1,200,000 or so Arabs living inside Israel Proper.
There are 400,000 or so Jews living inside the West Bank and Gaza.
Trying to remove all the settlement can be an almost undoable task.
So Set the Borders for Israel to it Pre 1967 Border (Green Line) and have the State of Palestine inside the West Bank and Gaza.
If the U.N. can decide the Borders of Israel in 1948,
The U.N. can decide the Borders of Palestine in 2005.
You would end up with Israel with a majority Jewish Population and Palestine with a majority Muslim Population.
This would allow for the Israeli Military to Guard and Control the Israeli pre 1967 borders instead of confiscating Palestinian Land and Demolishing Palestinian Homes in the West Bank and Gaza that only goes to fuel the need for the Palestinian People to fight for their Freedom.
The Jews who do not like living in the new Palestinian State can feel free to move to Israel if they so choose.
The Arabs living inside Israel can feel free to move to the new Palestinian State if they so choose.
Almost every nation on earth has more then one ethnic group or religious group, so why not Israel and Palestine?
It would sure be better then the never-ending conflict we have right now.
Who has died and how in this struggle for Palestinian Freedom?
CLICK HERE > http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html
Hating Jews is not the way to Peace. You have to allow the good Jews to have their rights just like anyone else. But for them to have their rights, they should not deny the Palestinians the same rights that they want for themselves.
The Problem is the Jews who want to refuse the Palestinian People their tiny State in the Whole of the West Bank and Gaza, only 22% of what is TODAY Israel, West Bank and Gaza. In a recent conference, once again it was said that Israel would be recognized if the Palestinian People were allowed their State called for in the Road Map to Peace.
Once you have the Palestinian State in the Whole of the West Bank and Gaza. You are on the Road to Peace and the Israeli Arabs have a better chance of equality as the Jewish Settlers will have a better chance at Peace. After all what is wrong with the State of Israel with a Jewish majority and an Arab minority?....And what is wrong With Palestine with a Palestinian majority and a Jewish minority?....Nothing, if both nations were at Peace instead of One Group under the Brutal Occupation and Oppression of the Other.
Once you have a Palestinian State, the Israeli Arabs who do not like living in Israel can move to Palestine, Just like the Jewish settlers who do not like living in the West Bank and Gaza under Palestinian Rule can move to Israel Proper.
Do the right thing and Peace Will Follow......
Hypocrisy and double standard does not lead to peace, and people are not blind and they can see the truth as it really is.
Thirty-six years of war should be enough for such a small number of people, when you consider the World Population.
Allowing the Palestinian People to have their small state in the Whole of the West Bank and Gaza can solve this conflict.
There are 1,200,000 or so Arabs living inside Israel Proper.
There are 400,000 or so Jews living inside the West Bank and Gaza.
Trying to remove all the settlement can be an almost undoable task.
So Set the Borders for Israel to it Pre 1967 Border (Green Line) and have the State of Palestine inside the West Bank and Gaza.
If the U.N. can decide the Borders of Israel in 1948,
The U.N. can decide the Borders of Palestine in 2005.
You would end up with Israel with a majority Jewish Population and Palestine with a majority Muslim Population.
This would allow for the Israeli Military to Guard and Control the Israeli pre 1967 borders instead of confiscating Palestinian Land and Demolishing Palestinian Homes in the West Bank and Gaza that only goes to fuel the need for the Palestinian People to fight for their Freedom.
The Jews who do not like living in the new Palestinian State can feel free to move to Israel if they so choose.
The Arabs living inside Israel can feel free to move to the new Palestinian State if they so choose.
Almost every nation on earth has more then one ethnic group or religious group, so why not Israel and Palestine?
It would sure be better then the never-ending conflict we have right now.
Who has died and how in this struggle for Palestinian Freedom?
CLICK HERE > http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html
Scott Peterson; angel did it!!
For more information:
http://tracking.military.com/cgi-bin/outlo...
"They did NOT vacate the place 1600+ years ago and so they never lost neither their native status nor that claim."
The real issue here, which you've naturally evaded, is the EXCLUSIVE RIGHT to the land. The fact that the vast majority of the population here consisted of Arabs for the 1200 years preceding the 1880s has to factor into this. But of course that doesn't count for anything WITH YOU, cuz you simply despise them and only respect the Jewish side of this issue. It's very clear.
The real issue here, which you've naturally evaded, is the EXCLUSIVE RIGHT to the land. The fact that the vast majority of the population here consisted of Arabs for the 1200 years preceding the 1880s has to factor into this. But of course that doesn't count for anything WITH YOU, cuz you simply despise them and only respect the Jewish side of this issue. It's very clear.
Wowee, yet another totally over-the-cliff pro-Israel propaganda site. You really like those, dontcha?
Wowee, yet another totally over-the-cliff pro-terror propagandist You really like those, dontcha?
The issue is that you were busy with negating the Jewish rights to the land. All said and done, you weren't talking about those rather few Arabs whose families can boast an unbroken presence in that land since the 17th century, let alone the 7th. I repeat, the vast majoruty of modern-day Palestinians in the holy land arrived only since the late 19th century onwards from other Middle Eastern lands. Pity you can't reconcile yourself to this hisotrical truth. Another historical truth you must come to terms with to be taken seriously is the continual Jewish presence in the land since the dawn of the Christian era. But it's unlikely you'll acknowledge these facs as you're a bigot trying to conceal his own bigotry by charging others with being concerned only for the Jewish side.
Most of us hated the Nazi for what they did to the Jews.
Hating Jews and Zionists is never the way to Peace. You have to allow the Jews to have their rights just like anyone else. They do not strive to deny the reasonable and sane Palestinians the same rights that they now have for themselves.
The Problem is the Palestinians who want to refuse the Israeli People their tiny State in Israel Proper and Most of the West Bank and Gaza, only some 22% of what is TODAY Israel, West Bank and Gaza, and Jordan. In a recent conference, once again non-binding propaganda said that Israel would be recognized if the Palestinian People were allowed their State called for in the Road Map to Peace.
Once you have the Palestinian State in Part of the West Bank and Gaza, You are on the Road to Peace and the Arab settlers will have a better chance of equality as Jews will have a better chance at Peace. After all what is wrong with the State of Israel with a Jewish majority and an Arab minority? Some things...And what is wrong With Palestine with a Palestinian majority and a Jewish minority? Some things....if both nations are at Peace instead of One Group under the Brutal Terror and Mayhem of the Other.
Once you have a Palestinian State the Arab settlers who do not like living in Israel should move to Palestine, Just like the Jews who do not like living in Part of the West Bank and Gaza under Palestinian Rule can move to Israel.
Do the right thing and Peace Will Follow......
Hypocrisy and double standard about Palestinian Terror does not lead to peace, and people are not blind and they can see the truth as it really is.
Thirty-seven years of war should be enough for such a small number of people, when you consider the World Population.
Allowing the Palestinian People to have their small state in the Whole of the West Bank and Gaza can not in itself solve this conflict.
There are 1,200,000 or so Arab settlers living inside Israel Proper.
There are 400,000 or so Jews living inside the West Bank and Gaza.
Trying to remove all the settlements can be an almost undoable task.
So Set the Borders for Israel to somewhat beyond its Pre 1967 Border (Green Line) and have the State of Palestine inside Part of the West Bank and Gaza.
If the U.N. could decide the Borders of Israel in 1947 and fail to protect the Jews from the Arab Attack that ensued,
The U.N. can not decide the Borders of Palestine in 2005.
You would end up with Israel with a majority Jewish Population and Palestine with a majority Muslim Population.
This would allow for the Israeli Military to Guard and Control the new Israeli Borders instead of confiscating Palestinian Land and Demolishing Palestinian Homes in the West Bank and Gaza, provided the Palestinian Terrorists stop trying to rob the Israeli People of their Freedom, which only goes to fuel the Israeli reprisals.
The Jews who do not like living in the new Palestinian State can feel free to move to Israel if they so choose.
The Arab settlers living inside Israel should feel free to move to the new Palestinian State if they so choose.
Almost every nation on earth has more then one ethnic group or religious group, so why not Israel and Palestine?
It would sure be better then the never-ending Conflict we have right now.
Who has died and how in this struggle for Palestinian Murder and Destruction?
CLICK HERE > http://www.ifamericansknew.org/misleadingstats/deaths.html
Hating Jews and Zionists is never the way to Peace. You have to allow the Jews to have their rights just like anyone else. They do not strive to deny the reasonable and sane Palestinians the same rights that they now have for themselves.
The Problem is the Palestinians who want to refuse the Israeli People their tiny State in Israel Proper and Most of the West Bank and Gaza, only some 22% of what is TODAY Israel, West Bank and Gaza, and Jordan. In a recent conference, once again non-binding propaganda said that Israel would be recognized if the Palestinian People were allowed their State called for in the Road Map to Peace.
Once you have the Palestinian State in Part of the West Bank and Gaza, You are on the Road to Peace and the Arab settlers will have a better chance of equality as Jews will have a better chance at Peace. After all what is wrong with the State of Israel with a Jewish majority and an Arab minority? Some things...And what is wrong With Palestine with a Palestinian majority and a Jewish minority? Some things....if both nations are at Peace instead of One Group under the Brutal Terror and Mayhem of the Other.
Once you have a Palestinian State the Arab settlers who do not like living in Israel should move to Palestine, Just like the Jews who do not like living in Part of the West Bank and Gaza under Palestinian Rule can move to Israel.
Do the right thing and Peace Will Follow......
Hypocrisy and double standard about Palestinian Terror does not lead to peace, and people are not blind and they can see the truth as it really is.
Thirty-seven years of war should be enough for such a small number of people, when you consider the World Population.
Allowing the Palestinian People to have their small state in the Whole of the West Bank and Gaza can not in itself solve this conflict.
There are 1,200,000 or so Arab settlers living inside Israel Proper.
There are 400,000 or so Jews living inside the West Bank and Gaza.
Trying to remove all the settlements can be an almost undoable task.
So Set the Borders for Israel to somewhat beyond its Pre 1967 Border (Green Line) and have the State of Palestine inside Part of the West Bank and Gaza.
If the U.N. could decide the Borders of Israel in 1947 and fail to protect the Jews from the Arab Attack that ensued,
The U.N. can not decide the Borders of Palestine in 2005.
You would end up with Israel with a majority Jewish Population and Palestine with a majority Muslim Population.
This would allow for the Israeli Military to Guard and Control the new Israeli Borders instead of confiscating Palestinian Land and Demolishing Palestinian Homes in the West Bank and Gaza, provided the Palestinian Terrorists stop trying to rob the Israeli People of their Freedom, which only goes to fuel the Israeli reprisals.
The Jews who do not like living in the new Palestinian State can feel free to move to Israel if they so choose.
The Arab settlers living inside Israel should feel free to move to the new Palestinian State if they so choose.
Almost every nation on earth has more then one ethnic group or religious group, so why not Israel and Palestine?
It would sure be better then the never-ending Conflict we have right now.
Who has died and how in this struggle for Palestinian Murder and Destruction?
CLICK HERE > http://www.ifamericansknew.org/misleadingstats/deaths.html
Well ANGEL imposter....I just want to let you know that God is watching you....Whether or not you believe in him or not.
And we all know you are at it again............any you may think you are immortal but believe it or not you too will die some day.
We hated the Nazi for what they did to the Jews.
Hating Jews is not the way to Peace. You have to allow the good Jews to have their rights just like anyone else. But for them to have their rights, they should not deny the Palestinians the same rights that they want for themselves.
The Problem is the Jews who want to refuse the Palestinian People their tiny State in the Whole of the West Bank and Gaza, only 22% of what is TODAY Israel, West Bank and Gaza. In a recent conference, once again it was said that Israel would be recognized if the Palestinian People were allowed their State called for in the Road Map to Peace.
Once you have the Palestinian State in the Whole of the West Bank and Gaza. You are on the Road to Peace and the Israeli Arabs have a better chance of equality as the Jewish Settlers will have a better chance at Peace. After all what is wrong with the State of Israel with a Jewish majority and an Arab minority?....And what is wrong With Palestine with a Palestinian majority and a Jewish minority?....Nothing, if both nations were at Peace instead of One Group under the Brutal Occupation and Oppression of the Other.
Once you have a Palestinian State, the Israeli Arabs who do not like living in Israel can move to Palestine, Just like the Jewish settlers who do not like living in the West Bank and Gaza under Palestinian Rule can move to Israel Proper.
Do the right thing and Peace Will Follow......
Hypocrisy and double standard does not lead to peace, and people are not blind and they can see the truth as it really is.
Thirty-six years of war should be enough for such a small number of people, when you consider the World Population.
Allowing the Palestinian People to have their small state in the Whole of the West Bank and Gaza can solve this conflict.
There are 1,200,000 or so Arabs living inside Israel Proper.
There are 400,000 or so Jews living inside the West Bank and Gaza.
Trying to remove all the settlement can be an almost undoable task.
So Set the Borders for Israel to it Pre 1967 Border (Green Line) and have the State of Palestine inside the West Bank and Gaza.
If the U.N. can decide the Borders of Israel in 1948,
The U.N. can decide the Borders of Palestine in 2005.
You would end up with Israel with a majority Jewish Population and Palestine with a majority Muslim Population.
This would allow for the Israeli Military to Guard and Control the Israeli pre 1967 borders instead of confiscating Palestinian Land and Demolishing Palestinian Homes in the West Bank and Gaza that only goes to fuel the need for the Palestinian People to fight for their Freedom.
The Jews who do not like living in the new Palestinian State can feel free to move to Israel if they so choose.
The Arabs living inside Israel can feel free to move to the new Palestinian State if they so choose.
Almost every nation on earth has more then one ethnic group or religious group, so why not Israel and Palestine?
It would sure be better then the never-ending conflict we have right now.
Who has died and how in this struggle for Palestinian Freedom?
CLICK HERE > http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html
And we all know you are at it again............any you may think you are immortal but believe it or not you too will die some day.
We hated the Nazi for what they did to the Jews.
Hating Jews is not the way to Peace. You have to allow the good Jews to have their rights just like anyone else. But for them to have their rights, they should not deny the Palestinians the same rights that they want for themselves.
The Problem is the Jews who want to refuse the Palestinian People their tiny State in the Whole of the West Bank and Gaza, only 22% of what is TODAY Israel, West Bank and Gaza. In a recent conference, once again it was said that Israel would be recognized if the Palestinian People were allowed their State called for in the Road Map to Peace.
Once you have the Palestinian State in the Whole of the West Bank and Gaza. You are on the Road to Peace and the Israeli Arabs have a better chance of equality as the Jewish Settlers will have a better chance at Peace. After all what is wrong with the State of Israel with a Jewish majority and an Arab minority?....And what is wrong With Palestine with a Palestinian majority and a Jewish minority?....Nothing, if both nations were at Peace instead of One Group under the Brutal Occupation and Oppression of the Other.
Once you have a Palestinian State, the Israeli Arabs who do not like living in Israel can move to Palestine, Just like the Jewish settlers who do not like living in the West Bank and Gaza under Palestinian Rule can move to Israel Proper.
Do the right thing and Peace Will Follow......
Hypocrisy and double standard does not lead to peace, and people are not blind and they can see the truth as it really is.
Thirty-six years of war should be enough for such a small number of people, when you consider the World Population.
Allowing the Palestinian People to have their small state in the Whole of the West Bank and Gaza can solve this conflict.
There are 1,200,000 or so Arabs living inside Israel Proper.
There are 400,000 or so Jews living inside the West Bank and Gaza.
Trying to remove all the settlement can be an almost undoable task.
So Set the Borders for Israel to it Pre 1967 Border (Green Line) and have the State of Palestine inside the West Bank and Gaza.
If the U.N. can decide the Borders of Israel in 1948,
The U.N. can decide the Borders of Palestine in 2005.
You would end up with Israel with a majority Jewish Population and Palestine with a majority Muslim Population.
This would allow for the Israeli Military to Guard and Control the Israeli pre 1967 borders instead of confiscating Palestinian Land and Demolishing Palestinian Homes in the West Bank and Gaza that only goes to fuel the need for the Palestinian People to fight for their Freedom.
The Jews who do not like living in the new Palestinian State can feel free to move to Israel if they so choose.
The Arabs living inside Israel can feel free to move to the new Palestinian State if they so choose.
Almost every nation on earth has more then one ethnic group or religious group, so why not Israel and Palestine?
It would sure be better then the never-ending conflict we have right now.
Who has died and how in this struggle for Palestinian Freedom?
CLICK HERE > http://www.ifamericansknew.org/stats/deaths.html
Critical Bigot wrote: "The issue is that you were busy with negating the Jewish rights to the land."
Jews DON'T HAVE any automatic "rights" to the land there, you stupid fanatical bigot! That's the whole upshot of relinquishing sovereignty umpteen hundred years ago. Way more recently, I had ancestors in Scotland. By your psychotic "logic," I should go back to my ancestral community with a machine gun and look around for any brits I can blow away to take "my" land back. Why not? They're just "interlopers," not "natives" like me.
You're insane fanatic ideology has destroyed your ability to reason.
If you want to take the position that Jews are there now and they're not going away, that's actually rational. I can accept that. But this "ancient Jewish homeland = we have all the rights" bullshit is just pure bigot insanity. If any other group tried this anywhere, they'd be a laughing stock, and you'd be joining in the laughter
Jews DON'T HAVE any automatic "rights" to the land there, you stupid fanatical bigot! That's the whole upshot of relinquishing sovereignty umpteen hundred years ago. Way more recently, I had ancestors in Scotland. By your psychotic "logic," I should go back to my ancestral community with a machine gun and look around for any brits I can blow away to take "my" land back. Why not? They're just "interlopers," not "natives" like me.
You're insane fanatic ideology has destroyed your ability to reason.
If you want to take the position that Jews are there now and they're not going away, that's actually rational. I can accept that. But this "ancient Jewish homeland = we have all the rights" bullshit is just pure bigot insanity. If any other group tried this anywhere, they'd be a laughing stock, and you'd be joining in the laughter
Hear that, racist Truth Warper?
Now here's what you think but do not dare write, accompanied by annotations by myself:
"Palestinians DO HAVE automatic rights to the land there, you stupid fanatical bigot"! That's the whole upshot [of the Jews'] relinquishing sovereignty umpteen hundred years ago. [In reality the Jews never relinquished sovereignty].
Way more recently, I had ancestors in Scotland. By your psychotic "logic," I should go back to my ancestral community with a machine gun and look around for any brits I can blow away to take "my" land back. [stupid fucked analogy as the Jews that immigrated to the Land of Israel didn't arrive with aggressive designs to perpetrate violence on local inhabitants occupying land] Why not? They're just "interlopers," not "natives" like me.
>>>"You're insane fanatic ideology has destroyed your ability to reason."<<<
When was the last time your peace promoting crock of leftist KKK principles allowed you to post a comment boasting pure reason? I have done so many times here.
>>>"If you want to take the position that Jews are there now and they're not going away, that's actually rational. I can accept that."<<<
You accept that? I won't take your word for it.
>>>"But this "ancient Jewish homeland = we have all the rights" bullshit is just pure bigot insanity yak yak yak"<<<
Had you not been insane, you'd have avoided promulgating this moot construct. Only your ability to twist the anonymous writer's point into your desired racist contortion permits you to appear as one making an intelligent assertion now. Were did I say that local non-Jews in the Land of Israel have no rights? Point me to such a comment and I'll write you a check for $100.
Now here's what you think but do not dare write, accompanied by annotations by myself:
"Palestinians DO HAVE automatic rights to the land there, you stupid fanatical bigot"! That's the whole upshot [of the Jews'] relinquishing sovereignty umpteen hundred years ago. [In reality the Jews never relinquished sovereignty].
Way more recently, I had ancestors in Scotland. By your psychotic "logic," I should go back to my ancestral community with a machine gun and look around for any brits I can blow away to take "my" land back. [stupid fucked analogy as the Jews that immigrated to the Land of Israel didn't arrive with aggressive designs to perpetrate violence on local inhabitants occupying land] Why not? They're just "interlopers," not "natives" like me.
>>>"You're insane fanatic ideology has destroyed your ability to reason."<<<
When was the last time your peace promoting crock of leftist KKK principles allowed you to post a comment boasting pure reason? I have done so many times here.
>>>"If you want to take the position that Jews are there now and they're not going away, that's actually rational. I can accept that."<<<
You accept that? I won't take your word for it.
>>>"But this "ancient Jewish homeland = we have all the rights" bullshit is just pure bigot insanity yak yak yak"<<<
Had you not been insane, you'd have avoided promulgating this moot construct. Only your ability to twist the anonymous writer's point into your desired racist contortion permits you to appear as one making an intelligent assertion now. Were did I say that local non-Jews in the Land of Israel have no rights? Point me to such a comment and I'll write you a check for $100.
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