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[bstw] Emergency Fallujah Protest - Tue. 5pm
Let's meet at the Berkeley BART at 4:30pm on Tuesday
Emergency Demonstration: Stop the
Fallujah Attack! U.S. Out of Iraq!
Tues. 11/9, 5pm
Powell & Market, San Francisco
Top U.S. Marine in Iraq Calls for Massacre in
Fallujah
U.S. troops entered the western outskirts of the city on Monday
seizing a hospital and two bridges over the Euphrates River. The U.S.
has surrounded the sealed off Fallujah and is preparing to launch the
complete destruction of the city. They have told the people that any
traffic on the street is now subject to attack and any males between
the ages of 15 and 55 who go outside will automatically be killed by
the U.S. soldiers. The U.S. is terrorizing and bombing the citizens of
Fallujah every night, recently targeting and fully destroying its
emergency hospital, collapsing homes around families, dismembering
children. Many of the 300,000 population have fled for their lives,
everything they have ever had left behind or destroyed.
Now the top enlisted Marine in Iraq has called on his troops to
commit war crimes against the tens of thousands of remaining residents
and what stands of that proud and historic city. Referring to
the assault on the ancient citadel city of Hue, destroyed by U.S.
soldiers in Vietnam, Sgt. Maj. Carlton W. Kent told an assembled group
of 2,500 Marines in a "pep-talk": "You're all in the
process of making history. This is another Hue city in the making. I
have no doubt, if we do get the word, that each and every one of you
is going to do what you have always done - kick some butt."
(AP, November 7 2004)
The U.S. moved to reoccupy Hue after Vietnamese forces has
liberated it in the Tet Offensive of 1968. The Under Secretary of the
Air Force, Townsend Hoopes, described the results of the U.S. assault
on Hue in a March 1968 memo as leaving "a devastated and
prostrate city. Eighty per cent of the buildings had been reduced to
rubble, and in the smashed ruins lay 2,000 dead civilians... Three
quarters of the city=EDs people were rendered homeless and looting was
widespread, members of the ARVN [U.S. backed South Vietnamese troops]
being the worst offenders." (Noam Chomsky's forward to the papers
of the 1967 International War Crimes in Vietnam Tribunal)
The resistance in Iraq is carrying out coordinated efforts across
the country to dislodge U.S. occupation forces with attacks on police
stations and other targeted representatives of U.S. puppet
installations. In recent days many U.S. soldiers have been badly
wounded and there is more to come as the U.S. military leadership
predicts the most bloody urban fighting since Vietnam. The U.S. is
using all of its firepower, night vision, high-tech weaponry, and
bombing capacity against defenseless civilians as well as resistance
fighters primarily armed with Kalishnakov rifles and improvised
explosive devises. With all this military might, the U.S. is unable to
stop the Iraqi people from fighting for their national sovereignty.
The U.S. installed "prime minister" of Iraq has today
declared martial law in Iraq for the next two months aggregating even
greater unilateral authority.
This is no time for anti-war and progressive people in the U.S.
to "mourn," dwell and lament on the failure of the
Democratic Party candidate to defeat the Republican Party candidate,
at least not those who are really committed to ending this criminal
war and securing justice at home. If nothing else, we all know that if
Kerry was President-elect, nothing would be different for the people
of Iraq right now. Kerry has not condemned the bombings of Falluljah
at any point, nor the attacks on the Iraqi people, nor the use of U.S.
soldiers as cannon fodder in this war of aggression and
conquest.
Now the people of Fallujah wait for the next attack, and the U.S.
soldiers wait for their orders to carry out actions that they will
have to reconcile for the rest of their lives, if they survive.
A.N.S.W.E.R. activists across the U.S. are planning emergency
demonstrations the DAY AFTER a reinvasion of Fallujah. We call on
other committed organizations and activists to also initiate such
actions, at local federal buildings, recruiting stations, or
traditional public assembly locations.
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I'll be there, c'mon fellow anarchists commrades, let's get a black bloc going, let's make them sorry for doing this shit!
Protests,protests,protests. Its going to take LARGE scale civil unrest to stop that War. Civil unrest is what stopped the Vietnam War not protests.
BUT protests can lead into the LARGE scale civil unrest.
BUT protests can lead into the LARGE scale civil unrest.
Look for the red and black flags. Probably not enough of us to block up but we can still show some anarchist solidarity
So once again you'll disrupt the lives of people who are overwhelmingly against the war. How does this accomplish anything? Why aren't you protesting where it matters or where people disagree with you. Oh, that's right, the police there wouldn't be as wimpy as the SFPD.
Let's knock over some news racks! ( That'll teach 'em!! )
ho ho ho
ho ho ho
Show whom? Why?
"So once again you'll disrupt the lives of people who are overwhelmingly against the war. How does this accomplish anything? Why aren't you protesting where it matters or where people disagree with you. Oh, that's right, the police there wouldn't be as wimpy as the SFPD."
There's no such thing in the US as too much disruption when it comes to protest. If you think there is, I invite you to live in a country where folks have forsaken protest for armed action, then maybe you'll appreciate the fact you live here.
People like you and Todd Gitlin are the reason we have an ineffectual Left, not the organizers and participants of these rallies.
Protest, speak out, do whatever you can, when you can, no matter how small, no matter how "insignificant", no matter behind whose banner you have to march.
IT'S ALL GOOD!
There's no such thing in the US as too much disruption when it comes to protest. If you think there is, I invite you to live in a country where folks have forsaken protest for armed action, then maybe you'll appreciate the fact you live here.
People like you and Todd Gitlin are the reason we have an ineffectual Left, not the organizers and participants of these rallies.
Protest, speak out, do whatever you can, when you can, no matter how small, no matter how "insignificant", no matter behind whose banner you have to march.
IT'S ALL GOOD!
>do whatever you can
Do that, and you play into the hands of the warmongers. If you want to change the world, you have to do things that are effective. Everything else is a drain on or time and our resources.
Do that, and you play into the hands of the warmongers. If you want to change the world, you have to do things that are effective. Everything else is a drain on or time and our resources.
It doesn't matter how you are protesting. I'm tired of hearing peaceful demostrators telling others that the "anarchists" or "black bloc" disrupt protests. Isnt' that what protesting is all about? How is chanting and marching down a street going to change anything? Dont' get me wrong, I love to see poeple band together for the common good, but in order to have people acually pay attention and know how angry we all are, there has to be more than a march.
" How is chanting and marching down a street going to change anything?"
It's a great way to meet babes!!!
(Ever seen Woody Allen's "Bananas"?
It's a great way to meet babes!!!
(Ever seen Woody Allen's "Bananas"?
Here we go again. Yes knocking over newspaper racks will turn some heads, and Yes knocking over anything will turn some heads.
Mr Bush and company is praying on the not so intelligent people in this country to pull off his agenda.
Let me reiterate. Its going to take LARGE SCALE CIVIL unrest to change things. 1135 soldiers dead to date. Are we going to put up with this? We will all be adopting a wounded soldier to support when that frickin war is over.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans are wounded. How are they going to work? How are they going to raise their children? They won't be, it will be the worker who will be taking care of all our wounded soldiers. The families will be too overwhelmed to take care of their own. The injuries those soldiers are getting in Iraq are life altering. We will have 500,000 lame ducks amongst us who won't be able to do anything but kill Iraqi's.
Who will pay taxes then? It will be my Son.
Lets fight and stop that freak at the White House.
Mr Bush and company is praying on the not so intelligent people in this country to pull off his agenda.
Let me reiterate. Its going to take LARGE SCALE CIVIL unrest to change things. 1135 soldiers dead to date. Are we going to put up with this? We will all be adopting a wounded soldier to support when that frickin war is over.
Hundreds of thousands of Americans are wounded. How are they going to work? How are they going to raise their children? They won't be, it will be the worker who will be taking care of all our wounded soldiers. The families will be too overwhelmed to take care of their own. The injuries those soldiers are getting in Iraq are life altering. We will have 500,000 lame ducks amongst us who won't be able to do anything but kill Iraqi's.
Who will pay taxes then? It will be my Son.
Lets fight and stop that freak at the White House.
Some of the critiques of protest here are unconstructive and likely designed to discourage any dissent at all.
Some seem to be saying "Oh, you can't stop the war if you march..." As if the idea of taking one single step forward is futile because the entire 1,000 mile journey won't have been completed immediately.
Maybe if we march we'll begin to set in motion a dynamic that really *will* stop the war. We'll never know if we don't try, and unlike some on this site, I think it's a better use of our time to protest than it is it go to the gym or sit in front of a computer. If nothing else, meet other people!
Some seem to be saying "Oh, you can't stop the war if you march..." As if the idea of taking one single step forward is futile because the entire 1,000 mile journey won't have been completed immediately.
Maybe if we march we'll begin to set in motion a dynamic that really *will* stop the war. We'll never know if we don't try, and unlike some on this site, I think it's a better use of our time to protest than it is it go to the gym or sit in front of a computer. If nothing else, meet other people!
Maybe it's just me, but I'm having trouble telling good from good. The last speaker at the rally-march said there is no killing in Sudan (it's all a CIA lie) and that nuclear/WMD proliferation is good. (A prior speaker said we can't trust NPR, but that "We have NPR under our power.") That was just before I left.
And for the Anarchists, the pretty black, white, green-striped flag with the red triangle is Palestinian, not Cuban.
And for the Anarchists, the pretty black, white, green-striped flag with the red triangle is Palestinian, not Cuban.
DO you fools not know that the murders fighting our marines would just as soon blow up your anarchist meeting/gay bar than even acknowledge your existence? The Islamic fasicts do not care what your nationality, race, religion (yes they kill other muslims too), or sexual orentiation. If you tried this petty protest in Texas the police would cut you down in the streets. In the end it will be the hardworking, patriotic conservatives that bail out the lazy socialists out of trouble.
Most of the insurgents in Iraq are not Islamic radicals. They are regular Iraqis (in Falluja they are mostly Sunnis not Wahabbis) that don't want a US occupation. I urge you to read up a little. This information isn't hidden.
the 9 o'clock news had reasonable coverage, because they showed Falluja footage first. They were showing police saying that people had gone on a crime spree at the last march, and interspersed this with pictures of people with black t-shirts with skull images, so if nothing happens, edgy marchers will get credit for it.
Thanks for showing up today. This wasn't as big as the last march, but hey, it was still good.
I never said that the terrorists in Falluja where Wahabbis, I said they are Islamic Facists.Which is exactly what the Bath party supporters in Iraq and Syria are. There are fighters in other parts of Iraq from nearly every major Muslim country in the world.This information is very easy to find.
I never said that the terrorists in Falluja where Wahabbis, I said they are Islamic Facists.Which is exactly what the Bath party supporters in Iraq and Syria are. There are fighters in other parts of Iraq from nearly every major Muslim country in the world.This information is very easy to find.
The Ba'ath Party was started by a Christian, and was explicitly opposed to islamic fundamentalism and known for secularism. In the last ten years of his rule--while under the gun of the United States (after years of being its beneficiary)--Hussein attempted to use islam to strengthen his position by building mosques and being seen as pious. But even in Sunni-dominated Fallujah his islamic charm-offensive was never really accepted; when Hussien insisted that Fallujan clerics incorporate odes to him in their prayer-calls, they refused.
To the extent that it's true that fundamentalists and former-Ba'athists are working together today, it's a marriage of convenience and hardly a credit to the US invasion of Iraq, which has brought them together like a common foe is apt to do.
Interviews with insurgents have revealed that the they are truly a mix-bag of islamists, nationalists, former-soldiers, ba'athists, but most of all they're "ordinary" Iraqi's who hate the US for the misery that it's inflicted on their country.
To the extent that it's true that fundamentalists and former-Ba'athists are working together today, it's a marriage of convenience and hardly a credit to the US invasion of Iraq, which has brought them together like a common foe is apt to do.
Interviews with insurgents have revealed that the they are truly a mix-bag of islamists, nationalists, former-soldiers, ba'athists, but most of all they're "ordinary" Iraqi's who hate the US for the misery that it's inflicted on their country.
In other words your saying "those towel heads are all the same". Ba'athists, sunnis, shia, nationalists, foreign wahabbis they are all islamic fascists. Like Aaron said the Baathists was founded by a christian. Tariq Aziz was a Christian. Sorry you're wrong--- but the information is still easy to find.
In other words you're saying "those towel heads are all the same". Ba'athists, sunnis, shia, nationalists, foreign wahabbis--- they are all islamic fascists. Like Aaron said the Ba'ath party was founded by a Christian. Tariq Aziz was a Christian. Sorry that you're wrong--- but the information is still easy to find.
It is true that the Baath party was founded by a "Christian" and followed many ideas considered secular at the time. However, their most recent incarnations under Hussien and Assad were really only baathist in name only. Hussien used his stranglehold on the country to create a more militant version of the the old party. He was able to use fear and hatred for the Shite threat that began growing in Iran, in order to start a war to gain access to Iran's oil fields in the Persian gulf. When he finally gave up this idea (not for lack of effort), he decided the easiest way to gain oil reserves was to invade the smaller Arab Emirates to the south of him.
- NO I am not saying that all "towel heads" are the same, as you would like to believe. Wahhabists and facists that continually make war on their neighbors for gain of land, or (even more sick) in God's name have no place in this world. They are all of our enemies, regardless of our political disagreements, even if you want to befriend them.
- Most of the mullahs (Sunni or Shite) that opposed Hussien during his reign were killed. At what point was Iraq this peaceful nation that was a virtual utopia before big, bad Bush unleashed the blitz?
- Contrary to what you say, the majority of Iraqis are happy to see a regime change in their country (I am sure you do not get this information when you read your copy of the daily worker in Berkley every morning). Just ask the Kuwaitis how they feel about Hussien and US Marines and Army that liberated their country! If the US is as bad as you think they are, why didn't we just annex Kuwait's oil fields when we had the chance? That would have been alot better business move than our current situation.
- NO I am not saying that all "towel heads" are the same, as you would like to believe. Wahhabists and facists that continually make war on their neighbors for gain of land, or (even more sick) in God's name have no place in this world. They are all of our enemies, regardless of our political disagreements, even if you want to befriend them.
- Most of the mullahs (Sunni or Shite) that opposed Hussien during his reign were killed. At what point was Iraq this peaceful nation that was a virtual utopia before big, bad Bush unleashed the blitz?
- Contrary to what you say, the majority of Iraqis are happy to see a regime change in their country (I am sure you do not get this information when you read your copy of the daily worker in Berkley every morning). Just ask the Kuwaitis how they feel about Hussien and US Marines and Army that liberated their country! If the US is as bad as you think they are, why didn't we just annex Kuwait's oil fields when we had the chance? That would have been alot better business move than our current situation.
1) Your assertion that the Iraqi resistance are all "Islamic Fascists" is simply wrong. You haven't shown any evidence to your assertion.
2) There might have been a majority Iraqi (particulary the Kurds) support for the invasion. But there isn't now. In fact I've talked to a few people who've been to Iraq. The occupation is hardly popular and many ordinary prefer Dassam to the chaos thats happening now.
3)So a few kuwatti oil sheiks love America. Ask the other 300 million Arabs.
2) There might have been a majority Iraqi (particulary the Kurds) support for the invasion. But there isn't now. In fact I've talked to a few people who've been to Iraq. The occupation is hardly popular and many ordinary prefer Dassam to the chaos thats happening now.
3)So a few kuwatti oil sheiks love America. Ask the other 300 million Arabs.
1. Many of the Ex-Baathests and international terrorists are loyal to Abu musab Zarqawi. Some of his highlights include plots to blow up hotels in Jordan and to poison food supplies in Great Britain in 2002. Zarqawi has a long relationship with militant Sunnis in Iraq. Hussien allowed him to organize training camps near Baghdad in order to plan strikes on Israel with Hezbollah agents. (Hussien was interested in these operations as a PR stunt to look "tough" against the Jews, an idea that never seems to go out of style.)
2. I hardly think that the vilolence in Iraq is representative of the population as a whole. I do not know who you have spoken to, but I personally know American troops there right now as well as Arabs and Persians that have family in the middle east that are glad that we are trying to eliminate these scum. This notion you have concocted in your mind that these killers are some kind of rebels like George Washington or Luke Skywalker is simply not rational; nor is it supported by any relevent facts.
3. Hussien raped the country of Kuwait. The idea that only a few oil shieks are happy that he is gone could not be further from the truth. This sounds like an idea that you got from Micheal Moore's website or a "Move On" rally. I am curious if you are opposed to all war. If you are not, give me some examples of when you think the US was involved in a just one.
2. I hardly think that the vilolence in Iraq is representative of the population as a whole. I do not know who you have spoken to, but I personally know American troops there right now as well as Arabs and Persians that have family in the middle east that are glad that we are trying to eliminate these scum. This notion you have concocted in your mind that these killers are some kind of rebels like George Washington or Luke Skywalker is simply not rational; nor is it supported by any relevent facts.
3. Hussien raped the country of Kuwait. The idea that only a few oil shieks are happy that he is gone could not be further from the truth. This sounds like an idea that you got from Micheal Moore's website or a "Move On" rally. I am curious if you are opposed to all war. If you are not, give me some examples of when you think the US was involved in a just one.
1) Like Aaron said above : "Interviews with insurgents have revealed that the they are truly a mix-bag of islamists, nationalists, former-soldiers, ba'athists, but most of all they're "ordinary" Iraqi's who hate the US for the misery that it's inflicted on their country." Would you please just admit the insurgents aren't all islamist fascists. It's just false.
2) Calling the resisting Iraqis heroes are your words not mine. If you occupy a country the locals are going to resist. Think Algeria, Vietnam. I suggest the movie "Battle of Algiers".
3) Your right-- I was too glib. Let me be more specific-- Kuwaitti nationals, generally speaking (though not their legions of imported serfs), support America. So what. 98% of Egyptians and 96% Jordananians don't (http://www.merip.org). Over 95% of the Arab world is totally opposed to the occupation. So the Arabs you know are in the exreme minority.
2) Calling the resisting Iraqis heroes are your words not mine. If you occupy a country the locals are going to resist. Think Algeria, Vietnam. I suggest the movie "Battle of Algiers".
3) Your right-- I was too glib. Let me be more specific-- Kuwaitti nationals, generally speaking (though not their legions of imported serfs), support America. So what. 98% of Egyptians and 96% Jordananians don't (http://www.merip.org). Over 95% of the Arab world is totally opposed to the occupation. So the Arabs you know are in the exreme minority.
1. Sorry, but you and Aaron have been exposed to false information. (after reading the partisan website you posted, it is not difficult to see how).
2. Algeria and Vietnam are not comparable to the current situation in Iraq, nor are they to each other. The conflict in Algeria was the result of French policies after WWII to try to hang on to their old African colonies. The US has no designs to annex or colonize any nation in the middle east. Vietnam was a civil war in which the US government attempted to intervene in. You can clearly see from the millions of Vietnamese here today that our policies in Indochina were not nearly as unpopular as your Freshmen History teacher wanted you to believe. I also suggest you read more about these countries brutal governing policies, as well as Vietnam's communist economic theories that have become a joke in today's global economy. (By the way neither of these countries would even exist today if it was not for US and British military actions in the 1940's.)
3. Big Shock! I probably would say the same thing if I lived in a nation that was allowed to screen what information was given to their people. Use your head man! when was the last time you saw 98% of anyone agree on any subject in a poll? Remeber Kim Jong and Hussien won their "elections" by abourt 99.9% of the population.
2. Algeria and Vietnam are not comparable to the current situation in Iraq, nor are they to each other. The conflict in Algeria was the result of French policies after WWII to try to hang on to their old African colonies. The US has no designs to annex or colonize any nation in the middle east. Vietnam was a civil war in which the US government attempted to intervene in. You can clearly see from the millions of Vietnamese here today that our policies in Indochina were not nearly as unpopular as your Freshmen History teacher wanted you to believe. I also suggest you read more about these countries brutal governing policies, as well as Vietnam's communist economic theories that have become a joke in today's global economy. (By the way neither of these countries would even exist today if it was not for US and British military actions in the 1940's.)
3. Big Shock! I probably would say the same thing if I lived in a nation that was allowed to screen what information was given to their people. Use your head man! when was the last time you saw 98% of anyone agree on any subject in a poll? Remeber Kim Jong and Hussien won their "elections" by abourt 99.9% of the population.
what do saddam hussein and osama bin laden share?
--both were at one time beneficiaries and allies of the united states. bin laden received assistance from the US when it convened an islamist woodstock in afghanistan in the 1980s. hussein's relationship with the US goes back to the late 1950s when he worked as a hired thug for the CIA. his party, the ba'ath, came to power in 1963 in a coup d'etat
assisted by the US government. in the 1980s, hussein received intelligence reports, weapons, and credits from the Reagan adminiistration. it wasn't until he tried to take the kuwaiti corporation in 1990--two years after he gassed the kurds--that the US broke off it's close relations with him.
--they are sworn enemies.
--american rightist clowns can't tell them apart or distinguish them from other muslims and arabs.
--both were at one time beneficiaries and allies of the united states. bin laden received assistance from the US when it convened an islamist woodstock in afghanistan in the 1980s. hussein's relationship with the US goes back to the late 1950s when he worked as a hired thug for the CIA. his party, the ba'ath, came to power in 1963 in a coup d'etat
assisted by the US government. in the 1980s, hussein received intelligence reports, weapons, and credits from the Reagan adminiistration. it wasn't until he tried to take the kuwaiti corporation in 1990--two years after he gassed the kurds--that the US broke off it's close relations with him.
--they are sworn enemies.
--american rightist clowns can't tell them apart or distinguish them from other muslims and arabs.
1) From the mainstream U.S.A today.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-07-05-detainees-usat_x.htm
Foreign fighters are 2% of the prisoners of war. So the "Osama types" (the ones who that could most call "Islamic fascists" are an extreme minority). The other 98% are homegrown Iraqiis-- Sunnis and Shias. But I guess they are all the same-- Islamic fascists.
DMH-- I let you in on a little secret. Every adult male Iraqi is armed to the teeth. They are unemployed and pissed. The US army now has a guerilla war on its hands. Its a MESS.
2) Algeria, Vietnam, Iraq all have different histories. I'm glad you read. My point is simply a foriegn occupation gets nationalist resistance. You can pretend this isn't happening-- we can debate history-- but the bodies are piling up. The sooner the true believers, like yourself, admit their error in judgement the more lives can be saved from this MESS.
3)Saddam didn't have 99.9% favorable rating in a poll. He got 99.9% of the vote. Apples and Oranges. Get your terms right please. Polls can be done by independent researchers. They can be accurate or inaccurate. If you think the Arab world supports the occupation -- you should see a proctologist to get your head out of your ass. Your head is a MESS.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2004-07-05-detainees-usat_x.htm
Foreign fighters are 2% of the prisoners of war. So the "Osama types" (the ones who that could most call "Islamic fascists" are an extreme minority). The other 98% are homegrown Iraqiis-- Sunnis and Shias. But I guess they are all the same-- Islamic fascists.
DMH-- I let you in on a little secret. Every adult male Iraqi is armed to the teeth. They are unemployed and pissed. The US army now has a guerilla war on its hands. Its a MESS.
2) Algeria, Vietnam, Iraq all have different histories. I'm glad you read. My point is simply a foriegn occupation gets nationalist resistance. You can pretend this isn't happening-- we can debate history-- but the bodies are piling up. The sooner the true believers, like yourself, admit their error in judgement the more lives can be saved from this MESS.
3)Saddam didn't have 99.9% favorable rating in a poll. He got 99.9% of the vote. Apples and Oranges. Get your terms right please. Polls can be done by independent researchers. They can be accurate or inaccurate. If you think the Arab world supports the occupation -- you should see a proctologist to get your head out of your ass. Your head is a MESS.
You are correct. Arguing and debating about history the last couple of days has not really altered either of our ideals. Eventually we would stoop to claiming that we were "informed" about American CIA actions in the last 40 years. (Hmm..I wonder if Aaron has ever even spoken to anyone that was involved in intelligence gathering in anyway, not nuts at street rallies/but ex-agents or anyone affiliated with the Justice Department?) Anyway, it is clear that you have very strong convictions about this situation. It is also clear that you hate warfare which anyone with a pea of a brain should. Why do think the violence would come to end if the US simply walked away? The situation would be even worse than it is right now. Any hope of a democratic Iraq would fail. It would create a virtual parade of militaristic nuts and would-be Shahs that would want to ignore their own people's civil rights. The US government would be blamed for not doing enough, instead of too much. What is the way you would solve this mess? Do think it is better to step back and let them fend for themselves? The main difference b/w clowns on the left and clowns on the right is that the right understands that war is unavoidable with people who can't be reasoned with. No matter how much peace and love you show for your fellow man (which you should) there is always those who are willing to step up and exploit your liberalist attitude. "people only retain from the past what they want to find there"--Adolf Hitler 1941
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