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Infiltrator Among Cascadia Forest Defenders!
Andrew Hengel was collecting information on CFD for an unknown source. Do you have any additional information about him? CFD would like to know! Email them at forestdefenders [at] riseup.net!
Hello all, here is a photo of a person who was collecting information on CFD for an unknown source. He could be working for the forest service, a wise use group, a logging company or some other group. We have hard evidence to support this claim and this person has been banned from CFD and we are trying to get this information out there so that other activist groups will be aware. His name is Andrew Hengel age 39. Please help spread this information and his photo.
If the photo doesn't post visit the Cascadia Forest Defenders web page to see it.
If you've got any information about Andrew Hengel please post it here or send it to forestdefenders [at] riseup.net.
If the photo doesn't post visit the Cascadia Forest Defenders web page to see it.
If you've got any information about Andrew Hengel please post it here or send it to forestdefenders [at] riseup.net.
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http://cascadiarising.org/or/2004/08/514.s...
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People who are white, male, and born in the US and have a moustache but no beard have a high correlation with not being liberal or leftist, and also it is highly frequent among military and police officers. This is the reason amish people, who are pacifist, have a beard but no moustache, incidentally. This correlation does not seem to apply to latinos, black people, asians and asian americans, or immigrants from eastern europe.
Also, Muslims who are Asian, African, Arab, European and of many other origins wear a beard and trim the stach according to tradition. In fact the tradition says to do the opposite of people like this western guy and distinguish themselves with a beard. This can be diminished in the West though where many Muslim immigrants will cut the beard and grow the stach to fit in. I personally find well trimmed beards to be more aesthetically pleasing than staches that can border on the absurd with the whole rug lip thing. Now you got guys with wild flowing beards in a couple different cultures. But where exactly does the cut the beard grow the stach thing come from? And when and why did the oversized stach enter the picture? Have you seen a 'ruglip' before? They are quite funny.
by the way, no offense to anyone with a moustache. We're just neutrally trying to point out a negative correlation that seems to exist, but there are many great people with just a moustache.
before you start making assumptions that this is some kind of white guy bashing, i would check with CFD first. OK?
Excellent work, Cascadia!
However, a better job would have been to overload the mole with false and misleading information and then study his movements...
No matter, we cannot always achieve the best option, but we can always achieve gains on the way to the ultimate success of the peoples will and the overthrow of the rule of corporate tyranny.
I hate to tell you this, all of you, but the oligarch is soon going to start sending little whimpering signals that will actually "sound" good to your ears and most importantly, the ears of the middle class bovine consumer. It is of course bogus trivia designed to defuse the obviously heightened tension in the air and the large likelihood of citizen events in the near future, across the planet.
The oligarch has NEVER surrendered to the rule of reason, equality, or justice without having first been dragged there.
It is important that a national file continue to be developed in localities across the planet depicting and describing known felons who are acting against the precepts of the nation and international law in order to protect the interests of the criminally deranged corporate ownership. This obviousluy includes the prostituted media ownership which deliberately avoids the truth in order to retain corporate advertising sales levels.
You can run that newspaper without the owners or advertising, you know...then you could possibly even call it journalism!
By the way, I DO hope everyone is well aware of how effective sugar can be....against combustion engines....of all types....
Too easy. Mercenaries always run.
However, a better job would have been to overload the mole with false and misleading information and then study his movements...
No matter, we cannot always achieve the best option, but we can always achieve gains on the way to the ultimate success of the peoples will and the overthrow of the rule of corporate tyranny.
I hate to tell you this, all of you, but the oligarch is soon going to start sending little whimpering signals that will actually "sound" good to your ears and most importantly, the ears of the middle class bovine consumer. It is of course bogus trivia designed to defuse the obviously heightened tension in the air and the large likelihood of citizen events in the near future, across the planet.
The oligarch has NEVER surrendered to the rule of reason, equality, or justice without having first been dragged there.
It is important that a national file continue to be developed in localities across the planet depicting and describing known felons who are acting against the precepts of the nation and international law in order to protect the interests of the criminally deranged corporate ownership. This obviousluy includes the prostituted media ownership which deliberately avoids the truth in order to retain corporate advertising sales levels.
You can run that newspaper without the owners or advertising, you know...then you could possibly even call it journalism!
By the way, I DO hope everyone is well aware of how effective sugar can be....against combustion engines....of all types....
Too easy. Mercenaries always run.
blue-bird amung us
shunka,you have branded us all criminals, theft, larceny, vandalism, fraud, and at first there was David Chain, now there are more, how many more tell us shunka
how many more are waiting to be discovered?
he is probably FBI investigating mail fraud by shunka. the forrest now stinks to greed as our leaders content to see who can pilfer the most money from our cause. indeed we are all tainted by your actions
shunka,you have branded us all criminals, theft, larceny, vandalism, fraud, and at first there was David Chain, now there are more, how many more tell us shunka
how many more are waiting to be discovered?
he is probably FBI investigating mail fraud by shunka. the forrest now stinks to greed as our leaders content to see who can pilfer the most money from our cause. indeed we are all tainted by your actions
It is important that a national file continue to be developed in localities across the planet depicting and describing known felons who are acting against the precepts of the nation and international law in order to protect the interests of the criminally deranged
it has been my experiance that CFD normally will acuse without solid evedence or based on hearsay and then fails to produce that solid eveidence. beware the infilltrators within CFD. they are there.....but i dont have proof and if i did i wouldnt show it to you.lol
you all are supposed to be the liberal minded protestors but yet you judge this man on his outward apperance. WTF! that is real lame, just because someone looks one way doesn't mean they are that. i guess you are the same folk who got pissd off in school when other kids gave you shit about having dreads or a mohawk or wearing unfashionable clothes, or got pissed when store security followed you around cuz your clothes weren't clean, or you just looked the type to steal. and then you screamed that they were being judgemental based only on your looks. come on and grow up, really.
Another CFD typical publicity media show. A few months ago CFD staged a FAKE camp raid at the females area and blamed it on the forestry service. How do I know it was... "fake"? Because I was there and know the name of the person who was planning these publicity stunts. I didn't participate but believed in the needed attention to their cause. What I didn't agree with was afterwards how they also used this to play on peoples emotions to gain financial support.
CFD should stand for Child Fucking Daycare!!!
CFD should stand for Child Fucking Daycare!!!
comment 25.Aug.2004 20:28
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matthew cwaturnip [at] yahoo.com link
Andrew has been a help to CFD over the past year or more.
He has volunteered as many have, to help with any or all
that was needed. He never asked for anything in return.
the simple fact that he was doing what he belived in
was enough for him to sacrifice, as we all have.
Unfortunately even within ourselves we cannot place
total trust. Then how can we trust others, but by their actions
in which they conduct their lives. He was judged by some to be
a threat to their actions and beliefs in which he had no part
or control. He came to the help of those who asked of it.
When doubted through fear he was judged to be unworthy
of the lovingkindness we all need to show each other among this world
to ever succeed in or dreams and beliefs. If we fail to have faith
in all we do, we become blind to the truth in which we base our lives.
Those who know andrew, know his character and his honesty.
everyone stereotypes the way he looks, everyone doubts his kindness,
everyone doubts his motives, everyone doubts who he is, who he has been.
no one has given him the respect
of getting to know him or understand him. for this reason he
has been called a liar, a back stabber, a snitch, a pig, and
been down right spit on by those who are spit on by the government
and the world of greedy greased up obiese slick haired americans
and corporate monkies.
When will it be are turn to be turned on by the ones with which
we share our lives and our struggles.
Please at least give him the respect of not alienating him by
destroying his life by feeding your poison to others who do not
see the things you do. No one will comprehend what you choose not
to understand.
COME TOGETHER 25.Aug.2004 20:30
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-------------- link
--CFD is not a single body, nor is it a community body in which all are represented by one or more persons.
--Why are the choices/decisions/actions/perceptions and fears of the few, the voices of all indiividuals
--who make up the defenders of a way of life that promises to bring peace and joy through community and struggle.
CFD Dumb Asses 26.Aug.2004 15:22
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Trey-1621 link
You guys are totally stupid! What is this B.S. with his address, he gave you his number if you really wanted to call him you didn't have to play your stupid games by inciting people to harass some 80yr old-(probably his mother). What a bunch of F#%@ offs. I have known Andrew for a little over a year now and had several opportunities to worked with him in the forest. The shit he taught me there is no way he is a "cop". No badge would have shown me the stuff he did. You dumb asses want to take this to a different level and bring it to his front door, what the hell is going through you demented brain. 1) you are going to get labeled as a terrorist group and 2) this dude will be right at your back door and rock your world. I will no longer be supporting your cause because if you piss him off the forest will be a very dangerous place to be. I do not want anything to do with your group or sabotage tactics [bringing crap to his house] I am publicly renouncing my affiliation with CFD; My first name is Trey and the number 1621 will personally identify me when it becomes necessary.
I'm telling you mess with him too much; the shit he taught me and what we talked about, he is going to fuck you up.
This hole thing is really sad because I very much enjoyed going out to the forest and spending time there, but you assholes are making it an unsafe place. If anybody wants to talk to him they can call CFD and get his number or email him at westcoastcommdiving [at] earthling.net. Quit screwing around on the Internet and get a grip! Sometimes what might seem [very] obvious (evidence wise) is not when both sides of the story are fully explored.
My advice is this: Since CFD is mainly CONTROLLED by a few Femin-nazi's. Nothing constructive will happen. People will do best separating themselves or their cause from CFD!!!
in response to trey 27.Aug.2004 21:05
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nyles link
you, sir, are a complete idiot.
ToTrey and everyone else 28.Aug.2004 10:52
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Salamenr link
Fuck you and fuck your Femin-nazi's comment..who the fuck are you anyway?
I was leaiving in the Forest and in Town and fuck you...excues my leanguage but that is really stupid.
The evidence is enough.
Get of the internet and do something..you fool!
What's wrong with people?Why is evryone talking shit about CFD and saying what we got to do without knowing us or ever been here?
Yooooooooooooo..we got evidence..and now..stop talking shit about women, or CFD.
Thanks.
same than before 28.Aug.2004 11:09
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salamander link
I'm really mad right now and that's why my writting was all funky before..but,anyway..Who are you Trey?
well well 28.Aug.2004 21:35
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hmmmmm link
i was a part of cfd for over a year. i left due to the growing division between genders, and the gender tense atomosphere surrounding cfd. i am not bashing cfd, but i seriously question their actions in alot of cases that involve men. i am not the author of the femi nazi comment, but i can understand why someone would use that term in reference to some of those who run with cfd., i seriously question the tactics invovled in this case of alleged infiltrtion. why dont you just post the damn evidence and be done with it. i am not going to blindly believe anyone. i dont care who you are. if you post a persons name, picture and info then you better put up some info to back up your claims. otherwise your actions are sriously suspect regardless of who you are, who you know or who you work with. just because you are forest defenders does not mean that you can openly accuse someone with out showing eveidence. how would you like to be arrested, tried, and convicted without ever knowing what it was that convicted you? this is an unfair practice regardless of whether he is actually an infiltrator or not. why do you think we as a community should blindly accept all you say with no proof? do you take us for fools?
by looking at many of the response from cfd in this post i can see that when people dont take your word as law with out proof you get pissed, and when someone refutes your points with points of their own you attack with rage insstead of logic....hmmmmmm this looks like suspicious behavior to me.
as for ttreys comment, he seems to know and trust the alleged infiltrator. how do you approach that without just attacking him personally and calling him an idiot. what is your god damn proof is all we are asking, so why not show it. otherwise i mark this down as yet another cfd style "run 'em out of town cuz they aint the stereotypical forest defender." sorry but i have seen it before. good people run off because of mistakes or rumors
oh yeah 28.Aug.2004 21:44
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hmmmm link
what about the above comments by matthew??? noone from Cascadia Feds and Dupes has bothered to address those yet??????
when will cfd grow up and get real. they are a load of spoiled kids playing at revolutionary., and when the true revolutionary show up they get scared and force them out.
look at fall creek, the most kick ass long running campaign in the history of cascadia and they got cut off by cfd cuz they didn't want to sign a paper saying they would support a policy that they believe in anyway, they just were anarchists that dont like paper work or what it means.
now i know that i am opening myself for a shit ton of attacks from the cfd'ers by associating myself with fall creek, and that my comments will be most likely written off as hate from an oppresive man, but truth must be known, and i aint an oppresor, just a person who tries to see beyond gender and beyond peoples faults. maybe we could all try and look beyond peoples minor faults, their off hand comments, the way they look at you and dont say anything, the funny phrases that might offend, the moustache, the haircut, all that bullshit that true change is not supposed to be about. how about we open ourselves to those who have made mistakes and want to change, instead of giving them the big boot out.
okay i'll get off my soap box now.
what are you gonna do when you run all the hard workers and people who care away and are only left with your perfectly pc drones?
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matthew cwaturnip [at] yahoo.com link
Andrew has been a help to CFD over the past year or more.
He has volunteered as many have, to help with any or all
that was needed. He never asked for anything in return.
the simple fact that he was doing what he belived in
was enough for him to sacrifice, as we all have.
Unfortunately even within ourselves we cannot place
total trust. Then how can we trust others, but by their actions
in which they conduct their lives. He was judged by some to be
a threat to their actions and beliefs in which he had no part
or control. He came to the help of those who asked of it.
When doubted through fear he was judged to be unworthy
of the lovingkindness we all need to show each other among this world
to ever succeed in or dreams and beliefs. If we fail to have faith
in all we do, we become blind to the truth in which we base our lives.
Those who know andrew, know his character and his honesty.
everyone stereotypes the way he looks, everyone doubts his kindness,
everyone doubts his motives, everyone doubts who he is, who he has been.
no one has given him the respect
of getting to know him or understand him. for this reason he
has been called a liar, a back stabber, a snitch, a pig, and
been down right spit on by those who are spit on by the government
and the world of greedy greased up obiese slick haired americans
and corporate monkies.
When will it be are turn to be turned on by the ones with which
we share our lives and our struggles.
Please at least give him the respect of not alienating him by
destroying his life by feeding your poison to others who do not
see the things you do. No one will comprehend what you choose not
to understand.
COME TOGETHER 25.Aug.2004 20:30
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
-------------- link
--CFD is not a single body, nor is it a community body in which all are represented by one or more persons.
--Why are the choices/decisions/actions/perceptions and fears of the few, the voices of all indiividuals
--who make up the defenders of a way of life that promises to bring peace and joy through community and struggle.
CFD Dumb Asses 26.Aug.2004 15:22
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Trey-1621 link
You guys are totally stupid! What is this B.S. with his address, he gave you his number if you really wanted to call him you didn't have to play your stupid games by inciting people to harass some 80yr old-(probably his mother). What a bunch of F#%@ offs. I have known Andrew for a little over a year now and had several opportunities to worked with him in the forest. The shit he taught me there is no way he is a "cop". No badge would have shown me the stuff he did. You dumb asses want to take this to a different level and bring it to his front door, what the hell is going through you demented brain. 1) you are going to get labeled as a terrorist group and 2) this dude will be right at your back door and rock your world. I will no longer be supporting your cause because if you piss him off the forest will be a very dangerous place to be. I do not want anything to do with your group or sabotage tactics [bringing crap to his house] I am publicly renouncing my affiliation with CFD; My first name is Trey and the number 1621 will personally identify me when it becomes necessary.
I'm telling you mess with him too much; the shit he taught me and what we talked about, he is going to fuck you up.
This hole thing is really sad because I very much enjoyed going out to the forest and spending time there, but you assholes are making it an unsafe place. If anybody wants to talk to him they can call CFD and get his number or email him at westcoastcommdiving [at] earthling.net. Quit screwing around on the Internet and get a grip! Sometimes what might seem [very] obvious (evidence wise) is not when both sides of the story are fully explored.
My advice is this: Since CFD is mainly CONTROLLED by a few Femin-nazi's. Nothing constructive will happen. People will do best separating themselves or their cause from CFD!!!
in response to trey 27.Aug.2004 21:05
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
nyles link
you, sir, are a complete idiot.
ToTrey and everyone else 28.Aug.2004 10:52
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Salamenr link
Fuck you and fuck your Femin-nazi's comment..who the fuck are you anyway?
I was leaiving in the Forest and in Town and fuck you...excues my leanguage but that is really stupid.
The evidence is enough.
Get of the internet and do something..you fool!
What's wrong with people?Why is evryone talking shit about CFD and saying what we got to do without knowing us or ever been here?
Yooooooooooooo..we got evidence..and now..stop talking shit about women, or CFD.
Thanks.
same than before 28.Aug.2004 11:09
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
salamander link
I'm really mad right now and that's why my writting was all funky before..but,anyway..Who are you Trey?
well well 28.Aug.2004 21:35
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
hmmmmm link
i was a part of cfd for over a year. i left due to the growing division between genders, and the gender tense atomosphere surrounding cfd. i am not bashing cfd, but i seriously question their actions in alot of cases that involve men. i am not the author of the femi nazi comment, but i can understand why someone would use that term in reference to some of those who run with cfd., i seriously question the tactics invovled in this case of alleged infiltrtion. why dont you just post the damn evidence and be done with it. i am not going to blindly believe anyone. i dont care who you are. if you post a persons name, picture and info then you better put up some info to back up your claims. otherwise your actions are sriously suspect regardless of who you are, who you know or who you work with. just because you are forest defenders does not mean that you can openly accuse someone with out showing eveidence. how would you like to be arrested, tried, and convicted without ever knowing what it was that convicted you? this is an unfair practice regardless of whether he is actually an infiltrator or not. why do you think we as a community should blindly accept all you say with no proof? do you take us for fools?
by looking at many of the response from cfd in this post i can see that when people dont take your word as law with out proof you get pissed, and when someone refutes your points with points of their own you attack with rage insstead of logic....hmmmmmm this looks like suspicious behavior to me.
as for ttreys comment, he seems to know and trust the alleged infiltrator. how do you approach that without just attacking him personally and calling him an idiot. what is your god damn proof is all we are asking, so why not show it. otherwise i mark this down as yet another cfd style "run 'em out of town cuz they aint the stereotypical forest defender." sorry but i have seen it before. good people run off because of mistakes or rumors
oh yeah 28.Aug.2004 21:44
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
hmmmm link
what about the above comments by matthew??? noone from Cascadia Feds and Dupes has bothered to address those yet??????
when will cfd grow up and get real. they are a load of spoiled kids playing at revolutionary., and when the true revolutionary show up they get scared and force them out.
look at fall creek, the most kick ass long running campaign in the history of cascadia and they got cut off by cfd cuz they didn't want to sign a paper saying they would support a policy that they believe in anyway, they just were anarchists that dont like paper work or what it means.
now i know that i am opening myself for a shit ton of attacks from the cfd'ers by associating myself with fall creek, and that my comments will be most likely written off as hate from an oppresive man, but truth must be known, and i aint an oppresor, just a person who tries to see beyond gender and beyond peoples faults. maybe we could all try and look beyond peoples minor faults, their off hand comments, the way they look at you and dont say anything, the funny phrases that might offend, the moustache, the haircut, all that bullshit that true change is not supposed to be about. how about we open ourselves to those who have made mistakes and want to change, instead of giving them the big boot out.
okay i'll get off my soap box now.
what are you gonna do when you run all the hard workers and people who care away and are only left with your perfectly pc drones?
CFD are a bunch of punks, I know Andrew and he's solid. I've done time with him in the Oregon State Corrections Institute (OSCI) in Salem. If Andrew was in to mess with them it's because CFD stepped on his toes and pissed him off. From what I've read and heard about CFD this is something typical that they do to people. Judging from what I've read on portland indymedia and from people who have been involved with CFD, they have a bunch of women man-haters who took over and run everything. If you don't sympathize to their wants and needs they pretty much kick you out. Ask around about CFD with some to the brothers down there in Eugene and find out what kind of freaks and liars they are. I hope you keep fucking with this dude, you'll see what I mean!
could it be those freepers?
I don't care what you people are into. I am not an activist but if you know what is good for you especially if you have children, CHECK HIS RECORD. He is a dangerous man that will completely ruin your life. Not because he has any beliefs that things should be changed but because he thrives on drama. It really doesn't matter if you have known him 5 minutes or 5 years he doesn't change. He will pull you down with him. It is free to go to your local courthouse and check his criminal record, I urge you to do it. Especially if you have children.
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