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The Trouble With Left Activism

by Christian Parenti, et al
This brave new ideology combines the political illiteracy of hyper-mediated American culture with all the moral zeal of a nineteenth century temperance crusade.
Radical Society - debut issue
"Action Will Be Taken":
Left Anti-intellectualism and Its Discontents
Liza Featherstone, Doug Henwood, and Christian Parenti


"We can't get bogged down in analysis," one activist told us at an anti-war rally in New York last fall, spitting out that last word like a hairball. He could have relaxed his vigilance. This event deftly avoided such bogs, loudly opposing the U.S. bombing in Afghanistan without offering any credible ideas about it (we're not counting the notion that the entire escapade was driven by Unocal and Lockheed Martin, the "analysis" advanced by many speakers). But the moment called for doing something more than brandishing the exact same signs - "Stop the Bombing" and "No War for Oil" - that activists poked skywards during the Gulf War. This latest war called for some thinking, and few were doing much of that.

So what is the ideology of the activist left (and by that we mean the global justice, peace, media democracy, community organizing, financial populist, and green movements)? Socialist? Mostly not - too state-phobic. Some actvisits are anarchists - but mainly out of temperamental reflex, not rigorous thought. Others are liberals - though most are too confrontational and too skeptical about the system to embrace that label. And many others profess no ideology at all. So over all is the activist left just an inchoate, "post-ideological" mass of do-gooders, pragmatists and puppeteers?

No. The young troublemakers of today do have an ideology and it is as deeply felt and intellectually totalizing as any of the great belief systems of yore. The cadres who populate those endless meetings, who bang the drum, who lead the "trainings" and paint the puppets, do indeed have a creed. They are Activismists.

That's right, Activismists. This brave new ideology combines the political illiteracy of hyper-mediated American culture with all the moral zeal of a nineteenth century temperance crusade. In this worldview, all roads lead to more activism and more activists. And the one who acts is righteous. The activistists seem to borrow their philosophy from the factory boss in a Heinrich Böll short story who greets his employees each morning with the exhortation "Let's have some action." To which the workers obediently reply: "Action will be taken!"

Activists unconsciously echoing factory bosses? The parallel isn't as far-fetched as it might seem, as another German, Theodor Adorno, suggests. Adorno - who admittedly doesn't have the last word on activism, since he called the cops on University of Frankfurt demonstrators in 1968 - nonetheless had a good point when he criticized the student and antiwar movement of the 1960s for what he called "actionism." In his eyes this was an unreflective "collective compulsion for positivity that allows its immediate translation into practice." Though embraced by people who imagine themselves to be radical agitators, that thoughtless compulsion mirrors the pragmatic empiricism of the dominant culture - "not the least way in which actionism fits so smoothly into society's prevailing trend." Actionism, he concluded, "is regressive...it refuses to reflect on its own impotence."

It may seem odd to cite this just when activistism seems to be working fine. Protest is on an upswing; even the post 9/11 frenzy of terror baiting didn't shut down the movement. Demonstrators were out in force to protest the World Economic Forum, with a grace and discipline that buoyed sprits worldwide. The youth getting busted, gassed and trailed by the cops are putting their bodies on the line to oppose global capital; they are brave and committed, even heroic.

But is action enough? We pose this question precisely because activism seems so strong. The flipside of all this agitation is a corrosive and aggressive anti-intellectualism. We object to this hostility toward thinking - not only because we've all got a cranky intellectual bent, but also because it limits the movement's transformative power.

Our gripe is historically specific. If everyone was busy with bullshit doctrinal debates we would prescribe a little anti-intellectualism. But that is not the case right now.


The Real Price of Not Thinking

How does activist anti-intellectualism manifest on the ground? One instance is the reduction of strategy to mere tactics, to horrible effect. Take for example the largely failed San Francisco protest against the National Association of Broadcasters, an action which ended up costing tens of thousand of dollars, gained almost no attention, had no impact on the NAB, and nearly ruined one of the sponsoring organizations. During a post-mortem discussion of this debacle one of the organizers reminded her audience that: "We had three thousand people marching through [the shopping district] Union Square protesting the media. That's amazing. It had never happened before." Never mind the utter non-impact of this aimless march. The point was clear: we marched for ourselves. We were our own targets. Activism made us good.

Thoughtless activism confuses the formulation of political aims. One of us was on a conference panel during which an activist lawyer went on about the virtues of small businesses, and the need for city policy to encourage them. When it was pointed out that enthusiasm for small business should be tempered by a recognition that smaller businesses tend to pay less, are harder to organize, offer fewer fringe benefits, and are more dangerous than larger businesses, the lawyer dismissed this as "the paralysis of analysis." On another panel, when it was pointed out that Alinsky-style community organizing is a practical and theoretical failure whose severe limitations need to be recognized, an organizer and community credit union promoter shut down the conversation with a simple: "I just don't want to discuss this."

The anti-war "movement" is perhaps the most egregious recent example of a promising political phenomenon that was badly damaged by the anti-intellectual outlook of activistism. While activists frequently comment on the success of the growing peace movement - many actions take place, conferences are planned, new people become activists, a huge protest is scheduled for April in Washington, D.C. - no one seems to notice that it's no longer clear what war we're protesting. Repression at home? Future wars in Somalia or Iraq? Even in the case of Afghanistan, it turned out to be important to have something to say to skeptics who asked: "What's your alternative? I think the government should protect me from terrorists, and plus this Taliban doesn't seem so great." The movement failed to address such questions, and protests dwindled.

On some college campuses, by contrast, where the war has been seen as a complicated opportunity for conversation rather than sign-waving, the movement has done better. But everywhere, the unwillingness to think about what it means to be against the war and how war fits into the global project of American empire, has also led to a poverty of thinking about what kind of actions make sense. "How can we strategically affect the situation?" asks Lara Jiramanus of Boston's Campus Anti-War Coalition. "So we want to stop the humanitarian crisis in Afghanistan - what does it mean to have that as our goal? I don't think we talk about that enough."

We're not arguing for conformist ideologies. The impulse to resist hierarchy and mind-control is one of the more appealing and useful facets of the new activism. Consider the campus anti-sweatshop movement, which includes members of the International Socialist Organization, SDS-type radical democrats, anarchists and plain-vanilla liberals. This movement's willingness to embrace radicals and non-radicals alike has been a strength, attracting both policy wonks and people who like to chain their throats to the dean's desk. Such flexibility is usually commendable. What bothers us about activistism as an ideology is that is renders taboo any discussion of ideas or beliefs, and thus stymies both thought and action.

Many activists agree. Jiramanus, who is also involved in the Harvard Living Wage Campaign, says that some in that group believe that the fight for a living wage is part of a "larger ideal" while others don't. "But if your analysis is not broad enough," she points out, "you're not much different from those groups that do charity work." In her campus labor solidarity group, "people will say, 'I'm not progressive, I just care about this issue.' There's a failure to think of our work in a larger context, and a reluctance to ask people what they believe. There needs to be a venue for talking about alternative economic systems." But she says these questions don't get talked about, and people who do think about them are afraid to bring them up in meetings. "It's like, 'there's no time for it, we need to win the living wage campaign right now.'"

Thoughtful people find this censorious hyperpragmatism alienating and can drop away from organizing as a result. But that's not the only problem. It's important to encourage better thinking, says Jiramanus, "so hippie-to-yuppie doesn't happen again." As she points out, without an analysis of what's really wrong with the world - or a vision of the better world you're trying to create - people have no reason to continue being activists once a particular campaign is over. In this way, activist-ism plus single-issue politics can end up defeating itself. Activistism is tedious, and its foot soldiers suffer constant burnout. Thinking, after all, is engaging; were it encouraged, Jiramanus pleads, "We'd all be enjoying ourselves a bit more."

Increasingly, there are activists who treat ideas as important. "We need to develop a new rhetoric that connects sweatshops -- and living wage and the right to organize -- to the global economy," says the University of Michigan's Jackie Bray, an anti-sweatshop activist. Liana Molina of Santa Clara University agrees: "I think our economic system determines everything!" But about the student movement's somewhat vague ideology, she has mixed feelings. "It's good to be ambiguous and inclusive," so as not to alienate more conservative, newer, or less politicized members, she says. "But I also think a class analysis is needed. Then again, that gets shady, because people are like, 'Well, what are you for, socialism? What?'"

The problem is that activists, like Molina, who are asking the difficult questions that push into new political terrain are very often forced to operate in frustrating isolation, without the support of a community of fellow thinkers.


From Whence Came This Malady?

Steve Duncombe, a NYC-DAN activist, author, and NYU professor, says his fellow activists "think very little about capitalism outside a moral discourse: big is bad, and nothing about the state except in a sort of right wing dismissal: state as authoritarian daddy."

Activistism is also intimately related to the decline of Marxism, which at its best thrived on debates about the relations between theory and practice, part and whole. Unfortunately, much of this tradition has devolved into the alternately dreary and hilarious rants in sectarian papers. Marxism's decline (but not death: the three of us would happily claim the name) has led to wooly ideas about a nicer capitalism, and an indifference to how the system works as a whole. This blinkering is especially virulent in the U.S. where a petit-bourgeois populism is the native radical strain, and anti-intellectualism is almost hard-wired into the culture. And because activistism emphasizes practicality, achievability, and implementation over all else, a theory dedicated to understanding deep structures with an eye towards changing them necessarily gets shunted aside.

Marxism's decline isn't just an intellectual concern - it too has practical effects. If you lack any serious understanding of how capitalism works, then it's easy to delude yourself into thinking that moral appeals to the consciences of CEOs and finance ministers will have some effect. You might think that central banks' habit of provoking recessions when the unemployment rate gets too low is a policy based on a mere misunderstanding. You might think that structural adjustment and imperial war are just bad lifestyle choices.

Unreflective pragmatism is also encouraged by much of the left's dependency on foundations. Philanthropy's role in structuring activism is rarely discussed, because almost everyone wants a grant (including us). But it should be. Foundations likefocused entities that undertake specific politely meliorative schemes. They don't want anyone to look too closely at the system that's given them buckets of money that less fortunate people are forced to bay for.

Activistism is contaminated by the cultural forms and political content of the non-profit sector. Because nonprofits are essentially businesses that sell press coverage of themselves to foundation program officers, they operate according to the anti-intellectual logic of hyper-pragmatism and the fiscal year short-termism generated by financial competition with their peer organizations. When nonprofit business lead, the whole left begins to take on the same obsessive focus with "deliverables" and "take aways" and "staying on message." For many political nonprofits, actions - regardless of their value or real impact - are the product, which in turn promise access to more grants.

Nonprofit culture fosters an array of mind-killing practices. Brainstorming on butcher paper and the use of break out groups are effective methods for generating and collecting ideas and or organizing pieces of a larger action. However when used to organize political discussions these nonprofit tools can be disastrous. More often than not, everybody says some thing, break out groups report back to the whole group, lists are complied - and nothing really happens.


What is to be done?

Our point is not that there should be less activism. The left is nothing without visible, disruptive displays of power. We applaud activism and engage in it ourselves. What we are calling for is an assault on the stupidity that pervades American culture. This implies a more democratic approach to the life of the mind and creating spaces for ideas in our lives and political work.

We're not calling for leadership by intellectuals. On the contrary, we challenge left activist culture to live up to its anti-hierarchical claims: activists should themselves become intellectuals. Why reproduce the larger society's division between mental and physical labor? The rousing applause for Noam Chomsky at the World Social Forum in Porto Allegre was hardly undeserved, but ideas don't belong on pedestals. They belong in the street, at work, in the home, at the bar and on the barricades.

We put out this call - to indulge a bit of activist-ism lingo - because the current moment demands some thinking. With overwhelming approval for Bush and his endless war, waving one's "Stop the Bombing" sign from ten years ago won't build a mass movement. Nor will bland moralism win the day: "War is Not the Answer" is little better than "War is the Answer" -- as read a counter demonstrator's placard recently spotted in Manhattan.

The Movement is also undergoing a fascinating rhetorical shift, as activists reject terms like "antiglobalization," which emphasized - not very lucidly - what they're against, in favor of slogans like "Another World is Possible" which dare to evoke the possibility of radically different economic arrangements. What would that other world look like?

Activists must engage that question - and to do so, they have to do a better job of understanding how this world really works. Intellectuals briefing activist groups on some aspect of how things are often face a tediously reductive question: "That's all very interesting, but how can we organize around that? What would be the slogans?"

None of us were in Genoa or Porto Alegre, but we're told that there was plenty of serious discussion of both this world and the better one. But Americans shouldn't have to go all the way to Brazil or Italy to talk and think about this stuff. Unfortunately here at home, those with the confidence to discuss such questions are too often the ones with the silliest ideas: at the "Another World Is Possible rally" during WEF weekend, speakers waxed hopefully of a world in which all produce will be locally grown. That's absurd, unless you're planning to abandon cities, give up on industrial civilization, and reduce the world's population by 95%. But we're barely acknowledging these issues, much less debating them.

The spirit we wish to inspire was expressed a few years ago by a Latin American graduate student. Seeing one of us holding a copy of Aijaz Ahmad's In Theory, he exclaimed with all seriousness: "That book is like having an intellectual grenade in your hand. Hasta la Victoria." In many other countries, activists' tiny apartments are stacked with the well-thumbed works of Bakunin, Marx and Fanon. We'd like to see that kind of engagement here. And judging at least from the European experience, it would pay off even in activistism's own pragmatic terms: protests in major European cities routinely dwarf our own, and activists there have far more influence on mainstream discourse and even government policy. In the long run, movements that can't think can't really do too much either.
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by Christian Parenti, et al
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by interesting
There isnt much to agree with or disagree with in this piece since it doesnt seem to be proposing anything concrete. The lack of intellectualism on the left that one hears Marxists longing for isn't quite as simple as this article makes it out to be. Younger activists (and more so for nonactivists) are much more cynical than previous generations. Reformism and its tendency to take radical energy and slowly move it to the right has been something most young activists have grown up with (just look at fomer radicals who backed Newsom in the last election). Looking back at the NAB protest I'm struck by how successful it really was. Of course it didnt change government policy overnight (did anyone expect that?), but it started raising awareness about media concentration and the questions yelled from the streets have slowly worked their way into mainstream culture.

The recent focus on action (with almost no theory) in the Iraq war protests has obvious roots. With blatant lies and easy villans like Tony Blair and George Bush one doesnt need to spend much time theorizing about why one should oppose the war. With an American public brainwashed by the increasingly monolithic corporate media into thinking Iraq had something to do with 9/11 one doesnt need much theory to see why the public went along with the war until it was too late. Did millions in the street make any difference in terms of US policy? Probably not yet. But the size of the protests combined with Bush and Blair's new found attempt to blame the war on lack of proper intelligence will hopefully work its way into popular culture and make similar wars harder in the future. The effects are already visible in the response to the Hutton report. The whitewash was pulled to perfection but the public didnt accept it. Why? I think much of the reason goes back to the protests last year. Protests have a way of getting news and information to the general public that one doesnt find in lefty publications, websites, or on campus discussions. The newspapers and leftwing magazines can call all the attention they want to the problems with a Blair or Bush, but in the case of Blair it would only take a few large protests properly timed to force him out of office.

One can theorize all one wants about classism and bridging cultural divides or one can actually go out and talk to people and find that all ideologies are simplifications of reality. Protests and "Action" are a way to get "activists" out into the world and hopefully get them to interact with people with different views from their own.
by maybe
Perhaps the current rejection of theory is itself the result of an unwritten theory that people are starting to sign on to. A Stalin will always trump a Chomsky. A left but reformist political party will always be pulled by forces of survival to go for the median voter and result will be a Blair or a Clinton. Intelligent intellectuals will never change the world since its not in their self interest. Self interest doesnt operate on a concious level. Blair, Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld really do believe they are doing the right thing (and some of Blair's supporters actually care about human rights and had their ideology turned against them). In the long run wars are not stopped by voting they are stopped by making the public willing to stand up for its rights. And part of getting the public to stand up for its rights is "protest culture". In other countries a government policy that effects working people will result in work stoppages sympathy protests, trucks blocking intersections etc.. and the government will back down. Workplace actions and community organizing are an extension of nontheoretical protests culture in that most people have real demands and dont need theory to tell them they need to act when their schools are closed down, the healthcare is cut by their employer or a toxic waste dump opens up down the street and poisons their children.
by Karl Marx
I told Bakunin this would happen!
by the burningman
This is the best short critique I've read of the activisty scene in quite a long while.

I'd add another idea: Among the more consciously radical forces a kind of ideological identity politics has caught on. Anarchists are most note-worthy for this, but others such as sectarian marxists are guilty as well.

What is this? When people identify by an ideological affiliation as if that says anything about what you are doing. Many default anarchists are as uninterested in the implications of the plain fact that we will live with some form of state for generations to come as the sectarian marxists dismiss their total disengagement from everyday people.

We march for ourselves.

I don't think it has to be like this and, unlike some of the comments above, I think the Featherstone et. al. essay does offer concrete solutions. We need to figure out how to bring the movement to everyday life. We need to seriously build institutions that exist between mobilizations. We need to understand that demonstrations are more propagandistic than formally effective.

I hear these discussions alot. Maybe it's because I'm at that age. But all kinds of activists understand that placard waving and locking down will not the revolution make.Say what we will about the old old left - they built unions, political education schools, artists collectives with organic connections to social movements and made the revolutions we have yet to transcend.

Thanks for writing this.
by tkat
There are so many things about current activist culture that need to be looked at, it is mind bending. Most of the points in this essay are things that my friends and I have discussed, but without alot of great ideas as how to move things forward.
I recomend reading this piece on giving up activism. It was writen after the hugely successful direct action, reclaim the streets london action of j18.
http://www.eco-action.org/dod/no9/activism.htm
It brings up some more good talking points, all be it from a british perspective. "It seems we have very little idea of what it might actually require to bring down capitalism. As if all it needed was some sort of critical mass of activists occupying offices to be reached and then we'd have a revolution..."

I am very concerned that people are not doing their reading these days, even alot of anarchists shy away from the harder texts. I am concerned that people go through their activist phase and then get burned out, and then just sort of stop growing in action and theory.



by someone with vision
Occupying offices, offices isn’t enough. We need to occupy every single workplace, every single military base and every single mansion, and defend them by any means necessary. We need to do it simultaneously, all over the globe. This was never possible before because we lacked the means to coordinate it. Marx was wrong. The real power is not control of the means of production. It’s control of the means of communication. The capitalists have made two fatal errors. Not only did they succumb to greed and start selling us cheap computers, they also sell us cheap access to the internet. So now, for the first time in history, it is possible to organize at a grassroots level on a global scale. Simultaneous mass actions across the planet are finally possible. We proved that last year, when thirteen million people demonstrated at once, despite the oceans between them. It didn’t stop the invasion, but it did prove the concept.Now, we need to stop organizing useless demonstrations, and start organizing revolution. Globalize the intifada. Start today.
by where are we headed?
Its good to try to figure out how our actions can be more productive, but the movement towards certain kinds of self-criticism can be destructive.

Movement off the streets and into other forms of organizing can lead to less action overall if done incorrectly. Lifestylism often is a result of people who no longer take part in radical actions but still believe in the theory; while protests are often accused of preaching to the choir issolated discussions of theory and homogenous groups trying to live a more pure lifestyle can often be much more insular. Public protests can bring in new people who can show up because of the issues involved and don't need to be immediate friends of anyone at the protest to feel welcome. New activists are drawn in by the visibility of the protests and don't have to join any specific sectarian group to feel involved. Other more private forms of activism often feel more alienating to newcommers and when public protests fade a whole generation of activists can be lost (since protests can be one of the places that people first get involved with radical politics before they develop a theory of their own).

At the same time, criticizing any action that is not uber-radical and always pointing out that this or that action cannot lead to a revolution is a sure way to cause burnout. Not everyone can afford to get arrested or even risk arrest. And what exactly is revolutionary? Noting that the direct goals of protests are rarely met in the short term can cause one to only support direct action, sabotage etc.. but all of those actions look just as unlikely to spark a revolution in the immediate future. Its easy for support for more radical action to quickly turn into a call to do nothing (why even bother?) because concrete results are very hard to achieve. Plus, a movement towards only radical action can kill a movement by drawing a wedge between the population and activists. Assuming most people start out believing the lies told to them by the mainstream media, a movement that sees such people as the enemy and expects overnight conversion is doomed to failure; aside from activism that draws solely off of teenage rebellion, there have to be places for people to connect as their views become more radical (attacking reformism and less radical movements can create a chasm that issolates radicals from the population and prevents new people from becoming radicalized). There is a tendency for uberradicals to chose a segment of the population ("the working class", "African Americans", "people of color" ... ) and assume that slow conversion of beliefs is not needed since this segment of the population is already radicalized, but one only has to go into such communities and talk to nonactivists to see that while views vary across populations there isnt ANY sizable segment of the American population where this is the case (people may question the system and desire change but popular culture and cynicism make radical action even harder to organize in oppressed communities) .
by more thoughts
"The Movement is also undergoing a fascinating rhetorical shift, as activists reject terms like "antiglobalization," which emphasized - not very lucidly - what they're against, in favor of slogans like "Another World is Possible" which dare to evoke the possibility of radically different economic arrangements. What would that other world look like?
Activists must engage that question"

I think this was the flaw of past Communist, Anarchist and Utopian movements. Its easy to try to come up with a perfect world one would like to live in but how does one get from here to there? And how do you get people to agree on such a future world? (should everyone be vegan? Should small businesses be allowed? if there isnt a government what form of social organization will step in if there are cases of domestic abuse?)

We all can agree on things we want in the short-term, but when the "movement" loses its focus and starts asking what it wants in the long-term, one is bound to end up with sectarian splits and a loss of momentum.

Why does the radical to moderate left agree on?
-Opposition to the current war in Iraq and Afghanistan
-Opposition to US military support to governments around the world (from Israel to Colombia)
-Opposition to the death penalty
-Opposition to racism, racial profiling, and attacks gays, women, minorities and immigrants
-Support for better wages for low paid workers (opposition to businesses that crack down on labor organizing)
-Opposition to multinationals taking control over public resources (water, electricity etc..)
-Support for cleaner forms of energy
-Opposition to media consolidation
-Access by everyone to quality healthcare
etc...

If we all unite to fight for these things perhaps we can actually make the world better and even more can be achived as gains are made. But, if we sit back and focus on what we want beyond immediate gains we will find there is little agreement and sectarian squabbles will prevent even these short-term gains from being achieved. Plus there is an element of vanguardism in most theoretical revolutionary discussion. Debating what will happen after a revolution among a small group of intellectuals is about as nonsensical and paternalistic as neoconservatives debating whether Iraq will look more like Britain or the US after a government is imposed (neither Vanguardists nor Capitalist warmongers can impose a future on a people who for the most part will always oppose any change that involves insecurity and destruction).
by Giuseppe Verdi
Whoever wrote the lines, " Movement off the streets and into other forms of organizing can lead to less action overall if done incorrectly. " and "criticizing any action that is not uber-radical ... cannot lead to a revolution is a sure way to cause burnout" has done an excellent job of illustrating the point of the authors of this article. There's little evidence that the person who made these comments ever actually read the article.

The authors explicitly say, "Our point is not that there should be less activism. The left is nothing without visible, disruptive displays of power. We applaud activism and engage in it ourselves." They also praise Students Against Sweatshops for their pragmatic and effective ability to bring together diverse ideological views on the progressive spectrum, from vanilla liberal democrat to socialist to anarchist. The ONLY thing they criticize is American anti-intellectualism, which they claim hampers the ability of activists in this country to act intelligently, and to direct their actions with a mind towards a coherent understanding of the challenges they face, whatever the particulars of their ideology. This is a truly profound problem. (Sloppy reading and inability to digest and respond intelligently to criticisms are symptoms of this problem.)

In my experience, people who can be credibly accused of "life-stylism," which I take to mean cultivating radical chic fashions, like going to Rage concerts, rarely have any intellectual analysis of anything. Their lack of tangible activism is hardly attributable to "paralysis by analysis." On the contrary, people who have some kind of analysis and broader perspective are exactly those most likely to remain committed activists in the long term, and the least likely to exhibit superficial, narcissistic indulgence in radical chic fashions.
by Bill
I dunno, 'more thoughts'. I thought the essay argued pretty clearly against sitting back and against focusing on the future. " Our point is not that there should be less activism." It seems the authors and some of the people quoted are pretty keen to do and to think.

It is well-known that people who act without thinking tend to hurt themselves and others around them. People who theorize without ever testing their theories in action become really really weird.

Successful people think about how to get what they want, do what seems practical ... and ... check to see what results they are getting. Really successful people check what other people are doing and getting; and talk to each other, exchange information.

If you look at those squabbling sectarians, you will see, invariably, not people exchanging information, but people who neither do nor think exchanging edicts. There is no requirement to talk to those folks.

Nor do the authors call for a small group of intellectuals to indulge in vanguar
dism. They say it better than I can:

'' We're not calling for leadership by intellectuals. On the contrary, we challenge left activist culture to live up to its anti-hierarchical claims: activists should themselves become intellectuals. Why reproduce the larger society's division between mental and physical labor? The rousing applause for Noam Chomsky at the World Social Forum in Porto Allegre was hardly undeserved, but ideas don't belong on pedestals. They belong in the street, at work, in the home, at the bar and on the barricades. ''

Isn't that scary!

Ideas in the street, at work, in the home. That would imply people in the street, at work, in the home, able to think ideas. Maybe ask questions. Maybe hesitate to follows orders.

People might even tell those squabbling sectarians to shove off.

by more thoughts
"People might even tell those squabbling sectarians to shove off"

An essay telling people to think more doesnt really say much if thats all the essay really says (since people have a limited amount of time for any sort of activism I think it is indirectly discouraging action). Its sounds similar to a business consultant telling workers to "work smarter not harder". On the surface people may think there is a lot of meaning to such common sense statements, but since everyone already knows that one should "work smarter not harder" nothing was really gained by having a consultant come in and tell everyone that.

There is a problem with hero worship vis a vis people like Chomsky and I have problems with big globalization gatherings since they create a hierarchy in terms of who can afford to travel long distances and/or take off from work.

I see little use in a renewed focus on theory unless the theory relates to the process of societal change rather than longer term goals (and even then its so easy to use pretty words to come up with something that sounds good on paper but bears no relationship to how the world really works). The vanguardist nature of theory is not just in the desire for a small group of people to decide the future of everyone, it is also in the belief that a small group of activists have enough information to understand society better than people directly dealing with oppression. That doesnt mean one shouldnt struggle to understand how the word works but one should never assume that one book or ideology can truely explain all societal dynamics. If globalization protests can result in action that helps people great, but if they lead to ideologies by people who dont get that the structure of the global protests is every bit as hierarchical and elitist as what people are fighting against, why should one expect the theory to relate to real people. The results of global protests have been postive but the internal dynamics is not and that makes a focus on theory very worrying.
by Bill
The essay does not say, "People might even tell those squabbling sectarians to shove off". Those are my words, my idea.

The essay says a whole lot more than that.

The essay does not advocate hero-worship. It says, " We're not calling for leadership by intellectuals." It specifically contrasts applause for Chomsky with their call to move ideas into the street etc. "we challenge left activist culture to live up to its anti-hierarchical claims".

Why are you so determined to flagrantly misrepresent this essay?

You are kind of foolish, you know. The essay is on this page. People need only scroll up to see that it does not at all say what you claim and imply.
by RWF
My experience has tended to be the opposite of what is decried in this article.

I don't perceive an anti-intellectual attitude predominate in left protest. I do, however, see a ferment of different perspectives based upon the diversity of people and backgrounds.

In other words, I think that the cacophony of perspectives is being misinterpreted as a manifestation of anti-intellectualism. I find it peculiar that the authors praise the Students Against Sweatshops movement, when this movement, and other like them, have responded to this reality, and adopted strategies to be successful. As a result, Students Against Sweatshops, by the nature of its coalition building, is just as incapable of providing the kind of cogent, Marxist analysis of capitalism that the authors cite as an deficiency of anti-intellectual activism.

Of course, you will find people at mass marches who just emote their opposition to the war. Of course, there will be some endeavors that succeed, and some that fail.

I don't agree that the NAB action failed, from what little I know of it. From what I've observed, the organizers of this action participated in the mainstreaming of this issue, as groups like MoveON.org, and people like Bill Moyers, began to focus on it.

One could have criticized the global justice movement back in the early 1990s in a similar way, but they eventually, through persistence, and the unfortunate fortuity of subsequent events (the global econony and social system displayed even more intense exploitative conditions as predicted) attracted more and more public attention. Obviously, it's bad if an organization is nearly bankrupted by one of its actions, but this doesn't necessarily mean that the action failed.

As for the article's emphasis upon speakers at anti-war rallies, and what they said about the war, this is another kind of red-herring.

Naturally, they will say that the war is being driven by oil and the desire for imperial domination. It's not a bad thing to say when you have only two minutes to speak to a crowd of 20,000, 50,000 or 200,000 people, because it's short, simple and, best of all, true. Is it enough? Of course not.

But expecting sophisticated political analysis at a rally strikes me as unrealistic. There are, however, venues for it, and the analysis there is often fairly good: Pacifica radio, community radio, public access television, progressive publications, and, not to be forgotten, the Internet. The authors of the essay have been prominently featured in these forums.

I host a public affairs program on a campus radio station here in Northern California, and I've had the opportunity to interview people such as Tariq Ali, Chalmers Johnson and Leslie Cagan, among others. You may not agree with what they say, but you can't dismiss their views as simpleminded.

Others engage in similar media efforts. If anything, the extent of thoughtful analysis of the war, the global economy and the American role in it has improved significantly since 9/11. Just look at some of the books that have sold in the top 25 of the NYT best seller list over the last three years (Ali's "The Clash of Fundamentalisms", Johnson's "Blowback" and Michael Moore's book about Bush, for example).

Furthermore, beyond this, there is also the trap of elitist intellectualism. So people have fairly straightforward views that war is bad because killing is wrong, or that everyone is entitled to quality health care. They aren't interested in whether the war and the lack of quality health care is an inherent aspect of capitalism, and they spend any little, if any, time hearing people talk about it. They just want the war to stop and the workers to get health care, and this is how they will pragmatically address the situation. And, there is nothing necessarily illegitimate or ineffective about people who respond to issues in this way.

The war in Iraq is a classic example of the problem faced by the left. It's not that the antiwar/antioccupation movement is a theoretical muddle. Instead, the problem is a practical one. The public still believes that there is a way out for the US, without sacrificing the military gains (more bases) and economic gains (more oil) of the war, and the resistance has not inflicted sufficient pain to overcome this belief (although, there are some signs that we are now turning the corner). If Bush can enable the country to successfully economically benefit from the war, with a lesser level of violence, he will prevail, and he can't he won't.

There is an old Maoist saying, "Walk on two legs." Meaning that thought and action must be pragmatically unified to achieve a goal. For me, right now, direct action is one leg, and the other is vibrant, open, thoughtful discussion about current conditions, how they will evolve and how we should respond. Each, by itself, is inadequate, and, ultimately, I imagine that the authors and myself are in agreement on this point.

by Giuseppe Verdi
I say there IS a problem that the article has hit on. I meet people who subscribe to "anticapitalism" but can't coherently define what a capitalist is. I meet leftists who are so soured on "government" that they rail against it with rhetoric that is sometimes indistinguishable from rightwing populism, barely pausing to acknowledge that there are government social programs that actually help ordinary people that shouldn't be arbitrarily cut or allowed to wither away. I meet such people all the time.

I also hear complaints made about the frustrations of people who have tried to work with "mainstream" peace groups which refuse to even open a dialogue about the ways in which capitalism and imperialism lead to war. See this piece for a good account of such experiences in Portland:
http://portland.indymedia.org/en/2004/02/279979.shtml

I think these are all examples of a distaste for rational thought and reflection among left activists which mirrors American society at large.
by RWF
As for the link, I don't see the problem with the Portland PFFC as anti-intellectualism, although maybe we would just argue over terms. Instead, they didn't want to talk about "tactics" and theoretical issues because they wanted to remain in control, and the simplest way to do it was to squelch any discussion.

We've all had this miserable experience, but I don't agree with elevating it to a philosophical level. People like this can be encountered in any group, from any political background (for example, people from the 60s can provide some horror stories about Marxist groups of that time, stories about how domineering, classist, racist and misogynistic they could be.

As for these PFFC types, they were hiding their politics in the background, politics which are more than likely contrary to any kind of Marxist or anarchist analysis of imperialism and capitalism. In other words, a middle class attempt to decouple the obviously related themes of war, economic exploitation and warfare, with common middle class tactics used to get their way.

As for your comments about people taking a "left in theory, right in essence" approach about the government, not recognizing when some of its programs help people, with left and right populism converging, I agree. In my view, this attitude has a lot to do with why the left has difficulty appealing to poor people and people of color.

But I wouldn't call this anti-intellectualism. First, some anarchists believe that we would all be better off if we dismantled the government, or should at least aspire to it as a goal.

Second, it also reflects the dominant hypocritical libertarian values in our society. As long as I am getting mine, I should be free to do what I want, and the government should get out of the way. But people on the left have been struggling against this for a long time. Personally, I don't think the problem has been the failure of the left to address it, but, instead, the difficulty of successfully confronting it in such a difficult environment.

In regard to the article posted here, my primary disagreement is that I don't think that the situation is as unique as it suggests. The article just encourages people to do something that should always be done. I also think that it wrongly implies that people now are much more deficient in this regard than in the past.

For example, I know people from the 60s, and Vietnam war protest wasn't any different. People opposed it for a lot of different reasons. I agree with the authors' belief that there is need to place issues such as globalization, the war on Iraq and environmental destruction within an analytical framework. But such a need has always existed and always will.

Somehow, behind the article, I sense some romanticized notion of an utopian activist past, when all the workers could combine theory, practice and experience as if they were all Eugene V. Debs. It never existed. People will always relate to issues at varying levels of abstraction.

Instead of focusing upon the anti-intellectualism of the left, I think it would more productive to focus upon the concrete issues of how to reach people who should be supporting us. I read the authors as saying something similar, but contrary to what they say, it may require some practical decisions about when to emphasize theory, and when not to do so, such as, for example, waiting until something happens to create an opportunity for placing the event in a braoder context.


by Bill
The article does not imply a deficiency in the past.

It states a deficiency in the present.

That deficiency remains, whether the past "wasn't any different" as you say about the sixties, whether it was some "utopian activist past" which you are trying hard to sense in the essay above.

The deficiency exists. Now.

by Bill
Try a red-herring.

by Giuseppe Verdi
KXL is a fox station.

Can one of the sfbay editorial types please delete the stinking foxnews propaganda above? I don't think we need to help Rupert Murdoch out by promoting his stinking rightwing agenda here, and on a totally unrelated discussion to boot.
by Midwest anarchist
This is a pretty good article by Liza, Doug and Christian, which is encouraging since they are academics and writers, not everyday activists. I'm all for more intellectualism and self-education by activists--this can only help us avoid silly debates and sharpen our rhetorical skills when we talk to non-activists. At the same time, there have been some that have accused hard core radical activists of not thinking about strategy and theory. It may not look like it is happening, but there are some pretty interesting intllectual conversations happening off the radar. Some of us understand that there are things that shouldn't be discussed openly, because they would give the authorities to much information about what is really being organized out there.

Somebody above wrote:

>>The authors explicitly say, "Our point is not that there should be less activism. The left is nothing without visible, disruptive displays of power. We applaud activism and engage in it ourselves." They also praise Students Against Sweatshops for their pragmatic and effective ability to bring together diverse ideological views on the progressive spectrum, from vanilla liberal democrat to socialist to anarchist. The ONLY thing they criticize is American anti-intellectualism, which they claim hampers the ability of activists in this country to act intelligently, and to direct their actions with a mind towards a coherent understanding of the challenges they face, whatever the particulars of their ideology. This is a truly profound problem. (Sloppy reading and inability to digest and respond intelligently to criticisms are symptoms of this problem.)

Thanks for pointing this out. We all need to do a better job of reading and listening.

>>In my experience, people who can be credibly accused of "life-stylism," which I take to mean cultivating radical chic fashions, like going to Rage concerts, rarely have any intellectual analysis of anything. Their lack of tangible activism is hardly attributable to "paralysis by analysis." On the contrary, people who have some kind of analysis and broader perspective are exactly those most likely to remain committed activists in the long term, and the least likely to exhibit superficial, narcissistic indulgence in radical chic fashions.

Exactly. People shouldn't be all upset about people who are into the activist lifestyle and culture. There were lots of these people back int he 1960s and 70s, in fact, cultural hangers-on have always been part of activism. What worries me and others is the anti-intellectualism, ignorance, and intellectual laziness that afflicts some of the newer and younger hard core activists.
by Bill
Look at what people are taught in school and in tv.
Exactly how they think and act and argue here.

We live in a very authoritarian society. We drink authoritarian behaviours with our mothers' milk.

I have noticed that articles which impose 'facts' are generally left alone, maybe collect a few comments for a few days.

Articles which invite thought and discussion (other than insults or sarcasm), or which become discussions, attract trolls like flies swarming fresh road-kill.

Certainly, it is true that some of 'us' seem to need to impose our doctrines, and some of 'them' need to disrupt anything positive. However, I am also pretty sure that some people are really trying (with little or no skill-base) to participate.
by Louis Proyect (lnp3 [at] panix.com)
An article co-authored by Doug Henwood, his wife Liza Featherstone and Christian Parenti has been making the rounds on the Internet. It is now the subject of discussion on Indymedia, a website geared to anti-globalization activists, and Infoshop, an anarchist website run by the red-baiting Chuck Munson.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2004/02/1669669_comment.php#1669937

http://www.infoshop.org/inews/stories.php?story=04/02/08/4177015

It originally appeared in Radical Society, a small-circulation journal put out by CUNY professors. For people on Marxmail who are not familiar with US politics, a word or two of background. Henwood is the author of "Wall Street", the best-selling book ever published by Verso. Featherstone is a free-lance journalist who wrote red-baiting attacks on the ISO for the Nation Magazine in her capacity as "movement" expert. Parenti, the son of Michael Parenti, who has written a well-received book on the American prison-industrial system. More recently he written an article from Baghdad in the Nation claiming that Iraqis are anxious to give us all the oil they have in exchange for safe streets, jobs, running water and electricity. (Of course, somebody should tell Parenti that the Nigerians worked out the same deal, but have gotten nothing back so far.)

The article is titled "Action Will Be Taken: Left Anti-intellectualism and Its Discontents". It addresses what the authors call "activistism", which put simply is action minus theory. With what I know about the trajectory of these three celebrities, I had to rub my eyes when I read their description of what theory is lacking, namely Marxism:

"Activistism is also intimately related to the decline of Marxism, which at its best thrived on debates about the relations between theory and practice, part and whole. Unfortunately, much of this tradition has devolved into the alternately dreary and hilarious rants in sectarian papers. Marxism's decline (but not death: the three of us would happily claim the name) has led to wooly ideas about a nicer capitalism, and an indifference to how the system works as a whole. This blinkering is especially virulent in the U.S. where a petit-bourgeois populism is the native radical strain, and anti-intellectualism is almost hard-wired into the culture. And because activistism emphasizes practicality, achievability, and implementation over all else, a theory dedicated to understanding deep structures with an eye towards changing them necessarily gets shunted aside.

"Marxism's decline isn't just an intellectual concern - it too has practical effects. If you lack any serious understanding of how capitalism works, then it's easy to delude yourself into thinking that moral appeals to the consciences of CEOs and finance ministers will have some effect. You might think that central banks' habit of provoking recessions when the unemployment rate gets too low is a policy based on a mere misunderstanding. You might think that structural adjustment and imperial war are just bad lifestyle choices."

To start with, it is somewhat surprising to see them speak so derisively about dreary sectarian newspapers since Henwood has stated publicly that he is a fan of the Spartacist League newspaper, which he describes as well-written. I guess that beauty is in the eye of the beholder.

It also puzzles me to find them disparaging "wooly ideas about a nicer capitalism", since Henwood has backed a vote for John Kerry because it would create "a marginally better policy and a better discursive and organizing environment." Talk about diminished expectations. I haven't seen such bowing and scraping since 1968, when the CPUSA urged a vote for Hubert Humphrey.

I also got a big chuckle out of their swipe at philanthropies:

"Unreflective pragmatism is also encouraged by much of the left's dependency on foundations. Philanthropy's role in structuring activism is rarely discussed, because almost everyone wants a grant (including us). But it should be. Foundations like focused entities that undertake specific politely meliorative schemes. They don't want anyone to look too closely at the system that's given them buckets of money that less fortunate people are forced to bay for."

This objection apparently did not persuade Christian Parenti from turning down an offer as a fellow at George Soros's Open Society.

Turning to the question at hand, to what extent does the US left suffer from a kind of mindless activism? To be sure, there is a powerful legacy of pragmatism in this country, as much of an official philosophy as Confucianism was in China. This means that activists veer between street militancy one year and parliamentary cretinism during a presidential election, or a combination of both as was evidenced in the 1968 Chicago protests when smashing windows on behalf of a "peace candidate" epitomized the limitations of the American left.

Ultimately, I think that the problem is not just an absence of theory, but a failure to think politically. Since the rise of the anti-globalization movement, you have seen a renewed interest in anarchism and its second cousin "autonomism", a nominally Marxist theory/movement launched by the obscurantist Italian political science professor Toni Negri who advocated physical attacks on CP members in the 1970s. Both of these movements have little interest in *politics*, which they equate with reformism.

The anti-globalization movement posited itself as an "anti-capitalist" movement, which was all to the good. Unfortunately, it failed to understand that this kind of "maximalism" is of little use except for periodic protests at meetings of some international trade body when physical militancy in support of demands that the capitalist system be terminated was put on display. Meanwhile, these trade bodies continue on their merry way while making few concessions to the mass movement. It is interesting that the most serious challenges to neoliberalism have come from governments of the left in Latin America that are held in such disdain by anarchists and autonomists. Ultimately the only way that the IMF can be forced to retreat is when it is confronted by a *state* with armed bodies to back it up rather than by symbolically tearing down a chain-link fence.

Finally, there is not simply a need to study Karl Marx, who the authors note is found on the bookshelves of European activists. There is also a need to *apply* his theories in a creative manner. This means engagement with the body of Marxist literature that lives through the ages, including those works written by V. Lenin, the arch-demon of the "acceptable" left. Lenin's writings were consumed with the question of what to do *next*. Unless the radical movement in the USA begins to think in such terms, the task of ridding the world of capitalism will remain a fantasy at best.
by cp
ChuckO is cool; even cooler since he became a metrosexual. From my armchair, I find it amusing when you two bicker.

new topic: who does everyone prefer more - the writings of Michael Parenti or Christian Parenti.

I just got an advance reader copy of The Soft Cage by Christian, and I thought it was great. He traces the many elements of surveillance in modern society, such as computerized databases that can track your car at toll plazas like the Bay Bridge and the New Jersey Turnpike, back to the days of slave passes and the development of modern prisons. It goes into a lot of interesting history that you might have never heard about.
there's plenty of dialogue and analysis going out there

it's just apparently not the kind valued by the authors

the problem is not one of "anti-intellectualism", instead, it is one of unifying theory, practice and experience, and it is the last that is frequently ignored

and, it is ignored for a reason that is difficult to accept: if you are going to speak for the victims of the global system, it can sometimes be uncomfortable to confront situations where the victims say that they don't see things exactly the way that you do

in other words, the intellectual commitment to the marriage with theory often makes it hard to evaluate it in terms of the experience by the people that you claim to support

in the US, this is an especially difficult problem: the middle and lower middle classes still, despite the domestic neoliberal policies of the last 30 years, benefit from the exploitation of everyone else around the world, so it is hard to organize them, unless they have personally suffered, like some people of color, steel and textile workers

I spent a couple of weeks in Kingman, AZ recently, because of a family emergency, and the authors have little to say, beyond their paradoxical support for the coalition building of Students Against Sweatshops (paradoxical, because the broad based approach of SAS cuts against the authors' emphasis upon the need for intellectual theory), that anyone there could understand.

Now, Kingman is a very conservative place, but it is also poor, with the people there facing the same struggles that people around the world face. They are losing control over their community to large, faraway corporations, while being forced to subsist upon low paying service sector jobs.

People in Kingman don't want to study theory, and they don't want to be workers that become intellectuals (the converse of the authors' exhortation that intellectuals become workers). They do, however, want to participate in a social system that enables them to enjoy their lives. And some people there, as people do elsewhere, will respond to a vision that will enable them to do so. In other words, they don't want to become worker/intellectuals, they want to become empowered, which is something different. And the right perversely gratifies this, by playing their feelings of racial and nation superiority, as manifested by the war in Iraq, to provide a saccharine substitute.

along these lines, the global justice deserves praise for its willingness to get away from the Eurocentric intellectual model (and Marxism and anarchism are inescapably Eurocentric), and engage people from different cultures around the world, and such engagement will fail it is only for the limited purpose of subsuming them within Eurocentric social models, a fact that the global justice movement understands (and causes subconscious unease for the authors?)

there are no easy answers here, but to reduce the problem down to "anti-intellectualism" among activists evades the real issues, after all, anyone can claim that the movement lacks any intelligent basis by citing the straw person with an emotive, street fighting personality, incapable of meeting the intellectual standards of the authors, at any protest or action, after all the mainstream media has pulled this scam for years

some here have dismissed my descriptions of the past, but seem to misunderstand my purpose, which is to assert that past social movements historically were never based upon idealized notions of the activist as a "worker intellectual", as the authors describe here, but were instead based upon the ability of people to accurately perceive their class interest, and that, most often, was understood in the practical terms, such as, all of us are dying in the coal mine because the owners are cruel, insensitive greedy bastards, and we can't escape because we have nowhere to live if we leave the company town

now, eventually, in many instances, this will lead down the road towards an anti-capitalist view, if the social system is so unresponsive as to refuse to ameliorate the living conditions of their opponents (as appears to be happening now), but personal experience leads to theory, not vice versa, and the authors don't seem to acknowledge it

Chinese Communist Party doctrine about the "mass line" is apposite here. The party has a monopoly on power (with all the problems that it entails), but, unlike European CPs, it much more strongly emphasized the need to listen to workers and peasants when developing and implementing policy, especially economic policy at the local level, and it frequently altered policies, when it did not involve a challenge to the party's leadership. Sometimes, party cadres at the provincial and community levels found ways to avoid doing crazy things advocated by the center, because of this doctrine.

Now, I am not a Chinese Communist or a Maoist, but it is worth pondering whether the CCP adopted this approach as an Asian, Sinified way of altering a Eurocentric political philosophy, Marxism, as developed by Lenin and Stalin, that would have otherwise been too inflexible, and rejected by the populace (as Stalinist economic planning was rejected by the peasantry).

Accordingly, the problem should not be defined in elitist, Western terms such "anti-intellectualism", but instead in terms of the inability of the left to flexibly achieve its goal of creating a much more just society by incorporating the experiences of people that it purports to represent. The fact that they may not see the world in a way consistent with my views, or the views of Henwood, Parenti and Featherstone, cannot be allowed to become an impediment.

by Chris Toto

It amuses me to read about libertarians bashing socialists, leftists and complaining of betrayal of themselves by the Rightist Cato, or complaining that the Right is betraying their principles. It reminds me of Spencer's betrayal between his 1851 and his 1891 editions of Social Statics.

The first libertarians were the first socialists: they were for free social power as opposed to statist politician power and the associated cronyocracies.

Conservatism at its base is for select privilege at the expense of others. They are for their property rights including privileges, forget about others. Genuine libertarianism is to be found in a very special place and condition, the nexus overlap of both Equality and Liberty, a place where all liberties are rights, not licensed privileges to rend ones neighbors of their equal liberty. Not all kinds of Equality nor all kinds of Liberty: only a very special kind of Equal Liberty that would hold for everyone. (Remember your set field theory.) True libertarianism balances the property rights of the propertied with the opportunity rights of the property-less.

Modern libertarians should rediscover Benjamin Tucker's translation of LeSigne's description of two very different kinds of socialism, the individualist, freedom-loving libertarian vs the statist, political power–loving Marxian version. Tucker translated it about 1911, while LeSigne's column was written about 1870 in France. (See the lower part of the page at "State Socialism and Anarchism: How far they agree, and wherein they differ.") -- http://flag.blackened.net/daver/anarchism/tucker/tucker2.html

Early libertarian socialists were confused in their beliefs that anarchy was possible, but they were indeed libertarian, and the first ones, as the very word libertarian hales from the French 19th century word libertaire. Anarchy is impossible because people have no other choice but to choose between the predator-victim option or equally free trade relations with their neighbors. Either way, some rule and set of rulers always applies.

The pro-state socialists have left a relative vacuum in the Democratic Party by their exodus over to the Greens. Many Borsodi Jeffersonian Greens are being overwhelmed there and looking elsewhere. Many LPer veterans are fed up with Conservatives overwhelming the LP and Cato. We're tired of shoveling sand against the tide just to get on the ballot. Some of us are looking to push the DP toward being more Jeffersonian again. ... http://www.progress.org/dfc/
by Bill
People who refuse
to become "intellectual" enough
to know which end of a gun is which,
will invariably be persuaded
to stand in front of the muzzle
by someone "intellectual" enough
to employ a few simple sophistries.

The example of CP China directly contradicts the example of Kingman AZ. It is a tribute to the US mis-education system that both could be written in the same comment attempting to support the same argument.
by Bill
Yeah, I noticed the sly suggestion,
that any thinking outside a box of the authors' choosing
is not valid thought.

I also noticed that many of the "rebuttals",
here and at imc Portland,
consisted of demands that the ill-washed
shut-up and memorize quotations
from the rebutter's favourite scripture.

* shrug *

Polemics published on this continent
typically consist of ninety-five percent
unquestionable truth,
with one or two half-truths,
or ingenuous lies,
slipped in to bias the conclusion.

And debate tends to be a shower of ad hominem slanders,
coupled with a search for the one statement
which is dubious, or twistable,
and which is then claimed to refute all other statements,
guilty by association.

Parenti's heresy, or orthodoxy, is irrelevant
to most of the essay's points,
including the central assertion,
that the "activist left" must learn to think clearly,
or be condemned to thinking the way it has been taught
by its enemies.

A dispassionate perusal of this thread
is compelling proof.

I couldn't agree more with the initial article on "activistism". To paraphase Alvin Toffler, "If you don't have a theory and strategy, then you're part of someone else's theory and strategy." A group of us cyberMarxists have been doing serious theoretical work and strategic thinking relevant to today's activism for some time now. We don't have all the answers and aren't interested in old dogmas, but we believe we have a few answers and a few more 'working hypotheses'.Feel free to check us out and join in.

http://www.cyrev.net

Carl Davidson, Chicago
by Jane
Hi all,
I am both happy with and a tiny bit concerned about this article, and I think that the question of marxism, which is sort of buried in the middle, is very key. I may well say a lot of foolish stuff here, because I know marxism mostly from your basic high-theory neo-neo chi-chi marxist Negri-type writers, and not nearly as much of them as I should have.
Concerns:
The article seems to imply that non-marxists have no economic analysis beyond the very crude. I'm also a little concerned about the problem of language. Do people "not know what a capitalist is" or do they simply not know the marxist vocabulary? As someone who is making her first, fumbling acquaintance with the marxist classics, I often feel that I have encountered many of the concepts because they are diffused through other left writing--but I'm not always at my smartest when talking with people who refer casually and in verbal shorthand to the remoter concepts of the Grundrisse. (Like for heaven's sake, I realize that it is important to distinguish among marxists, neo-marxists, marxist-leninists, and marxians, but cut me a break, okay? It's possible to listen to my main point first before letting me know that I have used "marxist" when it is really better to say "marxian".) It seems like it is very easy to hear only what is said in your language of choice.

Which raises another question--it has always seemed to me that the anarchist distaste for certain types of theoretical wrangling and (marxist) economic analysis are directly linked to the presence of badly-written, dishonest sectarian papers and people's bad experience with the weirdly authoritarian posturings of certain types of marxist groups. Obviously, refusing to have an economic analysis because the local maoists get up your nose is rather silly, but it is a factor. What, as they say, is to be done about that?

Also, the kids today (you know, those kids) aren't exactly enthusiastic about the USSR and the PRC, and in my experience it does not suffice merely to remark that the really existing nominally-communist countries do not themselves prove that there's nothing useful in marxism. It would be nice (as Negri does in places) to talk clearly and precisely about a contemporary marxist analysis of erstwhile really-existing marxism, and to talk about this in ways and places that make sense to people who are not already familiar with the topic.

On another topic, it seems important to historically situate this lack of analysis, rather than assume that it's a result merely of personal decisions, native tendencies, and the wicked mass media. These are just some (probably rather shallow) things that occur to me: One, the active propaganda campaign against left stuff (which was glossed as marxism) waged during the 80s by various government bodies. When I was in 5th grade, for example, the school had someone come in and tell the "gifted" students all about the evils of Russia and communism. The hay that was made when the Cold War ended--if those were your politically formative mid-teenage years, you probably semi-consciously regard economic analysis critical of capitalism as totally disproved. Hippie-to-yuppie plus McCarthy--there's a lot of discontinuity on the American left, big generation gaps that guarantee that a lot of people have to rediscover the basics and rediscover them late. Lack of reading skills--while many activist types aren't really dumb, even a good reader can be baffled by the hard stuff, and neither our education system nor the omnipresence of television, radio, and the computer have built a nation of quick, sophisticated readers. You can easily break your head on Frederic Jameson and give up--heck, as a financial illiterate, I found Wall Street a bit of a challenge in places, and it is written extremely lucidly. Now, none of this _justifies_ a lack of analysis, but it might be as well to take these things into account when we try to remedy the situation.



And then there's the question of just what we mean by a broad theoretical framework. At what level are we operating? At the "Show Me The Money" level? At the New Left Review Level? At the "I have a few things to teach Deleuze and Guattari" level? This is not the same as saying that everyone must have the same frame of reference--it's more a question for people who feel that activists in general don't think about stuff enough. What do we mean by enough? Does a sustained readership of the Nation suffice?

And what are some ways that more reading and thinking can be brought about? As my university years fade into the mist of my personal past, I just don't have the time that I used to have. Also, although there's stuff that's easy and fun to read, there's also stuff that is much more rewarding when read with others. And yet, I have never seen a reading group (locally) that lasted more than a session or two--to be cynical, it seemed like once everyone (including me) had established by quoting things that they were Very Great Intellectuals, we were not as interested in sustaining the discussion for its own sake. What are some ways to foster reading and analysis?

The university thing is also sort of a problem in a different way. People who are routinely taking grad seminars in Spinoza and people who are routinely reading Clamor don't always seem to me to communicate really well. (Not that those are mutually exclusive categories, but there certainly are plenty of people who do one and not the other) How do professors, grad students and all that crew communicate in a lucid and non-patronizing way with non-university people? How do non-university people build their reading experience and not raise their hackles when somebody says "multitude"? How can people learn to find things interesting when they are articulated in an unaccustomed vocabulary?

Also, on an entirely separate note--it would be as well for many of us to remove the moral content from our discourse about activism. I always tend to feel that I go to protests and such kind of thing because I Am A Good Person. To which one can only reply, big deal--it doesn't matter if we are all wonderful human beings with delightful values and warm laughs if what we do is useless or actively counterproductive. (Sadly, I also tend to feel that I read Hard Books because I am a good person, which means I don't always get as much out of things as I might)

So please forgive errors or stupidities--I am not myself very theorized, but I mean well.
by Appreciative
Geez, Jane, that's the most intelligent response anyone's written on this thread! Dont' knock yourself! And consider joining Henwood's listserv, which you can access at:

http://www.leftbusinessobserver.com/lbo-talk.html
by Bill
I came back to report that I looked at Carl's CyRev site. And I see Jane blowing on the embers here.

My harshest criticism of CyRev -- and these all fit together -- there is no poetry. None. There is an Art Gallery, a small collection of some deeply alienated paintings. And -- I suppose I might not have bothered to report, if I had not read a few articles and grown disturbed -- the articles don't talk about people. They talk about numbers. They talk about cattle -- "the masses' is a synonym for 'herd'.

No human words. No human art. Ranchers' political theories.

That is no call to go painting horns and hooves on Carl's photo. His little collective is struggling hard to find another perspective. However, they are isolated, probably shunned. As so many of us are.


Yeah, Parenti et al are dismissive of heathens. When you find yourself among people who regularly crucify each other over filioque clauses and such, you know you have fallen among the priests. My choice is to move on and find somebody talking politics. Nothing wrong with Marx, but some Marxists ... Hear, oh Masses, the Gospel of St. Karl (peace be upon him) ... gotta be working for the other side.

We can't really blame anarchist illiteracy on St. Mao. On this continent, where people learn misinformation and authoritarian social skills in an efficient universal education sytem, their debating skills from Seinfeld, their personal relationships from beer-commercials and high-tech slaughter films, all but an insignificant few are illiterate long before they ever hear of Mao.

You make a lot of astute observations, Jane. I don't hear you asking, why? Maybe I missed it. Maybe you have been taught it is not safe to ask -- especially not, why? Maybe, I think, some of your observations would explain each other.

There is nothing wrong with being a Good Person. It makes some people envious. But that is their problem. As long as they don't have guns, or anything more lethal than cynical sarcasm, be yourself.


My friend, Migratory Bird, posted this at imc Portland :

Our deepest fear is not that we are inadequate.
Our deepest fear is that we are powerful beyond measure.
It is our light, not our darkness that most frightens us.
We ask ourselves who am I to be brilliant, gorgeous, talented and fabulous?

Actually who are you not to be?
You are a child of God.
Your playing small does not save the World.
There is nothing enlightened about shrinking so that other people won't feel insecure around you.
We were born to make manifest the glory of god that is within us.
It is not just in some of us
It is in Everyone.
As we let our light shine we unconsciously give to the people around us permission to do the same.
As we are liberated from our own fear our presence automatically liberates others.

by Nelson Mandela

I disagree with Mandela in one important respect : It is not not 'we' who fear that we are powerful beyond measure. It is those stunted souls who think they must keep us powerless, lest we act as they would.

by Bill
Thank you, all who have participated, and may yet participate, in this thread. You, too, whom I have clawed and ridiculed.

You, everyone, are helping me think about these issues.

Academic economists base complicated mathematical models on false assumptions. The self interest of most executives at major companies is more closely tied to the interests of other executives at similar companies than it is to the maximization of profit (and market forces don’t neutralize this effect since most business deals are based on personal connections that relate such arbitrary factors as the frat a CEO went to and the bars they like to hang out at). Plus, most people's consumption patterns are impossible to describe with a simple maximization of utility model since human psychology isn’t that simple. Its not just that some consumption decisions appear irrational, its that most spending by most people relates to social factors (impressing friends, fitting into a community) that relate to other people’s consumption patterns.

Of course leftwing economists and political scientists do attempt to deal with the more complex factors of human psychology, but they do a pretty poor job; guessing at the psychology of people who shop at Walmart or run companies is pretty hard when your average intellectual rarely interacts with either group.

Theory is great, it makes one feel superior to the rest of the world. Knowledge of certain theories allows one to fit into various social groups better. The inaccessibility of most works of theory to people who have not become acquainted with certain styles of writing and certain unwritten assumptions shouldn’t be a surprise. As an 18th century economist stated about learning Greek and Latin: “It is currently expected that a certain number of years shall have been spent in acquiring this substantially useless information, and its absence creates a presumption of hasty and precarious learning, as well as of a vulgar practicality that is equally obnoxious to the conventional standards of sound scholarship and intellectual force. “ (http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/VEBLEN/chap14.html) Veblen is every bit as bad as left or right wing economists but he is one of the few academic writers who openly used flowery hard to read language because he knew Universities wouldn’t pay him to state his rather simple ideas in a straight forward fashion (since anyone could do that)
"Knowledge for its own sake, the exercise of the faculty of comprehensive without ulterior purpose, should, it might be expected, be sought by men whom no urgent material interest diverts from such a quest. The sheltered industrial position of the leisure class should give free play to the cognitive interest in members of this class, and we should consequently have, as many writers confidently find that we do have, a very large proportion of scholars, scientists, savants derived from this class and deriving their incentive to scientific investigation and speculation from the discipline of a life of leisure."
http://xroads.virginia.edu/~HYPER/VEBLEN/veb_toc.html

Studying the world in order to change it makes sense. But theory usually means reading the books of other theorists and isolating one’s self from knowledge that would be crucial if one really wanted to change the world. A temp office worker who has worked for a few years in the offices of CEOs has a much better grasp on how the world works than someone who has isolated themselves in a library for years reading books on how people assume the world works. But most temp workers cant survive by writing down their views of the world and selling it to middle class leftists since middle class leftists are only willing to pay money to people from their own class (the dynamics behind this is related to social group dynamics and ideas of respectability but at root it’s a form of class bias) With nearly 100% literacy the prevalence of books like “Nickel and Dimed” speaks to the strange dynamics where the wealthy have an easier time making money selling books about the poor than would a poor person writing more accurately about their own life (not that Ehrenreich was wrong in her conclusions but making the wealthy feel bad for the poor has a long history of being an ineffective route to social change).
by curious
Could someone who is into Marxist theory explain to me why its relevent to the working class. Marx pretty much tells people they are being ripped off by their bosses (everyone already knows that...) and that workers would get paid more if they owned their own means of production ( everyone pretty much knows that too but in most cases there is too much overhead and there is all that additional work of having to do one's own taxes etc...) He tried to come up with a theory of history describing why things will change but unless one sees Marxism as a religion its hard to see how predictions about how everything will be better in the future really means anything to anyone.I guess Marx attempts to tell you why you should organize and overthrow the government, but not only is the goal too distant in a conservative country like the US but most people already hate their boss and wish they had more power and money so what exactly does one gain by having someone tell you what you already know.
by ×
The revolution is inevitable. Workers you have nothing to lose but your chains. So sit back, relax and wait for the mechanics of history to wind in your favour, soon the imperialist western "democracies" will be in ruins and all the petty capitalists with them............
by Jane again
It always seems to me that the uses of Marxism are several.
But first--there are a lot of basic marxist ideas which permeate a lot of left thinking. We have "always-already" read a little Marx, simply because you can't read even elementary left stuff without picking it up. But marxist theory is an evolving thing--there are things in Marx that events have proved wrong; there are things in Marx that contradict other things in Marx, and there are people who read Marx and drew on that reading to produce ideas about things not found in Marx. It is a great pity that some people have read Marx as a closed, self-coherent system which much be accepted as a totality, and a great pity that other people who have not read Marx think this is the only way to do so. Now, I am not a marxist, not even of the very neo-est variety, but marxist theory has been very useful to me for a number of reasons. There are some marxist writers (ranging from Doug Henwood on the extremely pragmatic, how-to end of the spectrum to Hardt on the chi-chi end, whose (I guess you could say) socio-economic analysis seems to explain a lot of stuff fairly well. Why do people buy options? Doug Henwood can tell you. What is the difference between the post-modern now and the modernist then? Is there a radical rupture? Hardt and Negri can say some very useful things, although since this is a much more complicated question there is a lot more room for doubt, disagreement, and interpretation. Above all, marxists tend to be systems thinkers, and while this can give you stultifying prose and a really nasty, competitive, macho discourse at times, it's also pretty helpful. Is there any reason why anarchists can't be systems thinkers? Not really, but in my experience many anarchists tend to level or flatten their thinking--all power is equally bad for the same reasons, and that is all you need to say about it. You don't, for example, need to waste time explaining why a certain type of bad government will probably lead to one thing, while another type of bad government will probably lead to another. Which sometimes seems to me to leave some anarchists stymied in the face of events. Additionally, marxists are often numbers wonks; anarchists may be bicycle wonks, vegan burrito wonks, or IWW folk song wonks, but they frequently can't tell you much about how rates of exchange effect foreign policy or how legislation changes the bottom line in the insurance business, thereby leading to more investment in the stock market, thereby helping to raise stock prices. (Weird, but evidence leads me to suspect that it is true) That's not useless information. It seems small and fiddly, but all those little pieces tell you a lot about opportunities for activism and prevent you from being blindsided by larger events. In fact, a lot of anarchists, in my experience, rely on analysis that is essentially done by marxists on marxist terms. There is no reason that anarchists can't do this type of thing--only they generally don't.

A related question--I don't know too many female marxists outside of the university, although I know a fairish number of male ones. And lord knows, I've had a vast number of experiences where the boys talk across me, then react with wonder when I remark that I too have read Important Book--whether it's professors or freelance radicals, there seems to be a set assumption that women don't really have much to contribute to theory. And all the meetings where I have gender-integrated the room! The mind reels, and, alas, it is far more often at marxist dominated events that these things happen. Why? My personal marxist pals are pretty good about gender, so there are certainly exceptions to the rule.


You realize here that I have essentially left out the end-game, "what kind of society are we looking for" stuff, mostly because I don't have any evolved opinions. I can pretty well say that your old-school marxists did not envision futures which attract me too much, but as I read Negri (alternately poetic and brain-numbing) I begin to think his ideas about social change are flexible and really exciting, and not all that different from certain varieties of anarchist. I could not tell you what a Negrian future would look like--I'm not even sure that Negri could. (Although maybe...I haven't read too much) I'm not as worried by the lack of an endgame as some people would be, because I tend to think that we are so far from massive social change that we will have time to fine-tune our plans before we get there. To me, there are enough commonalities between my basic everyday politics and the marxist stuff I read.

Again, pardon the betises. What I don't know would, as they say, fill a book. (Or several...)
by @ist
Dumb people let other people think for them. Really dumb people let dead people think for them.
by Bill
Smarter people learn from others' experiences.

Smartest people learn from others' thoughts, even dead people's thoughts.

by Ben D
Wow, I want to compliment ALMOST every one of you above.

I disagree with some of your political views, but I RESPECT your INTELLECT and your motives and ideas.

I used to post on sf.indymedia.org, which has been horribly overrun by racists and anti-semites who pretend to be peace activists - and that includes the editors, who are really disgusting people. There's almost no intelligent discussion there, just rabid loons who only quote extremists and yell "racist!" at anyone who disagrees with them, while the editors censor everyone who isn't as insanely radical (and dishonest) as they are.

by snuggles
As others have noted, anti-intellectualism is nothing new and neither is the unpopularity of politcal engagement. It's my opinion that the tendency of sharp witted people to deride and attack over differences that, to the less well informed, seem hopelessly arcane is a major factor.

I follow boards and lists, mostly lurking, and I'm amazed at how uncivil and cruel people can be. The tough love wears thin after a few reads. People I've met in tough bars are easier to get along with.

Also, politics and academics attract some really creepy people. A strong tendency amongst the celebrities to be dismissive of - even antagonistic towards - newbs can be tremendously damaging to any humane agenda. The right wing leaders knows this. They'll take anyone, warts and all, and never let them know how much contempt they have. They bond, if you will, and have a support network that guarantees emotional security.

Maybe the radical left is incapable of of this and maybe that's positive in some way. Who needs mindless, uncritical groupthink? Well, a lot of people do. Most of us aren't wired to bicker and pick. People stick with failing realtionships and groups long past the point of diminishing returns. The majority of people aren't very competitive, don't like feeling dragooned by those more clever and get turned off when they see it. It's perfectly natural for people to reject the whole because a small part of it is ugly. Hyperintellectualism is also boring.

So, as long the intellectual left goes on making people feel small, they'll get nowhere. Make humane politics exciting, sexy and pleasurable and half the fight is over. I suggest leaving off dissection of character flaws to the right wing. Navel gazing, humorless deconstructions never get you laid.
by Jane
(...I should probably find an actual list to discuss this stuff on rather than posting ad infinitum here...)
What I wonder about is _how_ to make activism pleasurable and so on...
There's a couple of distinctions I want to make:
First, you may have an organically fun event--carnival stuff, radical cheerleaders, arts, demonstrations with a sense of humor, etc. Also fun preparation like making posters or puppets. However, these are not always fun because they can be poorly planned (Lunch? We've brought vegan food, which as you can see is nothing but iceberg lettuce! People say that vegans are good cooks, but they didn't know US!) , unfriendly, rife with tensions, or even unsafe if the people who put them together didn't think things through.
Second, you can have things that are not in themselves fun--planning stuff, flyering, holding certain types of informative or unpleasantly confrontational events. These however can be fun (or at least have fun parts) if you like the people you're working with and the atmosphere is good.
Third, there's some stuff that's just not going to be fun and sometimes probably shouldn't be fun--kicking someone out of your collective for totally unacceptable behavior, calling and calling and calling when people are in jail, etc.

Sometimes I feel like it's an oversimplification to say that if only activism were pleasureable then everything would be much better. (Although it seems like we need to refine on this idea, not trash it--obviously making things un-fun doesn't work real well) First off, the things I get pleasure from are not always the same things other people get pleasure from--some like puppets, some do not; some like sitting in circles talking about body image with semi-strangers, while others would rather loose a thumb. Second, there is a tendancy to priviledge one's own definition of pleasure--usually this means street carnivals, Hakim Bey, and the ecstatic/poetic mode, at least in the circles in which I move--and then people assume that disliking puppets or something similar means that you are somehow a joyless puritan, no matter how much fun you have in private life. (I myself adore puppets to an embarassing degree) Third, I think we need to accept that sometimes things won't be fun and we need to do them anyway. Being on trial on some trumped-up charge isn't fun, even if you have loyal friends and a couple of fun benefits. Being on strike for months isn't fun, even if there are some fun things associated with solidarity. Sitting on city-wide committee meetings about building projects or affordable housing isn't fun, even if...you get the idea.

In fact, I almost think that the best place to start (as the previous post kind of suggested) is how we treat each other when we are together.

How can people be nice to each other and still be critical when neccessary? I have been involved with a collective that I like a lot, which seems to have gone through two phases. First, we had a lot of interpersonal tension and problems--sexism, bad behavior, etc--but things got done. Now, some people have left and the group is a happier place. But nothing gets done, basic responsibilities get neglected, etc, and the tenor of the group is such that it is hard to talk to people about their responsibilities.

And what does being nice to people look like? Are there any specific skills to use? How do you create a close group? Part of the problem is that for a lot of reasons activism is peripheral for people--you have to earn a living, most of the time; many people have big projects (study, grad school, family) that are valuable and important and time consuming. How do we make the many different kinds of groups that are neccessary--the small close groups, the bigger, more impersonal groups for large issues?

....AND how do we fit theory and reading more into all of this? Can study help us to build better groups? How? Do we form bonds based on a common reading of Guattari? Do we read Guattari in our lonely rooms and come up with clever organizing ideas based on his critique of Freud? (I use Guattari as an example mostly to amuse myself...you can easily substitute Chomsky or whoever makes you happy) Do we read the Left Business Observer religiously and simply use our new-found knowledge of international finance to decide on the next project?

Do we prioritize how we interact with each other, or the projects we undertake? (You can't really think about one without thinking of the other, but which do we emphasize?) It's a really pat answer to say that the two things create each other as they go along--that's easy to say, but what does it mean in terms of actually lived practice?

(I note that my lunch break is over and must return to unremitting toil)
by Bill
You ask a larger question than it seems.

They keep us in school for years, teaching us not to get along, to find no satisfaction in each other's company. We spend further years in front of tv/radio/movie/band reinforcing those sorry lessons, and learning also to ignore as best we can whom we are with.

We learn first is fun; everything else is loser. I know a lot guys who married Julia Roberts, or women Mel Gibson, and when the hormones wore off, woke up one morning to discover some icky substitute beside them. It is not possible for them to satisfy each other. They feel cheated. Worse, they don't know why, because there is no way to admit that the choosing, the chooser, was stupid, not the chosen. You see the same thing above, from a different angle : You are _all_ wrong because you are not a Marxist (of the correct brand) (or not a Primitivist, whatever, ...) You are all wrong because are a whatever.

We learn that fun/comfort is a chemical or emotional jolt, having not being. We drink and blow our emotions all over. We think we might have fun if we smoke it right. But the folks around us, even if we are not obnoxious, are uncomfortable as hell failing to keep track of our moods. And blowing their own moods about. If someone needs to be high, or in charge, or a trusted servant, they will not be happy. No amount of nice can make them happy.

Most heinous, most abominably heinous, they teach us that there is no happiness in the road, only in the destination. They teach us that the road must be miserable, lest the destination be impure.


Now, you get to spend the rest of your life figuring out what that means in you. (Hint: have fun along the way.) (Hint 2: _you_ have fun; he is responsible for himself.)



by Bill
They teach us, if you not happy, rise up, light up, drink up, shoot up.

Instant satisfaction.

Buy.

by aaron
refreshing.

by direct action gets the goods
>if only activism were pleasureable then everything would be much better

How utterly self indulgent, how typically American, how archetypically Bay Arean. Wake up, fools. It’s not all about you, and even less about you feel about it. It’s about one thing and one thing only, success. Either activism succeeds, or it is pointless.

Did you all have fun last year, trying to stop the invasion of Iraq? Weren’t the costumes glorious? Weren’t they banners clever? Didn’t you “get your message across”?

Who fucking cares!?! The demos were a complete and total failure at their sole stated goal. No, they did *not* stop the war. They didn’t not even stop the invasion. They failed. You failed. All the demos did was give you a chance to feel good about yourselves. And if you think that’s success, you’re lame beyond belief. Not only were you too lame to stop the war, you’re so lame you couldn’t even out maneuver the SFPD in the streets. They rounded you up like a flock of sheep. And you’re so so fucking lame, you’re proud of yourselves for it. You’re an embarrassment to every real activist in history. Shame on you. Go hang your heads.

And most of you aren’t even activists, let alone successful ones. Going to a demo doesn’t make you an activist. Organizing a demo makes you an activist, just not a very good one, that’s all. Organizing a demo that achieves it’s intended effect makes you a good activist, because effective = good, and nothing else does.

You will *never* organize an effective demo because demos alone are ineffective. History is totally clear about this. At best, they are a diversion, and at most a way to network. They do not influence policy one iota, because the ruling class doesn’t give a flying rat’s ass what we think, what our placards say, or how many of us they have to arrest (or if they have to, kill) to make us quit and go home. To them we are livestock, nothing more and nothing less.

Only direct action can alter the course of history. Demos are not direct action. Demos are nothing but begging in mass. Get off your knees. Stand up and fight. If you really want to end this endless war, and not just give yourselves an excuse to feel self-righteous, then get out there and physically destroy the war machine by any means necessary. Make it physically impossible for the ruling class to wage war. And if you really want to be free, not just free to dress weird and fuck how you want, but *really* free, free to decide for yourselves the course of your everyday lives, then you must rise up. We all must, not just here but across the globe, and we do it together, in unison, and at the same time.

Begging the ruling class to be just is a waste of precious time and resources. There is no point in appealing to their better natures, they have none. They are predators and parasites. We are their victims. Dialog with people like this, even if it were possible (which it most assuredly is not) is wholly inappropriate. These heinous fiends who suck on the world’s neck, and grind our liberty beneath their claws, must be cast down and destroyed utterly, not just physically in their mansions and board rooms, but spiritually between humanity’s ears. Nothing less will do. Round ‘em up and heard ‘em off cliffs, then refuse to believe they can be replaced or to permit anyone to try. Then we will be free, not until. Anything less is a fraud and a sham, and doomed to utterly fail.


>vegans are good cooks, but

What about the other 99% of us? Your food fascism sucks. Next to your servile begging and irrational, compulsive, servile passivity, it is the most alienating thing about you. Do you have any idea how utterly alienating it is to be told, and worse yet shown, how many of you believe that “real” activists have tats, wear piercings, and only eat vegetables they dug out of dumpsters? That’s not activism. That’s bohemian cultural chauvinism, and it alienates almost all of the working class. Get over it., or give up and go home.

Activism is not about promoting bohemianism for the same reason it’s not about promoting any single culture. If you are not organizing multi-culturally, you are wasting your time. A bunch of bohemians who happen to be of different ethnic extractions, is not multi-cultural. It’s mono-cultural, and it alienates everyone else. Most of us are not bohemians, nor want to be.

If you want real change on this planet, you have to be willing to work with people who eat different food, wear different clothes, like different music, worship different gods, don’t particularly like each other, and like bohemians even less. This is particularly true in America, the quintessential multicultural society. It is especially true in the Bay Area, arguably the single most diverse place on the continent. Bohemians are a minuscule minority here. If you can’t appeal to people who eat chorizo, fried chicken and burgers, your cause is going nowhere. Get over it.
by Re:Only direct action
How exactly can/did/would "direct action" have stopped the current war. A large group of people protesting has a larger effect by helping shape public opinion than a small group of people causing minor property damage. In the UK there were direct actions against military bases, but even there the effect of the "direct actions" on the war itself was less than a demonstration.

The direct effects of the large protests in the US were pretty tangible. Turkey refused to let the US stage the war from there due to Turkish public opinion that was partly shaped by all of the coverage of how even in the US thousands opposed the war. The unwillingness of most of the EU (aisde from the UK) to help with the war also reflects the effects of antiwar messages that protests helped to get to the European public.

by creating change
"If you want real change on this planet, you have to be willing to work with people..."

When protests are insular and focus on one subculture the effects are limited. Part of the point of protests is to spread ideas and if the audience is restricted to a small subculture that gets in the way of the effectiveness of the protests. The large anti-war protests in San Francisco had no such problem. The crowds were amazingly diverse with contingents from mosques, synagogues, churchs, communist groups, anarachist youth .... The demonstrations were large enough the corporate media was forced to cover them and the message from the mass actions in SF when the war started was heard around the world. Perhaps there was no immediate effect, but protests effect public opinion more than policy and the long-term effects of the protests will be felt for years.

But, for all the need to not have insular protests, one shouldn't go to the other extreme and demand that people conform to a perceived conservative mainstream standard. A movement that is not fun to be a part of will quickly die unless there are direct pressures forcing involvement. It may seem less than morally pure to care about how fun a demonstration or "direct action" but fun protests can help prevent burnout and even when an issue is pressing there is danger of burnout. A few morally pure somber practioners of direct action may feel morally superior but building a mass movement that is fun to be a part of is much more likely to change things than alienating people from a small cult that probably doesnt even impact targeted businesses insurance rates (let alone their operations).
by old guy
> Perhaps there was no immediate effect, but protests effect public opinion more than policy and the long-term effects of the protests will be felt for years.


As long as it remains mere opinion, public opinion has no effect whatsoever on policy. The ruling class simplyt doesn’t care what we think. They don’t have to, because we don’t *make* them have to.

I went to identical, if not larger and more militant, protests thirty years ago. not only has the endless war no ended, it has expanded. The front just moved, that's all. It wasn’t protests that moved the so-called “Viet Nam War” to the west. It was troop mutinies, and open rebellion at home. There were three thousand bombings in America in 1971. That’s nearly ten a day. That got their attention, not banners and signs. There was also extensive sabotage.

See:

http://www.geocities.com/cordobakaf/gis.html

If you want the war to stop, don’t beg the ruling class to stop the war for you. Stop the war yourselves.
by tkat
What direct action are you speaking of? Be specific. Direct action takes many forms, being vegan is a form of direct action. It is not my issue, but I support people acting on their beliefs.
Slagging bohemians is so mid 90s, get over it. Maybe you should go hang out with Jim goad and cultivate a neo populist agenda, and slag people that try to create a life worth fighting for here on earth.
Some revolutionary perspectives are very christian influenced, pushing people into closets and propounding on putting your politics above pleasure. It just doesn't have to be like that, history has its' lessons, look at china and mao and learn about cultural repression. You don't need to be a cultural reactionary to be an effective organizer. Another good reasource on this subject is Suzie Bright's piece in Angery Women, about being a radical red organizer in the 70's and interfacing with workers in detroit.
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by ?
"There were three thousand bombings in America in 1971."

There were also huge protests that brought hundreds of thousands into the streets and the extremist actions were an extension of a movement that had many people acting desperate. I don't think many of the bombings in the US during the early 70s did anything to stop the war (and were used to justify crackdowns on activists doing more positive actions), but even the bombings were caused by a mass movement. The mass movement mainly protested and the protests created the environment where people took more "radical" actions.

Radical actions without a mass movement has many risks. One risk is that it can get in the way of the building of a larger movement by driving a wedge between the "mainstream" and "radicals" creating an environment that makes it difficult for more people to become radical. There is also the risk that the danger of such actions can create an atmosphere of paranoia within a group that results in irrational actions, burnout and cultlike behavior. And of course there is the question of if and when such actions achieve anything. Groups like the Weather Underground didn't achieve anything directly through their bombings, but they did get media coverage which seems like it was the point. But, how much media coverage did they get and was it the type of covarge that made the public think about the war. For all that people like to criticize protests, large protests are productive in terms of getting a message out to people. Direct action, such as in Seattle during the WTO protests, may get some media coverage but its really not that different from a flashy banner or protest float designed to get media attention.

Mass protests also have secondary postive effects in terms of organization building. Indymedia grew out of the Seattle globalization protests and Indymedias spread at first due to the global protests. Large protests require networking and building an infrastructure to get information out to people and that same infrastructire can help mould public opinion even when protests are not going on.

Why does influencing public opinion matter?
Ultimately Vietnam ended because the US was losing and the troops in Vietnam were much more demoralized by their losses and the brutality of the war than a few bombings back in the US. But, the US government could have kept sending US soliders to die in Vietnam if it were not for public opinion in the US. Public opinion kept the US from using nuclear weapons. Public opinion made it hard for the US to wage large wars after Vietnam until Bush Sr. sent troops into Panama... (of course the bloody wars the US sponsored in Central America and Afghanistan happened anywats but the public wouldnt have stood for tens of thousands of US troops being sent to those places)
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by ?
" And when you do party, don’t call it work, ‘cuz it ain’t. "

Organizing party's take work but I dont hear anyone really calling the party aspct of the RTS last week a protest. The protest aspect was the Safeway breakaway march which was pretty effective in terms of shutting down the Safeway.

"And I keep it out of the faces of people it would alienate because I don’t want to not be able to be taken seriously by them ... I'm saying you can have just as much fun doing something that doesn't alienate people"

Alienate people??? This is San Francisco. If you are worried that a few people with pirate costumes on Haight street shocks and alienated the city Im guessing youve never been to the Folsom Street Fair, Pride or even Bay to Breakers.

"The right to be able to dress up and act out when the mood strikes is not serious stuff."

I dont consider a street party the same as an anti-war protest, but the "right to be able to dress up and act out" is very serious. Would you really want to live in a society where conformity to a conservative style of dress and action was enforced by the state?

Attacking a street party as a protests is a little silly since it didnt present itself as a protest. Next week there is an antiwar protest at Bechtel and in a month a huge antiwar protest. Do you think UFCW, DASW and ANSWER are unproductive because of lifestylism? You probably dont and since those are the more political protests and something like the RTS is more of a party, attacking an RTS for alienating people is like attacking people at Pride for wearing crazy costumes since coverage of it doesnt advance gay rights nationally (but I for one would not want to see Pride or the Folsom Street Fair made dreary by marxists and anarchists who think the outrageousness is alienating)
by tkat
Old guy claims
“I went to identical, if not larger and more militant, protests thirty years ago. not only has the endless war no ended, it has expanded. The front just moved, that's all. It wasn’t protests that moved the so-called “Viet Nam War” to the west. It was troop mutinies, and open rebellion at home. There were three thousand bombings in America in 1971. That’s nearly ten a day. That got their attention, not banners and signs. There was also extensive sabotage. “

History is a tool to learn from, but people use their own blinders to highlight their own narrow-minded perspective. This is the Todd Gitlin approach. Todd Gitlin totally discounts the more radical work of the weather underground and such revolutionarty cells. While this author totally discounts the efforts of pacifist protestors with the same vigor. People should read “the way the wind blew” about the weather underground or even just rent the movie about them. They pretty clearly admit, that they were no longer effective organizers, they gave that up to go underground and plant bombs. And somehow that stopped the war?

Perhaps if they would have continued to be organizers and moved forward in building a more of a radical movement than SDS then, perhaps more would have come out of the radical 60s than a few bookshops and good memories.

Another good read on this thread would be "You can't blow up a social relationship", by chaz buffe on see sharp press.

Don't take people's word for things read history and theory yourself.

by Jane
Okay, while we're on this topic, how about some specifics--what good social change have we witnessed, and how was it brought about? It might be useful to think about smaller things in addition to wars, just because what you need to stop a war is big and complex and requires a lot of fancy analysis.

Also, we might try to think of different types of social change, and think about different historical moments. What worked in 1934 may not work now...and we might try to think about the ambiguity of social change--women get more equal, we get the contention that ruthless cuthroat women somehow represent feminism, etc.

And sometimes I think it's important to accept that we lost through no fault of our own, or at least that our faults did not carry the day. I'm not at all clear that anything short of an actual revolution would have prevented the war in Iraq, for example, and though I marched on the marches and called up my "representatives" I never really thought it would work. The forces that wanted the war were too powerful. (And frankly I wish people would stop _celebrating_ all those marches. It was great that everyone cared, but in case no one noticed it didn't do any good. It was better to try than not to try, I guess...

So okay, positive social change that I have seen:

1. A big hotel workers' strike that mobilized a lot of people, from the strikers themselves to cabbies to activists. It wasn't the best win in the world, but it was part of a series of campaigns that involved the union standing up for illegal workers. Now, this is ambiguous because 1. it is not utopian, it involved winning better working conditions at jobs that are essentially pretty crummy, 2. it was not a totally triumphant contract by any means 3. It didn't build into a movement. What made it work? I think essentially it was the commitment of the union together with the diversity of forces involved, also the national media attention it got, also the fact that our city is supposed to be sort of progressive. Also, this was right around Seattle, and I think that the city felt that a simple hotel workers' strike was better than a lot of rock-throwing anarchists. Also, it was summer so it was easier to picket and a lot of college kids had free time. Ultimately, I think the activists were mostly important as background, contrast, and a little bit as threat.

...Just to keep this slightly shorter (and also because I sadly realize how little good change I have seen) I want to add that we should not think only in terms of street battles and shutting things down--to me, this is something missing from most of the arguments here as well as the piece above. Winning is a long struggle, obviously. People will be born and live and die in the movement (if things go well...) And the life they live is an advertisement of sorts.

Think of this--what if there were a left-wing clinic, a good one that could do minor surgery, in your town. A clinic that charged sliding fees and paid decent but not ridiculous wages to doctors. What does that do? It means that no activist needs to be afraid of lacking medical care. It means that fewer of us need to hold onto jobs in a system we distrust, just for medical care. It also means more well-paying jobs within the left--you could work at that clinic and have medical care and a wage good enough to raise a child on. And when you make a decent wage, you can spend it at the co-op on organic food, sustaining another decent job at decent wages. (By which I mean real co-ops, not Whole Foods or the yuppie marts that parallel it)

This is fairly elementary and also ambiguous--I often think that a life of as-near-as-possible disengagement from capitalism is the only sane way to go. But at the same time we have to live.

On another note, it's easy to get sidetracked onto the debate over lifestyle, but I have almost always noticed that "regular" people and funny-dressed people do fairly well together if they talk and listen to each other and have a cause or an interest in common.

I'm not interested in being the left-wing fashion police, in part because I'm a bit funny-looking just in my skin, so to speak. I'd much rather be in a setting where oddity of all kinds is accepted, because I will never look quite normal.

Under this question of lifestyle and appearance is the question of language and class--what's proper to the upper-middle-class activist doesn't always get over with the lower-middle-class, and vice versa, whether you're thinking of speech or appearance. Who decides what is proper? I don't want to essentialize into some silly formula about the "authentic" dress and manners of the people. What we need is to look at power, money, and interests rather than dress.

How to do this without essentializing formulas? I have no idea, and it is bedtime in the stodgy midwest. Good night.
by watcher
our good friends at sfindymedia. More specifically our comrad nessie. Just to keep the record straight, white, and male. .
Some people only seem to be able to criticise and attack other people and the things they work on.
Good job men, keep up the good work, and all that.
by in loco parentis
"You want to indulge yourself, go ahead. But don’t call it changing the world."

Sounds like a deal. Now that we're looking for a new name, how about we just call it... um, RTS?

"If you want to change the world and take pleasure in doing it, learn to take pleasure in politics that are effective."

Im confused. What are the the "politics" of RTS and how do they fail? This is where you get to display just how much of this discussion is a strawman you set up for yourself, and how much you are projecting yourself into the role of RTS organizer. If you want to organize RTS so bad, just go to the fucking meetings.

"Revolution is not a hobby, it’s a full time undertaking."

Thanks Dad. Yes, Dad, RTS is a bunch of teenagers deluding themselves with the belief that full scale political revolution can be accomplished with street parties. Its funny how illogical we can be without your guidance, administered through gentle admonishment that is always ON THE MOTHERFUCKING MARK.
by suspicious...
nessie has problems. he's censoring comments to the sf imc thread in response to the "hairdresser". it looks like that post was a fabrication to fuck with the RTS people.
by tkat
There is some weird stuff going on. Sfindymedia has a grudge against certain types of people, they love to slam "rts type people", "long haul type people", "berkeley and oakland type people", and it is a strange way to demograph people. They have some sort of moral superiority thing that lets them be the ultimate judge of everyones' actions. They might have some good points but it is really hard for people to hear them, with all the condescending, nasty, and possibly deceptive tactics that they use to make their points.
They seem to advocate for unspecific vangaurdist direct action or vague militancy?. Be specific or do something, anything helps really. I have a real problem seeing people critisize action from the view point of inaction. One of the sfimc people works on the bookfair and the bookstore, but that is just propaganda, that is not organizing or action.
The point of this discussion wasn't to slam peoples' actions, but to challenge them to go deeper and explore what else can people do to build more effectively.
by RWF
hey, old guy!

that geocities article by Matthew Rinaldi about troop rebellions against the war in Vietnam is amazing reading

thanks for posting it

anyone with a little free time should take the chance to read it

it's a real eye opener
by Shambhala Warrior (shambhalawarrior2001)
If our commitments to social justice and change were measured by our engagement in thought and discussion, rather than reactive responses, Another World would not only be Possible, it would be Probable.
by [in a word]
...because one can get it anywhere else, and it's virtually useless.
by illustrated
thanks, ness. right on cue.
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