Joke of the Day

and perfect for this site.

"People are upset about President Bush’s comment of Iraq buying uranium in the State of the Union Address. President Bush is angry about it too. The reason why is because it took him hours to learn how to pronounce uranium."

"More false information in the president’s State of the Union – it turns out he really doesn’t have an economic plan either."

Why are you unemployed?

the official unemployment rate is above 6%.

but that doesn't accurately reflect the actual situation: those who work one hour a week are counted as employed and people who haven't turned in a job application for more than a week aren't counted as part of the workforce. given this, the real unemployment rate is probably hovering around 10%, and is much worse than that in some areas.

maybe that helps answer your question, dave.

Actually, the people who haven't sought work are not considered part of the workforce, they're just not considered unemployed.

Unemployed = people seeking work and not able to get it.

I wanted to know why Unemployed is unemployed. I wanted to know the story of their unemployment.

"What would Orville and Wilbur think if they saw the flying machine I came in today?" Bush

It's just colourful language, Abe.

Bush wanted to tell a joke and at the same time wanted to impress the American with his history knowledge. It shows how insecure Bush is.

Next time, when Bush wanted to tell the same joke and to impress the public even more, he'll use Wright brothers' middle names.

Heaven forbid! Let's hope public figures stop making historical references.

Maybe some little boy asked his mom who those guys were. That'd be bad if it were thought provoking.

Now that I think about it, Abe - seems to me your big on packing your posts with a lot of references too.

"Honey, I think I'm pregnant, will you marry me?"
--Mary Jo Kopeckne

"We'll cross that bridge when we get to it!"
--Teddy Kennedy

"The vast majority of our imports come from outside the country."

"If we don't succeed, we run the risk of failure."

"I know how hard it is to put food on your family."

The reason why WMD is not found in Iraq is because the Prez ordered to look for "nucular weapons" and NOT "nuclear".

Thanks, Ari. Good luck to you in your future career in show business.

"Smoking kills. And if your killed, you lost a very important part of your life."
- Brooke Shields

Then it belongs in another thread.

"You know the one thing that's wrong with this country?
Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say."
President Clinton, lamenting freedom of expression (1993)



-- kind of reminds you of the old days wher censorship was a "dirty word"

Again and again, it's the economy. Sexual assualt news ain't gonna distract the public from knowing the economy is bad.

What? King George is being accused of sexual assualting a woman? How come the new media has said nothing about it?

http://dc.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=77071&group=webcast

Abraham "the economy is bad."

duhhhhhhhh.... nothin get's past old "Abe Simpson"

Excuse me, Prez Bush. It should be "nothing gets past..." and NOT "nothing get's past...".

Prez. Bush, what do you have to say about your sexual assault charges?

Abraham, YES THIS IS THE PRESIDENT.
i HAVE BEEN READING YOUR POSTS AND I IMPRESSED BY YOUR OPINIONS PLEASE COME TO WASHINGTON TO SEE ME, YOU CAN STAY IN THE LINCOLN ROOM. GRAB THE NEXT FLIGHT OUT!
WE CAN GO OVER ALL YOUR QUESTIONS THEN
BY FOR NOW

Letterman made fun of you again on his show yesterday. Did you see it? He showed how you gallantly spoke in front of the troops (but shy away from the public for some reason) "Be Seated. This is kind of a long speech", then you shrugged your right shoulder.

That was funny, Prez Select Bush.

BTW. Thanks for your invite to the White House. I'll have to decline and wait for the next invite from the rightful occupant. Have you packed all your belongings?

"Be seated. This is kind of a long speech", and then you shrugged your right shoulder!!!

Help! I'm laughing uproariously here! Hope the upstairs tenant is out of the house! Wouldn't want my sanity to become an issue here on our quiet street this afternoon!

angie, a lot of us didn't know about Bush's hidden talent as a comedian. We all should urge (or better to demand) him to leave politics immediately and do us plenty of good by becoming a comedian.

I remember when GWBush first appeared before the UN. I was telling my pals here that if the UN had risen as a body, convulsed with laughter, every time he opened his mouth, we might not be in the mess we're in today! Alas, that august body blew it!! He really should have been laughed off the international stage!

If the U.N. would have done that - we the people could have seen what a ridiculous body it truly is and could have pulled out. That wouuld have been great, indeed.

Thanks for the big chuckles!!!

So, you believe that GW sexually assaulted some woman based on one 'reporter' - who claims to have worked for major news organizations - but CAN'T get them to run with the story....???? Yeah, right! Where are details of the assault? Not very good reporting, eh?

What this loon did write was: "To be sure, Schoedinger’s accusations – which include being drugged and assaulted numerous times by Bush and men purporting to be FBI agents - are bizarre enough and hard for the average, television-media-brainwashed drone to believe. But to those of us who search beyond our conventional media and go places relatively few dare, her story could be true."

Yeah, this story could be true for Abe & the loon and any one else who only wants to fabricate garbage about Bush - because we all know, Bush can do no right, eh - Abe?

Thanks for the laugh!

LA Kobe Bryant's sexaul assault charges is all over the news. None of us know if he's guilty or innocent. The same should apply to Bush. If someone did file formal legal charges against Warmonger Bush, then the public should have the right to know about it as well. I certainly hope that no one is above the laws.

Joke of the day:
Why did our troops killed the Saddam's 2 sons and 2 others instead of capturing them alive?
Our intelligence source told Bush that his two sons got a hold of 2 tons of Kryptonite and were ready to use them against our troops. Bush ordered "Shoot and Kill".

what kind of doddering old fool wrote this???

Breaking News from Foxx News:
"A 5 year old toddler uncovered the Kryptonite intelligence as the justification used by Bush to kill Saddam was sexed up, Bush immediately denied that he was responsible for the forged intelligence, and he added that he didn't read the footnotes - "Kryptonite kills Superman only and has no effect on our troops, therefore, it's not considered WMD."

Bush briedly mentioned that he did catch another footnote that emphasized the concern "If Saddam's sons are found alive, they may tell the world Iraq's WMD is no longer in Iraq. Their WMD had been safely transported to Israel and to the U.S." None of the compassionate conservatives want to see this to happen. The consensus was to kill them so that we can continue to occupy Iraq by saying "we need more time for the Iraqis to come forward and tell us where they hid their WMD."

Kryptonite eh? Abe, I think you live in the Bizarro universe...

Your jokes are not much different than your 'serious' posts - they all lack credibility.

And they all are humorous - you wacky ultra left-winger!

Keep'em coming!

As more American begin to realize they've been had by Bush and his administration on the justification for killing Uday and Qusay, Bush further revealed that he didn't really know what Kryptonite was. And that he was a deprieved child who was forbidden by his father to learn about our national hero Superman. He didn't know the Kryptonite intelligence was a humorous joke by the CIA aimed to cheer him up from his daily mundane life in the White House.

Bush urges more Iraqis to come forward to tell us where the WMD are hidden.

"I took the initiative in creating the internet" - Al Gore

is Al Gore supposed to have said that? What was the context? Be specific. Cite your reference.

It was a nasty personal attack launched by the Compassionate Conservatives against Al Gore. It was taken out of context completely.

As I remember, Al Gore favor providing fundings for more research and development work done on Communication tech including internet application tech for mass population. Some of the people who benefitted from Al Gore's pro-internet tech development was Netscape's founder (What his name?) plus a few other big names. The internet protocol and its basic configuration concept was born out of our U.S. military project something like DARPA or something like that. (Don't quote me on this. I just don't wanna waste my time looking this up.)

It's known that Al Gore was never an engineer or a scientist. The whole thing was taken out of context. It was a venomous attack but did work because a lot of people in this country are gullible especially when it comes to technology related knowledge.

Just in case some of you didn't catch yesterday's Letterman show. Here's another FUNNIE from our Prez Select:

"This is the first time we've been back to Texas since our trip to Africa. You may recall we went to a PARK in Bots-WANA." Bush

Okay. Don't complain yet. The joke just hasn't sunk in. Try to say "PARK in Bots-WANNA" a few times and loud.

.... Is it funnier than before? Still No. Hell, I try. I GIVE UP! If you wanna complain, write to the White House and tell Bush NOT to tell any more jokes. He just ain't funny.

THE COW THEORY


DEMOCRAT:

You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. You feel guilty for being
successful. You vote people into office that put a tax on your cows, forcing you to sell one to raise money to pay the tax. The people you voted for then take the tax money, buy a cow and give it to your neighbor. You feel righteous.
Barbara Streisand sings for you.

SOCIALIST:

You have two cows. The government takes one and gives it to your neighbor. You form a cooperative to tell him how to manage his cow.

REPUBLICAN:

You have two cows. Your neighbor has none. So?

COMMUNIST:

You have two cows. The government seizes both and provides you with
milk. You wait in line for hours to get it. It is expensive and sour.

CAPITALISM, AMERICAN STYLE:

You have two cows. You sell one, buy a bull, and build a herd of cows.

DEMOCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE:

You have two cows. The government taxes you to the point you have to sell both to support a man in a foreign country who has only one cow, which was a gift from your government.

BUREAUCRACY, AMERICAN STYLE:

You have two cows. The government takes them both, shoots one, milks the
other, pays you for the milk, and then pours the milk down the drain.

AMERICAN CORPORATION:

You have two cows. You sell one, lease it back to yourself and do an IPO on the 2nd one. You force the 2 cows to produce the milk of four cows. You are surprised when one cow drops dead. You spin an announcement to the analysts stating you have downsized and are reducing expenses. Your stock goes up.

FRENCH CORPORATION:

You have two cows. You go on strike because you want three cows. You go
to lunch. Life is good.

JAPANESE CORPORATION:

You have two cows. You redesign them so they are one-tenth the size of an ordinary cow and produce twenty times the milk. They learn to travel on unbelievably crowded trains. Most are at the top of their class at cow school.

GERMAN CORPORATION:

You have two cows. You engineer them so they are all blond, drink lots of beer, give excellent quality milk, and run a hundred miles an hour. Unfortunately they also demand 13 weeks of vacation per year.

ITALIAN CORPORATION:

You have two cows but you don't know where they are. While ambling around, you see a beautiful woman. You break for lunch. Life is good.

RUSSIAN CORPORATION:

You have two cows. You count them and learn you have five cows. You have some more vodka.You count them again and learn you have 42 cows. You count them again and learn you have 12 cows. You stop counting cows and open another bottle of vodka. You produce your 10th, 5-year plan in the last 3 months. The Mafia shows up and takes over however many cows you really have.

TALIBAN CORPORATION:

You have all the cows in Afghanistan, which are two. You don't milk them because you cannot touch any creature's private parts.

POLISH CORPORATION:

You have two bulls. Employees are regularly maimed and killed attempting
to milk them.

FLORIDA CORPORATION:

You have a black cow and a brown cow. Everyone votes for the best looking one. Some of the people who like the brown one best, vote for the black one. Some people vote for both. Some people vote for neither. Some people can't figure out how to vote at all. Finally, a bunch of guys from out-of-state tell you which is the best-looking one.

NEW YORK CORPORATION:

You have fifteen million cows. You have to choose which one will be the leader of the herd, so you pick some dumb cow from Arkansas named Hillary.

Bush Unilateral Preemptive Style:
We own 80% of all the cows existed in the world. We claim all other nations with oil reserve are about to come and steal and slaughter our cows, we go and destroy their countries paid and finance by common American tax dollars, liberate them by setting up puppet government, then pay the American riches to rebuild using the money from the sale of their oil.

The buzz word in today's business world is MARKETING. However, most people often ask for a simple explanation of "Marketing." Here it is:

You're a woman and you see a handsome guy at a party. You go up to him and say, "I'm fantastic in bed," That's Direct Marketing.

You're at a party with a bunch of friends and see a handsome guy. One of your friends goes up to him and pointing at you says, "She's fantastic in bed," That's Advertising.

You see a handsome guy at a party. You go up to him and get his telephone number. The next day you call and say, "Hi, I'm fantastic in bed," That's Telemarketing.

You're at a party and see a handsome guy. You get up and straighten your dress. You walk up to him and pour him a drink. You say, "May I," and reach up to straighten his tie brushing your breast lightly against his arm, and then say, "By the

way, I'm fantastic in bed," That's Public Relations.

You're at a party and see a handsome guy. He walks up to you and says, "I hear you're fantastic in bed," That's Brand Recognition.

You're at a party and see a handsome guy. You talk him into going home with your friend. That's a Sales Rep.

Your friend can't satisfy him so he calls you. That's Tech Support.

You're on your way to a party when you realize that there could be handsome men in all these houses you're passing. So you climb onto the roof of one situated toward the center and shout at the top of your lungs, "I'm fantastic in bed!" That's junk mail.

Sounds like Bush fits the last category "Junk Mail". Bush stands on top of the roof and yells to the top of his lungs "I see terrorists with oil and gas reserve EVERYWHERE."

Since my last joke was deleted...? Hmm - not racy at all, either!

Who said these foolish, reckless words?

"The insistence on complete certainty about the full details is actually an effort to avoid facing the awful, uncomfortable truth: that we must act boldly, decisively, comprehensively and quickly, even before we know every last detail about the crisis."

Nope, not GW - Al Gore did, in his 1992 book Earth in the Balance (available second hand at amazon.com for 19¢). And he wasn't urging a pre-emptive assault on a psychotic dictator whose lust for (and possession of) WMDs are well documented, but rather a bold, decisive, comprehensive, and quick attack on global warming and other unproven environmental concerns.

Isn't that funny? Almost as funny as FOX news being considered more reliable (72% felt that way) to NYT (46%)....

It was removed because of the link it contained. No, you cannot link to that place from here.

Not trying to step on toes with links - just giving the site the info came from....

What was the issue with that site? What if people question where you get info?

They don't advertise us and we don't advertise them. We hate each other. They hate us because we are righteous. We hate them because they are evil. We do not allow our time, money, talent, skills and energy to be used to abet evil by advertising its propaganda sites or by providing it with a soapbox on this site.

What'd more, there is a special thread set aside in which to discuss our editorial policy. Here it is:

http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/12/1548433.php

If you want to talk about our editorial policy, do it there, not here.

Q: How many Greens does it take to change a lightbulb?

A: There's no important difference between darkness and the so-called light that is created by destructive multinational corporations. The only real answer is to produce natural light that doesn't depend on global capitalism, by burning down the house.

The (selected) Prez says how many believe Dick Cheney is the best vice president America has ever had. “Mama may disagree, though.”

(And the rest of America concur w/ Mama and they're suffer as a result.)

Bush finally delivered a real joke and the joke is on America this time. All thanks to Prez Bush.

What are the Iraqis and Afghan people thinking? Posting ideas that disagree with the officially cleared "thoughts" from the occupying authority!! The nerve of some!!!

"ideas are more dangerous than guns. We would not allow any local factions to organize and oppose our views, why should we allow them to have autonomy?" Rumsfeld

"Mayor's job filling potholes and collecting garbage is tougher than mine." Bush chuckled.

Yes, Prez. If you start putting in some time and effort to think through the mess and atrocities you have committed, and that you're supposed to serve the American public NOT the other way around, then you'll realize your job would have been more challenging.

I see you've set aside this special time to humiliate yourself in public.

A self-coronate emperor has no shame. Bush and his Board of Directors have shown no shame for their crimes committed, I am happy to share the lime light ridiculing myself at least for the good of showing how naked the emperor is.

"You know the one thing that's wrong with this country?
Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say."
President Clinton, lamenting freedom of expression (1993)

The following (in)famous quote can only be interpreted one way in any context:

"I've told you I don't live and die by the polls. Thus I will refrain from pointing out that we're not doing too bad in those polls." Bush

Yes, Prez. Just like the way you fight terror by being the most fearsome terror of all.

[And no new George W Bush Joke That's Not Really A Joke today because Letterman let us down last night. He re-played the "... a PARK in bosWANA". I guess the audience loved it so much and demanded for an encore.]

This could well be the right material for Letterman's future Bush Joke That's Not Really A Joke:

"I take personal responsibility for everything I say" George W Bush

Abraham, you're totally priceless!

I find myself checking this thread daily to see if you've added something! Keep up the good work.

Incidentally, if you're able to watch Canadian Air Farce on Friday nights on CBC television, the lads have been doing some pretty entertaining stuff re Bush et al. The shows are in re-run now, but I still roll on the floor.

There was one particularly insane show back in February wherein the guys (and one gal) did an uproarious take on CNN. It was called "Nothing is Happening". You know, impersonating the CNN gang, etc. doing their thing with that wee non-news item. I forgot to tape it, and I ended up ordering it from the studio.

I love them. Nothing or no one is safe, and they totally irreverent, but in the nicest way possible, of course. If you can check it out, you should. They do an awesome Bush impersonation. Clinton too, of course!

angie, we all should thank Lighten Up for starting this thread. I don't have access to the Canadian TV program. In fact, I don't subscribe to cable TV. I don't miss it. Feel free to add to this thread.

Here's another quote NOT from Bush but from Aristotle:

"It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it."

I wonder if this happens to Bush when he's with Karl Rove?

You shouldn't have suggested i throw out Bush jokes. I may do just that, grin.

It shouldn't be too difficult considering GWBush is the only President whose age is higher than his IQ.

Letterman "Being President means you have to know a lot about everything. You need to have a grasp on things; you need to be in the know. That was the inspiration for tonight's 'George W. Bush: Master of the Issues.' "

We see the President giving a speech. He reels off a few names of the characters arrested -- "Khalid Sheik Mohammed, Abu Zubaydah, Ramzi -- Ramzi al Shibh, or whatever the guy's name was... " Bush. The Prez gets stuck on a name (very uncharacteristic of him). He gives a shot at the correct pronunciation. He stumbles, and then tries again. Again, he flubs it. He gives it another shot. Nope, no good. . . . .or whatever the guy's name was. "Sorry, Ramzi, if I got it wrong. Binalshibh" Bush.

That was quite a thrill, Prez. That almost gave me a heart attack thinking that you were gonna fall flat on your face. May I suggest you to stick with your flying machine joke "What would Orville and Wilbur think if they saw the flying machine I came in today?".

I find myself checking this thread daily to see if you've added something! but if not I just read the line from yesterday, that's the nice thing about posting the same thing day after day ...we all know what will be here in the morning.

Angie you are right, I do find my self rambling, and posting the same thing over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over...
.....oops well what can I say? well at least I have that that rash under control now.

I have a rash as well, did you get the penicillin shot? or have you been to the doctor yet? the itching is driving mw nuts! it's hard to scratch and type
LOL...ha,ha,ha,ha

I did not send that post above. Here we go again!

The only post I've put here since yesterday (re Canadian TV) was the one this a.m. with respect to Bush's IQ.

I guess we have another idiot thinking he or she is clever. Any time I send you a note here, you'll know it's me, my friend.

so you are saying that you didnot say this?

And I daresay you're probably not the real Abraham either. We're dealing with strange folk here. As I say when I send a post to you, you'll know it's mine.

I may decide someday to apologize to those that I've a source of their sore and irritancy, but before I do that may I ask those who posted their comical self-delusional dialogues with himself/herself to visit a licensed clinical psychologist or psychiatrist.

"A great many laws in a country, like many physicians, is a sign of malady."
Voltaire

The Patriot Act serves a daily reminder to all of us. Thanks, Prez. Hope you have a nice and guilt free vacation in Texas.

Too many laws is bad indeed. Chief Justice Rehnquist has spoken on the problem of the federalization of criminal laws for many years - especially under the Clinton administration. Good examples of redundant federal laws include "hate crimes" and the like.

Conservatives have long argued that criminal law is best kept to the states, and out of the hands of the feds.

Chief Justice Rehnquist also ingeniously created an unwritten law to select the President for the People. He must be your idol, Dave.

The U.S. Congress creates laws Abe. So do the legislatures of the 50 states. You should have learned about that at the school that taught you critical thinking.

I'll give you an example. The Florida legislature created laws governing elections. These laws were followed by the Florida Secretary of State, who certified the vote. George W. Bush won in Florida and got its electoral votes. In all, 50 million Americans selected him to be their president. Thank goodness it all worked out.

Why don't you contact Chief Justice Rehnquist where he and the rest of Justice got the power to select Bush for us? Based on their magic act, I have to assume they created an unwritten law to justify and legitimate their action.

If Chief Justice Rehnquist can't answer you, contact James Baker. He'll tell. He's a smart man. Make sure you get ahold of Baker before Bush sends him to Iraq to help out Bremer.

did you see Willie browns appointee in charge of homeless services..one bureaucrat @$104,000.00 per YEAR..............
TO DO ABSOLUTELY NOTHING!!!THIS GUT HAS NOT ONE RESPONSIBILITY (WHERE CAN I FIND THIS JOB!!!)
NO WONDER THERE IS A GROWING HOMELESS PROBLEM IN SAN FRANCISCO. you sure fooled us this time willie

Go to law school Abe. You've got a lot to learn; or you pretend you do.

Saying the Court selected the president is like saying they kill millions of babies each year. The law doesn't give them that right either.

>Saying the Court selected the president is like saying they kill millions of babies each year.

Explain, please.

I wouldn't know logic if it plucked out my ass hairs. I'm a conservative.

I understand logic and reason. It's what I use in my posts to this thread so I don't have to resort to gimmicks and coffee shop humor.

I'm trying to explain to Abe that the Supreme Court did not select a president. They decided against a state which was going to treat some of its citizens differently than some of its other citizens - a violation of the 14th Amendment. Abe was confusing this legal decision with its result - GWB winning the white house.

I was analogizing with the Roe case - a supreme court decision (finding a privacy right) resulted in legalizing abortion. Unlike Abe, people who think the court got that one wrong do not confuse the decision with the act by saying that Warren was a baby killer.

Abe has the 'selected president' mantra running through his head and I'm trying to help him stop the voices so he can move on with life.

Do you enjoy having conversations with yourself? You're nuttier than a Planter's peanut factory!!!

Through the magic of technology, another person was cleverly able to type D A V E in the author field on this sight, and pretend he / she was me! Ha! That is smart indeed!

Who says there is an itellectual void on the left? Actually, with brilliant people like my mimic on thier side, I am shocked that they've been unable during the last two elections to convince a sufficient number of voters to put them in charge. Go figure.

Check it out! This "?" guy is copying his lame Planter's factory joke and pasting it on threads all over the internet.

Not only is he lame, he's lame everywhere! Way to go, Mr. Creative Original Thinker!

This is hiliarious.

Then why are the IP addresses the same? You're nuttier than Mr. Peanut!!!

"This is hiliarious."

You're correct, you ARE hilarious. Keep it coming!

Why must you make it so easy for people to get under your skin? Are you that weakminded?

I ain't crazy. And, I assure you, I am not talking to myself.

I also, therefore, doubt your claim that the IP addresses are the same. If they are, it may only be that I work for a company that employs thousands, and am not accessing this sight via MSN, AOL, or any other service that randomly assigns an IP.

I guess my posts have some substantive merit if they warrant these senseless diversions. The last refuge of the left these days is the personal attacks on those of the right.

Should not that be the opposite?

It is people on the left who are constantly being vilified by those on the right.

I can certainly attest to that, my friend. Have you checked out this Board recently? I hardly think anyone with a modicum of intellect could honestly refer to me as being "on the right" or anywhere near it, and daily I'm attacked.

That shoots that theory.

If you know the IP addresses of the people who post here, you must be using something like this:

http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/24.html

Nice to meet you, Angie. I've seen your stuff regarding Palestine and Israel, but did not want to get involved in that quagmire ;-)

Perhaps it's the case that some of us (like you and me) on this board enjoy discussing and debating ideas, while others, out of frustration turn to immature namecalling. I have indeed seen the posts regarding the moron(s) who were posting under your name. I condemn this idiocy, regardless of which side it supports.

This ? guy is a joke. He's trying to gain credibility by dropping phrases like "IP address" on us. They must be talking about that in his high-school summer computer class or something.

"I guess my posts have some substantive merit if they warrant these senseless diversions."

Your case file just keeps getting longer. I can now add delusions of grandeur to your list of mental illnesses.

Maybe, unlike you and me, he might actually know something about computers.

Not sure Letterman decides to give Bush a break, no fresh stuff from him. Hope Leno's will do while "Everyone" is taking a break:

President Bush has refused to declassify portions of a congressional 9/11 report about the Saudis because he says it would help the enemy. Not al-Qaeda. The Democrats.

That's right, Prez. Please remove your veil and show your true face.

It would be very surprising if there was no classified information associated with the 9-11 incident.Infact if there was not you could reasonably become suspicious.

"It would be very surprising if you actually said something intelligent for once."

Please issue a warning. Tell your kids not to imitate our selected Prez. Having one illiterate leader is bad enough. Encouraging more to be like him would be a disaster for all humankind.

Nice to meet you too!

I've read your stuff as well.

I don't blame you a bit for not getting involved in the "conflict" as I refer to it. You wouldn't know but it was the only conflict in the world, for God's sakes. Certainly it involves the most propaganda of any conflict, and that we have to debunk as much as possible. Hence my ongoing battle for a dignified and just peace for Palestine.

Right now I'm more interested in the ongoing crisis in Lliberia, and I've been taping Paul Welsh's news dispatches on BBC Newsworld each evening. In a few minutes (where I am) it will be 7:30, so I've got to run and see if the peacekeepers from Nigeria arrived today as planned and whether or not war criminal, Charles Taylor. is planning on accepting the exile offered him, or if he's going to stick around and cause more misery. War criminals are like that, aren't they?

Hell, there's so much to learn, so little time.

Good luck to you.

The last post I made on this thread was at 2:11 PM.

I decided to sit around a few nights ago and watch David Letterman. Hell, it's been ages since that, but I was waiting for a GWBush joke, as per your posts here.

Alas, nil.

The Royal Canadian Air Farce had another skit about GWB this past Friday night, and if I ever get a chance to check the tape again, I'll post a few of the great lines uttered for your entertainment.

Incidentally, speaking of Letterman, do you know if Will Lee is still playing bass with the band? I've got an autographed pic of him on my office wall (and an autographed guitar pick).

Good heavens, did I respond to a bogus post???

Not that I like taylor but Charles Taylor's opponants arent exactly saints either. Which war criminal would you make the leader?
So do you support this intervention in a soverign nations affairs angie?
how long will the US or other foreign soldiers have to stay and how many will need to die?
and what about oil...

What are you saying?

There is no comparison between peacekeepers arriving in a nation to try and bring about peace and a nation (Iraq) being invaded. It is two entirely different things, and you know it, or you should.

[angie, I didn't know Paul Shaffer's band members, but I did find the info you were asking http://www.cbs.com/latenight/lateshow/show_info/bios/ls_show_info_bios_wlee.shtml
]

Another joke of the day:
"As frustration over their lengthening deployment grows among troops in Iraq, soldiers are smacking head-on into limits on their public speech," writes Steve Liewer, a correspondent for the European version of Stars and Stripes magazine. Troops interviewed in Germany and Iraq say they have been briefed to refer questions to a public affairs specialist and that soldiers have been getting in trouble for speaking out.

To clarify the facts, it was the U.S. News Media that were first briefed to refer questions to the White House's public affairs specialists and that reporters have been getting in trouble for reporting.

Hey, thanks! There he is! Will Lee! Gosh, I did so enjoy him! As a bass player he's one of the best there is! Think I'll check out Letterman more often!

There is no comparison between peacekeepers arriving in a nation to try and bring about peace and a nation (Iraq) being invaded. It is two entirely different things, and you know it, or you should.

- there is a comparison although I see where your point of difference is.
OK more specifically what terms of reference would you give the peace keepers. are they men who stand on a boarder and are subserviant to the local governments or do they overrule the local governments (i mean the "government" and the "rebels")? Are you not suggesting that they strongly encourage the legitimately elected leader, taylor, to leave office ?
Sure Taylor might be a war criminal (like Saddam) but he was elected in a landslide (unlike saddam).
I can imagine a few years from now people will be painting the peace keepers as a cynical attempt at empire building or else it will be a failure and a lesson to "imperialists".
what is the exact line on which you draw the difference inbetween peacekeeping and er evil imperialism?

The United States and UK (let's not forget the handful of Australians) attacked Iraq, destroyed its infrastructure, killed several thousand people. It was a foreign power, a bully, if you want, waging war on another soverign nation for its own agenda, which is for another time and place to discuss).

A totally different situation exists in Liberia today.

For over two decades there's been fighting in Liberia. Actually Liberia is a country that was founded by freed American slaves, and strong ties have existed between the two countries. Hence, Liberia's cry for help to the US two weeks or more ago.

Charles Taylor, current President, and indicted war criminal, led many rebellions himself during the 80s and 90s before winning the country's election in 1997, so this sort of activity is nothing new to him..

A nasty piece of humanity, this newest war criminal has not only created destabilization in the countries surrounding Liberia, especially Sierra Leone, but made a handsome fortune from supporting the rebels in the diamond mining areas there.

Ah, but thanks to the largest peacekeeping operation in the world, the fighting in Sierra Leone has stopped, and stopped as well is Taylor's massive income. Of course, maybe he had been prudent over the years and saved for a rainy day. He's going to need it!

Today there are two rebel groups busy waging war against the government. They are the Fighters of the LIberian United for Reconciliation and Democracy (LURD) who initially operated from bases in Guinea, and who now have gained significant territory in the north and west.

The other rebel group is much more recent, and is going by the handle "The Movement for Democracy in Liberia (MODEL). This group, not to be outdone, has gained territory in the south and east, effectively cutting off income from the country's newest source of revenue - timber.

Many of the participants of these groups are former enemies of Taylor from earlier wars, and they now control approximately two-thirds of Liberia.

Today 300 peacekeepers arrived and set up shop, so to speak, in the airport where they will remain for a few days before venturing forth into the city of Monrovia, where, today, some 250,000 refugees wait and wonder what is going to happen to them. They are without enough food, enough shelter, and are in fear of their lives daily.

By October it is hoped that a UN multinational peacekeeping force of 3,000 plus will be in place.

We don't even know yet if Charles Taylor will depart. He's now saying he wants the indictment against him dropped or he won't leave.

I will say again that Paul Welsh, BBC's foreign correspondent in the region, has been doing a brilliant job explaining to us what is happening daily.

Poor Africa. Poor Liberia. War is hell. So why in the name of all that's good and decent in the world must humankind feel the need to kill humankind? Why?

I didn't mean to take up space here with Liberia.

Sorry, Abraham.

This is supposed to be our happier thread, but I just responded to Scottie's comment above before realizing where I was.

It won't happen again at least not in this thread.

Your still not drawing a clear line inbetween what is a peace keeping effort and what is an invasion.
For example the peace keepers are already defining the conditions under which the peace will be arranged (the removal of the liberian president).
I hear people say that Liberia invited the peacekeepers in but was that Taylor or was that the rebels? Or was it the nieghbouring states and the UN?
In iraq the kurdish rebels basically invited the US in.
if you mean US's responsibility to liberia well britain has a similar more recent one to iraq. by the way liberia on hte whole is not populated by freed slaves (of course iraq isnt populated by british people either).
My point is not that there is not a difference between iraq and liberia but that I want to know EXACTLY where you draw that line. Because that is the most important point.

The big question...

Who is a mass murderer with soverign rights and who is a war criminal that can be forced out? and under what conditions?

hmm good point angie.. off to another thread

Letterman finally delivered another George W. Bush. Last night's Bush joke would have been a bit lame if he hadn't also included Top Ten Real Reasons Colin Powell Is Stepping Down. By the ingenuity of gene splicing and computer morphing technique, here's my hybrid Bush joke:

"Bill has been a friend of mine for a long period of time. He might have invented the word, 'piece of work.'" Bush

Yes Prez. Work! If you had known what "Work" is, more of your audience would have laughed at your 'piece of work' joke. Add If you start putting in some hours into the work that you're supposed to, Powell wouldn't step down feeling he's not getting anything done because boss is on vacation six months a year.

Prez, How do you unwind yourself when you were never wind? What 'piece of work' gets done while you're on your working vacation in Crawford, Texas?

Laura Schlessinger is a US radio personality who dispenses sex advice to
people who call in to her radio show. Recently, she said that as an
observant Orthodox Jew, homosexuality is an abominaton according to
Leviticus 18:22 and cannot be condoned in any circumstance. The
following is an Open Letter to Dr. Laura penned by a US resident, which
was posted on the Internet:


Dear Dr. Laura:
Thank you for doing so much to educate people regarding God's Law. I
have learned a great deal from your radio show, and I try to share that
knowledge with as many people as I can. When someone tries to defend the
homosexual lifestyle, for example, I simply remind them that Leviticus
18:22 clearly states it to be an abomination. End of debate. I do need
some advice from you, however, regarding some of the specific Bible laws
and how to follow them.

a) When I burn a bull on the altar as a sacrifice, I know it creates a
pleasing odor for the Lord (Lev. 1:9). The problem is my neighbors. They
claim the odor is not pleasing to them. Should I smite them?

b) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in
Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair
price for her? She's 18 and starting University. Will the slave buyer
continue to pay for her education by law

c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her
period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev. 15:19-24). The problem is, how
do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women take offense.

d) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and
female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend
of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you
clarify? ......Why can't I own Canadians?

e) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath. Exodus 35:2
clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill
him myself, or should this be a neighborhood improvement project ?

f) A friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an
abomination (Lev. 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality.
I don't agree. Can you settle this?

g) Lev. 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have
a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear reading glasses. Does
my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here? Would
contact lenses help?

h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair
around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by
Lev.19:27. How should they die?

i) I know from Lev. 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me
unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?

j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev. 19:19 by planting two different
crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of
two different kinds of thread (cotton/polyester blend). He also tends to
curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the
trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev.24:10-16)
Couldn't we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we
do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)

I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you
can help. Thank you again for reminding us that God's word is eternal
and unchanging.

Your devoted disciple and adoring fan.

"I get to go to lots of overseas places, like Canada." - Britney Spears

Did Moses accidentally forget to bring us back the 11th commandment? It appears the Israelis politicians have recently uncovered and unearthed the an ancient stone tablet that specifially prohibits the marriage between Israelis and Palestinians?

Sharon, are you there? Please call your buddy Bush and share with him your newly found ancient stone tablet.

"Honey, I think I'm pregnant, will you marry me?"
--Mary Jo Kopeckne

"We'll cross that bridge when we get to it!"
--Teddy Kennedy

Unclassified Bush's Diary:

Aug 05, 2003. Went fishing. Found no fish. Rumsfeld called and updated on WMD in Iraq. Found no WMD. Something smells fishy. It's just a matter of time, I know. Will find fish soon or later.

The following info is from a CNN link;
http://www.cnn.com/SPECIALS/2001/clinton/timelines/timelines.html

June 26,1993
Clinton orders a missile attack against Iraqi intelligence headquarters in Baghdad in retaliation for alleged Iraqi plot to assassinate former President George Bush.

October 7, 1993
Clinton orders military reinforcements to Somalia after an attack on U.N. peacekeeping troops leaves 18 U.S. soldiers dead. Nearly all U.S. forces are withdrawn from Somalia over the next six months.

September 3, 1996
Clinton orders missile strike on Baghdad after Saddam Hussein's forces attack the Kurdish-controlled city of Irbil.

August 20, 1998
The U.S. fires cruise missiles at targets in Sudan (right) and Afghanistan in response to what Clinton calls an "imminent" terrorist threat from a network run by Osama bin Laden. The strikes follow attacks on U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania earlier in the month.

December 16, 1998
Britain and the United States launch four days of airstrikes against Iraq. In a televised address, Clinton says the attacks come after Baghdad's failure to cooperate with U.N. weapons inspectors.

it is your contention that Mary Jo drugged teddy then drove him and herself to the bridge, then placed him
gently on the side of the road and crashed her car and drowned herself so that teddy would look bad????

how desperate can the democrats be???

look at the Kennedy history of interpersonal relation ships. from the rape at the "Kennedy Kompound"
(should have been raided by the A.T.F.)to the cousin who killed the guy next door by bashing his head in with a golf club. not even mentioning Jackie or bobby, or daddy Kennedy and his mob ties during probation, and that string of murders.
all I have to say is it runs in the family!

Aug 07, 2003. Went Fishing. Again, found no fish. Karl Rove called and updated WMD had been located in California. Sent Arnold in as the head of the weapons inspection team. Can't wait to nuke those damn terrorists. Yes, will find fish soon or later. I know. Karl told me so.

"The President has kept all of the promises he intended to keep."
- Clinton aide George Stephanopolous speaking on "Larry King Live"

____________________________________
Abraham,
your joke is not funny,,,,,,,,,,,, not even the tenth time you posted it!

Not! If my "jokes" offend you pathetic Bush supporters, then stop supporting the moron King George. That will make you feel less offended.

Here's a good one from Letterman. It's CBS Mailbag Letter #4 assisted by Little Bo Peep Stephanie:

LETTER #4:
"Dear Dave, Won't you please run for Governor of California?"
Unlike some celebrities, I KNOW MY LIMITATIONS. This story about Arnold Schwarzenegger running for Governor is just insane. But he's here tonight to discuss his candidacy. Please welcome, Arnold Schwarzenegger.
ARNOLD: Check out these guns! Gray Davis, your ass is mine, bitch. You're my bitch! (Arnold flexes his biceps)
DAVE: Now, Arnold, most people think your candidacy is a joke. Do you honestly think you can win?
ARNOLD: Dave, it reminds me of one of my movies in which I played a guy everyone counted out. But he worked and worked and one day Rocky Balboa became the heavyweight champion of the world.
DAVE: You weren't Rocky. That was Sylvester Stallone.
ARNOLD: Is that right? I'll be damned.
DAVE: So, what is your plan to solve California's budget crisis?
ARNOLD: Hasta la vista, baby!
DAVE: Uh, that's not really a proposal. California has severe problems, which can affect the entire nation. What is your plan to fix it?
ARNOLD: I'll be back.
DAVE: You're not making any sense.
ARNOLD: E.T. phone home. Use the force, Luke. Show me the money. Show me the money.
DAVE: Shut up.
ARNOLD: Sorry.
DAVE: Now, Arnold, California's health care system is also . . .
ARNOLD: Arrrgggggghhhhhhhhhhh --- sorry, Dave, that was the steroids talking. Look, I gotta go, but let me just say to the California voters - when you walk into that booth October 7th, just check the box marked S-H-C-W-Z-G-E-R- oh, whatever. It doesn't matter. Bush is gonna fix the election for me anyway.
DAVE: Arnold Schwarzenegger, ladies and gentlemen.
ARNOLD: I'm coming after you Gary Colemen. I'll debate you anytime!

Aug 07/08, 2003. Went Fishing. Found no fish. Is it me or there's really no fish in the well? Arnold called and updated he has started the search for WMD in California. "I own your a*s, Arnie" I said. Felt good when I said that. I'm THE man. Invited Arnie to come fishing with me.

Diary entry for Aug 09 and 10, 2003 on Aug 08, 2003. (Went Fishing and back) X 2. (Found no fish) X 2. Damn hot 140 F outside just like Letterman said. Been spending hours looking up the subject "Nucular Weapons" and found nothing. Damn. Start practicing the pronounciation of Arnie's last name S-H-C-W-Z-G-E-R- oh, whatever. Got a couple more days to practice before Arnie arrives and go fishing with me.

"I took the initiative in creating the internet" - Al Gore

"You know the one thing that's wrong with this country?
Everyone gets a chance to have their fair say."
President Clinton, lamenting freedom of expression (1993)

When did Al Gore say that? In what context? Be specific.

Aug 10, 2003. The forecast diary entered on Aug 8 for Aug 10 didn't materialize. Karl called and updated on WMD search in California. Another mess on hand. Too many damn terrorists in California and they all wanna be governor. Doesn't look like there's a need to learn how to pronounce Arnie's last name. Found no fish.

i am off my medications, and I feel fine, angie is crabby as usual, and JA is discontented. so far all my personalities are normal. if this keeps up I may try to escape from the funny farm.

[It's hilarious to see pathetic jibberish posted by guilt-ladened Bush supporters.]

Bush Diary:

August 11, 2003. Getting a bit tired of not finding any fish in the well. Karl told me there's fish in Crawford, Texas. If there's fisk in the PARK in Bos-WANA, then there ought to be fish in Crawford. I know. There're too many damn trees obscuring the finding of fish. Called my friend Bill to carry out my order to thin out tress in all national parks and forests.

MULHOLLAND: Schwarzenegger is going to find out that unlike a Hollywood movie set, the bullets coming at him. In this campaign there are going to be real bullets, and he's going to have to respond to them.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

HANNITY: Isn't that irresponsible to talk about real bullets Bob Mulholland? In a campaign?

MULHOLLAND: I should have used -- I should not have used Hollywood words, and I apologize for that. What I said -- what I meant to say and I should say...

HANNITY: OK.

MULHOLLAND: ... real political issues like our differences that we have on many issues between the Republicans and the Democrats.

HANNITY: Fair enough. You wouldn't apologize when I spoke to you earlier today, but I see you've had a change of heart. And I think that's important that you do apologize for that.

Joke of the Day:
Arnold Wha-his-Name and U.S. Corporate News Media.

I haven't dropped off the face of the earth although it seems that way! And I suppose some of you out there are saying, aaah, damn! We thought you had!

I doubt very much if Abraham wrote the bit above re "Angie is still crabby, JA discontented", etc. However, it's fun to know someone out there remembers me after a week!

I'll be back with you all in another week or so.

Hey, Free Thinker, are you following the Hutton Inquiry?

As well, it's a relief to know that Charles Taylor has departed from Liberia, but will his departure stop the horrors being inflicted on the civilian population by the "rebels"??

As soon as I started raving about the excellent coverage by BBC's Paul Welsh in Liberia, they yanked him!! Barnaby Phillips just doesn't cut it! Poor lad!

This has been the first opportunity I've had to check the Board since last Tuesday. I note the more things change, the more they remain the same. (Who was it that said that?)

Oh, incidentally, Abraham, Bill Maher appeared on CBC last weekend from a comedy show in Montreal, and we were rolling on the floor! A Bush supporter he is not! I taped his comments only to inadvertently tape over same! I adore him!

Hope everyone is enjoying the summer wherever you are, and next time I'm close to a computer, I'll check out the Board.

Angie (away from home and hearth)

[angie, enjoy your summer vacation. Bill Maher is great. Entertaining and intelligent. A man of substance. Ain't no way such a man is a Bush supporter.]

Top Ten Signs You're In Love With Democratic Presidential Candidate Dennis Kucinich

10. You've actually heard of him

9. Whenever he discusses plans to revitalize economy, you look around and stay as far away from Bushes as you can

8. Re-Named all your Willie Nelson's albums and CD's Willie Dennis Kucinich Nelson

7. You start collecting memorabilia of everything with the name Dennis like Dennis Quaid, Dennis the Mennace... and you would pay 10X the market price for anything with the name Kucinich.

6. When you hear Kucinich speaks, you murmur, "Glad to hear some coherent Presidential speeches for a change"

5. Constantly complain rival candidate Howard Dean isn't "Kucinich-ly" enough

4. You'd subscribe to any publication that mentions the name "Kucinich" in their news.

3. You stand by him despite the fact you cannot spell or pronounce his name.

2. When he announced his candidacy, you didn't laugh your ass off

1. You're actually considering wasting a vote on him

Hope you are enjoying your holiday.

Some interesting developments in the Kelly inquiry:

http://media.guardian.co.uk/broadcast/story/0,7493,1017869,00.html

Exerpts: Newsnight reporter Susan Watts today denounced the BBC's "attempts to mould" her stories in what she believed was a misguided strategy to corroborate Andrew Gilligan's controversial report on the BBC Radio 4 Today programme.

In an extraordinary development at the Hutton inquiry today, Watts revealed she felt compelled to seek separate legal representation because of pressure from her BBC managers to reveal David Kelly as her main source in order to corroborate Gilligan's story - a move she felt "was misguided and false". . . .
Mr Dingemans then asked Watts whether she thought her Newsnight stories corroborated Gilligan's allegations, including whether Alastair Campbell had inserted the 45 minute claim into last September's Iraq dossier.

"No I don't," she replied. "I felt there were significant differences between my reports and his reports."

Watts said she took her decision when she read Dr Kelly's response to a committee question asking him directly whether he was the source of one of her Newsnight stories and he had responded: "No".

"It was hard to discern his response immediately but, when I saw the transcript the next day, he appeared to deny he was the source. This factor relieved me of my obligation to protect," she added.

In a morning full of extraordinary revelations, Watts also accused Dr Kelly of being "less than frank" when he gave evidence to the FAC.

Watts said she viewed Dr Kelly's evidence to the committee on the internet and also read his transcript the following day.

In his evidence, Watts said, he appeared to distance himself from the quotes he had given her and which she had used in her broadcast.

She added: "On listening to that evidence... I would have felt he had relieved me of my obligation of confidentiality to him."

And this about Gilligan:
http://media.guardian.co.uk/bbc/story/0,7521,1017624,00.html

Q: What is $38 billion and, therefore, larger than the budgets of 48 states?

A: Cali's budget DEFICIT!


Way to go, Democrats! Keep pullin' that "D" lever in every election.

Who was the Republican Governor who did away with the State energy regulation commission board that led to the energy industry able to easily manipulate the energy supllies and prices at will?

Who said ""I take personal responsibility for everything I say" but NOT accountable for any crimes?

How many Republicans collaborate and continue to shield the energy industrialists who committed crimes against the Western States?

Which Republican President is responsible and accountable for the largest drop in deficits from the largest surplus in the world's history? And accomplished it in less than 2 years?

Which Republican President is responsible and accountable for the largest jos losses in American history? And accomplished it in less than 2 years?

A study funded by the US government has concluded that conservatism can be explained psychologically as a set of neuroses rooted in "fear and aggression, dogmatism and the intolerance of ambiguity".

Don't believe it's scientifically proven? Read more about it yourself.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/usa/story/0,12271,1017546,00.html

Another piece of interesting article on the same subject.

Researchers help define what makes a political conservative

By Kathleen Maclay, Media Relations | 22 July 2003 (revised 7/25/03)

BERKELEY – Politically conservative agendas may range from supporting the Vietnam War to upholding traditional moral and religious values to opposing welfare. But are there consistent underlying motivations?

Four researchers who culled through 50 years of research literature about the psychology of conservatism report that at the core of political conservatism is the resistance to change and a tolerance for inequality, and that some of the common psychological factors linked to political conservatism include:

Fear and aggression

Dogmatism and intolerance of ambiguity

Uncertainty avoidance

Need for cognitive closure

Terror management
"From our perspective, these psychological factors are capable of contributing to the adoption of conservative ideological contents, either independently or in combination," the researchers wrote in an article, "Political Conservatism as Motivated Social Cognition," recently published in the American Psychological Association's Psychological Bulletin.

Assistant Professor Jack Glaser of the University of California, Berkeley's Goldman School of Public Policy and Visiting Professor Frank Sulloway of UC Berkeley joined lead author, Associate Professor John Jost of Stanford University's Graduate School of Business, and Professor Arie Kruglanski of the University of Maryland at College Park, to analyze the literature on conservatism.

The psychologists sought patterns among 88 samples, involving 22,818 participants, taken from journal articles, books and conference papers. The material originating from 12 countries included speeches and interviews given by politicians, opinions and verdicts rendered by judges, as well as experimental, field and survey studies.

Ten meta-analytic calculations performed on the material - which included various types of literature and approaches from different countries and groups - yielded consistent, common threads, Glaser said.

The avoidance of uncertainty, for example, as well as the striving for certainty, are particularly tied to one key dimension of conservative thought - the resistance to change or hanging onto the status quo, they said.

The terror management feature of conservatism can be seen in post-Sept. 11 America, where many people appear to shun and even punish outsiders and those who threaten the status of cherished world views, they wrote.

Concerns with fear and threat, likewise, can be linked to a second key dimension of conservatism - an endorsement of inequality, a view reflected in the Indian caste system, South African apartheid and the conservative, segregationist politics of the late Sen. Strom Thurmond (R-South S.C.).

Disparate conservatives share a resistance to change and acceptance of inequality, the authors said. Hitler, Mussolini, and former President Ronald Reagan were individuals, but all were right-wing conservatives because they preached a return to an idealized past and condoned inequality in some form. Talk host Rush Limbaugh can be described the same way, the authors commented in a published reply to the article.

This research marks the first synthesis of a vast amount of information about conservatism, and the result is an "elegant and unifying explanation" for political conservatism under the rubric of motivated social cognition, said Sulloway. That entails the tendency of people's attitudinal preferences on policy matters to be explained by individual needs based on personality, social interests or existential needs.

The researchers' analytical methods allowed them to determine the effects for each class of factors and revealed "more pluralistic and nuanced understanding of the source of conservatism," Sulloway said.

While most people resist change, Glaser said, liberals appear to have a higher tolerance for change than conservatives do.

As for conservatives' penchant for accepting inequality, he said, one contemporary example is liberals' general endorsement of extending rights and liberties to disadvantaged minorities such as gays and lesbians, compared to conservatives' opposing position.

The researchers said that conservative ideologies, like virtually all belief systems, develop in part because they satisfy some psychological needs, but that "does not mean that conservatism is pathological or that conservative beliefs are necessarily false, irrational, or unprincipled."

They also stressed that their findings are not judgmental.

"In many cases, including mass politics, 'liberal' traits may be liabilities, and being intolerant of ambiguity, high on the need for closure, or low in cognitive complexity might be associated with such generally valued characteristics as personal commitment and unwavering loyalty," the researchers wrote.

This intolerance of ambiguity can lead people to cling to the familiar, to arrive at premature conclusions, and to impose simplistic cliches and stereotypes, the researchers advised.

The latest debate about the possibility that the Bush administration ignored intelligence information that discounted reports of Iraq buying nuclear material from Africa may be linked to the conservative intolerance for ambiguity and or need for closure, said Glaser.

"For a variety of psychological reasons, then, right-wing populism may have more consistent appeal than left-wing populism, especially in times of potential crisis and instability," he said.

Glaser acknowledged that the team's exclusive assessment of the psychological motivations of political conservatism might be viewed as a partisan exercise. However, he said, there is a host of information available about conservatism, but not about liberalism.

The researchers conceded cases of left-wing ideologues, such as Stalin, Khrushchev or Castro, who, once in power, steadfastly resisted change, allegedly in the name of egalitarianism.

Yet, they noted that some of these figures might be considered politically conservative in the context of the systems that they defended. The researchers noted that Stalin, for example, was concerned about defending and preserving the existing Soviet system.

Although they concluded that conservatives are less "integratively complex" than others are, Glaser said, "it doesn't mean that they're simple-minded."

Conservatives don't feel the need to jump through complex, intellectual hoops in order to understand or justify some of their positions, he said. "They are more comfortable seeing and stating things in black and white in ways that would make liberals squirm," Glaser said.

He pointed as an example to a 2001 trip to Italy, where President George W. Bush was asked to explain himself. The Republican president told assembled world leaders, "I know what I believe and I believe what I believe is right." And in 2002, Bush told a British reporter, "Look, my job isn't to nuance."

http://www.berkeley.edu/news/media/releases/2003/07/22_politics.shtml

I understand your problem similar now. Don't feel bad. There's still hope as long as you acknowledge that you have a problem. Seek professional medical and psychological help immediately for your own good.

Based on the principle of the Republican drive to recall California Governor Davis, we now have ample of reasons to accelerate the recall/impeach drive for Bush: (As of Aug 14, 2003)

"I take personal responsibility for everything I say" (I'm on vacation when the blackout happened. So I have nothing to do with anything.)

How many Republicans collaborate and continue to shield the energy industrialists who committed crimes against the Western States? And against the Northeastern states (as of 08/14/03)?

Which Republican President is responsible and accountable for the largest deficits from the largest surplus in the world's history? And accomplished it in less than 2 years? (And plan to return the nation back to surplus by cutting the take home pay for our foot soldiers as of Aug 2003.)

Which Republican President is responsible and accountable for the largest jos losses in American history? And accomplished it in less than 2 years? (And add the largest blackout in history under Bush's watch.... Strike that not "under his watch". He's on vacation 6 months out of a year. Change to "the largest blackout in history under the watchful eyes of Bush's energy and oil advisors.)

This really made me laugh out loud. Thanks a million!

Aug 17, 2003. Started looking for stray cow around the ranch. Rumsfeld called and said something about the Dutch wanted to back out from sending in their troops after finding some "Hot" DU spots. No idea about Rummy's tech talk about some nucular yuranus stuff. "Ain't no place hotter than Crawford Texas' 140 F" reminded Rummy I am still the man.

Aug 18, 2003. No stray cow found on the ranch. It's just a matter of time, I know. There must be stray cows in Texas. Ashcroft called and asked if his Justice Department should clear the Oct 7 Calif Recall. "Do I have to micro-manage everything?" reminded Ashcroft I'm the Man. Still mad at Rummy for telling me the Dutch wimps found "shortage yuranum" hot spots (or was it Depleted something hot spots) in some Iraqi cities. Giving me a damn head ache in this damn hot 140F weather.

Aug 19, 2003. Found no stray cow. Cheney called. His pacemaker wasn't affected by the blackout and joint US-Canadian task force pledged full inquiry. "Expand and intensify the blackout on the news media" reminded Cheney I'm the Man. Damn hot around here.

Curious how New York's mayor immediately stood there at his press conference telling the world that the problem originated in Canada when no one knew what the hell caused it at that point. And it was later announced to have began in Ohio. How disappointing for him.

By now, many including Mayor Bloomberg have learned from our fearless (or is it reckless) leader Bush that facts are merely accessory in American politics.

Second, Mayor Bloomberg blamed Canada for the blackout was a gift to Bush (in return to his teaching) just in case Bush decides to invade Canada.

Third, Bloomberg knew none of American energy corproations including Ankron First Energy will ever be at fault for anything because the Great Prophet Bush has said so.

Why do all the news media describe Bush's fund raises as effort to keep him in office for the "Second Term"?

"Technically speaking, we didn't elect him for the first term" Letterman

I like it! (giggle)

Again, Abraham, it would appear David L. decides to throw out a joke or two about "the joke" whenever I do not watch same.

Oh, I did watch it one night last week, and there was Will Lee, Angie's favourite bass player!

When you really need them...

Now that rebels are bombing the UN, water mains and oilfields belonging to the Iraqi people, where are all the human shields from Western countries who volunteered to sit on these structures to protect them from the evil Americans? It seems shielding the Iraqi people's vital assets is only necessary if it supports a brutal dictator.

To ???, please call and ask John Ashcroft why he's trying to jail and fine the people acted as the human shield. After they're free, then we'll talk why there's so much anarchy in Iraq and the rest of the Middle-East region.

In case, you don't have the contact info, this may help

http://www.usdoj.gov/
Email. AskDOJ [at] usdoj.gov

Or by snail mail,
U.S. Department of Justice
Attn: John Ashcroft
950 Pennsylvania Avenue, NW
Washington, DC 20530-0001

Please post and update on Indymedia. Thanks.

A picture is worth a thousand words. Prez Bush meets another of his challenges with ease despite the facts that they're all hauntingly impossible.

"America, we'll be in the red by ONLY $500 billion dollars next year. Hehe."

"Retreat in the face of terror would only invite further and bolder attacks. There will be no retreat," Bush.

A lobbyist, on his way home from work in Washington, D.C., came to a dead halt in traffic and thought to himself, "Wow, this seems worse than usual."

He noticed a police officer walking between the lines of stopped cars, so he rolled down his window and asked, "Officer, what's the hold-up?"

The officer replied, "The President is depressed, so he stopped his motorcade and is threatening to douse himself in gasoline and set himself on fire. He says no one believes his stories about why we went to war in Iraq, or the connection between Saddam and al-Qa'ida, or that his tax cuts will help anyone except his wealthy friends; the press called him on the lie about Iraq trying to buy uranium from Niger, and now Campbell Brown is threatening to sue him for a sexual innuendo he made at a recent press conference. So we're taking up a collection for him."

The lobbyist asks, "How much have you got so far?"

The officer replies, "About 14 gallons, but a lot of folks are still siphoning."

We have all been to those meetings where someone wants you to give

over 100%.

How about achieving 103%?

Here's a little mathematical formula that might help you answer these

questions:

What makes up 100% in life?

If:

A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V W X Y Z

is represented as:

1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26.

Then:

H-A-R-D-W-O-R-K

8+1+18+4+23+15+18+11 = 98%

K-N-O-W-L-E-D-G-E

11+14+15+23+12+5+4+7+5 = 96%

A-T-T-I-T-U-D-E

1+20+20+9+20+21+4 + 5 = 100%

B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T

21+12+12+19+8+9+20 = 103%

AND, look how far ass kissing will take you.

A-S-S--K-I-S-S-I-N-G

1+19+19+11+9+19+19+9+14+7 = 118%

So, one can then conclude with mathematical certainty that:

While, Hard work and Knowledge will get you close,

And Attitude will get you there,

Bullshit and Ass kissing will put you over the top.

stop wasting your time don't you have lives?
especialy you abe!!!!