May 2 Bush Protest

everyone who is against the current sysyem of greed and hipocrisy can activate not only towns as huge of support as san fransisco and so on, i encourage activist to write letters and set up workshops in smaller areas with huge institutions like del norte county, home of pelican state prison.it is these small rual areas and what not that need the real plugging!
wwwtriplicate.com, please reach out beyond your county lines1 fuck all conservative nazi baby killing brainwash!

We need to stop directing our hate through this war. The war is bullshit, but the real object of our protest should be Bush. We don't need to end this war, or rather occupation, so much as we need to get rid of this fascist dictator.
We need to riot until he's removed. They can declare the end of a war, they have to make his removal real.

If you believe that, you're not an anarchist. It is not the man, any man, but the system itself that is our enemy. Besides, Bush is only a front man, a puppet and a figurehead. All real anarchists know this. We also know that protest is not enough.

Wow !!....american policeman look terrible...well, as terrible as the ones we have over here...

I was thinking about the general lack of publicity if US activism over here...apart from Chomsky and his band, we don't know much...we should !!

Try hard guys, resist fascism inside and outside !!

Thanks to all of the anti-Bush protesters who showed up to let Bush know that so many of us *don't* welcome him to California. Thanks for all of the reports and pictures - at least someone is documenting reality, even if the Mercury News and Kron 4 aren't. I love the creativity of the inflatable missle, the yoga activists, masks and signs!

Don't fall into the "great man" trap. Iraq was not Saddam Hussein, the Corporate Masters are not George W. Bush. The problem is not Bush. The problem is: WHAT specifically do we replace our Corporate Masters with?

I'm tired of all this anti-shit. What is the world that we want to see? What is our positive vision of the future? Guess what: Bush and the right wing have a very well-articulated, clear vision of a Rich Corporate Christian White Man's Utopia. That sucks, but we can't do like Groucho Marx, and just say "Whatever it is, I'm against it".

We need a better, more compelling utopian vision of our own. Or even just a practical, realistic one. What's our alternative to Corporate Christian Rule? If we aren't going to subjugate people to get their oil anymore, HOW do we fuel our economy? We have homework to do: as Jello Biafra says, start THINKING like you're in charge of shit, it's good practice, so that when you are, you'll be ready with the answers. In order to inspire any kind of massive change, it has to be a grand, sweeping, daring vision, and implementable in small steps, one person at a time. And "NO WAR" is simply not enough: we need an alternative that is compelling, both emotionally as well as rationally.

May I suggest: http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/ASIN/0712683992/transactionne-21/026-6083972-7655627
and
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/stores/offering/list/-/0684830124/all/ref=dp_pb_a/102-7134795-9228126

We don't need a "great man" (i.e. a Dr. King, a Gandhi, etc) to come up with this either. Any such person would be assassinated within 20 minutes anyway, so it'd just be a waste of time. There's nobody to come riding in on a mythical white horse and save us.

We CAN do it ourselves, in fact, we MUST.

Kind of funny that you talk about thwarting corporate power and envisioning a new world then you link to books on Amazon - one of the many large corporations undercutting independent booksellers for years - so much that its hard to find independents in many places, now.

There is a family in my town of Lancaster, PA - a mother and 5 disabled children. The mom and her late husband could not have kids, so they adopted the 5, ranging in age from 2 through 13. The father was a CFO at a local bank who earned a good living, was charitable, and died of cancer at age 52.

It's common knowledge that the widow and her children are living on the stock portfolio her husband had put together - thankfully - in case any tragedy ever happened.

My concern is, on SFIndy, that people routinely bash 'evil corporations' without thinking about who, in many cases, the owners of the corporations are. This is especially true since the majority of Americans own stock. Aren't we hurting people when we hurt these corporate organizations?

I'm no expert at this stuff, but I thought your question was a fair one and that I would take a shot at responding.

Many of us in the peace movement are trying to target certain corporations (Bechtel, Chevron, Carlyle Group) that are reaping huge profits from this war and from the suffering of people all over the world.

There are corporations so large and powerful that their net worth is greater than some countries. Many of them have used their wealth to subvert the political process so that they can make more wealth at the expense of us, the taxpayers, and the rest of the planet.

When these corporations do well, CEOs make hundreds of millions while the working class (who may own some stocks) get peanuts. When you add in to the equation the damage that the corporations are doing to people all over the world (crushing unions, weakening clean air acts) we really are losing rather than gaining.

There are corporations that you can invest in that are conscientous and not directly profiting from war (and still turn a profit for their investors). Choosing such corporations for our investments is necessary for our survival as well as ethical reasons.

In addition, if more of our tax dollars were going toward supporting social services and our own infrastructure (schools, health care, public benefits) rather than paying off these huge war machines (including the war profiteering companies) then the widow and her kids in PA would not be so dependent on their stock portfolio to get by.

Responding to the verbose and skewed Uptown, I want to express how joyful it was to be
one of the two thousand good citizens at Fridays rally against Bush and his policies. I was the
pudgy grey-haired 73-year-old woman with a sign "No Bushwhacking Social Security." Contrary
to your description of the crowd as suspect and evil, I went alone to the rally and never saw one person I knew. But I never felt lonely or that the crowd was highly organized. What was organized was the huge police force, expecially the horse police whose circling and jumping horses seemed dangerously out of control as they pressed the helpless and off-balanced people backwards against cyclists, curbs, obstructions. (Rumor was that one person was knocked down.) The cruel-faced cops seemed from a fascist state. The protesters seemed to represent sanity. The proudest thing I learned that day: "THIS IS WHAT DEMOCRACY LOOKS LIKE.'"

The great stretches taken by the anti-war effort, e.g. equating Bush with Hitler and this government with fascism, served only to undermine the effort itself. The average American knows that Bush is an elected president for a four year term, bound by constitutional and political restraints.

Ridiculous rhetoric may help get some support in the short run - among ignorant people - but this rhetoric makes its way to the mainstream media and talk radio where it is displayed to intelligent people who routinely reject it.

You know something that many Americans may not - that the U.S. is imperfect and not always noble. However, what you do not know is that the American system has been, second only to Christianity, the greatest force for good the world has ever seen.

Good info on our First Amendment rights which are at stake today.

I think it is important that all protesters are aware of The Project for the New American Century and the crimes of our 'selected' administration. To that end I have set up a site for info at http://www.thefourreasons.org. Peace!

I looked at your website.

You are incorrect to say that the war is illegal under theU.S.C. or the U.N. Charter. In fact, the Charter specifically allows for pre-emptive military action in the name of self-defense.

Nice try at discrediting the peace STOP BUSH NOW movement. You say it is a stretch to compare the Bush administration to Fascism and it shows that you obviously do not know what Fascism is. Mussolini, the creator of Fascsim, called it the corporate state.

There are many symptoms of this administration that paralellel Nazi Germany and Fascism --- totalitarian government (since when does a court elect a president?) and the republicans owning all three branches of government, fervant blind nationalism (what you are calling mainstream America) and Lassiez-faire capitalism (not the same as free enterprise). You show your blissful ignorance by assuming the truth is out of bounds for people to beleive. You are correct -- you are blissfully ignorant as are most Americans as to what is going on and coming down in the good ole USA.

The patriots are fighting off a coup attempt by this administration in a desparate plea to save our great country. You sir are a supporter of the coup, you sir are a danger to our country. Wake up, get educated, know your history and please stop writing off the peace movement as lunacy.
PEACE,
Tivana

50 million people voted for Bush. After he lost the election, Gore sued, eventually dragging the Supreme Court into the case. All the Court did was say that Gore's desire to recount only 3 of the counties was unconstitutional. (subsequent independant recounts showed Gore would not have prevailed anyway.)

You need to get YOUR facts straight.

As far as "Republicans controlling three branches of government", that's not true either, as the justices are unaffiliated. Besides, the reason Republicans are prevailing in the legislative and executive branches is due to the rejection of socialist ideas by the American people.

Why don't you try to persuade voters with ideas instead of all this comic book talk of coups and nazis and mussolini? In the meantime, I'm just glad that most of the country is not being run like California. Those liberals deserve the mess they've elected.

Read here and learn more about the rich Palestinian culture and traditions. We should adopt them in San Francisco.

I am starting a petition to create a law to allow this practice in California - to promote diversity and multi-culturalism. The rights of Palestinians living in San Francisco are being oppressed.

"...but this rhetoric makes its way to the mainstream media and talk radio where it is displayed to intelligent people who routinely reject it."

You just lost all of your credibility. "Intelligent" people don't listen to mainstream media and AM talk radio. I know that's a difficult concept for you to grasp, you dittohead, you.

I work in an office with about 100 very intelligent people who read and watch mainstream media, listen to talk radio, and also read alternative news sources, both online and off. Almost to a person, the ideas of liberals and socialists are examined and rejected as panaceas.

Further, I do not listen to Rush Limbaugh, as you assert.

Yesterday, during lunch, I was at a speech by the head of the FDA, Dr. Mark McClellan, where he discussed the risks of healthcare nationalization on innovative science. Where were you getting your information? At a coffee shop?

Thanks for watching! Bill and Sean send their best wishes.

Would you like an autographed "The O'Reilly Factor" windbreaker? How about a baseball cap?

Y'all is some clever sumbiches on this here sight! Fer a minute, I reckoned I was postin with Bill O'Reilly hisself. Gosh dangit, you got me there!

I don't watch Hannity or O'Reilly, moron. I guarantee the range of opinion and news I peruse is much greater than yours.

Go get a latte.

Way to go. Whenever we conservatives have nothing intelligent to say, we can always resort to hurling childish insults. Great job!

"Fer a minute, I reckoned I was postin with Bill O'Reilly hisself."

Wow. I actually found someone who's dumber than me!

Look up from your Rolling Stone magazine toward the top. That's when I was making points. These posts at the bottom are for the kid who just got home from high school and keeps posing as Fox, O'Reilly and our president (through 2008).

With all your whit and charm, I'm surprised you didn't have more success stopping the war. Oh well, I'm sure your peace-posing got you laid by dumb college girls...

Would you like your subscription renewed?

This must be a mistake! I do not subscribe to your magazine.

This does, however, explain why I had not heard about the nazi takeover of our country until I tuned in to SFIndymedia. I will check out your magazine today. I'm guessing it's a lot like this website, but with more pictures.

No, it's nothing like this website. Our tabloid has no real news whatsoever. Just pablum for imbeciles like you.

I think you're as confused as a liberal who advocates gun control but opposes disarming mass-murdering dictators.

Which pablum can I get from your magazine?

Pablum:
1 : FOOD; especially : a suspension or solution of nutrients in a state suitable for absorption
2 : intellectual sustenance
3 : something (as writing or speech) that is insipid, simplistic, or bland

(I hope it's food - I'm pretty hungry after a long day at work. Thank goodness this S&P 500 company pays me enough to afford whatever food item our American economy and world trade can produce. Otherwise, I'd have to stand in line to get my pablums from socialists like yourself who want to control the means of production so we can all be equally miserable.)

entry found for pablum.
pab·lum ( P ) Pronunciation Key (pblm)
n.
Trite, insipid, or simplistic writing, speech, or conceptualization: “We have to settle for the pablum that passes for the inside dope” (Julie Salamon).

You're a typical conservative. You can't even use a DICTIONARY! You are PROOF that it does not take brains to work at an S&P 500 company. The only thing you have to be skilled at is boot-licking and saying "yes, sir!"

You're a typical liberal. You don't fully research the issues before you head down to the coffee shop to criticize conservatives.

HA! HA!

What are you using, the New York Times Dictionary. Come on, you should get down to a library sometime.

That's the last laugh.

I'm AT a library, you buffoon. Not that you've ever stepped foot in one! You may take your foot out of your mouth now.

Yes, sir! Would you like your boots licked, sir?

Do you always have conversations with yourself?

If a majority own stock, it's barely that -- right around 50%. Most own little if anything though, and the richest 1% own fully half of all corporate stock.

Would you be in favor of a government backed program that enabled more working people to own more stock? For example - a program that gave working people tax deductions for investing?