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Undercover Cops Confirmed
Notes about confirmed undercover police officers, one pictured.
3/20/03 between 7 and 8 PM
Market Street - San Francisco
The man in this picture, who identified himself to me only as "Wallace", is an undercover police officer. I asked him the simple question "Do you work for a law enforcement agency?", and he quickly steered the subject to how I must have something to hide to ask a stranger a question like that. I repeated the question, and he said "Thats none of your business". I asked if he could tell me he did not work in law enforcement, and he said he could not. He then began grilling me about the first amendment, and said he thought he believed in it "more than [I] did". He brought up the age old "yelling fire in a crowded theater" argument, and attempted to bait me into saying that protesters were overstepping their 1st amendment rights (by insisting that he actually believed in a more 'absolute' free speech... bizarre). He was generally polite, as was I, though he did say he thought it was a shame that "these people make our city unlivable". He asked if I was "with these protesters", and a said I was a member of the public.
Earlier in the evening, I had another affirmative reply to my "do you work in law enforcement?" query. Unfortunately the man turned his back and ran off before I could get a photo. I had previously overheard him on his cellphone reporting that it was "gonna get ugly down here", and saw him and other (presumably) undercover agents trying to direct a crowd as if they protesters themselves. Not surprisingly, they attempted to navigate the bay-bridge-bound group of people back towards market (This, along with the phone call, prompted me to suspect the man who I later confirmed, by asking, was law enforcement).
People protesting need to be aware that there _are_ plainclothes police among us at these events. As far as I know, they are not legally allowed to lie if you ask them (though I am not a lawyer, and if anyone has any links to more definite info please post a comment). It's not hard to pick out people to ask; they're the ones misdirecting, talking into sleeves, and doing silly fed-givaway type things. Take more pictures, and point them out to others. You'll be surprised how many you spot once you're looking.
Market Street - San Francisco
The man in this picture, who identified himself to me only as "Wallace", is an undercover police officer. I asked him the simple question "Do you work for a law enforcement agency?", and he quickly steered the subject to how I must have something to hide to ask a stranger a question like that. I repeated the question, and he said "Thats none of your business". I asked if he could tell me he did not work in law enforcement, and he said he could not. He then began grilling me about the first amendment, and said he thought he believed in it "more than [I] did". He brought up the age old "yelling fire in a crowded theater" argument, and attempted to bait me into saying that protesters were overstepping their 1st amendment rights (by insisting that he actually believed in a more 'absolute' free speech... bizarre). He was generally polite, as was I, though he did say he thought it was a shame that "these people make our city unlivable". He asked if I was "with these protesters", and a said I was a member of the public.
Earlier in the evening, I had another affirmative reply to my "do you work in law enforcement?" query. Unfortunately the man turned his back and ran off before I could get a photo. I had previously overheard him on his cellphone reporting that it was "gonna get ugly down here", and saw him and other (presumably) undercover agents trying to direct a crowd as if they protesters themselves. Not surprisingly, they attempted to navigate the bay-bridge-bound group of people back towards market (This, along with the phone call, prompted me to suspect the man who I later confirmed, by asking, was law enforcement).
People protesting need to be aware that there _are_ plainclothes police among us at these events. As far as I know, they are not legally allowed to lie if you ask them (though I am not a lawyer, and if anyone has any links to more definite info please post a comment). It's not hard to pick out people to ask; they're the ones misdirecting, talking into sleeves, and doing silly fed-givaway type things. Take more pictures, and point them out to others. You'll be surprised how many you spot once you're looking.
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Cops are legally allowed to lie to you. Why he didn't just say no, I don't understand, maybe because everyone has a natural aversion to lying.
the undercovers do lie, but not always. they are terribly afraid of cameras-- maybe try getting shots before asking questions...?
they ARE out there, though, and they have cameras, too. know who you are with and following, and be careful!
they ARE out there, though, and they have cameras, too. know who you are with and following, and be careful!
That's right. The worst thing that can happen to an undercover agent, whether they are police, secret service, FBI etc., is to have their picture taken and pastered all over the media. Go for it!
Anti-war protestors in the UK earlier stopped the London to Glasgow train, by sitting in front of it when it was stopped at a station.
They moved when several Glasgow football supporters, travelling to watch their team, had an err, polite word with them.
People outside the UK may not know that Glasgow is a tough city, and it is generally best not to annoy football fans there.
They moved when several Glasgow football supporters, travelling to watch their team, had an err, polite word with them.
People outside the UK may not know that Glasgow is a tough city, and it is generally best not to annoy football fans there.
For more information:
http://Anti-war protestors in the UK earli...
That's not "Wallace" man...and he's no cop. He was just screwing with you - the guy is a computer geek named Kirby...He works in my building...you idiot.
You are sooooooo lame. Cops R everywhere....whooooooooooo...are they beaming radio waves into your brain from City Hall too?
You are sooooooo lame. Cops R everywhere....whooooooooooo...are they beaming radio waves into your brain from City Hall too?
maybe he's a cop, maybe he's a computer guy. the point is that he earned a snapshot by refusing to state he wasnt in law enforcement.
only thing worse than a cop is a wannabe cop.
only thing worse than a cop is a wannabe cop.
Damn a vast majority of police officers make it a shame to be part of the bay area community. How dare we employ some uneducated people to keep order in the city. Some of these police officers have a really bad temper, psychological problems, and some are even alcoholics who maltreat their family. Some of these cops, which are spread all over the U.S.A., even take full advantage of their so called "power" to be bias towards the community...that is..........those to who pay to have these cowards work for them. Instead of getting protection, some give attitudes. It is such a shame. Especially when our own San Francisco chief of police tries to cover mal practice of his police officers. I wonder if he would have done the same if his kid was the one beaten by San Francisco police officers. Gee what an embarrasement. How can we have uneducated people run our city???? Why????
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