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If your eyes have been working in the first place,you would have noticed that your leader saddam is a "NUT",and if you had a brain you would moved to another country far far away from saddam insane. it sucks to come down to war,but the people of iraq are scared of there leader,so were happy to remove that NUTTY BASTERD for the people of iraq
You people posting should be ashamed to call yourself civilized. No human life is more valuable than another. No matter what the ends, the means are corrupt (from both sides). We need to break this cycle of violence. I may not change the world, but I can prevent the world (and people like you for ex.) from changing me.
he got what was coming to him!
AT LEAST HE'S STILL ALIVE, ANYWAYS WE GAVE THEM PLENTY OF TIME TO VACATE THE AREA. BEFORE ANY U.S CITIZEN BEGINS TO FEEL PITY, I HOPE THEY REMEMBER SEPT 11. WE RECIEVED NO WARNING AND MANY AMERICANS LOST MORE THAN THERE VISION. THE HELL WITH IRAQ.
I was searching for pictures of victims of war and terrorism.... I was wondering.... where on your site are the pictures of the 3,000 Americans who were killed in the WTC? I heard all those fotos of Americans who fell or jumped and actually melted into the pavement were pretty interesting. Yet you seem not to have documented these deaths. WHY?
COuld it be because you are brainwashed cretins? Ahhh.... OK.... I understand.
Well, you may have forgotten, but the 2/3 of the AMerican public who are for going after Saddam, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER.
REMEMBER THE WORLD TRADE CENTER!
DEATH TO SADDAM!
COuld it be because you are brainwashed cretins? Ahhh.... OK.... I understand.
Well, you may have forgotten, but the 2/3 of the AMerican public who are for going after Saddam, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER.
REMEMBER THE WORLD TRADE CENTER!
DEATH TO SADDAM!
I was searching for pictures of victims of war and terrorism.... I was wondering.... where on your site are the pictures of the 3,000 Americans who were killed in the WTC? I heard all those fotos of Americans who fell or jumped and actually melted into the pavement were pretty interesting. Yet you seem not to have documented these deaths. WHY?
COuld it be because you are brainwashed cretins? Ahhh.... OK.... I understand.
Well, you may have forgotten, but the 2/3 of the AMerican public who are for going after Saddam, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER.
REMEMBER THE WORLD TRADE CENTER!
DEATH TO SADDAM!
COuld it be because you are brainwashed cretins? Ahhh.... OK.... I understand.
Well, you may have forgotten, but the 2/3 of the AMerican public who are for going after Saddam, Hamas, Islamic Jihad, etc WILL ALWAYS REMEMBER.
REMEMBER THE WORLD TRADE CENTER!
DEATH TO SADDAM!
Most of the comments here represent the most vile, heinous, insensitive aspects of humanity. Troglodytes like you are responsible for the vast majority of human suffering. Maybe in another time, another place, bad fortune will cause YOU to find yourself with your eyes scorched from your skull, and maybe, just maybe, in spite of the loss (and by the grace of God) you will "see" just how errant you have been.
ps...there is absolutely NO data that suggests any linkage between Saddam's Iraq and Al-Qaeda. Liberate yourself with the truth, or find yourself forever damned by lies.
ps...there is absolutely NO data that suggests any linkage between Saddam's Iraq and Al-Qaeda. Liberate yourself with the truth, or find yourself forever damned by lies.
Where are the WTC pics, you ask?
Of what relevance are they? Oh, that's right - you actually believe that Saddam and Iraqi citizens were responsible for the WTC tragedy.
If you seriously believe that, time to get your head checked out.
Of what relevance are they? Oh, that's right - you actually believe that Saddam and Iraqi citizens were responsible for the WTC tragedy.
If you seriously believe that, time to get your head checked out.
I am disgusted that the people who have posted do not merely see that they are stooping to the same level as the terrorists.
May I ask you for one thing? Proof that the people killed in the photos have any envolvement whatsoever with the attacks on September 11th?
Saddam is being invaded for his weapons of mass destrucion, sold to him by the US in the 80's.
Before you try to justify war, which I find impossible, at least try to get some facts right.
May I ask you for one thing? Proof that the people killed in the photos have any envolvement whatsoever with the attacks on September 11th?
Saddam is being invaded for his weapons of mass destrucion, sold to him by the US in the 80's.
Before you try to justify war, which I find impossible, at least try to get some facts right.
I dont want to get into the whole thing whether this war is just or not, but Im am really sick of hearing Americans (yes Im American) rant on how everyone else should pay because of 9/11. Just because terrorist attacked us once doesnt give us the right to use it as an excuse to kill as many people as we see fit. And just because Iraq got a warning that we are going to bomb them doesnt mean they will leave there houses, leave there lives, because we feel like pushing other people around.
Before you say how evil Saddam and the Iraqi government is, take a look at what we are doing. We are bombing a country because Bush and his administration doesnt like the people running the government. Well I dont like the people running this government and Im sure other countries arnt happy that we start bombing people on a whim. We are now just as much as a threat to the rest of the world as Saddam was to us. If not more seeing how have the technology to "reach out and touch" any part of this world with out weapons. I dont see any of Saddams weapons being able to fly over the Atlantic to hit us, so how is he a threat?
Before you say how evil Saddam and the Iraqi government is, take a look at what we are doing. We are bombing a country because Bush and his administration doesnt like the people running the government. Well I dont like the people running this government and Im sure other countries arnt happy that we start bombing people on a whim. We are now just as much as a threat to the rest of the world as Saddam was to us. If not more seeing how have the technology to "reach out and touch" any part of this world with out weapons. I dont see any of Saddams weapons being able to fly over the Atlantic to hit us, so how is he a threat?
I AM A BRIT.I AM ASHAMED OF BLAIR.I AM ASHAMED THAT HE HELPED BUSH.......BUSH's ACTION IS AN INSULT THE THE PEOPLE WHO DIED IN WTC. BIN LADEN MUST BE LAUGHING HIS SOCKS OFF.BUSH HAS FALLEN INTO THE TRAP HE SET..............A CURSE ON ALL OUR HOUSES.
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http://everton.blogspot.com
Proud American,
I got your WTC photos! I forget them at your mothers house last night. Would have brought them with me but the way in which she took a fist in her ass was so impressive I forget to take them off her dresser. Oh yea, I found your class ring while fishing around her snatch, you want it back? Smells pretty bad now though.
I got your WTC photos! I forget them at your mothers house last night. Would have brought them with me but the way in which she took a fist in her ass was so impressive I forget to take them off her dresser. Oh yea, I found your class ring while fishing around her snatch, you want it back? Smells pretty bad now though.
I find that there seem to be many people who believe that death, or worse, is not an unreasonable consequence for being wrong. That the Iraqis somehow deserve whatever they get. From that I come to two conclusions:
1. the people who believe this way have never been wrong.
2. how wrong were the people in the WTC on 9/11?
I don't know what is right. I don't hold myself out to be the one right person or even smart enough to pick the right side. What I do believe is that given the WHOLE TRUTH, all of us humans are capable of coming up with good solutions. Unfortunately, our political leadership is afraid that, given that truth, we won't agree with them so we don't have it. Still 40% of Americans believe that Saddam Hussain had something to do with the attack on 9/11. Europe and the rest of the civilized world is still perplexed about that fantasy.
All of us who are patriotic owe it to our Democracy to become informed about what is hapenning. We must recognize, as did Thomas Jefferson and others that the government that is not scrutiized and threatened with rebellion is not going to act in our best interests.
Get involved! Get informed!! then VOTE!
1. the people who believe this way have never been wrong.
2. how wrong were the people in the WTC on 9/11?
I don't know what is right. I don't hold myself out to be the one right person or even smart enough to pick the right side. What I do believe is that given the WHOLE TRUTH, all of us humans are capable of coming up with good solutions. Unfortunately, our political leadership is afraid that, given that truth, we won't agree with them so we don't have it. Still 40% of Americans believe that Saddam Hussain had something to do with the attack on 9/11. Europe and the rest of the civilized world is still perplexed about that fantasy.
All of us who are patriotic owe it to our Democracy to become informed about what is hapenning. We must recognize, as did Thomas Jefferson and others that the government that is not scrutiized and threatened with rebellion is not going to act in our best interests.
Get involved! Get informed!! then VOTE!
i think that YOU are the one that's been brainwashed... by our corrupt government. the bush administration had more to do with 9/11 than saddam did. and now the administration is using those 3000 american victims to justify further terrorist activity. what is happening in baghdad now is no better than what happened to NYC. let me break it down for you: COWARDS ARE SLINGING MISSILES FROM HALF WAY AROUND THE WORLD, CLAIMING CIVILIAN LIVES. sounds like terrorism to me. think about that. and the media advertising that "'the big boom' is still to come, so be sure to tune in" makes me ill. this isn't entertainment... this is real, and people are dying. wake up america -- only the rich will get richer off of this needless political war.
Lord here come the patriotic Amerikkkans. Hmm.. I don't see what relevance sept 11 has to kiling Iraqis. Iraqis haven't supported terrorism since the 80's and there is no proof of any link between al-quida and Saddam or his regime. You may as well be screaming about perl harbour or the alamo. It has no relevance except the similarity that innocent people died. If you are upset because you feel 911 was unjust than why not feel the same for the citizens of Iraq? Or does the color of their skin bother you?
The main reason we are in Iraq is to establish the footwork for the empire. Him being a tyrant is just a convenience and the simplest place to start. This is a war that has been in the making for the past 10 years by neo-conservative think tanks. Here is a good article that might help the people posting here that seem to think this about terrorism or even WMD for that matter. What a joke. Kuwait isn't even afraid of Saddam and we are thousands of mile away waging a war against him. Cowards and cooks!
http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/opinion/0902/29bookman.html
The main reason we are in Iraq is to establish the footwork for the empire. Him being a tyrant is just a convenience and the simplest place to start. This is a war that has been in the making for the past 10 years by neo-conservative think tanks. Here is a good article that might help the people posting here that seem to think this about terrorism or even WMD for that matter. What a joke. Kuwait isn't even afraid of Saddam and we are thousands of mile away waging a war against him. Cowards and cooks!
http://www.accessatlanta.com/ajc/opinion/0902/29bookman.html
Not a single Iraqi was involved in 9/11 in any way. Most of them were Saudis. Why aren't we bombing Saudi Arabia? Could it be because the Bushes and the Bin Ladins are in the oil biz together?
I am tired of complaining from people who insist that there is no link between Saddam and al Queda. There is. It is called,
CIA black budget funding.
My Canadian government has foolishly decided not to endorse the realization of the PNAC, or pax Americana. As France's 'french fries' have already learned, US retaliation can be swift, and mean. It turns out our precious national bird that migrates South each year, will no longer be known as the Canada goose. US congress intends to re-name it, the Freedom goose.
CIA black budget funding.
My Canadian government has foolishly decided not to endorse the realization of the PNAC, or pax Americana. As France's 'french fries' have already learned, US retaliation can be swift, and mean. It turns out our precious national bird that migrates South each year, will no longer be known as the Canada goose. US congress intends to re-name it, the Freedom goose.
If you are truly against cowards killing innocents:
Why do you make the Bush administration out to be the bad guy. If you would educate yourself, you would learn that this attach is being launched to snuff a tyrrant who has slaughtered 10's of thousands of innocents. It's not being waged against the Iraqi ppl although in war some will die. This blood is in Saddam's hands for his actions.
If you think this war is about oil:
The Iraqi ppl will be able to self govern in a peacable environment after the war instead of an oprressive one. The oil that Iraq has WILL be put into a trust and it will be owned by the Iraqi ppl. When has American ever planted our flag in a country and controlled it? NEVER! We want countries to be stable and peaceful. We don't care to control or dominate their destinies.
WAKE UP PEOPLE! PLEASE! Stop hating your country because you think that's the cool position to take!
Dear "The Truth",
Please read this carefully and try to understand.
First of all, very few Americans hate the United States. The vast majority of us are patriots (yes, the "P" word) who love our country so much, that we can't stand to see a dyslexic frat-boy surrounded by a coterie of bloodthirsty neo-fascist thugs profane the blood of true Americans who died so that America could become a shining beacon of democracy and liberty. We salute the flag and the constitution with the same hand, and will not sit idly by while ANYONE shows disrespect for either.
The undeniable fact that faces us all now, and over which there is so much turmoil, is that our once proud, freedom-loving nation is being led by an administration that has boldly and arrogantly asserted its right to play by its own rules and ignore the United Nations in order to punish a petty despot (and thousands of innocent civilians) for ignoring the United Nations! And all done under the guise of moral certainty without a shred of credible evidence. I never thought I'd live to see such a dark and twisted day as this, and I know that many of my fellow Americans share this sentiment.
Before spouting off about "liberating" the Iraqi people from a tyrannical despot and promising to put Iraqi oil revenues into a "trust" for the Iraqi people, you should understand a couple of things:
No-one can deny that Saddam Hussein is a violent, megalomaniacal SOB. However, he is also an important lynchpin of security in the middle east. His rule with an iron fist has brought relative peace to a country where a boiling cauldron of ethnic and religious rivalries threatens to destabilize the entire region. Watch and see if it's as easy as you think to bring democracy to Iraq.
And while I'm on the subject, take a long, hard look at Afghanistan. Remember Afghanistan? Bush promised democracy and nation-building for them, too. So far, they're being "ruled" by a Unocal-affiliated US puppet that has to be escorted around by a large, armed guard to keep his own people from killing him. He must be real popular! 10,000 innocent, dirt-poor Afghanis are dead from American taxpayer-bought weapons, and just how much "aid" did ole Dubya write into the 2003 budget for Afghanistan? $0. So the country is being ravaged by competing warlords, and the heroin industry is off the scales due to the recultivation of Afghan poppy fields. No democracy in Afghanistan, no aid for Afghanistan. Time and time again, wherever the US leaves its imperial footprint, war, chaos and misery ensues. Not exactly encouraging as far as Iraq is concerned, is it?
The other thing you need to ask yourself is this: What sort of example has the US set by pre-emptively attacking another nation, which all the best evidence indicates is no threat to the US whatsoever? Have you ever taken a course in world history? Do you remember anything that happened in 1939? Have you given even one iota of thought to how this has irreparably damaged US esteem and legitimacy on the world stage?
Finally, as to this oil "trust" for the Iraqi people. The administration has already freely admitted that Iraqi oil revenues will be used to defray the cost of the war. That's right. The Iraqis will be paying for a long time for the bombs and cruise missiles that are right now incinerating their children and demolishing their homes.
If you're really interested in "the Truth", please take the time to educate yourself. Pay attention to what is being reported in the foreign media. Tuning in to CNN and regurgitating the propaganda you absorb simply won't cut it.
Please read this carefully and try to understand.
First of all, very few Americans hate the United States. The vast majority of us are patriots (yes, the "P" word) who love our country so much, that we can't stand to see a dyslexic frat-boy surrounded by a coterie of bloodthirsty neo-fascist thugs profane the blood of true Americans who died so that America could become a shining beacon of democracy and liberty. We salute the flag and the constitution with the same hand, and will not sit idly by while ANYONE shows disrespect for either.
The undeniable fact that faces us all now, and over which there is so much turmoil, is that our once proud, freedom-loving nation is being led by an administration that has boldly and arrogantly asserted its right to play by its own rules and ignore the United Nations in order to punish a petty despot (and thousands of innocent civilians) for ignoring the United Nations! And all done under the guise of moral certainty without a shred of credible evidence. I never thought I'd live to see such a dark and twisted day as this, and I know that many of my fellow Americans share this sentiment.
Before spouting off about "liberating" the Iraqi people from a tyrannical despot and promising to put Iraqi oil revenues into a "trust" for the Iraqi people, you should understand a couple of things:
No-one can deny that Saddam Hussein is a violent, megalomaniacal SOB. However, he is also an important lynchpin of security in the middle east. His rule with an iron fist has brought relative peace to a country where a boiling cauldron of ethnic and religious rivalries threatens to destabilize the entire region. Watch and see if it's as easy as you think to bring democracy to Iraq.
And while I'm on the subject, take a long, hard look at Afghanistan. Remember Afghanistan? Bush promised democracy and nation-building for them, too. So far, they're being "ruled" by a Unocal-affiliated US puppet that has to be escorted around by a large, armed guard to keep his own people from killing him. He must be real popular! 10,000 innocent, dirt-poor Afghanis are dead from American taxpayer-bought weapons, and just how much "aid" did ole Dubya write into the 2003 budget for Afghanistan? $0. So the country is being ravaged by competing warlords, and the heroin industry is off the scales due to the recultivation of Afghan poppy fields. No democracy in Afghanistan, no aid for Afghanistan. Time and time again, wherever the US leaves its imperial footprint, war, chaos and misery ensues. Not exactly encouraging as far as Iraq is concerned, is it?
The other thing you need to ask yourself is this: What sort of example has the US set by pre-emptively attacking another nation, which all the best evidence indicates is no threat to the US whatsoever? Have you ever taken a course in world history? Do you remember anything that happened in 1939? Have you given even one iota of thought to how this has irreparably damaged US esteem and legitimacy on the world stage?
Finally, as to this oil "trust" for the Iraqi people. The administration has already freely admitted that Iraqi oil revenues will be used to defray the cost of the war. That's right. The Iraqis will be paying for a long time for the bombs and cruise missiles that are right now incinerating their children and demolishing their homes.
If you're really interested in "the Truth", please take the time to educate yourself. Pay attention to what is being reported in the foreign media. Tuning in to CNN and regurgitating the propaganda you absorb simply won't cut it.
Yes, Saddam is a nutcase. So was Khadafi, and he didn't die. Just some of his people. So was Noriega, and he didn't die, just some of his people. As was Ferdinand Marcos, slaughterer of thousands, pillager of his nations' funds. How did he wind up? In Hawaiian exile, facilitated by the US. Key root word in that previous sentence? Facile. The real difference? Not enough oil. No strategic control. Still one of the boys though, so, 'Party in Maui'.
Yes, I am against a tyrant killing innocents but bombing a nation of innocents is no way to rectify that situation. In answer to your question, "The Truth", one of the countless reasons Bush is a bad guy is because he is enacting the role placed before him by his daddy and Messrs. Cheney, and Wolfowitz. ( I hope the French reference pisses you off) and the other goons who drew this thing up years ago in a little paper called, 'The Project for a New American Century'. It's main goal is to establish a global empire under which all other nations will bend. Look it up. Read it. Combine that with Brzezinski's 'The Grand Chessboard', and it's all pretty much laid out.
You are right in saying that the tyrant Saddam must be snuffed, but Reagan should have thought of that before his gang sold him the weapons. And the anthrax. Oh, right, he said he would use it against Iran, America's enemy du jour. (Another French reference) Gee whiz, nobody squawked about all those deaths under Saddam at the time they were happening. Why do you suppose that was the case? You're right! Reagan's envoy to Baghdad enabled Hussein to get away with it. Who was that envoy? I'm not sure it matters now, but his name is, Donald Rumsfeld. Sound familiar? How's your sense of irony doing? The point is it's all about money and control. Under a totalitarian regime.
Do you know where 'Shock and Awe' comes from? How about, 'Homeland'- as in Homeland security? How about the fake alerts that go along with it that miraculously co-incide with any dip in the leader's popularity? How about the removal of freedom of speech, while allegedly fighting to retain freedom? Those poor Dixie Chicks. (How dare they and Steve Earle have an opinion that doesn't concur with Hannity, Colmes and O'Reilly.) How about establishing a snitch campaign to rat out dissenters? Those ideas were all fully implemented by 3rd Reich Germany. Educate yourself.
Now hang on there, don't get all steamed up. I'm not comparing GW to Hitler. That's not really possible- because Hitler's father wasn't an arms dealer. Bush the wannabe octogenarian, however, is. As senior advisor of the multi-billion dollar Carlyle Group, he profits from every bullet and bomb that bangs it's way into another residential neighbourhood. Look it up. Get your local news station to do a story on that as a 'human interest piece'. Good luck with that. No media source wants to distance themselves from Bush's favour in case he, riding the popularity of a Gulf War 2 victory, actually wins his next election. The fact remains: whenever an Arab body hits the ground, the Bush clan can almost hear the cha-ching sound of a cash register. When Poppy dies, guess who will inherit most of that green? Ol' GW, that's who. If there was a shred of decency in any of them, they'd front at least a billion of that dosh over to the now-silent brother, Neil. Then he could pay back the taxpayers after that 1980's Silverado Savings and Loans boondoggle he sucked people into. Apparently scum runs family deep. And by that I am not slamming the often drunk Bush twin daughters. If my daddy was governer with the highest rate of executions, I'd be hammered most of the time too.
[John Major, former Brit PM is also a Carlyle member. I'm sure that could have something to do with why Tony Blair is in the shitter right now with his supposed left wing, gov't, in goosestep with the Bush clan despite cabinet ministers quitting their posts. But I digress...]
The death of just one Iraqi, especially when you know it will not be Saddam, will inflame other Muslims, some of which may carry out terrorist attacks. The Bush team knows that, and does not care. Further attacks will proffer further liberty restrictions. That means the terrorists have indeed changed America's way of life.
And about Iraqi's oil wells being put in trust? Dream.
Under whose authority?
You ask, when has the American flag ever been planted in a country and controlled that country? This is where you must be joking. Let's start with... America. It's not really Thanksgiving, it's Thanks-taking. From the Indians. Now let's move forward, not necessarily in chronological order. You like Mexico? You take Mexico. How about those Phillipines? Lots of gold for you there. Hawaii? It's yours! Okay maybe the flag doesn't get planted everywhere, except for Guam and Cuba and Puerto Rico, but sometimes it's even sneakier not to. Here's a good way to control a nation, without planting the flag: Set yourself up as 51% controlling interest in the International Monetary Fund, and hold poverty stricken countries accountable to massive loans they can never repay, by leveraging one of their major natural resources as collateral! No flag, but lots of control.
Will you actually think about this stuff, or just toss these facts aside? They're all researchable, so help yourself.
Either way, I have no quarrel with most people. Not at all. Governments perform a a sick coup detat (those French again) just about everywhere. I do resent that pointing out that George Bush is bad news, can leave one painted as anti-American. If I send back a poorly prepared meal at a restaurant, it doesn't mean I'm anti-food. It means, take this shit back to the kitchen, and get it right next time. And that's what has to happen to Bush. He has to be sent back to Texas, and get the guy voted for next time.
Look, America is a great land, full of fantastic people. But they are getting reamed in the public opinion of the world because none of those fantastic people holds office. And whenever they do, they're never too far away from a plane crash. EVERYBODY wanted to help you guys after 911. Friends of mine in allowed a family to stay in their home for days, when North America was a no-fly zone. But the Cheney clan has fucked that up. Knowingly. And things will not rectify, until there is a regime change. In D.C. So figure out a way to do it.
You seem a passionate sort, and I think your heart is in the right place. Why don't you fix things by running for president?
Here's a checklist of things you'll need to pull that off...
1) Already be a millionaire.
2) Be related by blood to the British(German) royal family.
3) Be able to tell the populace what they want to hear,
and then abandon those claims later on.
4) Be devoid of scruples.
5) Lose no sleep over being paid off by big business lobbyists to enact laws that will foul the environment.
Give it a whirl.
And one more thing about the French...
If you're one of those geeks forwarding a petition to send the Statue of Liberty back to France, forget it. It's too strong a symbolic statement of 'giving away your freedom' for even Pennsylvania Ave. to allow. Although I'm sure they got a chuckle from the irony of that notion. Besides, it wasn't really a gift from France, but from the Masons of France. Complete with illuminated torch, standing on the same Masonic sun that is under the Champs Elysees Arch. Might as well enjoy it while you can still pretend it's a gift.
See if you can't shut down that Fourth Reich you've got going over there from within,
Cheers,
A
Yes, I am against a tyrant killing innocents but bombing a nation of innocents is no way to rectify that situation. In answer to your question, "The Truth", one of the countless reasons Bush is a bad guy is because he is enacting the role placed before him by his daddy and Messrs. Cheney, and Wolfowitz. ( I hope the French reference pisses you off) and the other goons who drew this thing up years ago in a little paper called, 'The Project for a New American Century'. It's main goal is to establish a global empire under which all other nations will bend. Look it up. Read it. Combine that with Brzezinski's 'The Grand Chessboard', and it's all pretty much laid out.
You are right in saying that the tyrant Saddam must be snuffed, but Reagan should have thought of that before his gang sold him the weapons. And the anthrax. Oh, right, he said he would use it against Iran, America's enemy du jour. (Another French reference) Gee whiz, nobody squawked about all those deaths under Saddam at the time they were happening. Why do you suppose that was the case? You're right! Reagan's envoy to Baghdad enabled Hussein to get away with it. Who was that envoy? I'm not sure it matters now, but his name is, Donald Rumsfeld. Sound familiar? How's your sense of irony doing? The point is it's all about money and control. Under a totalitarian regime.
Do you know where 'Shock and Awe' comes from? How about, 'Homeland'- as in Homeland security? How about the fake alerts that go along with it that miraculously co-incide with any dip in the leader's popularity? How about the removal of freedom of speech, while allegedly fighting to retain freedom? Those poor Dixie Chicks. (How dare they and Steve Earle have an opinion that doesn't concur with Hannity, Colmes and O'Reilly.) How about establishing a snitch campaign to rat out dissenters? Those ideas were all fully implemented by 3rd Reich Germany. Educate yourself.
Now hang on there, don't get all steamed up. I'm not comparing GW to Hitler. That's not really possible- because Hitler's father wasn't an arms dealer. Bush the wannabe octogenarian, however, is. As senior advisor of the multi-billion dollar Carlyle Group, he profits from every bullet and bomb that bangs it's way into another residential neighbourhood. Look it up. Get your local news station to do a story on that as a 'human interest piece'. Good luck with that. No media source wants to distance themselves from Bush's favour in case he, riding the popularity of a Gulf War 2 victory, actually wins his next election. The fact remains: whenever an Arab body hits the ground, the Bush clan can almost hear the cha-ching sound of a cash register. When Poppy dies, guess who will inherit most of that green? Ol' GW, that's who. If there was a shred of decency in any of them, they'd front at least a billion of that dosh over to the now-silent brother, Neil. Then he could pay back the taxpayers after that 1980's Silverado Savings and Loans boondoggle he sucked people into. Apparently scum runs family deep. And by that I am not slamming the often drunk Bush twin daughters. If my daddy was governer with the highest rate of executions, I'd be hammered most of the time too.
[John Major, former Brit PM is also a Carlyle member. I'm sure that could have something to do with why Tony Blair is in the shitter right now with his supposed left wing, gov't, in goosestep with the Bush clan despite cabinet ministers quitting their posts. But I digress...]
The death of just one Iraqi, especially when you know it will not be Saddam, will inflame other Muslims, some of which may carry out terrorist attacks. The Bush team knows that, and does not care. Further attacks will proffer further liberty restrictions. That means the terrorists have indeed changed America's way of life.
And about Iraqi's oil wells being put in trust? Dream.
Under whose authority?
You ask, when has the American flag ever been planted in a country and controlled that country? This is where you must be joking. Let's start with... America. It's not really Thanksgiving, it's Thanks-taking. From the Indians. Now let's move forward, not necessarily in chronological order. You like Mexico? You take Mexico. How about those Phillipines? Lots of gold for you there. Hawaii? It's yours! Okay maybe the flag doesn't get planted everywhere, except for Guam and Cuba and Puerto Rico, but sometimes it's even sneakier not to. Here's a good way to control a nation, without planting the flag: Set yourself up as 51% controlling interest in the International Monetary Fund, and hold poverty stricken countries accountable to massive loans they can never repay, by leveraging one of their major natural resources as collateral! No flag, but lots of control.
Will you actually think about this stuff, or just toss these facts aside? They're all researchable, so help yourself.
Either way, I have no quarrel with most people. Not at all. Governments perform a a sick coup detat (those French again) just about everywhere. I do resent that pointing out that George Bush is bad news, can leave one painted as anti-American. If I send back a poorly prepared meal at a restaurant, it doesn't mean I'm anti-food. It means, take this shit back to the kitchen, and get it right next time. And that's what has to happen to Bush. He has to be sent back to Texas, and get the guy voted for next time.
Look, America is a great land, full of fantastic people. But they are getting reamed in the public opinion of the world because none of those fantastic people holds office. And whenever they do, they're never too far away from a plane crash. EVERYBODY wanted to help you guys after 911. Friends of mine in allowed a family to stay in their home for days, when North America was a no-fly zone. But the Cheney clan has fucked that up. Knowingly. And things will not rectify, until there is a regime change. In D.C. So figure out a way to do it.
You seem a passionate sort, and I think your heart is in the right place. Why don't you fix things by running for president?
Here's a checklist of things you'll need to pull that off...
1) Already be a millionaire.
2) Be related by blood to the British(German) royal family.
3) Be able to tell the populace what they want to hear,
and then abandon those claims later on.
4) Be devoid of scruples.
5) Lose no sleep over being paid off by big business lobbyists to enact laws that will foul the environment.
Give it a whirl.
And one more thing about the French...
If you're one of those geeks forwarding a petition to send the Statue of Liberty back to France, forget it. It's too strong a symbolic statement of 'giving away your freedom' for even Pennsylvania Ave. to allow. Although I'm sure they got a chuckle from the irony of that notion. Besides, it wasn't really a gift from France, but from the Masons of France. Complete with illuminated torch, standing on the same Masonic sun that is under the Champs Elysees Arch. Might as well enjoy it while you can still pretend it's a gift.
See if you can't shut down that Fourth Reich you've got going over there from within,
Cheers,
A
The only way to stop the US, at least until it behaves in
a decent and moral way, is to boycott amercian products
all over the world.
It is only the business language the US understands.
a decent and moral way, is to boycott amercian products
all over the world.
It is only the business language the US understands.
Yo Kathy. Check your upscale WebTV email. You got mail.
Please, if you are one of the many ignorant, fat-headed, under-educated, patriotic Americans who like to post mindless comments about issues you have no understanding of...for once in your life shut your fucking mouth.
Yo Kathleen. Check your upscale WebTV account. You got mail.
Yo Kathleen. Check your upscale WebTV account. You got mail.
Yo Kathleen. Check your upscale WebTV account. You got mail.
Yo Kathleen. Check your upscale WebTV account. You got mail.
Pinging Rick who said there was no warning of the Sept 11 attack. Don't forget that Condi Rice had warnings about a jijacking, but she thought it was going to be a "traditional hijacking". Bush got out of Washington and cowered at his ranch for a month, waiting for the attack to happen.
I have just seen the pictures of the first casualties of this unjustifed war and it is DISGUSTING to think that the so called civilised countries of this world lead this unpopular WAR without the backing of the UN or more importantly the people of this world. Do you think these people who are injured in these situations will thank the US and UK for liberating them from their limbs, eyes, relatives and children......I prayer that what happens to the innocent people in iraq happens to the very people that tried so miserably to justify this war!!!
Hm. These people deserve to die, right? Why?
1) Because it's the unavoidable cost of making Saddam Hussein pay fot all the people HE'S killed? I don't think so. An eye for an eye leaves more people blind than our friend in the photo.
2) Because they had ample warning and plenty of opportunity to leave the area? Doubtful. The day before the first attacks, NPR reported that taxis out of Baghdad were charging over $1000 US for transport to safety. That makes this a war on the poor, and little more.
3) Because the events of 9/11 must be avenged? Hey, I'm as pissed as anyone that terrorists took down a couple buildings full of people. Doesn't matter if they were in New York or Old York or Tehran or anywhere. And if broad swaths of violence are the only reaction people can come to, then not a hell of a lot was learned. America should straighten out its own house before it even entertains the thought of being in the international justice business.
1) Because it's the unavoidable cost of making Saddam Hussein pay fot all the people HE'S killed? I don't think so. An eye for an eye leaves more people blind than our friend in the photo.
2) Because they had ample warning and plenty of opportunity to leave the area? Doubtful. The day before the first attacks, NPR reported that taxis out of Baghdad were charging over $1000 US for transport to safety. That makes this a war on the poor, and little more.
3) Because the events of 9/11 must be avenged? Hey, I'm as pissed as anyone that terrorists took down a couple buildings full of people. Doesn't matter if they were in New York or Old York or Tehran or anywhere. And if broad swaths of violence are the only reaction people can come to, then not a hell of a lot was learned. America should straighten out its own house before it even entertains the thought of being in the international justice business.
It is always sad to see injured or dying people. It is also impossible to say that this life is worth more than that life. But what happens when you have to weigh up the possibility of one death against the certainty of 100 - or the possibility of 10 against the certainty of 1000. At which point do we say these people must be spared by us even though it means that those people will then die. Especially when there is no guarantee that the smaller number of people will actually die as they have the chance to escape, whereas the others have no chance and if we sit back will definitely die.
To say I will die so that he might live is not an option. We have to say: We will do everything in our power to save those who are sure to die and yet we accept that others may die because of it.
The UK backed Maggie in an attack on the Falklands in a bid to take it back from Argentina. The money spent on that action could as easily have been used to bring all the Falkland Islanders back to the UK, provide them with a good home, land and a business and a guaranteed income for life. That would not have cost a penny. Yet we went to war, not because someone was torturing the Falkland Islanders, we weren't even bothered that the Argentinians might or might not have been killing their own people. We were bothered that someone had stolen our land (which we stole through diplomatic means anyway from a country which had stolen it from the people it first belonged to).
That war was acceptable yet this war, which is to free people who are terrorised by a tyrant, is unacceptable.
SOmething seems very wrong there.
To say I will die so that he might live is not an option. We have to say: We will do everything in our power to save those who are sure to die and yet we accept that others may die because of it.
The UK backed Maggie in an attack on the Falklands in a bid to take it back from Argentina. The money spent on that action could as easily have been used to bring all the Falkland Islanders back to the UK, provide them with a good home, land and a business and a guaranteed income for life. That would not have cost a penny. Yet we went to war, not because someone was torturing the Falkland Islanders, we weren't even bothered that the Argentinians might or might not have been killing their own people. We were bothered that someone had stolen our land (which we stole through diplomatic means anyway from a country which had stolen it from the people it first belonged to).
That war was acceptable yet this war, which is to free people who are terrorised by a tyrant, is unacceptable.
SOmething seems very wrong there.
"Liberated from his eyes"?? Geddit?
Too funny!
Too funny!
George W. Bush should be Impeached.
So, we're attacking saddam because he's a tyrant?
Have we told the Saudis and Kuwaitis they're next? No democracy in either of those countries. If we're trying to get democracies all across the Middle East, we should at least let our current allie know we're coming after them next.
Pakistan, too? As I recall, Musharraf took over a legitimately elected government.
Let those Iranians know we're in the neighborhood now, so we're coming after them, too.
Time to send the word out to the Latin American dictatorships that we'll be heading their way too. Since we're against tyrants.
North Korea, China, here we come.
Have we told the Saudis and Kuwaitis they're next? No democracy in either of those countries. If we're trying to get democracies all across the Middle East, we should at least let our current allie know we're coming after them next.
Pakistan, too? As I recall, Musharraf took over a legitimately elected government.
Let those Iranians know we're in the neighborhood now, so we're coming after them, too.
Time to send the word out to the Latin American dictatorships that we'll be heading their way too. Since we're against tyrants.
North Korea, China, here we come.
RE: First Photos
To get one man, the Bush strategy to get Saddam makes as much sense as bombing Maryland, VA, and D.C. last fall to get two snipers.
Observe his hollow eyes. We are witness to the first US president without a soul.
To get one man, the Bush strategy to get Saddam makes as much sense as bombing Maryland, VA, and D.C. last fall to get two snipers.
Observe his hollow eyes. We are witness to the first US president without a soul.
RE: First Photos
To get one man, the Bush strategy to get Saddam makes as much sense as bombing Maryland, VA, and D.C. last fall to get two snipers.
Observe his hollow eyes. We are witness to the first US president without a soul.
To get one man, the Bush strategy to get Saddam makes as much sense as bombing Maryland, VA, and D.C. last fall to get two snipers.
Observe his hollow eyes. We are witness to the first US president without a soul.
Umm, just curious what Iraq and Saddam Hussein had to do with the 911 attacks. Obviously you do not remember them that well at all, because if you did, then you would remember that it was Al Queada (sp?) and Bin Laden that were deemed responsible for the attacks. And seeing how Bin Laden and Hussein are enemies, I would say you blood thirsty, right wing, genocidal nuts are the ones that are brain washed. You all would feel a hell of a lot different about this war if YOU REALLY REMEMBERED what you felt on Sept 11, 2001. Imagine making MILLIONS of innocent people feel, day after day after day, what you felt for 1 day. Imagine having to pack up your belongings and walk to Canada or Mexico to live in a tent city everytime your country started a war. Imagine not being able to walk and having no money to get out of the country and having to stay in a war zone, not knowing which bomb is going to take you out. But typical American Mentality is showing itself again, saying "hey, if it doesn't effect us directly at home, then who cares, kill them all" Why do people want to carry out terrorist acts against the U.S.? Doesn't make any sense, you're so friendly. You fuckers want a war, then you should all be going over there, burying the dead civilians, rebuilding villages and cities, have to kill a man yourself infront of your own eyes, then see how you feel about war. Until then, may you all live in fear for your lives, like you force others to.
No dejen que la violencia entre en ustedes, pidan la paz desde su corazon, con la fuerza de su propia paz.
Quieren mi casa, mi dinero, mis cosas, TOMENLAS! pero eso no les dara felicidad ni la Paz a sus almas.
No se dejen arrebatar SU PAZ.
Quieren mi casa, mi dinero, mis cosas, TOMENLAS! pero eso no les dara felicidad ni la Paz a sus almas.
No se dejen arrebatar SU PAZ.
Remember 9/11!! Remember 9/11!! I seem to be hearing this EVERYWHERE. Is everybody SO brainwashed that they have forgotten who we are SUPPOSED to be looking for? A CNN poll on 3/16 showed that 51% of Americans thought Hussein was directly responsible for the WTC attacks. He was less responsible than our lovely government. Remember, Duybya's daddy and HIS mentor helped train Osama in the first place. Remember Osama, not Saddam.
Saddam Hussein
28 April 1937 Saddam Hussein was born in Tikrit, Iraq. He was sent to live with his maternal uncle soon after he was born. During his early years, reports have linked Saddam to the murders of a school teacher and/or a cousin.
1955 Saddam moved to Baghdad.
1956 Hussein joined the Arab Baath Socialist Party.
1957 Hussein was denied the admission to the Baghdad Military Academy.
1958 Hussein married Sajida.
1959 Hussein attempted to assassinate the Prime Minister of Iraq. He was arrested for six months. Hussein was shot in the leg by the prime minister's bodyguard.
25 February 1960 After being convicted for his assassination attempt, Hussein was sentenced to death, although he later escaped to Syria and then to Egypt.
1962 Hussein completed his secondary studies.
1962-1963 Hussein studied law in Cairo, but he did not complete it.
8 February 1963 Hussein returned to Iraq after the Ramadan Revolution and was elected to the Baath Party.
14 October 1964 Hussein was arrested for charges accusing him of rebelling against the regime.
September 1966 While in prison, Hussein was elected the Deputy Secretary General of the Baath Party Leadership.
1967 Hussein escaped from prison.
July 1968 Hussein participated in a coup to overthrow Iraq's president and the regime.
1968 Hussein graduated from the College of Law.
9 November 1969 Hussein was elected the Vice-chairman of the Revolution Command Council.
1 June 1972 Hussein nationalized all of the oil companies in Iraq.
1 July 1973 Hussein was dubbed the rank of Lieutenant general and the Rafadain Order, First Class.
11 March 1974 Hussein helped to implement the Autonomy Law for Iraqi Kurdish Citizens. The Kurds were forced to go to Iran.
1 February 1976 Hussein was awarded M.A. Honors Degree in Military Sciences
8 October 1977 Hussein was elected the Assistant Secretary General of the National Pan-Arab Leadership of the Baath Party.
16 July 1979 Hussein was elected as the President of Iraq and as the Chairman of Revolution Command Council.
17 July 1979 Hussein was promoted to the rank of Field Marshall.
8 October 1979 Hussein was elected Deputy Secretary General of the Pan-Arab Leadership of the Baath party.
4 September 1980 Hussein initiated a war with Iran as he attacked the oil-reserves in Iran.
1982 Former President Bakr died mysteriously. It was widely suspected that Hussein was involved.
30 July 1983 Hussein was dubbed the Revolution Order, First Class.
1984 Hussein was awarded an Honorary Doctorate in Law from the University of Baghdad.
1987-1988 Hussein launched the Anfal Campaign against the Kurds. 180,000 Kurds disappeared and 4,000 villages were destroyed.
28 April 1988 Hussein was dubbed the Order of the People.
March 1988 The Kurdish town, Halabaja, was gassed. 5,000 people were killed and 10,000 were injured.
8 August 1988 Hussein agreed to a cease-fire with Iran. Iraq won the conflict.
August 1988 Many Kurdish villages on the Turkish border were gassed. Thousands of people died.
2 August 1990 Hussein seized Kuwait.
16 January 1991 The United States began bombing Baghdad in response to Hussein not turning over Kuwait.
February 1991 The Persian Gulf War ended. President George Bush of the United States declared a cease-fire.
1993 Hussein broke the peace terms from the end of the Persian Gulf War. The United States bombed Iraq as a result.
29 September 1998 The United States passed the Iraq Liberation Act. The Act stated that they wanted to remove Saddam Hussein from office and replace the government with a democratic institution.
October 1998 Hussein failed to comply with the united Nations weapons inspectors. This action led to a four-day bombing raid by the United States.
16-19 December 1998 The United Nations pulled their workers out of Iraq. The United States and the United Kingdom began air raids on Iraq called Operation Desert Fox.
1999 Throughout the year continual air strikes hit Iraq.
2000 It is reported that Hussein has used humanitarian funds to build presidential palaces and for other personal enrichment items.
2002 The United States began to initiate a plan to overthrow Hussein.
2002 Hussein allows the United Nations weapons inspectors to return to Iraq.
January 2003 Other Arab leaders in the middle east request that Saddam Hussein go into exile to avoid war with the United States.
February 2003 Saddam Hussein interviewed with news reporter, Dan Rather. Hussein said that he would not go into exile and that he would not surrender in a possible war. He claimed that Iraq does not have any weapons that go against UN resolutions.
17 March 2003 United States President George W. Bush gave Hussein an ultimatum. Either he leave Iraq within 48 hours with his sons or the United States would pursue military action.
28 April 1937 Saddam Hussein was born in Tikrit, Iraq. He was sent to live with his maternal uncle soon after he was born. During his early years, reports have linked Saddam to the murders of a school teacher and/or a cousin.
1955 Saddam moved to Baghdad.
1956 Hussein joined the Arab Baath Socialist Party.
1957 Hussein was denied the admission to the Baghdad Military Academy.
1958 Hussein married Sajida.
1959 Hussein attempted to assassinate the Prime Minister of Iraq. He was arrested for six months. Hussein was shot in the leg by the prime minister's bodyguard.
25 February 1960 After being convicted for his assassination attempt, Hussein was sentenced to death, although he later escaped to Syria and then to Egypt.
1962 Hussein completed his secondary studies.
1962-1963 Hussein studied law in Cairo, but he did not complete it.
8 February 1963 Hussein returned to Iraq after the Ramadan Revolution and was elected to the Baath Party.
14 October 1964 Hussein was arrested for charges accusing him of rebelling against the regime.
September 1966 While in prison, Hussein was elected the Deputy Secretary General of the Baath Party Leadership.
1967 Hussein escaped from prison.
July 1968 Hussein participated in a coup to overthrow Iraq's president and the regime.
1968 Hussein graduated from the College of Law.
9 November 1969 Hussein was elected the Vice-chairman of the Revolution Command Council.
1 June 1972 Hussein nationalized all of the oil companies in Iraq.
1 July 1973 Hussein was dubbed the rank of Lieutenant general and the Rafadain Order, First Class.
11 March 1974 Hussein helped to implement the Autonomy Law for Iraqi Kurdish Citizens. The Kurds were forced to go to Iran.
1 February 1976 Hussein was awarded M.A. Honors Degree in Military Sciences
8 October 1977 Hussein was elected the Assistant Secretary General of the National Pan-Arab Leadership of the Baath Party.
16 July 1979 Hussein was elected as the President of Iraq and as the Chairman of Revolution Command Council.
17 July 1979 Hussein was promoted to the rank of Field Marshall.
8 October 1979 Hussein was elected Deputy Secretary General of the Pan-Arab Leadership of the Baath party.
4 September 1980 Hussein initiated a war with Iran as he attacked the oil-reserves in Iran.
1982 Former President Bakr died mysteriously. It was widely suspected that Hussein was involved.
30 July 1983 Hussein was dubbed the Revolution Order, First Class.
1984 Hussein was awarded an Honorary Doctorate in Law from the University of Baghdad.
1987-1988 Hussein launched the Anfal Campaign against the Kurds. 180,000 Kurds disappeared and 4,000 villages were destroyed.
28 April 1988 Hussein was dubbed the Order of the People.
March 1988 The Kurdish town, Halabaja, was gassed. 5,000 people were killed and 10,000 were injured.
8 August 1988 Hussein agreed to a cease-fire with Iran. Iraq won the conflict.
August 1988 Many Kurdish villages on the Turkish border were gassed. Thousands of people died.
2 August 1990 Hussein seized Kuwait.
16 January 1991 The United States began bombing Baghdad in response to Hussein not turning over Kuwait.
February 1991 The Persian Gulf War ended. President George Bush of the United States declared a cease-fire.
1993 Hussein broke the peace terms from the end of the Persian Gulf War. The United States bombed Iraq as a result.
29 September 1998 The United States passed the Iraq Liberation Act. The Act stated that they wanted to remove Saddam Hussein from office and replace the government with a democratic institution.
October 1998 Hussein failed to comply with the united Nations weapons inspectors. This action led to a four-day bombing raid by the United States.
16-19 December 1998 The United Nations pulled their workers out of Iraq. The United States and the United Kingdom began air raids on Iraq called Operation Desert Fox.
1999 Throughout the year continual air strikes hit Iraq.
2000 It is reported that Hussein has used humanitarian funds to build presidential palaces and for other personal enrichment items.
2002 The United States began to initiate a plan to overthrow Hussein.
2002 Hussein allows the United Nations weapons inspectors to return to Iraq.
January 2003 Other Arab leaders in the middle east request that Saddam Hussein go into exile to avoid war with the United States.
February 2003 Saddam Hussein interviewed with news reporter, Dan Rather. Hussein said that he would not go into exile and that he would not surrender in a possible war. He claimed that Iraq does not have any weapons that go against UN resolutions.
17 March 2003 United States President George W. Bush gave Hussein an ultimatum. Either he leave Iraq within 48 hours with his sons or the United States would pursue military action.
I agree, and what Americans don't realize yet is that they soon will become victims of the government for speaking out e.g. will start disappearing without a trace. We'd better wise up soon.
I don't understand why you don't publish the photos of the bodies hung on lamposts in Kuwait or the atrocities committed by Saddam's own Security forces. Rapes, murders, random acts of mindless violence. I am sure that tonnes of those abound around the internet. I don't see your objectivity in this matter - but then again I don't think that is your point. I suppose you wish to "Shock and Awe" us into thinking that the military forces of the UK and US are committing huge atrocities. I am not convinced.
Subject: Re: Proud American ,ask where are pictures from wct...I WROTE BACK
To: klfisher [at] webtv.net
CC: jaykdiamond [at] aol.com, lynnsamuels [at] hotmail.com, jr [at] rense.com, MikeR [at] hawaii.rr.com
Oh, Lordy Mercy, she done wrote me back!
Yo, bitch!
You seem to be horribly confused. I asked a valid question...you responded in a hysterical, less than logical manner. Your message didn't make much sense, lacked a coherent theme, lacked grammatical structure, spelling proficiency, etc. Gosh, you seem stressed out. Stupid bitch. But let's not worry about that right now.
Let me 'splain something to ya. Bigger things are going right now than you can ever hope to understand. Your teeny wittle brain cannot possibly wrap around what is really happening behind the scenes. Your liberal bleeding heart rantings mean nothing. Protest all you want. Puke on the steps of the courthouse like the fags in Frisco. Doesn't matter. Time's up. Lots of folks are on the way out. Starting with Iraqis. Moving on to the Palestinians. And that's just the beginning.
ALthough I doubt that you can handle reading materials at this level, I present a small taste of the future for your edification and edumacation:
Because the Palestinians strive against Israel, they are cursed. THey will be totally annihalated. THERE IS NO ESCAPE.
"For as ye have drunk upon my holy mountain, so shall all the heathen drink continually, yea, they shall drink, and they shall swallow down, and they shall be as though they had not been. But upon mount Zion shall be deliverance, and there shall be holiness; AND THE HOUSE OF JACOB SHALL POSSESS THEIR POSSESSIONS. AND THE HOUSE OF JACOB SHALL BE A FIRE, AND THE HOUSE OF JOSEPH A FLAME, AND THE HOUSE OF ESAU FOR STUBBLE, AND THEY SHALL KINDLE IN THEM, AND DEVOUR THEM; AND THERE SHALL NOT BE ANY REMAINING OF THE HOUSE OF ESAU; FOR THE LORD HATH SPOKEN IT." {Obadiah 16-18}
This war (NOT NECESSARILY THE CURRENT WAR), when it breaks out, will be so devastating to the House of Esau that they will be as thought they have never existed. And, their physical destruction will occur by a war that destroys primarily through a great fire, i.e., possibly nuclear weapons.
Now, exactly who comprises this "House of Esau"? The modern day Palestinians, and about two-thirds of Jordan, located right across from the West Bank, comprise the House of Esau.
There will be total annihilation of the House of Esau. The Palestinians will be totally wiped out. Period. Did you ever wonder why Israel has built a physical "wall of seperation" between themselves and the Pali slums? All the better to fire bomb them, my dear.....
Just a few more points....
IF, and thats a big IF, your site had any integrity, or even common decency, you would focus at least as much on the WTC victims as on third world victims. Folks git tarred of all yer PC bitchin, is awl. If you don't like this country and don't feel the need to support American victims of terrorism and American troups at this time, I suggest that you become a human shield like your compatriot, Rachel Corrie. I'll be watching for ya. I need another good laugh right about now.
You might want to consider moving on up to the real Internet. The fact that you are a WebTV subscriber tends to lower your credibility with real people. Kinda makes you look like trailer trash.
BTW, by copying several of your politically correct, liberal loser friends (and Jeff Rense, who I LOVE), were you trying to intimidate me? Sorry, toots. For every one like you, there are many, many like me. Millions of us, against maybe a few thousand of you. We're tired of liberal trash, and we're ready to take it out. Intimidate me? Bring it on.
Proud American
Kathy Fisher <klfisher [at] webtv.net> wrote:
I'm am really sorry that there are no pictures of people who were
injured from wtc on the indymedia site..I ask really, would the one
justify the other?..ask our media and our government where they are!
Btw did you happen to see any of these Iraqi people in those planes that
crashed into our buildings? how many 9/11s will justify it for you.when
can we stop bombing to satisfy your vengeance.And my my my you sure are
confused about what is liberating and what is pay back,seems you want
them both at the same time ! Sorry darling it doesn't work that
way....You can bomb them into pieces,but you can't bomb them into
peace...You poor thing you must be so frustrated.You can't get what you
want...I just want to know who do you want to go after next?
These are the first photos I have seen since Bush's War began. The local media, and it appears nation wide media as well, are keeping the public from this type of information. It has become apparent that the owners of the vast media centerrs that exist in our country today are following orders to keep the public ignorant of what is actually occuring in Iraq and in our nation. How long will the American people stand by and allow this censorship to continue? If we do not know our history, we will tend to repeat it; rememberr what happened in Gerrmanypre WWll.
Kathy,
I understand your anger, but it is misdirected. You've play right into the hands of the propagandists. There were NO Iraqis on the 9-11 aircraft -- mostly Saudis -- and NO Iraqi involvement. Hussein hates fundamentalists (and most others) like bin Laden. NO CONNECTION, Kathy. I feel your anger, and I feel anger, too. That after serving 10-years in the military and watching my oldest son take live fire, too, in Bosnia, our proud nation is violating international law, a law we abide by only when convenient to us it seems, and has acted *nearly* unilateraly while exercising Team Bush's new policy of preemptively invaded another nation even if we may perceive them as a future threat. Think about how ludicrous that is. Bush feels he has the moral high-ground, but about the only religious figures supporting him are evangelical, white, Southern men. Many of them invest privately in troubled countries throughout the world, investments you and I would NOT make. Iraq. Saddam a damn bad human, but the Iraqi people dying right now? There only sin is being born there. 9-11? Let's fervently hope never again, but we are going after the wrong folks. "War on terra." It's kind of like declaring war on jealousy or anger or something. You can never win it. It will always be there. --Bel
I understand your anger, but it is misdirected. You've play right into the hands of the propagandists. There were NO Iraqis on the 9-11 aircraft -- mostly Saudis -- and NO Iraqi involvement. Hussein hates fundamentalists (and most others) like bin Laden. NO CONNECTION, Kathy. I feel your anger, and I feel anger, too. That after serving 10-years in the military and watching my oldest son take live fire, too, in Bosnia, our proud nation is violating international law, a law we abide by only when convenient to us it seems, and has acted *nearly* unilateraly while exercising Team Bush's new policy of preemptively invaded another nation even if we may perceive them as a future threat. Think about how ludicrous that is. Bush feels he has the moral high-ground, but about the only religious figures supporting him are evangelical, white, Southern men. Many of them invest privately in troubled countries throughout the world, investments you and I would NOT make. Iraq. Saddam a damn bad human, but the Iraqi people dying right now? There only sin is being born there. 9-11? Let's fervently hope never again, but we are going after the wrong folks. "War on terra." It's kind of like declaring war on jealousy or anger or something. You can never win it. It will always be there. --Bel
Bush sees himself in a big global struggle. One where he represents the side of good against various sources of evil.
When in public he must use various different arguments because some are not compatible with certain audiences. for example making Iraq liberal and democratic doesnt go down well in conservative despotic states which are needed as allies.
but the main reason is he sees a clear threat to civilization from the combination of states like Iraq with terrorists like al quaeda and growing powers with flexible morals such as china.
When you are a leader of the free world dealing with issues on a one by one basis either as emotional feelings (like revenge) or as legal issues may no longer make sense.
When in public he must use various different arguments because some are not compatible with certain audiences. for example making Iraq liberal and democratic doesnt go down well in conservative despotic states which are needed as allies.
but the main reason is he sees a clear threat to civilization from the combination of states like Iraq with terrorists like al quaeda and growing powers with flexible morals such as china.
When you are a leader of the free world dealing with issues on a one by one basis either as emotional feelings (like revenge) or as legal issues may no longer make sense.
I am more afraid of Bush and his henchmen than I am of Saddam. I was born and raised in the USA
cmorris
cmorris
Sorry,
With homeland security(invasion of privacy) there will be little freedom of anything.
With homeland security(invasion of privacy) there will be little freedom of anything.
i NOTE THAT IN THAT PICTURE OF THE BOY?, he is not exactly holding a newspaper. I am certainly going to believe the US before I believe some POS Paki paper/. Quite honestly I would be more willing to believe that saddam gouged that kids eyes out. I think they should show that pic on CNN. so America can see what their so called ally Pakistan thinks about them.
Everyone hates conservative white males period. Chirac is against America(GWB) becausr he knows what we are going to find in Iraq with his signature right on it. Xlinton and that turd carter-same thing possibly.
Everyone hates conservative white males period. Chirac is against America(GWB) becausr he knows what we are going to find in Iraq with his signature right on it. Xlinton and that turd carter-same thing possibly.
Hey Rick,
I seriously doubt the citizens of Baghdad have access to the ample resources of most Americans. The neighboring countries are, for the most part, ill-equipped, and in the case of Turkey, hostile to the idea of handling the onslaught of countless refugees in mass exodus. You and everyone else of your ilk have lost sight of any emotion vaguely resembling compassion. May God have mercy on us all.
I seriously doubt the citizens of Baghdad have access to the ample resources of most Americans. The neighboring countries are, for the most part, ill-equipped, and in the case of Turkey, hostile to the idea of handling the onslaught of countless refugees in mass exodus. You and everyone else of your ilk have lost sight of any emotion vaguely resembling compassion. May God have mercy on us all.
What exactly would you impeach him for? Using his Constitutional powers as Commander in Chief? Enforcing a U.N. resolution? Or just doing something that a small minority of Americans disaprove of? Your calls to impeach him are as ridiculous as me saying you should be imprisoned for gross stupidity simply because you hold differing opinions.
OOH, A BONAFIDE MATHMETICIAN WITH SQUIRRELY QUOTES TO BACK A SILLY ASSERTION.
STATISTICS PLAY ABSOLUTELY NO ROLE IN YOUR LIFE UNLESS YOU BECOME ONE.. THIS WAR IS WRONG. THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE MORE TO BRING AMERICA TO ITS KNEES THAN ANY ENEMY EVER, COULD'VE HOPED TO ACCOMPLISH!
OSAMA IS DANCING A JIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
STATISTICS PLAY ABSOLUTELY NO ROLE IN YOUR LIFE UNLESS YOU BECOME ONE.. THIS WAR IS WRONG. THIS ADMINISTRATION HAS DONE MORE TO BRING AMERICA TO ITS KNEES THAN ANY ENEMY EVER, COULD'VE HOPED TO ACCOMPLISH!
OSAMA IS DANCING A JIG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
<I am more afraid of Bush and his henchmen than I am of Saddam. I was born and raised in the USA >
Oh really? Let's see - If you were an Iraqi writing a critical piece on Saddam, you would get a visit from the Mukhabarat (the Iraqi henchmen), where you (and possibly your family) would be taken, incarcerated and probably tortured for as long as your (and your family's) screams amused them...
Feel that fear tonight? Anyone?
Oh really? Let's see - If you were an Iraqi writing a critical piece on Saddam, you would get a visit from the Mukhabarat (the Iraqi henchmen), where you (and possibly your family) would be taken, incarcerated and probably tortured for as long as your (and your family's) screams amused them...
Feel that fear tonight? Anyone?
The Internet is a scary place because it reveals the frightening beliefs of certain "Americans" - the most disturbing coming from those who consider themselves "patriots". Maybe it's just a question of which reasoning you'd like to select for going into Iraq: retribution for 9/11? Well, that's great, except IRAQ DIDN'T DO IT. Is it to liberate the people and bring them "democracy" - well then why are we scaring the SHIT out of them with "shock and awe" - if not actually killing them - and further, why celebrate injury to any of these innocent people? 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is NOT part of the "coalition of the willing". I think there's some misplaced anger. This whole thing is tragic - the dead Iraqis, the dead from 9/11. All are equally precious, all had mothers, fathers, family and friends. We've been bombing since lead and gunpowder were invented. Perhaps we might try something else.
"The only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing"
--Edmund Burke
I would just like to say thank you to all the men and women who are risking their lives to liberate a nation from a dictator and protecting freedom.
--Edmund Burke
I would just like to say thank you to all the men and women who are risking their lives to liberate a nation from a dictator and protecting freedom.
The Internet is a scary place because it reveals the frightening beliefs of certain "Americans" - the most disturbing coming from those who consider themselves "patriots". Maybe it's just a question of which reasoning you'd like to select for going into Iraq: retribution for 9/11? Well, that's great, except IRAQ DIDN'T DO IT. Is it to liberate the people and bring them "democracy" - well then why are we scaring the SHIT out of them with "shock and awe" - if not actually killing them - and further, why celebrate injury to any of these innocent people? 15 of the 19 hijackers on 9/11 were from Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia is NOT part of the "coalition of the willing". I think there's some misplaced anger. This whole thing is tragic - the dead Iraqis, the dead from 9/11. All are equally precious, all had mothers, fathers, family and friends. We've been bombing since lead and gunpowder were invented. Perhaps we might try something else.
Should have seen following Saddam was blind leading the blind!
Should have seen following Saddam was blind leading the blind!
Let us see more of the disasterous civilian casualties, the distasterous property damage, the disasterous everything!!! I want to see it all. We deserve the reality.
Please post more pics like these if they exist
I believe they exist. Why only two?
SHOW THEM !
CNN and the other fools are too busy on stategy
Please post more pics like these if they exist
I believe they exist. Why only two?
SHOW THEM !
CNN and the other fools are too busy on stategy
PLEASE GOD!
BURN ANOTHER BUSH!
BURN ANOTHER BUSH!
How do you know that 40% (and not 50% or 30% for example) oppose the war?
I am sickened by some of the revengeful comments on this page. So many of our citizens are blindly loyal to a Party instead of our Constitution. Do some Google searches, or read a book!
Blame Hussein for a lot of things, but the connection with Bin Laden wasn't made. 9-11 bombers were mostly Saudis, and Saudi funding is being investigated. The 9-11 terrorist network is in many countries (they've had a foothold in South Florida), and maybe there are some Al Qaeda in Iraq. The Admin. presented false documents to the U.N. several times (most recently 3/14/03-CNN). We need our allies to continue the search for Al Qaeda terrorists. If the Admin. knew of WMD in Iraq, it would have been more prudent to have the inspectors go get them, not our soldiers. War is chaos. People are dying, this isn't a football game. I don't mean to sound smug, but the bloodlust I'm seeing is getting to me.
Please stop calling up 9-11 to justify this! This is what I've read: The US supported Bin Laden and the Taliban for years and viewed them as freedom fighters against the Russians. As recent as 1998 the US was paying the salary of every single Taliban official in Afghanistan. There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area than in Saudi Arabia, but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the oil out. UNOCAL, a giant American oil conglomerate, spent $10 billion on geological surveys for pipeline construction through Afghanistan to the Arabian Sea, and courted the Taliban for their support in allowing the construction to begin. Leading Taliban officials were in Texas negotiating with UNOCAL in 1998. In 1999 the Taliban changed its mind and threw UNOCAL out of the country and awarded the pipeline project to a company from Argentina. John Maresca, VP of UNOCAL, testified before the US Congress and said no pipeline will be built until the Taliban was gone and a more friendly government was established in Kabul. In addition to the breakdown of the pipeline negotiations because of unrest in Afghanistan, Bin Laden hates us because we have bases in his holy land.
The US government quietly announced that it will support the construction of the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline. President Musharraf of Pakistan and President Karzai of Afghanistan announced their agreement to build the proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to Pakistan via Afghanistan.
Isn't there possibly some profiteering goin' in? The Bush family acquired their wealth through oil, and George Bush Sr. now works with the "Carlysle Group" specializing in armaments and huge oil investments around the world. While other companies in the United States have been tanking since 9-11, The Carlyle Group is a great investment. Condoleezza Rice, Bush's national security adviser, worked for Chevron before going to Washington. Bush's Sec. of Interior was the president of an oil company before going to Washington. Sec. of the Army, Thomas White, came over from Enron. Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate Haliburton before becoming VP, and Haliburton gave Cheney $34 million as a farewell gift when he left. The leader of the new government in Afghanistan formerly worked for UNOCAL; the special envoy appointed by Bush to deal with that new government was the "chief consultant to UNOCAL." Richard Perle was outed by Adnan Khashoggi last month for trying to capitalize on his connections to profit from the war with his new company, Trireme. Khashoggi commented, "You Americans blind yourself with your high integrity and your democratic morality against peddling influence, but they were peddling influence."
Bin Laden is now recruiting women, according to a Pakistani reporter. And the Sunnis are calling for a Jihad against America. The Ridge has raised the threat color level, and the administration has told us that we WILL take a hit. Would we have taken one anyway? We'll never know. The White House is marketing fear, and there are no budget limits on the ads.
Saddam Hussein gassed his "own people?" The Kurds have no country. But he did gas them, and they say it was horrific. People from the present administration were at least aware of it at the time, and gave him a big aid package right afterwards. There are dozens of awful regimes in the world - how about Cuba. I oppose all abuse, but are we going to war with all of them, or just those with resources we want to control? If this admin. believes so strongly in Democracy, why have they pressured other countries to go against the overwhelming opposition of their own people, and why are they trying to take away our own Democracy with Patriot Acts 1 and 2, and http://www.darpa.mil?
While you're watching "Showdown with Iraq" this week, Congress is raiding U.S. treasury this week with a gigantic tax break that will give $1.4 trillion tax cut for the top 1-5% of the wealthiest people in the country. The lockstep Republicans are trying to cut education, veterans benefits, elderly assistance, student loans, and under-funding homeland security. Your social security is in jeopardy also, and the USA will be in deficit far into the future. Just a coincidence, of course, that the budget discussions occurred at this time.
Look into Bob Graham's comments on the 9-11 investigation which he headed up in the Senate. And can anyone explain to us Floridians why Jeb Bush declared a State of Emergency in Florida the week before 9-11 - and it's still in effect?
At least 40% of the American public does not agree with this war or this administration, our voices matter, and we have serious questions. The deregulation of the media has created a monstrosity of misinformation. We had a few years of Clinton hating, and it wasn't called unpatriotic to oppose him. If anyone can't grasp the difference between patriotism/supporting our troops and supporting an unnecessary war, read about the Pentagon papers. We struggled with that issue during the Vietnam war, and the truth eventually came out. Democracy requires educated, informed people. There's a reason they call it the House of Representatives, and you really don't want a government that doesn't have anyone representing you. Checks & balances have worked for centuries, but we have none at this time.
I hope Saddam Hussein and his legions are routed out quickly, and our troops come home. But it won't make me feel safe, and I do not support an endless holy war. If you don't accept some of these things, do some keyword searches and form your own opinion. There. I've put it down, that's all I can do for now. I have candles burning in my windows, as a protest and a prayer.
Blame Hussein for a lot of things, but the connection with Bin Laden wasn't made. 9-11 bombers were mostly Saudis, and Saudi funding is being investigated. The 9-11 terrorist network is in many countries (they've had a foothold in South Florida), and maybe there are some Al Qaeda in Iraq. The Admin. presented false documents to the U.N. several times (most recently 3/14/03-CNN). We need our allies to continue the search for Al Qaeda terrorists. If the Admin. knew of WMD in Iraq, it would have been more prudent to have the inspectors go get them, not our soldiers. War is chaos. People are dying, this isn't a football game. I don't mean to sound smug, but the bloodlust I'm seeing is getting to me.
Please stop calling up 9-11 to justify this! This is what I've read: The US supported Bin Laden and the Taliban for years and viewed them as freedom fighters against the Russians. As recent as 1998 the US was paying the salary of every single Taliban official in Afghanistan. There is more oil and gas in the Caspian Sea area than in Saudi Arabia, but you need a pipeline through Afghanistan to get the oil out. UNOCAL, a giant American oil conglomerate, spent $10 billion on geological surveys for pipeline construction through Afghanistan to the Arabian Sea, and courted the Taliban for their support in allowing the construction to begin. Leading Taliban officials were in Texas negotiating with UNOCAL in 1998. In 1999 the Taliban changed its mind and threw UNOCAL out of the country and awarded the pipeline project to a company from Argentina. John Maresca, VP of UNOCAL, testified before the US Congress and said no pipeline will be built until the Taliban was gone and a more friendly government was established in Kabul. In addition to the breakdown of the pipeline negotiations because of unrest in Afghanistan, Bin Laden hates us because we have bases in his holy land.
The US government quietly announced that it will support the construction of the Trans-Afghanistan pipeline. President Musharraf of Pakistan and President Karzai of Afghanistan announced their agreement to build the proposed gas pipeline from Central Asia to Pakistan via Afghanistan.
Isn't there possibly some profiteering goin' in? The Bush family acquired their wealth through oil, and George Bush Sr. now works with the "Carlysle Group" specializing in armaments and huge oil investments around the world. While other companies in the United States have been tanking since 9-11, The Carlyle Group is a great investment. Condoleezza Rice, Bush's national security adviser, worked for Chevron before going to Washington. Bush's Sec. of Interior was the president of an oil company before going to Washington. Sec. of the Army, Thomas White, came over from Enron. Dick Cheney worked for the giant oil conglomerate Haliburton before becoming VP, and Haliburton gave Cheney $34 million as a farewell gift when he left. The leader of the new government in Afghanistan formerly worked for UNOCAL; the special envoy appointed by Bush to deal with that new government was the "chief consultant to UNOCAL." Richard Perle was outed by Adnan Khashoggi last month for trying to capitalize on his connections to profit from the war with his new company, Trireme. Khashoggi commented, "You Americans blind yourself with your high integrity and your democratic morality against peddling influence, but they were peddling influence."
Bin Laden is now recruiting women, according to a Pakistani reporter. And the Sunnis are calling for a Jihad against America. The Ridge has raised the threat color level, and the administration has told us that we WILL take a hit. Would we have taken one anyway? We'll never know. The White House is marketing fear, and there are no budget limits on the ads.
Saddam Hussein gassed his "own people?" The Kurds have no country. But he did gas them, and they say it was horrific. People from the present administration were at least aware of it at the time, and gave him a big aid package right afterwards. There are dozens of awful regimes in the world - how about Cuba. I oppose all abuse, but are we going to war with all of them, or just those with resources we want to control? If this admin. believes so strongly in Democracy, why have they pressured other countries to go against the overwhelming opposition of their own people, and why are they trying to take away our own Democracy with Patriot Acts 1 and 2, and http://www.darpa.mil?
While you're watching "Showdown with Iraq" this week, Congress is raiding U.S. treasury this week with a gigantic tax break that will give $1.4 trillion tax cut for the top 1-5% of the wealthiest people in the country. The lockstep Republicans are trying to cut education, veterans benefits, elderly assistance, student loans, and under-funding homeland security. Your social security is in jeopardy also, and the USA will be in deficit far into the future. Just a coincidence, of course, that the budget discussions occurred at this time.
Look into Bob Graham's comments on the 9-11 investigation which he headed up in the Senate. And can anyone explain to us Floridians why Jeb Bush declared a State of Emergency in Florida the week before 9-11 - and it's still in effect?
At least 40% of the American public does not agree with this war or this administration, our voices matter, and we have serious questions. The deregulation of the media has created a monstrosity of misinformation. We had a few years of Clinton hating, and it wasn't called unpatriotic to oppose him. If anyone can't grasp the difference between patriotism/supporting our troops and supporting an unnecessary war, read about the Pentagon papers. We struggled with that issue during the Vietnam war, and the truth eventually came out. Democracy requires educated, informed people. There's a reason they call it the House of Representatives, and you really don't want a government that doesn't have anyone representing you. Checks & balances have worked for centuries, but we have none at this time.
I hope Saddam Hussein and his legions are routed out quickly, and our troops come home. But it won't make me feel safe, and I do not support an endless holy war. If you don't accept some of these things, do some keyword searches and form your own opinion. There. I've put it down, that's all I can do for now. I have candles burning in my windows, as a protest and a prayer.
For all of you (especially YOU MARGARET) who believe that doing a "google" search and considering it varifiable "research".......you're just plain stupid. Only the really really stupid people believe the crap they read on the internet. As far as those candles that you're burning in your window in protest, blow them out before you burn your house down. Your post is the biggest bunch of BS I have read on this site. It really makes me mad that ignorant people like you take garbage off the internet and post it as being REAL information. Do us all a favor...move to Iraq. Try living there under Hussein - you deserve it.
How do you know that 40% (and not 50% or 30% for example) oppose the war?
I am a regular user of Melbourne Indy and this was brought to my attention as i also use the alias of The Truth, this "The Truth" is not me and suspect this is the work of a troll
i have posted the following comment entitled
"HMMM must be geting fans(trolls)"
at http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=44387&group=webcast
I dont know if that "The Truth" is a troll or someone else using the alias, but it is certainly is not me, i rarely post at other indymedia sites, i tend to use just the pacific indymedia to post articles, just do a search for "The Truth" and your find articles here, there are others around here who use sf regularly usally Turing and Chris Parsons maybe you should ask them.
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When has American ever planted our flag in a country and controlled it?
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Well im not American and i can remember plenty of times when America has planted it flag and controlled it, although planted is the wrong word, it was more by proxy control but just as good as the real thing.
I have made my views clear (comment"Good Good Good" http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=43578) about a war even it is of a fence sitter
So "San Francisco Fan" i suggest, you dont make assumptions of who's who around Indymedia sites as trolling someones name is very easy.
Also the use of "the truth" is common in articles, so as from now on i will use the aliase "The Truth*", but this will probaly not stop trolls.
Here's an other false " The Truth"
Oil Companies to Make $30 to $40 Billion on Iraqi Oil Infrastructure After War
http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=42324
I have said im a leftist and support actions at the refugge prison camps, but i dont support Cuba because it is a dictartorship(like all other fake so-called socialist states) not a workers country, Freedoms are repressed and this go's along with so called of distrubating subversive material if this material needs to repressed eg democracy and rights what kind of society is it, it certainly not a sociaist state and is dis-respectful of people intelligence.
Socialists would not fear this material as it would be an open society, but wait Cuba aint socialist it's a dictatorship!
so what about this article whats your view on it?
or have we let the trolls win?
i have posted the following comment entitled
"HMMM must be geting fans(trolls)"
at http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=44387&group=webcast
I dont know if that "The Truth" is a troll or someone else using the alias, but it is certainly is not me, i rarely post at other indymedia sites, i tend to use just the pacific indymedia to post articles, just do a search for "The Truth" and your find articles here, there are others around here who use sf regularly usally Turing and Chris Parsons maybe you should ask them.
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When has American ever planted our flag in a country and controlled it?
***********************************************************
Well im not American and i can remember plenty of times when America has planted it flag and controlled it, although planted is the wrong word, it was more by proxy control but just as good as the real thing.
I have made my views clear (comment"Good Good Good" http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=43578) about a war even it is of a fence sitter
So "San Francisco Fan" i suggest, you dont make assumptions of who's who around Indymedia sites as trolling someones name is very easy.
Also the use of "the truth" is common in articles, so as from now on i will use the aliase "The Truth*", but this will probaly not stop trolls.
Here's an other false " The Truth"
Oil Companies to Make $30 to $40 Billion on Iraqi Oil Infrastructure After War
http://www.melbourne.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=42324
I have said im a leftist and support actions at the refugge prison camps, but i dont support Cuba because it is a dictartorship(like all other fake so-called socialist states) not a workers country, Freedoms are repressed and this go's along with so called of distrubating subversive material if this material needs to repressed eg democracy and rights what kind of society is it, it certainly not a sociaist state and is dis-respectful of people intelligence.
Socialists would not fear this material as it would be an open society, but wait Cuba aint socialist it's a dictatorship!
so what about this article whats your view on it?
or have we let the trolls win?
"have said im a leftist and support actions"
no - you're reich-wing fraud, and a regular abuser of Melbourne IMC - and Portland <--- let's not forget that one.
no - you're reich-wing fraud, and a regular abuser of Melbourne IMC - and Portland <--- let's not forget that one.
Good Research Marg But couldn't you have thrown in some name calling and Bashing Bush say's he can tie Sadam and Osama but stalls all 9-11 investigations 60 mil was spent on investigating the Clinton So far only 3 mil has been apropriated for 9-11
An eye for an eye makes the whole world
blind. When Gulf 2 is over and Saddam
is gone, someone will want to "avenge"
that tyrant by murdering more civilians
in NYC. Then this will start over again.
blind. When Gulf 2 is over and Saddam
is gone, someone will want to "avenge"
that tyrant by murdering more civilians
in NYC. Then this will start over again.
I work in the mainstream news media. Anyone that believes mainstream news people don't use google and other search engines to hunt for information have a lot to learn about the people employed by the corporations that own the news media. Editors google. Reporters google. Copyists google.
One of the editors where I work spends a lot of time at the salon.com. Thanks to me, he's also been spending time at freespeech.org, indymedia, crisispapers.org, and prwatch.org, among many others that I've suggested to him.
A number of other professional news people here have left this company in favor of working for employers that will allow them to report stories that are more informative, well-balanced, and truthful.
War sells! The plastic signs with the word "War" printed on them in big bold font were published before the war started. They were circulated the night of the war to be placed on newspaper racks and on the coin-op newspaper vending machines. The night the war started, the count for newspapers to be published rose by 10, 000.
Mainstream news media is a profit-motivated business. Really, the news isn't important, unless it sells papers. The money is important. Keeping specific political leaders happy is important (lest they void press passes, or for my area, suddenly decide to close the local base and move all base business to another base).
My employer is Gannet. Gannet's main objective is to establish a monopoly. The corporation doesn't just own newspapers. It also owns billboards, radio stations and television stations. It is not a liberal corporation, but a conservative corporation. The corporation endorses right-wing political candidates. The most balanced Gannet papers get is on the op-ed pages, primarily with regard to publishing syndicated columns. Like with my local paper:
Mona Charren isn't really the best syndicated columnist to turn to if you want to learn the whole facts on a matter. She is radically right-wing and totally pro-Bush. Regardless of how glaring negative facts of him may be, she will somehow glorify him while blaming everything wrong in the world on foreigners and liberals.
She's worse than the far-left liberals.
Charley Reese's syndicated columns are the most balanced of all. It's obvious that he accesses the Internet. He's probably gotten some of the facts behind his "Bush wants the war for oil" statements in a column written late last year from similar sources as I've found... Like from webzines catering to oil industry investors.
I'm surprised that my employer publishes Reese's columns. Then again, he's often mistaken as being a conservative. He's not. He is Libertarian. His 1990's columns often focused on what Clinton is doing wrong. As a result, Bush loving readers freaked when they started reading Charley's criticism and allegations that painted Bush in an unsavory light. Suddenly, these old Charley Reese fans went from praising and defending him from angry "liberals," to accusing him of being a liberal and demanding that his columns be removed.
They'd rather read Mona Charren and Will Smith, two syndicated columnists that made the media whores online list.
Media whores... I work with a number of them. They're job scared and willing to put anything into print that'll ensure their security with the company. If that means rejecting any stories on the AP wire and Internet site that isn't promoting and glorifying this war or the Bush administration, and replacing it with local news or fluff that belongs in the local section, not the main section, they'll do it.
Last summer, I detected a backbone in our editors. By October, I learned that how spineless these guys really are. They've been ordered to comply: "No printing anything that links the war, 9/11, or the Bush administration with the types of scandals that the New York Times, Washington Post and Times, the foreign and alternative press reports... Regardless of how true it is. Fall in line, or be prepared to clear your desk."
As for me, I work in a different department and I'm happy. I refuse to work in that news room. In fact, I'm also seeking employment elsewhere because I've lost a lot of respect for my employer over the past five years. Each year brings more spin with less news surrounded by advertisements on fewer pages. When I want to find out what's happening in this country and the world, I go home and log onto the Internet.
I've developed my investigative journalistic skills to be able to know the difference between propaganda, lies, rumers and the truth.
One of the editors where I work spends a lot of time at the salon.com. Thanks to me, he's also been spending time at freespeech.org, indymedia, crisispapers.org, and prwatch.org, among many others that I've suggested to him.
A number of other professional news people here have left this company in favor of working for employers that will allow them to report stories that are more informative, well-balanced, and truthful.
War sells! The plastic signs with the word "War" printed on them in big bold font were published before the war started. They were circulated the night of the war to be placed on newspaper racks and on the coin-op newspaper vending machines. The night the war started, the count for newspapers to be published rose by 10, 000.
Mainstream news media is a profit-motivated business. Really, the news isn't important, unless it sells papers. The money is important. Keeping specific political leaders happy is important (lest they void press passes, or for my area, suddenly decide to close the local base and move all base business to another base).
My employer is Gannet. Gannet's main objective is to establish a monopoly. The corporation doesn't just own newspapers. It also owns billboards, radio stations and television stations. It is not a liberal corporation, but a conservative corporation. The corporation endorses right-wing political candidates. The most balanced Gannet papers get is on the op-ed pages, primarily with regard to publishing syndicated columns. Like with my local paper:
Mona Charren isn't really the best syndicated columnist to turn to if you want to learn the whole facts on a matter. She is radically right-wing and totally pro-Bush. Regardless of how glaring negative facts of him may be, she will somehow glorify him while blaming everything wrong in the world on foreigners and liberals.
She's worse than the far-left liberals.
Charley Reese's syndicated columns are the most balanced of all. It's obvious that he accesses the Internet. He's probably gotten some of the facts behind his "Bush wants the war for oil" statements in a column written late last year from similar sources as I've found... Like from webzines catering to oil industry investors.
I'm surprised that my employer publishes Reese's columns. Then again, he's often mistaken as being a conservative. He's not. He is Libertarian. His 1990's columns often focused on what Clinton is doing wrong. As a result, Bush loving readers freaked when they started reading Charley's criticism and allegations that painted Bush in an unsavory light. Suddenly, these old Charley Reese fans went from praising and defending him from angry "liberals," to accusing him of being a liberal and demanding that his columns be removed.
They'd rather read Mona Charren and Will Smith, two syndicated columnists that made the media whores online list.
Media whores... I work with a number of them. They're job scared and willing to put anything into print that'll ensure their security with the company. If that means rejecting any stories on the AP wire and Internet site that isn't promoting and glorifying this war or the Bush administration, and replacing it with local news or fluff that belongs in the local section, not the main section, they'll do it.
Last summer, I detected a backbone in our editors. By October, I learned that how spineless these guys really are. They've been ordered to comply: "No printing anything that links the war, 9/11, or the Bush administration with the types of scandals that the New York Times, Washington Post and Times, the foreign and alternative press reports... Regardless of how true it is. Fall in line, or be prepared to clear your desk."
As for me, I work in a different department and I'm happy. I refuse to work in that news room. In fact, I'm also seeking employment elsewhere because I've lost a lot of respect for my employer over the past five years. Each year brings more spin with less news surrounded by advertisements on fewer pages. When I want to find out what's happening in this country and the world, I go home and log onto the Internet.
I've developed my investigative journalistic skills to be able to know the difference between propaganda, lies, rumers and the truth.
geo bush and his motley crew of energy pirates are out to rule the world. every day in the wall street journal america's primary business paper...a long list of corporate corruption. ken lay, crook from enron, was geo. w. bush's biggest finacial supporter. in america now the fox rules the henhouse and we march on our way to third world status. we're led by gangsters and fools. bush couldn't manage a burger king without papa's intervention. rumsfeld(good german name) sets the tone for the revival of the 1000 yr reich. my family fought and died (for the usa) fighting the hitler regime..and now 60yrs later the germans are in power in america. first iraq..then syria..iran..france?..germany? we're americans..led by braindead texas cowboys and the corporate crooks who has so far avoided jail. prepare to fight the new fascism. geo w. bush is a business associate of the bin ladin family and the anti-democratic saudi princes...you'll just never read about that fact in the u.s. press.
regards,
king
regards,
king
"Shocked" at the hatred, violence and lack of even a morsel of compassion, by a "Christian Nation Under God". I don't hold to organized religion but it seems there is a whole lot of Old Testament quoting going on by "peaceful, God fearing Christians". As Dubya is a born again Christian, isn't he suppose to be living under the New Testament? As I recall when I read the Bible, Jesus said they were no longer under the old law, but there was a greater law, "Love thy Neighbor as thyself", or was it "Do unto others, as you would have them do unto you"? In either case, how do these so called Christians justify this grade school mentality of name calling, hate mongering, kill'em all attitude? I don't recall Jesus behaving like this, and I thought they were suppose to model their lives after him.
There has been a huge flap about the phrase One Nation Under God in the Pledge. Perhaps if it didn't seem so hypocritical, people wouldn't object.
I don't know what god the prophet Dubya is listening to, but it's not the God I know. Bringing our brand of Democracy to the entire World! His mouth waters just thinking about the power and the TAX Base! I guess his dad forgot to tell him that we don't have a democracy, we live in Republic, yes, we have these elected, or selected leaders, as in the case of Dubya, who are soooo much smarter than we are, to make all our decisions for us, think for us, and tax us to death. I' m sure the first thing, after controling the oil in Iraq will be to set up an IRS office. Welcome to Freedom, folks, where free speech is a fond memory, you may be imprisoned for disagreeing with our leadership, or interned, even if you were born here, remember the Japanese Americans? WWII? Born in the good ol' USA, but living in camps. Yes, we have become the biggest bully in the school yard. We're coming to take your lunch money. The next week we may be looking for another victim, with great natural resources, like oil! Ignore N. Korea, of course, they don't have oil. What about those pesky Chinese? Nah, no oil over there, even though weapons of mass destruction are all over the globe, we only want the land with that black gold, Texas Tea, yes, the Bushies are coming to your neighborhood soon, better hide your lunch money.......
There has been a huge flap about the phrase One Nation Under God in the Pledge. Perhaps if it didn't seem so hypocritical, people wouldn't object.
I don't know what god the prophet Dubya is listening to, but it's not the God I know. Bringing our brand of Democracy to the entire World! His mouth waters just thinking about the power and the TAX Base! I guess his dad forgot to tell him that we don't have a democracy, we live in Republic, yes, we have these elected, or selected leaders, as in the case of Dubya, who are soooo much smarter than we are, to make all our decisions for us, think for us, and tax us to death. I' m sure the first thing, after controling the oil in Iraq will be to set up an IRS office. Welcome to Freedom, folks, where free speech is a fond memory, you may be imprisoned for disagreeing with our leadership, or interned, even if you were born here, remember the Japanese Americans? WWII? Born in the good ol' USA, but living in camps. Yes, we have become the biggest bully in the school yard. We're coming to take your lunch money. The next week we may be looking for another victim, with great natural resources, like oil! Ignore N. Korea, of course, they don't have oil. What about those pesky Chinese? Nah, no oil over there, even though weapons of mass destruction are all over the globe, we only want the land with that black gold, Texas Tea, yes, the Bushies are coming to your neighborhood soon, better hide your lunch money.......
Let’s get this straight. There is so much
disinformation- so much “bumpersticker philosophy”-
that just gets in the way of the facts.
Let’s get to the facts. We’re all gonna have to stand
for what we believe, and what we believe should be
based on facts. If you, the reader, find a factual
error in this little essay, please call it to my
attention.
George W. Bush. has stated the following reasons for
invading Iraq, all of which are accurate except the
last: (1) Iraq used chemical weapons, (2) Iraq tried
to build nuclear weapons, and (3) the US tried to
bring Iraq into the "family of nations" (said first by
Bush Sr). He is correct that Iraq was willing to use
chemical weapons and has been trying to build nuclear
weapons for years. Of course, he just fails to mention
that the US was willing to sell, and to help Iraq use,
chemical weapons of mass destruction and that his
friends profited handsomely in so doing. He also fails
to note that today Hussein is not seen as an immediate
threat by it's Arab neighbors, none of whom have
called for his ouster, and that Iraq has only a shadow
of the power it had in 1990.
There is also a repeated attempt to connect Iraq with
9/11. There is no factual connection.
Iraq has no nuclear weapons. They had a nuclear
reactor to generate power. It’s gone.
The conditions under which we have tried to bring Iraq
into the “family of nations” are degrading and
unacceptable to Iraq. The offers were never serious
and were not expected to be accepted.
OK... If Iraq has chemical weapons, how did it get
them?
I’m culling this from a variety of official and news
related web sites. If there is a copyright
infringement, it’s unintentional and I apologize.
Call it to my attention and I’ll remedy it.
Do you remember Iraq-gate? -- when US policy makers,
financiers, arms-suppliers and makers, made massive
profits from sales to Iraq of myriad chemical,
biological, conventional weapons, and the equipment to
make nuclear weapons? Iraqgate was in fact also part
of Irangate, and both are about a shadow government
that circumvents domestic and international laws in
arming regimes and terrorist organizations to enhance
the profits of US businessmen and corporations.
Oliver North, Bush Sr., Robert McFarlane, and Gen.
Secord, and others purchased from the CIA spare parts
for US-made weapons and more than two thousand TOW
missiles, which the CIA had purchased at discount
rates from the Pentagon. Secord and North sold the
weapons and parts to Iran in exchange for cash and the
release of US hostages in Lebanon.
Insiders considered these trades "business as usual."
Former General Secord, for instance, unashamedly told
Congressional investigators during the Iran-Contra
hearings that his arms-dealing firm, the "Enterprise,"
which sold the TOWs to other brokers and then to Iran,
was a legitimate profit-making business. And as we all
know, at the other end of the deal, North channeled a
portion of the proceeds from those sales through Swiss
banks and to the terrorist Contras in Honduras. Their
job was to overthrow the Sandinista regime that
overthrew the brutal 43-year Somoza family
dictatorship supported by the US.
George Bush [Sr.], operating largely behind the scenes
throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of
the financing, intelligence, and military help that
built Saddam's Iraq into the aggressive power.
At least since mid-1980s the US was selling chemical
and biological material for weapons to Iraq and
orchestrating private sales. These sales began soon
after current Secretary of State, Donald Rumsfeld
traveled to Baghdad in 1985 and met with Saddam
Hussein as a private businessman on behalf of the
Reagan administration. In the last major battle of the
Iran-Iraq war, some 65,000 Iranians were killed, many
by gas.
Yes, this did happen-what's left untold in this story
is that the US provided the chemicals and lent tacit
support to the attacks because at the time Iraq's war
against the Kurds and Iranians were seen as serving US
interests. On top of that, the man who ordered some of
those attacks, General Nizar Al-Khazraji, is now one
of the United States' top candidates for Saddam's job
if the US is able to defeat the Iraqis and put in a
client regime.
By late 1992, the sales of chemical and biological
weapons were revealed. Congressional Records of
Senator Riegle's investigation of the Gulf War
Syndrome show that the US government approved sales of
large varieties of chemical and biological materials
to Iraq. These included anthrax, components of mustard
gas, botulinum toxins (which causes paralysis of the
muscles involving swallowing and is often fatal),
histoplasma capsulatum (which may cause pneumonia,
enlargement of the liver and spleen, anemia, acute
inflammatory skin disease marked by tender red
nodules), and a host of other nasty chemicals
materials.
Brent Scowcroft served as Vice Chairman of Kissinger
Associates until being appointed as National Security
Advisor to President Bush in January 1989. Until
October 4,1990, Mr. Scowcroft owned stock in
approximately 40 U.S. corporations, many of which were
doing business in Iraq." Scowcroft's stock included
that in Halliburton Oil, also doing business in Iraq
at the time, which had also been run by current Vice
President Dick Cheney for a time. Recall that this
year President George Bush Sr. faced suspicion of
insider trading in relation to selling his stock in
Halliburton. The companies that Scowcroft owned stock
in, received more than one out of every eight U.S.
export licenses for exports to Iraq. Several of the
companies were also clients of Kissinger Associates
while Mr. Scowcroft was Vice Chairman of that firm.
Thus, Kissinger Associates helped US companies obtain
US export licenses with BNL-finance so Iraq could
purchase US weapons and materials for its weapons
programs.
So that answers the question- they’ve got chemical
weapons because a group of Americans, who apparently
consider themselves above national and international
law, sold them to them. Many of these sales were
subsidized by tax dollars. Why do the same people
who sold them the chemical weapons want to attack them
now?
I’ll be writing more later. In the meantime, here are
some links that are interesting:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
http://www.infowars.com/tyranny.htm
http://www.thedubyareport.com/bushbin.html
disinformation- so much “bumpersticker philosophy”-
that just gets in the way of the facts.
Let’s get to the facts. We’re all gonna have to stand
for what we believe, and what we believe should be
based on facts. If you, the reader, find a factual
error in this little essay, please call it to my
attention.
George W. Bush. has stated the following reasons for
invading Iraq, all of which are accurate except the
last: (1) Iraq used chemical weapons, (2) Iraq tried
to build nuclear weapons, and (3) the US tried to
bring Iraq into the "family of nations" (said first by
Bush Sr). He is correct that Iraq was willing to use
chemical weapons and has been trying to build nuclear
weapons for years. Of course, he just fails to mention
that the US was willing to sell, and to help Iraq use,
chemical weapons of mass destruction and that his
friends profited handsomely in so doing. He also fails
to note that today Hussein is not seen as an immediate
threat by it's Arab neighbors, none of whom have
called for his ouster, and that Iraq has only a shadow
of the power it had in 1990.
There is also a repeated attempt to connect Iraq with
9/11. There is no factual connection.
Iraq has no nuclear weapons. They had a nuclear
reactor to generate power. It’s gone.
The conditions under which we have tried to bring Iraq
into the “family of nations” are degrading and
unacceptable to Iraq. The offers were never serious
and were not expected to be accepted.
OK... If Iraq has chemical weapons, how did it get
them?
I’m culling this from a variety of official and news
related web sites. If there is a copyright
infringement, it’s unintentional and I apologize.
Call it to my attention and I’ll remedy it.
Do you remember Iraq-gate? -- when US policy makers,
financiers, arms-suppliers and makers, made massive
profits from sales to Iraq of myriad chemical,
biological, conventional weapons, and the equipment to
make nuclear weapons? Iraqgate was in fact also part
of Irangate, and both are about a shadow government
that circumvents domestic and international laws in
arming regimes and terrorist organizations to enhance
the profits of US businessmen and corporations.
Oliver North, Bush Sr., Robert McFarlane, and Gen.
Secord, and others purchased from the CIA spare parts
for US-made weapons and more than two thousand TOW
missiles, which the CIA had purchased at discount
rates from the Pentagon. Secord and North sold the
weapons and parts to Iran in exchange for cash and the
release of US hostages in Lebanon.
Insiders considered these trades "business as usual."
Former General Secord, for instance, unashamedly told
Congressional investigators during the Iran-Contra
hearings that his arms-dealing firm, the "Enterprise,"
which sold the TOWs to other brokers and then to Iran,
was a legitimate profit-making business. And as we all
know, at the other end of the deal, North channeled a
portion of the proceeds from those sales through Swiss
banks and to the terrorist Contras in Honduras. Their
job was to overthrow the Sandinista regime that
overthrew the brutal 43-year Somoza family
dictatorship supported by the US.
George Bush [Sr.], operating largely behind the scenes
throughout the 1980s, initiated and supported much of
the financing, intelligence, and military help that
built Saddam's Iraq into the aggressive power.
At least since mid-1980s the US was selling chemical
and biological material for weapons to Iraq and
orchestrating private sales. These sales began soon
after current Secretary of State, Donald Rumsfeld
traveled to Baghdad in 1985 and met with Saddam
Hussein as a private businessman on behalf of the
Reagan administration. In the last major battle of the
Iran-Iraq war, some 65,000 Iranians were killed, many
by gas.
Yes, this did happen-what's left untold in this story
is that the US provided the chemicals and lent tacit
support to the attacks because at the time Iraq's war
against the Kurds and Iranians were seen as serving US
interests. On top of that, the man who ordered some of
those attacks, General Nizar Al-Khazraji, is now one
of the United States' top candidates for Saddam's job
if the US is able to defeat the Iraqis and put in a
client regime.
By late 1992, the sales of chemical and biological
weapons were revealed. Congressional Records of
Senator Riegle's investigation of the Gulf War
Syndrome show that the US government approved sales of
large varieties of chemical and biological materials
to Iraq. These included anthrax, components of mustard
gas, botulinum toxins (which causes paralysis of the
muscles involving swallowing and is often fatal),
histoplasma capsulatum (which may cause pneumonia,
enlargement of the liver and spleen, anemia, acute
inflammatory skin disease marked by tender red
nodules), and a host of other nasty chemicals
materials.
Brent Scowcroft served as Vice Chairman of Kissinger
Associates until being appointed as National Security
Advisor to President Bush in January 1989. Until
October 4,1990, Mr. Scowcroft owned stock in
approximately 40 U.S. corporations, many of which were
doing business in Iraq." Scowcroft's stock included
that in Halliburton Oil, also doing business in Iraq
at the time, which had also been run by current Vice
President Dick Cheney for a time. Recall that this
year President George Bush Sr. faced suspicion of
insider trading in relation to selling his stock in
Halliburton. The companies that Scowcroft owned stock
in, received more than one out of every eight U.S.
export licenses for exports to Iraq. Several of the
companies were also clients of Kissinger Associates
while Mr. Scowcroft was Vice Chairman of that firm.
Thus, Kissinger Associates helped US companies obtain
US export licenses with BNL-finance so Iraq could
purchase US weapons and materials for its weapons
programs.
So that answers the question- they’ve got chemical
weapons because a group of Americans, who apparently
consider themselves above national and international
law, sold them to them. Many of these sales were
subsidized by tax dollars. Why do the same people
who sold them the chemical weapons want to attack them
now?
I’ll be writing more later. In the meantime, here are
some links that are interesting:
http://www.newamericancentury.org/statementofprinciples.htm
http://www.infowars.com/tyranny.htm
http://www.thedubyareport.com/bushbin.html
"All of us have heard this term 'preventive war' since the earliest days of Hitler. I recall that is about the first time I heard it. In this day and time...I don't believe there is such a thing; and, frankly, I wouldn't even listen to anyone seriously that came in and talked about such a thing." -- President Dwight Eisenhower, 1953, upon being presented with plans to wage preventive war to disarm Stalin's Soviet Union
Govorner Geroge W. Bush's grandfather and great-grandfather, Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker, were among the chief American fundraisers for Germany's Nazi Party. Through industrialist Fritz Thyssen, the Bush-run Union Banking Company and W. A. Harriman & Company, the Bushes sold over $50 million in German bonds to American investors, starting in 1924. Thyssen in turn pumped money into the infant Nazi Party, which had proved its desire to rule and its willingness to use brute force in 1923's Munich Beer Hall Putsch.
George Walker, GW's great-grandfather, also set up the takeover of the Hamburg-America Line, a cover for I.G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the United States. In Germany, I.G. Farben was most famous for putting the gas in gas chambers; it was the producer of Zyklon B and other gasses used on victims of the Holocaust. The Bush family was not unaware of the nature of their investment partners. They hired Allen Dulles, the future head of the CIA, to hide the funds they were making from Nazi investments and the funds they were sending to Nazi Germany, rather than divest. It was only in 1942, when the government seized Union Banking Company assets under the Trading With The Enemy Act, that George Walker and Prescott Bush stopped pumping money into Hitler's regime.
Govorner Geroge W. Bush's grandfather and great-grandfather, Prescott Bush and George Herbert Walker, were among the chief American fundraisers for Germany's Nazi Party. Through industrialist Fritz Thyssen, the Bush-run Union Banking Company and W. A. Harriman & Company, the Bushes sold over $50 million in German bonds to American investors, starting in 1924. Thyssen in turn pumped money into the infant Nazi Party, which had proved its desire to rule and its willingness to use brute force in 1923's Munich Beer Hall Putsch.
George Walker, GW's great-grandfather, also set up the takeover of the Hamburg-America Line, a cover for I.G. Farben's Nazi espionage unit in the United States. In Germany, I.G. Farben was most famous for putting the gas in gas chambers; it was the producer of Zyklon B and other gasses used on victims of the Holocaust. The Bush family was not unaware of the nature of their investment partners. They hired Allen Dulles, the future head of the CIA, to hide the funds they were making from Nazi investments and the funds they were sending to Nazi Germany, rather than divest. It was only in 1942, when the government seized Union Banking Company assets under the Trading With The Enemy Act, that George Walker and Prescott Bush stopped pumping money into Hitler's regime.
I stand corrected. According to Washington Post today, "70% of Americans polled said they approved of Bush's handling of the Iraq crisis, a surge of 19 points in just 10 days. At the same time, the percentage of people who disapproved of the president's Iraq policies dropped 15 points, to 27 percent, the New York Times reported." Thank you to all the protesters on the streets today!
For the record, I don't just do google searches for information, but there sure is a lot of information on the internet & it's really annoying having to go elsewhere for the news because of media bias. Been reading:
Forbidden Truth
It's Still the Economy Stupid
Fortunate Son
The End of The American Era
Stupid White Men
The Best Democracy Money Can Buy
The Conscience of A Liberal
Daughters of Brittania
Savage Beauty biog of Edna St. Vincent Millay
O'Henry (because we need balance and positive things in our heads)
Harpers March 2003 issue
http://www.buzzflash.com
http://www.gregpalast.com
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
Listening to:
C-Span
AM drivetime radio: http://www.rprogreso.com (Francisco Aruca)
PM drivetime radio: http://www.therandirhodesshow.com
The message I'm trying to get across is don't believe me or anyone else, look things up, verify.
For the record, I don't just do google searches for information, but there sure is a lot of information on the internet & it's really annoying having to go elsewhere for the news because of media bias. Been reading:
Forbidden Truth
It's Still the Economy Stupid
Fortunate Son
The End of The American Era
Stupid White Men
The Best Democracy Money Can Buy
The Conscience of A Liberal
Daughters of Brittania
Savage Beauty biog of Edna St. Vincent Millay
O'Henry (because we need balance and positive things in our heads)
Harpers March 2003 issue
http://www.buzzflash.com
http://www.gregpalast.com
http://www.newamericancentury.org/RebuildingAmericasDefenses.pdf
Listening to:
C-Span
AM drivetime radio: http://www.rprogreso.com (Francisco Aruca)
PM drivetime radio: http://www.therandirhodesshow.com
The message I'm trying to get across is don't believe me or anyone else, look things up, verify.
I've had it with American and British designs on new imperialism.....Fuck actually. Cos at some point you will reap what you sow.
I've had it with American and British designs on new imperialism.....Fuck you actually, you hick. Cos at some point you will reap what you sow.
why is he a bastard
bec. he keeps weapons that u.s.a and israel keeps??!!
who appointed u.s.a as a supervisor over arabian countries in the first place to tell them do this do that
bec. he keeps weapons that u.s.a and israel keeps??!!
who appointed u.s.a as a supervisor over arabian countries in the first place to tell them do this do that
why is he a bastard
bec. he keeps weapons that u.s.a and israel keeps??!!
who appointed u.s.a as a supervisor over arabian countries in the first place to tell them do this do that
bec. he keeps weapons that u.s.a and israel keeps??!!
who appointed u.s.a as a supervisor over arabian countries in the first place to tell them do this do that
This should have happened 11 years ago after Saddam started fucking around with the terms of his surrender.
Like bitching becase you don't like your mortgage. Don't sign something you don't intend to honor.
Gallup has you guys a 2 to 1 minority.
By the way did you see the jiz in my eara footage of the dead americans. That stuff around the hole in the guys head is called stipling. That happens when you fire a weapon into someones head at point blank range. Guess he deserved it..
Like bitching becase you don't like your mortgage. Don't sign something you don't intend to honor.
Gallup has you guys a 2 to 1 minority.
By the way did you see the jiz in my eara footage of the dead americans. That stuff around the hole in the guys head is called stipling. That happens when you fire a weapon into someones head at point blank range. Guess he deserved it..
Pictures of the WTC attacks? There is a huge difference between the WTC attacks and our current attack on the people of Iraq - our attack is far more heinous. Our attack on the people of Iraq is sanctioned by the most powerful state in the world and the majority of its citizens. Moreover, all of the citizens of this country are funding the killing of innocent civilians through our tax dollars. Al Qaeda is an extremist terrorist organization with membership in the thousands. Killings endorsed and funded by millions of Americans is far more evil, simply by virtue of the magnitude of support for these killings.
LOL@comments on boycotting US Products, since that would literally hurt the economy of China and Thailand. Nah, must come up with a better strategy.
Get it right stupid it was sadam we went after not Iraq people. Just look how happy they are to be free. But you don't want that you would rather we killed 100000 so you could say we went after them.You are a sorry bunch. But all left wing wackos are the same nut cases.
How many Iraqi's were involved S11?...zero.
Predominantly Saudi's, next country please.
Are there any credible links between Al-Qaeda and Saddam Husseins regime?
no, and no amount of media pounding by your jingoistic networks can convince the world otherwise(only a frighteningly high number of "patriots").
Where are the weapons of mass destruction?
Probably in whatever country next has the desired assets and despotic qualities to distract the largely ignorant American public from the demise of their economy.
S11 is result of decades of foreign policy doctrine pursued by multiple US regimes to further economic and political influence over the globes strategic rsources. Am I using big scary words for you Gringos?
Empires wax and wane, violence and destruction will only beget more pain. The world, that is five and half billion people will come to celebrate bewildered ignorant media conned U.S citizens burn. A tradgedy of voter apathy and parochial "patriots" who confuse justice with might and perpetuate untold suffering out of view of their insulated fast food, SUV Americana.
Whatever happened to positive engagement, the exchange of ideas, comprehending culture views and practices outside our immediate domain? The U.S regime and more over its citizens have enormous potential for building over bulldozing. Surely a short foray into the spin/sucker relationship between people and the "media ministries" would illuminate so many people of the inconsistency, the manipulation and smoke and light shows that compel "pride" in wholesale killing.
escape the media induced slumber that coddles your conscience.
Predominantly Saudi's, next country please.
Are there any credible links between Al-Qaeda and Saddam Husseins regime?
no, and no amount of media pounding by your jingoistic networks can convince the world otherwise(only a frighteningly high number of "patriots").
Where are the weapons of mass destruction?
Probably in whatever country next has the desired assets and despotic qualities to distract the largely ignorant American public from the demise of their economy.
S11 is result of decades of foreign policy doctrine pursued by multiple US regimes to further economic and political influence over the globes strategic rsources. Am I using big scary words for you Gringos?
Empires wax and wane, violence and destruction will only beget more pain. The world, that is five and half billion people will come to celebrate bewildered ignorant media conned U.S citizens burn. A tradgedy of voter apathy and parochial "patriots" who confuse justice with might and perpetuate untold suffering out of view of their insulated fast food, SUV Americana.
Whatever happened to positive engagement, the exchange of ideas, comprehending culture views and practices outside our immediate domain? The U.S regime and more over its citizens have enormous potential for building over bulldozing. Surely a short foray into the spin/sucker relationship between people and the "media ministries" would illuminate so many people of the inconsistency, the manipulation and smoke and light shows that compel "pride" in wholesale killing.
escape the media induced slumber that coddles your conscience.
what the sign should have been bigger!!!!!!!!!
All the great religoins are based on earlyer myths.Islam like Christanity evolved from Greek,Egytian,and various middel eastern myths.
As for the poor Iraqis remember this.Iraqi civilians were not allowed to leave thier homes and get out of harms way.The baathist regime wanted as many Iraqi civilains as possable.
In fact thier have been several masacers from fleeing civilains trying to hide.They were reported on free Iraqi webs sites like http://www.Iraqfoundation.org
Liittle Ali would have still have arms and a family if thier were allowed to hide.Instead they turned into propaganda tools...
As for the poor Iraqis remember this.Iraqi civilians were not allowed to leave thier homes and get out of harms way.The baathist regime wanted as many Iraqi civilains as possable.
In fact thier have been several masacers from fleeing civilains trying to hide.They were reported on free Iraqi webs sites like http://www.Iraqfoundation.org
Liittle Ali would have still have arms and a family if thier were allowed to hide.Instead they turned into propaganda tools...
You're blaming the victim for the crime.
America started the war. Iraq never attacked America. Iraq never was a threat to America. America attacked Iraq out of purely selfish, imperialist greed, and to rid Israel of one of its enemies. Iraq was Israel's enemy, not America's. Iraq is America's victim. America was wrong to attack Iraq.Our payback will be as unpleasant as it is inevitable.
All government exists for one reason, and one reason alone: To control us. Some leaders of some governments will tell you that your free, and while doing so, force your people into a war that should never have happened; and some other governments will do terrible things to its own people. All government is terror, that is why you are put into a dark, disgusting prison cell if you refuse to follow its rules, or in some cases the punishment you will recieve is death. But why would you have to follow these rules, you probably never voted for the blunt majority of them, Ill tell you why, BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT ONLY ACHIEVED ITS HIGH POSITION, AS OPPOSED TO ANY OTHER, BY HAVING MORE MONEY, MORE WEAPONS, AND MORE PEOPLE BLINDLY FOLLOWING ITS OPPRESSIVE REGIME THAN ANY OTHER THAT MAY HAVE SURFACED AT THE TIME.
My message is not one of war, it is one of peace. With all the "scary" things happening in the world today, we dont need anymore violence brought on by our (in most cases) melevelent leaders, we need to join heads as a speices and stand up to our schoolyard bully. Not by fighting with weapons, but by fighting with action. If there is something that you want to do, as long as it does not harm another human being, or take away their right to a free world, then do it. Dont worry about what will happen, the government cant keep us all in line at once in the same moment, so practice living freely. And ACHEIVE PEACE BY MEANS OF PEACEFUL ACTION.
(A) = FREEDOM
My message is not one of war, it is one of peace. With all the "scary" things happening in the world today, we dont need anymore violence brought on by our (in most cases) melevelent leaders, we need to join heads as a speices and stand up to our schoolyard bully. Not by fighting with weapons, but by fighting with action. If there is something that you want to do, as long as it does not harm another human being, or take away their right to a free world, then do it. Dont worry about what will happen, the government cant keep us all in line at once in the same moment, so practice living freely. And ACHEIVE PEACE BY MEANS OF PEACEFUL ACTION.
(A) = FREEDOM
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