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SFPD Spies are Back
(From today's SF Bay Guardian)
The San Francisco Police Department has been monitoring a radical Web site [SFIMC], using undercover officers to spy on antiwar protesters, and apparently collecting personal information about political dissidents, the Bay Guardian has learned.
The San Francisco Police Department has been monitoring a radical Web site [SFIMC], using undercover officers to spy on antiwar protesters, and apparently collecting personal information about political dissidents, the Bay Guardian has learned.
The San Francisco Police Department has been monitoring a radical Web site, using undercover officers to spy on antiwar protesters, and apparently collecting personal information about political dissidents, the Bay Guardian has learned.
A confidential police memo, part of a dossier obtained under the Sunshine Ordinance, acknowledges that at least some of the activities appear to violate the department's own rules.
The internal SFPD documents and a new audit performed by the city's police watchdog agency, the Office of Citizen Complaints, indicate the department has been gathering intelligence on the militant wing of the antiwar movement since last fall. Taken as a whole, the documents suggest some SFPD commanders may have orchestrated a secret spying program without the knowledge of top police officials.
"Undercover surveillance was requested and conducted at anti-war demonstrations on October 26, 2002, January 18, 2003 and February 16, 2003 without proper authorization by the Chief of Police," the OCC audit states.
Approval for the operations went up as high as deputy chiefs David Robinson and Greg Suhr, both of whom are under indictment for their alleged involvement in the Union Street beating scandal, documents show.
Directed by Lt. Kitt Crenshaw, a group of four officers assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force – a unit that normally handles gang killings – carried out the undercover operations. Dressed as protesters, the squad videotaped the demonstrations and marched along Market Street in the large antiwar parades as well as in the smaller, riotous "breakaway" marches. They also made a handful of arrests for vandalism.
Jonah Zern, an Oakland substitute teacher, was one of two people busted by the squad during the raucous splinter march that snaked through downtown Jan. 18. "All of a sudden the undercover cop jumped out and started beating me up," Zern said. "Then uniformed cops started beating up the undercover guy, apparently thinking he wasn't an officer."
The cops quickly figured it out and hauled Zern and another man, Jeremy Rochelle, down to the county jail at 850 Bryant St., charging both men with an array of felonies. Two days later the protesters were released without bail, and all charges were eventually dropped.
The police squad also logged on to the local Independent Media Center Web site (sf.indymedia.org), a hub of leftist news and discussion. Attached to one police report is a posting on the site by a local activist group, Direct Action to Stop the War, calling for "EMERGENCY MASS NONVIOLENT DIRECT ACTION & PROTEST" on the day the bombs start falling on Baghdad.
The task force's paper trail hints at what may be a broader spying program. One memo says that prior to the Oct. 26 march, "information received by (FOB) Field Operations Bureau revealed that the potential existed for criminal activity" to occur at the protest. Another memo states, "Individuals and groups opposed to United States actions in Iraq are planning possible criminal activity." Other reports confidently identify "East Bay" anarchists as the major force behind the splinter marches and worry about the threat posed by queer shit-disturbers in the Gay Shame and Pink Rage groups.
When interviewed by the Bay Guardian, Crenshaw denied keeping tabs on dissidents outside of protest situations. "We've never tried to infiltrate groups," he told us. "We don't gather intelligence or spy on people. We receive information from average citizens, news sources."
In a two-page message he sent to Capt. Paul Chignell, Crenshaw described "First Amendment activities" as a "guise" used by some radical groups to "conduct their contemptuous acts against corporate and government structures."
The SFPD established strict guidelines on surveillance after S.F. cop Tom Gerard, a former Central Intelligence Agency operative, was caught spying on Bay Area leftists in 1992. Working with the Anti-Defamation League, Gerard had compiled dossiers on some 7,000 radicals.
According to the SFPD's spying rules, which remain in place today, police must receive written permission from the "Commanding Officer of the Special Investigations Division, Deputy Chief of Investigations and the Chief of Police" before mounting a surveillance operation. In the files we reviewed there's no mention of the appropriate command staff being involved in the recent undercover operations.
Lt. Morris Tabak, head of the Special Investigations Division, said he thought Suhr, Robinson, and Crenshaw had inadvertently transgressed department rules. "People make mistakes, and I hope that's what this was," he told us, adding that the guidelines in question are "lengthy" and "confusing."
The rules also bar the police from collecting "information of personal nature that does not relate to a criminal investigation." In its audit the OCC found reason to believe this edict had been violated.
A confidential police memo, part of a dossier obtained under the Sunshine Ordinance, acknowledges that at least some of the activities appear to violate the department's own rules.
The internal SFPD documents and a new audit performed by the city's police watchdog agency, the Office of Citizen Complaints, indicate the department has been gathering intelligence on the militant wing of the antiwar movement since last fall. Taken as a whole, the documents suggest some SFPD commanders may have orchestrated a secret spying program without the knowledge of top police officials.
"Undercover surveillance was requested and conducted at anti-war demonstrations on October 26, 2002, January 18, 2003 and February 16, 2003 without proper authorization by the Chief of Police," the OCC audit states.
Approval for the operations went up as high as deputy chiefs David Robinson and Greg Suhr, both of whom are under indictment for their alleged involvement in the Union Street beating scandal, documents show.
Directed by Lt. Kitt Crenshaw, a group of four officers assigned to the Violent Crimes Task Force – a unit that normally handles gang killings – carried out the undercover operations. Dressed as protesters, the squad videotaped the demonstrations and marched along Market Street in the large antiwar parades as well as in the smaller, riotous "breakaway" marches. They also made a handful of arrests for vandalism.
Jonah Zern, an Oakland substitute teacher, was one of two people busted by the squad during the raucous splinter march that snaked through downtown Jan. 18. "All of a sudden the undercover cop jumped out and started beating me up," Zern said. "Then uniformed cops started beating up the undercover guy, apparently thinking he wasn't an officer."
The cops quickly figured it out and hauled Zern and another man, Jeremy Rochelle, down to the county jail at 850 Bryant St., charging both men with an array of felonies. Two days later the protesters were released without bail, and all charges were eventually dropped.
The police squad also logged on to the local Independent Media Center Web site (sf.indymedia.org), a hub of leftist news and discussion. Attached to one police report is a posting on the site by a local activist group, Direct Action to Stop the War, calling for "EMERGENCY MASS NONVIOLENT DIRECT ACTION & PROTEST" on the day the bombs start falling on Baghdad.
The task force's paper trail hints at what may be a broader spying program. One memo says that prior to the Oct. 26 march, "information received by (FOB) Field Operations Bureau revealed that the potential existed for criminal activity" to occur at the protest. Another memo states, "Individuals and groups opposed to United States actions in Iraq are planning possible criminal activity." Other reports confidently identify "East Bay" anarchists as the major force behind the splinter marches and worry about the threat posed by queer shit-disturbers in the Gay Shame and Pink Rage groups.
When interviewed by the Bay Guardian, Crenshaw denied keeping tabs on dissidents outside of protest situations. "We've never tried to infiltrate groups," he told us. "We don't gather intelligence or spy on people. We receive information from average citizens, news sources."
In a two-page message he sent to Capt. Paul Chignell, Crenshaw described "First Amendment activities" as a "guise" used by some radical groups to "conduct their contemptuous acts against corporate and government structures."
The SFPD established strict guidelines on surveillance after S.F. cop Tom Gerard, a former Central Intelligence Agency operative, was caught spying on Bay Area leftists in 1992. Working with the Anti-Defamation League, Gerard had compiled dossiers on some 7,000 radicals.
According to the SFPD's spying rules, which remain in place today, police must receive written permission from the "Commanding Officer of the Special Investigations Division, Deputy Chief of Investigations and the Chief of Police" before mounting a surveillance operation. In the files we reviewed there's no mention of the appropriate command staff being involved in the recent undercover operations.
Lt. Morris Tabak, head of the Special Investigations Division, said he thought Suhr, Robinson, and Crenshaw had inadvertently transgressed department rules. "People make mistakes, and I hope that's what this was," he told us, adding that the guidelines in question are "lengthy" and "confusing."
The rules also bar the police from collecting "information of personal nature that does not relate to a criminal investigation." In its audit the OCC found reason to believe this edict had been violated.
For more information:
http://sfbg.com/37/24/x_news_war.html
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Just look for the plaid shirts and baseball caps. Often sunglasses as well. Piggy gear worn around the waist can also be spotted under layers of clothing.
Nice work. One of the undercover cops has been identified here:
http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/03/1581892.php
http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/03/1581892.php
I'd love to compare any spy pics of me with the ones they took in the 60's---to see how I've grown...
For more information:
http://www.signsofresistance.com
Why are the police undercover at peace rallies? Are they afraid of being identified as the covert facists they really are? Why does the law enforcement secretly monitor this website and others like it? Are they afraid to let the people hear the truth? Where does it say in the Constitution in order to assemble you must be monitored by the government. You say this movement is stupid, how stupid is it to have a president who is willing to drop nuclear bombs and destroy the world thus killing & you me and the police and do nothing. If this happens, which I hope it won't, I will be able to leave this earth and feel I did something for humanity. Will you feel the same? Probably not.
>Why are the police undercover at peace rallies? Are they afraid of being identified as the covert facists they really are?
Maybe they're just following the lead of the black bloc and pink rage who hide behind masks. You know, fight fire with fire.
Maybe they're just following the lead of the black bloc and pink rage who hide behind masks. You know, fight fire with fire.
well, if they didn't use the illegally gathered info for rotten purposes, I wouldn't have to wear a mask.
you see how their info gathering crusades on dissidents end up.
for two extreme examples on different sides of the spectrum look up what happened with Judy Bari and what happened at Ruby Ridge.
but let's face it, some people feel more comfort under a police state. fascism finds it's way into all sectors of society.....even the 'left' and 'peace' movements.
you see how their info gathering crusades on dissidents end up.
for two extreme examples on different sides of the spectrum look up what happened with Judy Bari and what happened at Ruby Ridge.
but let's face it, some people feel more comfort under a police state. fascism finds it's way into all sectors of society.....even the 'left' and 'peace' movements.
Maybe there are under cover cops at the demonstrations because they know that some of the idiots will wait until they think the coast is clear before smashen-n-trashen. These idiots give any group a bad rap, whether your for or against a issue.
I see you deleted my post from this afternoon, as usual free speach to the extreme left is free only as long as it is in agreement... you are all a bad sick joke
Hey guys,
I just want to tell you all GOOD JOB! This article shows me that heroic people with your thirst for justice have given these( who are supposed to fight for justice,) goofballs something to fear. Keep on keepin on SF!!
I just want to tell you all GOOD JOB! This article shows me that heroic people with your thirst for justice have given these( who are supposed to fight for justice,) goofballs something to fear. Keep on keepin on SF!!
This country operates as a free society and thus everything that is guaranteed to one is guaranteed to all. If you don't want the cops to know what you are up to, don't post it. In checking out the latest Black Bloc postings, I see why the cops are curious. I don't believe in having my public institutions destroyed by punks, not by right-wing militia, left-wing radicals or anarchists. It all costs money to replace. We already spend too much on defense and not enough on our schools, elderly etc. I want the cops nabbing the "bad guys" and as far as I can tell, they hate to be made to work the demonstrations, although they usually make lots of OT. They actually seem to enjoy standing around making the OT, rather than battling it out with the punks.
What do you expect - people openly plan criminal activities here (examples - recent calls for Black Blocs to smash stuff, calls for people to beat up pro-war protesters), should the cops ignore it?
Tim
Tim
Tim, we expect them to:
1) follow their own policies and procedures,
2) respect the right of people to protest
I'm all for cops reading Indymedia (for those cops who can actually read, that is). They might learn something.
1) follow their own policies and procedures,
2) respect the right of people to protest
I'm all for cops reading Indymedia (for those cops who can actually read, that is). They might learn something.
"1) follow their own policies and procedures,"
Do their procedures forbid them from reading a website that is open to the public as a news source and discussion forum? If so, those procedures are pretty dumb. If you put up posters saying "Black Bloc meet here at 5 PM to smash everything," would the police have to avert their eyes from these posters so they weren't carrying out evil surveillance?
"2) respect the right of people to protest"
I'm all for the right to protest - not the right to hurt people or vandalise everything in sight.
Tim
Do their procedures forbid them from reading a website that is open to the public as a news source and discussion forum? If so, those procedures are pretty dumb. If you put up posters saying "Black Bloc meet here at 5 PM to smash everything," would the police have to avert their eyes from these posters so they weren't carrying out evil surveillance?
"2) respect the right of people to protest"
I'm all for the right to protest - not the right to hurt people or vandalise everything in sight.
Tim
U.S. Arms Transfers and Security Assistance to Israel An Arms Trade Resource Center Fact Sheet by William D. Hartung and Frida Berrigan May 6, 2002 U.S. press coverage of Israeli attacks on the Palestinian Authority and Palestinian towns on the West Bank often treat the U.S. government as either an innocent bystander or an honest broker in the current conflict, often without giving a full sense of the importance of the United States role as a supplier of arms, aid, and military technology to Israel. In its role as Israel’s primary arms supplier, the United States could exert significant potential leverage over Israeli behavior in the conflict, if it chooses to do so. Military and Economic Aid Since 1976, Israel had been the largest annual recipient of U.S. foreign assistance. According to a November 2001 Congressional Research Service report, Israel: U.S. Foreign Assistance, U.S. aid to Israel in the last half century has totaled a whopping $81.3 billion. In recent years, Israel remains the top recipient of U.S. military and economic assistance. The most commonly cited figure is $3 billion a year, with about $1.8 billion a year in Foreign Military Financing (FMF) grants from the Department of Defense and an additional $1.2 billion a year in Economic Support Funds (ESF) from the Department of State. In the last decade FMF grants to Israel have totaled $18.2 billion. In fact, 17% of all U.S. foreign aid is earmarked for Israel. For 2003, the Bush administration is proposing that Israel receive $2.76 billion in foreign aid, with $2.1 billion in FMF and $600 million in ESF. An additional $28 million will go to Israel for the purchase U.S. manufactured counter terrorism equipment. Weapons Sales and Grants Israel is one of the United State’s largest arms importers. In the last decade, the United States has sold Israel $7.2 billion in weaponry and military equipment, $762 million through Direct Commercial Sales (DCS), more than $6.5 billion through the Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program. In fact, Israel is so devoted to U.S. military hardware that it has the world's largest fleet of F-16s outside the U.S., currently possessing more than 200 jets. Another 102 F-16s are on order from Lockheed Martin. The United States has also underwritten Israel’s domestic armaments industry, by giving: $1.3 billion to develop the Lavi aircraft (cancelled) $625 million to develop and deploy the Arrow anti-missile missile (an ongoing project) $200 million to develop the Merkava tank (operative); the latest version, the Merkava 4, uses a German V-12 diesel engine produced under license in the U.S. by General Dynamics $130 million to develop the high-energy laser anti-missile system (ongoing). While overall aid to Israel is slated to decrease over the next five years, military aid will increase significantly. One of President Clinton’s last acts was to sign an agreement with Israel, phasing out the ESF by 2008. At the same time, FMF funds to Israel will increase $60 million each year, reaching $2.4 billion by 2008. Free Weapons to Israel The U.S. also gives Israel weapons and ammunition as part of the Excess Defense Articles (EDA) program, providing these articles completely free of charge. Between 1994-2001 the U.S. provided many weapons through this program, including: 64,744 M-16A1 rifles 2,469 M-204 grenade launchers 1,500 M-2 .50 caliber machine guns .30 caliber, .50 caliber, and 20mm ammunition U.S. Weapons in the Israeli Arsenal Selected list Weapon Quantity Manufacturer Cost Per Unit Fighter Planes F-4E Phantom 50 Boeing $18.4 million F-15 Eagle 98 Boeing (originally McDonnell Douglas) $38 million F-16 Fighting Falcon 237 Lockheed Martin $34.3 million Helicopters AH-64 Apache Attack 42 Boeing $14.5 million Cobra Attack 57 Bell Textron $10.7 million CH-53D Sea Stallion 38 Sikorsky Blackhawk 25 Sikorsky $11 million Missiles AGM 65 Maverick Raytheon $17,000-$110,000 AGM 114 Hellfire Boeing $40,000 TOW Hughes $180,000 AIM 7 Sparrow Raytheon $125,000 AIM 9 Sidewinder Raytheon $84,000 AIM 120 B AMRAAM Raytheon $386,000 Patriot Raytheon and Lockheed Martin Harpoon Anti-Ship Missile Boeing $720,000 Weapons that Kill It is in the United States' national interest to promote the existence of a stable, democratic and militarily strong Israel, at peace with its neighbors. 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In the process, hundreds of innocent noncombatant civilians -- men, women and children -- have been injured or killed, and many buildings and homes have been damaged or destroyed. Tanks have been deployed in densely populated refugee camps and in towns and villages; and heavy explosives have been dropped mere meters from schools where thousands of children were in attendance. Instances of the IDF’s Use of U.S. Weapons against Civilians Gaza, CNN, February 11, 2002 "On Sunday [February 10, 2002], Israel attacked the headquarters of Force 17, the elite guard for Palestinian Authority President Yasser Arafat. Two employees of the United Nations were wounded and a UN facility was damaged in the attack, prompting condemnation of the action from UN Secretary General Kofi Annan. The UN said it was the third time the office of Terje Roed-Larsen, the UN special coordinator for the Middle East peace process, had been damaged as a result of attacks by the Israelis. The bombing also caused damage to other UN offices, including that of the representatives of the High Commissioner for Human Rights. Jenin, New York Times, April 18, 2002 "The decaying body of Mr. Khurj's sister appears to be one of the clearest examples to date of a civilian having been killed in an Apache helicopter missile attack. There is an enormous hole in the wall of her bedroom and a two-foot-wide crater in the floor. Shards of a missile, including one with labels in English describing ''firing temperature'' and ''cooling temperature,'' littered the floor. Near the hole in the wall was a pool of dried blood. Mr. Khurj said the missile struck in the middle of the night on the third day of the attack. It killed his sister instantly." Deheishe, Washington Post, March 10, 2002. "Today Israeli tanks and troops invaded the other camp, Deheishe, which has a population of 8,000. Tanks and bulldozers had been positioned on a hill behind the community, and armed AH-64 Apache attack helicopters had hovered overhead. Soldiers knocked down a pedestrian bridge that led to the camp's school." Bethlehem, Washington Post, March 8, 2002. "The Israeli military almost immediately launched more missiles and opened fire with gunboats at official Palestinian buildings in the Gaza Strip, where there were heavy casualties. Israel also sent dozens of tanks and armored personnel carriers into Bethlehem, two adjacent Palestinian refugee camps and a pair of neighboring West Bank towns, bringing full-scale military action to the suburbs of Jerusalem. The bark of heavy machine guns atop Israel's armored vehicles echoed throughout Bethlehem, considered the birthplace of Jesus, and U.S.-supplied AH-64 Apache helicopters fired into the Aida refugee camp between Bethlehem and Beit Jala." Resources for More Information Foreign Policy In Focus: April 2002 issue brief on U.S. Military Aid to Israel available on their web site at www.foreignpolicy-infocus.org Arms Sales Monitoring Project, Federation of American Scientists (www.fas.org/asmp) has a searchable database on U.S. arms transfers by country, plus a list of recent arms sales agreements entered into by the U.S. Jane’s Defence Weekly has done an Israel country briefing in its May 1, 2002 issue, containing about eight pages of analysis of current Israeli armed forces with details on key holdings. Available on the web at www.janes.com
I guess the issue here is having undercover cops posing as protesters without proper permission from the police administration?
Reading public websites hardly counts as surveillance.
Note to "LOOK AT IT": Making your text really really big doesn't make more people read it.
In fact, it has the opposite effect...
Hmm. Indymedia's comments system really needs a preview button too.
Reading public websites hardly counts as surveillance.
Note to "LOOK AT IT": Making your text really really big doesn't make more people read it.
In fact, it has the opposite effect...
Hmm. Indymedia's comments system really needs a preview button too.
I guess the issue here is having undercover cops posing as protesters without proper permission from the police administration?
Reading public websites hardly counts as surveillance.
Note to "LOOK AT IT": Making your text really really big doesn't make more people read it.
In fact, it has the opposite effect...
Hmm. Indymedia's comments system really needs a preview button too.
Hmm, first submit timed out. Hope this doesn't turn into a double-post now....
Reading public websites hardly counts as surveillance.
Note to "LOOK AT IT": Making your text really really big doesn't make more people read it.
In fact, it has the opposite effect...
Hmm. Indymedia's comments system really needs a preview button too.
Hmm, first submit timed out. Hope this doesn't turn into a double-post now....

Nice Article by A.C. ... and nice photos too ...
As far as cops/feds taking images of protesters, I mean it is good to fight it and to expose it whenever they break their own rules - but, you also have to say, "get used to it." It's been happening a lot - even before the Patriot Act.
Hopefully you will be able to see the picture I got of an officer who pointed this camera at me and some housing activists in Feb. 2003 ... happens all the time.
Take care, be safe, peace out - Val
As far as cops/feds taking images of protesters, I mean it is good to fight it and to expose it whenever they break their own rules - but, you also have to say, "get used to it." It's been happening a lot - even before the Patriot Act.
Hopefully you will be able to see the picture I got of an officer who pointed this camera at me and some housing activists in Feb. 2003 ... happens all the time.
Take care, be safe, peace out - Val
Whatch this animation ... it is simple enough for anyone to grasp ...
http://www.markfiore.com/animation/whoops.html
Hmm ... so I guess the writer above doesn't think of anthrax as a weapon ... or various agents that were used to make gas (while Sadaam was gassing the kurds in the 80's - we had no problem with that then) ... of course there is all the tactical advice and intelligence gathering support we gave to him ... Sure, he got a lot of weapons from the Soviets as well, manufactured many in Iraq and sought weapons from other sources ... but, I think the real point is that our intelligence agencies were supporting him for years when they knew he was a brutal dictator and a murderous tyrant. We had no problem with that then .. so, why now? And, does our "expert" above even know if Sadaam himself is the real target? Where's Osama? ... there are other objectives being accomplished ... Sadaam will probably join the coke-dealing, oil-dependent assholes in some "undiscosed location" for a big party with private sex workers and cuban cigars ... maybe in Florida ... can't you just see them all there? ... Sadaam, Cheney, Rumsfield, Noriega, Bin laden, Bush - all gathered around the mirror talking about the next big show on CNN ... "who do we put on TV as the next big bad guy? ... how about you Mr. il?" Since we don't enjoy a free and independent press here in the United States - and since we have surrendered our democracy to secretive and unelected bodies like the C.I.A. - our writer above has no idea what he/she is talking about.
just a little thought from love nuzzle
http://www.markfiore.com/animation/whoops.html
Hmm ... so I guess the writer above doesn't think of anthrax as a weapon ... or various agents that were used to make gas (while Sadaam was gassing the kurds in the 80's - we had no problem with that then) ... of course there is all the tactical advice and intelligence gathering support we gave to him ... Sure, he got a lot of weapons from the Soviets as well, manufactured many in Iraq and sought weapons from other sources ... but, I think the real point is that our intelligence agencies were supporting him for years when they knew he was a brutal dictator and a murderous tyrant. We had no problem with that then .. so, why now? And, does our "expert" above even know if Sadaam himself is the real target? Where's Osama? ... there are other objectives being accomplished ... Sadaam will probably join the coke-dealing, oil-dependent assholes in some "undiscosed location" for a big party with private sex workers and cuban cigars ... maybe in Florida ... can't you just see them all there? ... Sadaam, Cheney, Rumsfield, Noriega, Bin laden, Bush - all gathered around the mirror talking about the next big show on CNN ... "who do we put on TV as the next big bad guy? ... how about you Mr. il?" Since we don't enjoy a free and independent press here in the United States - and since we have surrendered our democracy to secretive and unelected bodies like the C.I.A. - our writer above has no idea what he/she is talking about.
just a little thought from love nuzzle
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