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SF cops use cattle prods?

by bert
If not, what the hell is it?
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by zeke
It could very well be his cellie.

Unfortunately someone's head is in the way of most of whatever he's got in his hand. Maybe he was calling in a delivery order of Krispy Kreme (R, TM) donuts for all we can see.
i thought he quit - did they bring him back from airport security position i thought he moved to DC for ? Is Saunders on vacation?
by Vince St. John
Sure the handle is black, but the rest is metallic silver, about 14 inches long. It looked like some kind of electronic device. I don't know what a cattle prod looks like, but my first impulse was to assume it was some kind of electic shock device.
by lil bird
i was there....some of the mounted cops had what looked like regular "night sticks"....others had what appeared to be long, plastic pipe.....that's what this particular officer had....if cattle prods are long, black and appear hollow, that's what this cop is holding....i was right by these mounties......
by JOHN
It's a police baton that expands.
by Mr. Frog
It's a little known fact, but Richard Nixon developed miniature weapons of mass destruction. It has been documented that those lousy, filthy cops have been known to use them during Republican Administrations on perfectly peaceful citizens who are just exercising their Constitutional rights!
It appears to be a mini-nuke. Designed to make a pink fog out of any single individual who opposes the imperialist Bush Administration. It was developed by the neo-facist military-industrial giant Hughes Aircraft just before Nixon resigned. But Reagan could not bring himself to use them on those of us who wanted him arrested for war crimes. Instead, it has been hidden away since the first Bush Admin. Since Bush 1 was pulling all the strings for his son to be elected President 8 years later, he hid it from the Clinton Admin in a secret society clubhouse at Yale. Only his son knew where to find it. Bush has reproduced them by the thousands just for us protesters.
Be very careful if you see a cop headed in your direction with one of these. They only give them to Republican cops. The vast right-wing conspiracy looks like a picnic compared to the secrecy surrounding this one! Please notify Amnesty Intl if you see one. You think the stink over land mines was big? Wait til the press gets ahold of this one!
Frog
by Jack Be Quick
The ASP is becoming more standard issue. They are collapseable so that they can be kept on the belt at all times, instead of the old style night sticks that would have to be removed before sitting down in a squad car.

Oh...and they are metal with a black zinc-oxide powder coat to prevent rust....which, at the right angle, reflects sunlight fairly well. If you look at the picture, you can tell that it is not silver metallic...it is black with light reflecting dully off the top.

Having seen their use from both ends of the ASP, I would be willing to wager a sizable sum that the device is not a cattle prod, but an ASP.
by bert
cattleprodblowup.jpg
by controllingvigilanties
So, what's the crime??
by Jack Be Quick
Okay....there is also a product out there called an "Auto baton." It's spring loaded and extends at the push of a button. Not as durable as the standard issue ASP, but they do exist.

Did anyone get shocked? No.

Are the police using cattle prods? No.

THIS IS JUST THE WACKED OUT OVER-IMAGINATION OF A CRACK-POT!!!

Get over it!
by i bes 2 slow
you really know you're stuff Jack Be Quick
by at least not yet
The Sonic Pain Stick
Torture Gets Technical
by George Smith
February 12 - 18, 2003

New methods of American technical torture continue to roll off private-sector assembly lines in the effort to aid the war on terror. One of the most aggressively pitched is a meter-long sonic pain stick marketed to the Department of Defense by the American Technology Corporation of San Diego.

In a recent full-court press to the media, the company gaily described the sonic baton's potential to agonize terrorists on airplanes, where flying bullets wouldn't do. Intended for use at short range, the weapon projects sound intense enough to cause temporary loss of hearing, perhaps nullifying its effect, or possibly shattering the hijacker's eardrums. It would also probably agonize or rupture the hearing of everyone else in an enclosed cabin, blocking the communication of useful commands like "Get that terrorist bastard!"

Department of Defense efforts at wielding sound waves to inflict unpleasantness have yielded refreshingly poor results. According to National Defense News, the army set up a testing regimen to torture animals -- referred to as "surrogates" -- but was unable to reliably agonize them. As a result, DoD's Joint Non-Lethal Weapons Directorate stopped funding some research in the area.

Other arms of the military -- like the navy -- remain interested in sonic guns to disable foreign ship crews, or at least to make them very angry.

The soldiers, weirdos, sadists, and tinkerers enthusiastic about acoustic technology envision strapping the sonic pain stick to an M-16. While it would be no good in situations where people can shoot back or even throw rocks, it certainly could have its uses in rousting frightened women and children from closets in an occupied Iraq.

America's nonlethal-weapons scientists note that in our country, hearing aids and surgery can mitigate damage to the outer and middle ear caused by such a weapon. However, mangling of the inner ear is permanent. But in poor or just bombed-flat foreign lands, access to health insurance to pay for damage claims, hearing aids, and good surgeons may be hard to come by. Nonlethal weaponeers are also vexed by the fact that once one's ears are ruined, the sonic weapon loses its bite.

American Technology Corporation is not alone in the arms race for painful sound. Scientific Applications & Research Associates, a Pentagon contractor also located in Southern California, is pushing its "Sonic Firehose," an allegedly portable widget with the same glorious mission as the aural agony rod.

http://www.villagevoice.com/issues/0307/smith.php

by Da gibber
Those punks deserved it & more! Peaceful???
by brokenPOETspoken (thecutupmethod [at] yahoo.com)
anyone have any pics of three men wearing RED DUCT TAPE over our mouths and binding our hands together. we are broken poets spoken and we were 3 of 8 kids blocking police in the standoff. please email me, michael molotov if you do. thanks
by flarg
<i>The Sonic Pain Stick

One of the most aggressively pitched is a meter-long sonic pain stick marketed to the Department of Defense by the American Technology Corporation of San Diego.</i>

Do those sticks look a meter long to you? No. Your post is irrelevant here, and just makes us all look more like crackpots.
by flarg
I've seen a dozen cops with these batons, they are collapsable batons which a cop can wear on his/her belt. I think they were used in malls and entertainment parks, because of their low visability (Somehow seeing a Disneyland security guard walk around with an 18-inch club frightens the kids).

Not as sturdy as the more common fiberglass nightstick, but the cop can sit down without removing the stick, or in the image above, they can jump off the horse and tackle the hippy without the baton getting in the way.

Technology has advanced alot since the nightstick, today you have cleaner and refined material processes which give you stronger and lighter materials, so smaller devices like these are becoming more common.

And I'm sure they still hurt.
by jizmo
duh. its an aluminum collapsable baton. all the "experts" on police on this site should know that.
by lyle lovett
Cattle prod sounds appropriate.
by Bill Stuart
I have worked with many types of electric-prods on the farm and am not aware of any device that I am acustomed to looking like the one in the photo. I was also in the military for five years and lived in the police dorms and have seen this device before... it is a manual steel spring baton that is in some cases standard issue or can be substituted for the black, black-jack billy clubs.
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