Only nonviolence and non-vandalism works!

Sitting down in protest is very different from striking out in anger. Let's learn from the wisdom of Martin Luther King Jr. and those he used as examples. Let's not repeat the same mistakes as those who participated in the Watts riots and the suicide bombings in Israel and Beirut. Violence begets violence and misery; vandalism gives the pigs a reason to move in.

Even the mass media can't spin their tales for long when it's clear that the state, not the "mob," is the violent party.

Freedom of speech and assembly is still the law of the land. Let's use it to our advantage before Bush, Ashcroft, Cheney, and the Federal Supreme Court justices repeal it.

Destruction isn't creative.

If we knock over kiosks and stop signs, like we did before, the state will be brought to its knees.

everyone should perhaps be aware of a few legal penalties associated with certain types of actions that the police are more than conscious of.

First, 'conspiracy' to commit a crime of any level can automatically ratchet a penalty up to (I think) the felony level. For instance, jaywalking might constitute an infraction by itself, but two people using cell phones or walkie talkies to discuss and plan their jaywalking would be conspiracy and would carry a high penalty. Conspiracy means that two or more parties communicated about a crime ahead of time, and this always raises penalties. My sister was on a jury, and the defendant's big mistake in this trial for his riding along in a car his friend stole was indicating "I knew the car was stolen".
Maybe understanding of this should guide 'planning' of any antiwar stuff, particularly because it would be impossible to carry out any action without advertising to the larger community in order to get enough numbers (no one can have a 100 person affinity group), and you could never hope to not have police or liberals who are very antagonistic to anarchists, be present to hear some communications. Any larger 'bloc', rather than a small clique of 5, has to be planned around this.

Second, physically interfering with an arrest, even if the first arrest was a misdemeanor or infraction, is a felony, so you would want to seriously judge the specific situation. On the other hand, you have a right to watch any police proceedings. In other states, police get to define the appropriate observation distance, but I'm not sure what it is in this state. They can't make you leave the scene entirely.
Touching a police officer, causing them to stub their toe or rupture a hangnail, carries bigger penalties than any battery on an ordinary person.

The sorry “Red Brigade” and “Storm Trooper” tactics would be amusing if they were not so sorry. Even a limited reading of history would provide you with a more objective viewpoint of what is currently going on. But please do not let me stop you from your self-hating immolation. Charge hard young nazi.

Start here:

http://www.pbs.org/ktca/liberty/chronicle/bostonteaparty-edenton.html

(snip)

The Boston Tea Party was one of the most effective pieces of political theater ever staged. John Adams, no fan of mob action, wrote of the dumping of the tea: "There is a dignity, a majesty, a sublimity, in this last effort of the patriots that I greatly admire."

(snip)

Quit the conspiracy warnings......this is San Francisco ....Halinan ill not prosecute felonious conduct by it self let alone put a conspiracy to commit jaywalking......

Of course it it. How else could I have created my famous statue of David? I took a big block of marble and destroyed all the parts that didn't look like David.

Take it from an old pro, violence is only instigated by provacateurs, it is a sure fire way of discrediting the message, and gives the police an excuse to move and mop up the leadership, The provacateurs will eventully be released, so they can continue their work.

Anyone who says "Go" or Do it. Is an agent of the state.

Watching Law and Order last night and was totally impressed with a protest demonstration, maybe hollywood style, staged on the courthouse steps, by Faloong Galong.

Protestors standing their immobile, like statutes, poised with their arms in the arm forming a semi ring with those arms.

No noise, no disruption, no distraction from the message.

It was actually quite unnerving and unsettling, Compare that to the rowdy anarchists who broke windows and discredited their movement in Seattle.

Then again we do know, or at least some of us, that the masked anarchists who broke windows and started violence were agent provacateurs.

and patriots.

See:

http://www.pbs.org/ktca/liberty/chronicle/bostonteaparty-edenton.html

The Boston Tea Party was different in that you had people who were willing to fight and die for their freedom. Like the signers of the Declaration of Independance, they were willing to lose all for something they saw as a greater cause.

The Black Bloc types just want to hit and run. They are afraid to raise their muskets and fight face to face with England. They are afraid to take up arms and fight against those whom they view as oppressing them. They are most definately afarid to die. Were the Black Bloc alive during the American Revolutionary times, after dumping the tea in the harbor they simply would have continued to committ little hit and run techniques until it got to be too dangerous. Would they have ever doned the uniform, toughed it out at Valley Forge, and fought under General George Washington? No. And America would still be an English colony to this day.

The Boston Tea Party was a hit and run raid. They didn't hang around the ship, waiting to be busted.

Really. Look it up.

Yep, you are right Mr. History Buff.... The Black Block antics against Starbucks have the same signifigance as the BTP......Even to the point where the arestee's from the BB protest were facing incarceration in British Jail's and Hung.........History Buff sooooooo much ego and so little knowledge.

Oh, definately hit and run. But then they were willing to go further. Your black bloc types are not willing to do that. They're wimps!

Really. Stick around and watch.

>>That remains to be seen.

I said that already. Read below:

>Really. Stick around and watch.

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That was one HARD DAMN brick!!

See:

http://www.intrepidsoftware.com/fallacy/attack.htm

This is beyond your ability to comprehend, much less control.

...i second the suspicions. i can't picture any respectably paranoid '"activist" posting his or her plans for felony vandalism on the world wide web.

imagine the BTP patriots standing up in their town square, crying, "join us in our creative afternoon snack! wear your war paint and feathers and meet us at the docks." it seems silly.

hell, history's silly. comparing anarchists to patriots....silly. dying for a country...so silly my sides ache.

The above callout is a verbatim copy of the original antiwaraction J18 and "day-of" black bloc calls.

The initiators of those calls are planning to release a callout for a breakaway for the 16th, but it is not going to be a black bloc call. This new call will be posted in the next couple of days.

Can the posters of this item clarify if it is simply a repost or if it represents separate organizing for the 16th?

yeah, seems a bit weird.
with regards to whether you should worry about conspiracy or premeditation laws for your civil disobedience - the answer is that you should, but be assured that there still is an asymmetry of power that favors you. For instance, go take a ride on the freeway and look at all the single drivers in the carpool lane, and people speeding. Why do no bay area drivers feel the urge to follow the speed limit? there is no reason to fear getting a traffic ticket because the police are all off tracking down marijuana users and doing social work with the mentally ill or are on their lunch break, or are basically busy somewhere else, plus there is so much space to cover. This principle applies.

Also, any of you planning any sort of contingent, including anyone who wants to bring children or disabled to the march should google 'infinite freep' plus 'february' or variations on that spelling and then look at 'more results from freerepublic.com'. I was just at the free republic, and all these insane people with lots and lots of spare time to make weird graphics of uncle sam are planning to show up at the rally, and they're using narrowly veiled threats of violence and military style tactics like "we'll see you before you see us" and "they won't know what hit them". They could easily take up some minor level of unnerving tactic and totally freak out lots of moderate, conservative, liberal antiwar marchers who don't want to deal with the threat of violence from them. However, it is notoriously rare for any neo-conservative to get off the computer and go outside, so hopefully there won't be more than a couple dozen like last time.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/838883/posts

oh, here is one of the big free republic San Francisco counterprotest threads - we should watch this stuff in case they have a particular spot where some of the crazier ones would actually attack marchers.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/834491/posts

Regardless of my feelings about the Blac Block, it has clearly lost the PR battle that is being raged as we speak. This is INDYMEDIA, and look at the overwhelming comments that attack the BB (not just this post, but EVERY post). Imagine what the mainstream press will do to you.

I was in Seattle and am well aware of the police violence and initiation of the conflict. I have seen it time and time again. However, I think it very unwise at this time for anarchists to participate in the BB. It is a setup. Even the posts on this site can't be verified. The cops could have posted the call out too.

Be smart. I think the BB needs to be concerned about PR issues. Working people are more afraid of the BB than they support it. It would be quite a different event if the BB actually protected people from cops rather resorting to the tired tactic of breaking StarBucks windows. It's boring. And unfortunately, mispelling "destraction" doesn't help.

Seriously think about it. The BB image is of young white male kids putting others in danger of police brutality, no matter what the truth is.

anarchist

The break away march last time was successful because the police just were not ready for it. If there is another anti-war action break away it will probably be torn apart immediatly by the police, and might result in mass arrests and violence against protesters. If anti-war action is going to organize another direct action break away march, I think they should make it clear what types of targets they are proposing, and what the political message will be. Of course don't give EXACT plans, but give a general "check list" that anyone participating can use for the action so that it has a coherent political message and only attacks legitimate targets. I know anarchists don't like any measures they would consider "authoritarian" but the more the action is centeralized and focused, the more effective it will be I think. Above all, MAKE A CLEAR ANTI-WAR AND ANTI-CAPITALIST statement. The graffiti last time was very nice, we should do more of it this time, in places where it can be easily visable, and don't just say "anti-war," or "smash the state," we should proclaim our solidarity with "refusniks," immigrants, and the people of Iraq who will be slaughtered in this war, but not with the government or Iraq which is of course just another governmnet of capitalist thugs. No random direct action, but only action against targets... If the release can talk about this, and the specific purpose, spreading anti-war/anti-capitalist messages, I think that would be a good strategy.

In other cities, such as Seattle, there are plans for an anarchist contingent in the main march, where the point is to make their presence known so people are aware that everyone there isn't a moderate or liberal, but they will follow all the principles that United for Peace are asking everyone to act according to on the main march. This serves the purpose of being able to make some sort of individualized message - because they'll undoubtedly undercount the march by a few thousand again, so adding just one more generic looking person doesn't help so much. If police reacted, that's fine because there wouldn't be any legal grounds for them to attack anyone.

Is there any sort of a plan like this? At the last big march, the breakaway people were totally dispersed in the crowd until afterwards. where could people meet - like perhaps a side street near embarcadero.

<The graffiti last time was very nice, we should do more of it this time....a good strategy>

yeah, if you're in kindergarten.

Maybe its time for a Texas Tea Party!!! What better way to send a message? Oh i guess you bay area residents could have your own party too LOL.

Graffiti is a political right. Rich bastards have money to buy billboards. We can scrounge up enough for a can of paint. Power to the people!! Screw the fascists.

With relation to how the public perceives the black block, I think a few things are clear. The mass media will not accurately portray the direct actions taken, if the past is any indicator. Perhaps some truth will find its way through the distortion, but overall the actions will be portrayed as random and the news media will probably say that assorted extremists, or what have you, wreaked "havoc" in various parts of San Francisco.

Because of this distortion, those members of the public easily swayed by the mainstream media will have a negative impression of the anti-war actions that are more militant. The likely result will be unwillingness to participate in these actions.

Some poor souls who, at the very least, cannot understand the distinction between a very clearly underlined "break away" march that committed acts of property destruction and participated in civil disobedience and the inevitably larger march and rally organized by United For Peace (and undoubtably assisted by some who have helped to organize the direct action), will reject the anti-war movement completely.

However, because a few easily confused people find it difficult to understand that the anti-war movement is, and should be, diverse and there's room for people whose desire it is only walk down the middle of a street in the midst of a larger crowd every two months to express their anti-war views, as well as perhaps, clearly for a much smaller number of people, help organize these larger marches that hundreds of thousands of people but are over in a few hours, end up rejecting the anti-war movement because of more militant actions taken should not signify that these militant actions are counter-productive and therefore should cease altogether. Afterall, there are always people who find it strangely difficult to understand basic things and this fact shouldn't drive the organizing tactics of people active in the anti-war organizing.

Others who, because of whatever preconceptions or tactical preferences they have, or because of they way they see the breakaway march depicted on the TV or in the print media, will reject the tactic of more militant direct action as a useful tool to stop the war. They will continue to participate in the more subdued forms of protest.

AND THEN, of course, there are those that will be actually attracted to militant tactics after have heard of the black block actions taken on February 16th, as perhaps they were after hearing what happened on January 18th. There could be various reasons for this. I'll point out one that I think is important:

While large marches that attract hundreds of thousands of participants are useful in that they express the dissent that's being mostly left out of the debate -- through the mass media, the independent media, through direct contact in cities where the large marches are held, word of mouth, internet, email, etc. -- one can see how this dissent is sometimes easily ignored by people making the decisions to go to war. Yes, the marches were really big, but after they're over, in only a few hours, people go home and back to work. They continue making it so that society functions normally.

But at stake are hundreds of thousands of Iraqi lives and world in which a very "evil" empire, the U.S., has become even more powerful and thus more capable of throwing its weight around whenever it wants. At stake is the spread of an even more globalized capitalist order that results in even more poverty, economic inequality, loss of power by unions and other grassroots organizations that are trying to do some good. Thus, we see the people who feel it necessary to send a very direct message (through more disorderly behavior, in contrast to large marches that are over quick enough) to the politicians, the government bureaucrats, and corporate heads that business will absolutely not go on as usual as long as war is looming or the war is continuing.

A good amount of unruly behavior directly threatens those who are attempting to rule. It not only cuts into the profits of corporations, it also perhaps makes it impossible for governmental offices to function normally because of a certain amount of damage. Property damage (etc.), particularly when it is continuous, represents a threat that is harder to swallow. It's hard to get politicians to respond to people at the bottom who are trying to affect larger changes in society, and by actually making it impossible for the implements of war to be made, or shipped, by physically destroying the corporations that benefit from wars, and by generally making it impossible for businesses to function while the world is in a state of mass-slaughter, is a very direct threat to the people committing about to commit that slaughter.

To conclude, it's not necessarily true that everybody will reject the more militant direct actions, and it's impossible to predict (logically it makes no sense) that people will reject the anti-war movement because of the breakaway marches. As said above, some will reject it, some will get involved in other aspects of the movement and others will find the militant actions useful and maybe become involved. Everybody is always trying to predict what 'others' will say or do. It's also important to remember that there are two reasons for participating in anti-war actions: one is to get more people on your side and another is to present a threat to the powerful.

Good luck to the black block, and, yes, it's likely the cops will be more brutal this time around, but the tactic is useful enough that it's a risk that must be taken.

1) Why always call for a black bloc? How about doing something original and keep one step of the cops instead of calling for the same cliched ninja-uniformed tactic. The people in Pink took things in a different direction. Lets get away from the same black uniforms.

2) I support the trashing of very very directed targets like the INS office (or military targets). Three cheers to the trashers. However I disagree with random destruction, particulary small businesses and individual car drivers (including SUV drivers). Also random shit like newspaper boxes seems pointless. If we want to get others to join more militantly in resisting the war-- we need to be disciplined and target are actions well.

3) I'm concerned about provocateurs like in Genoa, Italy? How do you deal with people doing things that are out of line and discrediting?

I think all of my above criticisms are common ones made by more than just me. It be cool if an organizer of this call would respond. I'll be there whatever happens and urge others too also despite my reservations.

what with the invasion of Iraq coming up so soon, to be in jail, or fighting a case, for something petty you did on F16.

Saving it for when it counts might not be such a bad idea.

I was in the larger march last month and had to leave before the second "breakaway" march. While watching the news coverage at Civic Center, one reporter out of the whole bunch, briefly mentioned the BB march and the graffiti, etc. Said he'd be back to report on it. He didn't...

On Monday, the graffiti was covered up (or most of it) and the broken windows were boarded. You oculd barely tell what had happened in the Financial Dist. and no one down here really cared. It did get press, but only becuase of the violence.

If the BB wants to be effective, it needs to change tactics. If you're willing to be on the front lines, why not be more creative than breaking things. This won't start a revolution (I believe it was the Brown Shirts that broke shit up in Germany...for Hitler).

Effective, creative use of civil disobedience is the way to go. I dream of a day when several hundred able protesters take over FOX-news, during their own live news broadcast, while other stations are there to broadcast it live.

If you want to get rowdy, pin down the security people (usually inadequate for large groups), and try to actually take over the broadcast studio where the anchors are. Lock down live on camera for some reality TV activist style, and I promise you the cameras won't turn off this amazing news story. Broadcast your manifesto about the revolution. Dump cans of oil all over the place, etc.

You'll break laws, maybe get arrested, etc., but it's way more creative than wearing masks and breaking shit. The media just feeds off of the negative cliche portrayal you all emit: "middle class white kids who wear black just to break stuff"

BREAK THE CHAINS OF THIS CLICHE

Do some fun, creative CD for a change...

best of luck,
N.

You have the right idea - change tactics - but the wrong ideas on what to do instead. Trying to get on camera and pouring oil will only freak out the middle class who are already conditioned to recieve their dosage of televised medication.

If anyone were to take on the media, they'd be better off doing it electronically, or in a highly organized and pre-planned way, with the shut down of a local station coinciding with the boradcast of something else to replace it - how do they keep doing it in China?

Activists pouring liquids or ranting in a studio won't go over well.

Shutting them down entirely, even just briefly, opens the door to other options. The fagility of the media monster is then exposed, and it could be just enough to awaken some from their hypnotized medicated stupor.

But it's a huge undertaking, and I don't think a good one for this event, only a week away.

Mass email and phone campaigns are proving effective on a very low level for things like reporting the correct numbers. This action needs to get ramped up and organized and included with boycott threats.

The cops can deal with a flying column. They wont be taken by surprise this time, either.

What the cannot deal with, is a multiplicity of small, widely dispersed flying squads, each acting autonomously. Against that, they are helpless.

Instead of just being negative and saying that the black bloc is ineffective or whatever how about organizing something that is effective instead?
Because until all of you do that id rather be in a black bloc doing something, rather than sitting around on the internet criticizing others.

It's good to hear a call for the black bloc in San Francisco. This tactic has been in hibernation for far too long. I'm looking forward to hearing news from your actions.

I wouldn't take most of the criticisms of the black bloc too seriously. Many people are just jealous of the effectiveness of the black bloc, so they like to make up shit about it. Contrary to what you might read on Indymedia, black blocs have alot of support from non-anarchists. We've done several black blocs here in Washington and have always tried to work with other groups so that we didn't step on any toes.

As for Genoa and provocateurs--that's something that black blocs have dealt with effectively. Contrary to what the police think, the black bloc isn't a mob that reacts blindly to stupid provocations. The BB is usually pretty good at staying focused on the goals of the bloc for that event. And activists who bring up Genoa need to be reminded that police provocateurs infiltrate non-anarchist groups and events all the time. What makes you so sure that that person yelling direction during a march isn't leading everybody into an alley where mass arrests take place?

The police infiltrate everything. Deal with it.

Good luck everybody! Kick butt on Saturday!

<I wouldn't take most of the criticisms of the black bloc too seriously. Many people are just jealous of the effectiveness of the black bloc, so they like to make up shit about it.>

C'mon dude. Even if I was a supporter of the BB as a tactic (it's conceived as a tactic, right?--I truly hope no BB partisans think it's a strategy), I'd reject this interpretation of the criticism's levelled against it. If you can't countenance criticism from sincere fellow-radicals, then what's the fucking point? If the BB were manifestly "effective" why would SO MANY be "jealous" of it? That makes no sense.

To chucko-- Dude your response was lame. I'm jealous? Gee- don't we have a little competive mind. The criticisms I made are fairly common by other anarchists and radicals as well.

Chuck says,"The black bloc tactic has been in hibernation for too long". Uh-- there was a blck bloc at the Jan. 28th. protest. Three whole weeks in hibernation!!!

I'm interested in seeing an effective action to fight against the war. Its funny how many anarchists-- like chucko-- can't have a critical dialogue. Fuck I'm going to be at the action-- don't I have a fuckin say!!!!

And finally Chuck-- Your too damn defensive. I brought up the thing about provocateurs not because I think anarchists are stupid (well maybe I should readjust my opinion) but because its a real danger. And sorry but by most accounts the police got the upper hand massively on the black bloc in Genoa in terms of being of able to discredit them.

If strategically positioned, very few people, can cause a great deal of disruption. It took only six to block the Holland Tunnel:

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/02/1572465.php

I dont think we should worry too much about how the media portrays the anti-war, anti-globalization movement. No matter what is done, we will be portrayed as extremists, evil red commies, faggots, trash and even terrorists. This is because our media is controlled by the state. Targets must be carefully selected. Not because we care what the press will say, cuz we already know it will be negative in some manner. The media is there to enforce state ideology as much as the police are. Media outlets that do not truthfully report should be targeted as well as exxon/mobil and military establishments among others. Target residences of those that make the corrupt decisions and their equipment and facilities that are used to carry out these orders. e.g. - dump oil in kenneth lays front yard. Attack oil distribution centers. Sit down in front of media centers and refuse to allow them to leave their facility until they give you a fair spot in the media or your drug away. Random destruction doesnt help. It sure is fun but it dont help. It just hurts your community. Its like the DK song Riot. Tomorrow your homeless tonight its a blast. There may be a time when violence is needed but it should be a last resort. Better to have a peaceful revolution than a bloody one.

thanks for replying to that lame post by Chuck0. We NEED dialogue and open critical debate about this. Shutting down debate by ridiculous ad hominem attacks is very counter productive.

I again want to emphasize that, in my humble opinion, we are fighting a very important propaganda campaign, and i think it is critical for anarchists to think about the effects that BB will have on the larger movement. As i stated above, almost everyone i talk to about the BB who is not a committed anarchist DOES NOT respect the anarchist community. Many with kids i know are afraid of the BB, and are cautious about their families, themselves and their ability to avoid the cops (for many reasons...parol officers, paying bills, feeding families, etc) on marches.

the BB isn't just about YOUR feelings to disrupt the states activities. it's about US and how do we build an effective political strategy that involves more than a majority of male twenty somethings...

i am curious how many so-called anarchists consider themselves community or labor organizers? the world looks very different to anarchists i know who have to work with "normal" people when organizing in their communities. i think the anarchist community looks inwards far too often for justification for their actions. maybe we should look outwards a bit more for some perspective?

anarchist

Someone needs to print up a flyer that explains what the point of the black bloc is. If we don't trust the mediaa to make our case we have to do it ourselves.

I am a reporter who happened to be in the vicinity on Jan. 18 when the last black bloc rampage occurred in San Francisco. I have posted URLs to two stories I wrote pursuant to my observations of your action in SF.

I will be covering the Feb. 16 rally in SF and will be particularly attuned to your slice of that action, assuming there are folks who heed the call for a rampage.

Here is what I would like.

-- for persons who organize or participate in this action to contact me before your arrival in SF to help me understand who you are and why you do what you do. If you are concerned about protecting your identity because you are concerned about police surveillance or arrest, I think we could come to an arrangement that met my needs and yours.

Here are some ways to contact me:

by email tabate [at] sfchronicle.com
at my office: 415-777-6213
on my cell: 650-740-1670
on the day of the march I plan to be wearing a hemp cap and a shirt or jacket that identifies me as a Chronicle reporter, should you want to talk to me.

I have but two requests.

Please do not rant at me, either in print or voicemail, or I will spike your note and/or hang up on you. I am about as broad-minded a major media reporter as you are likely to encounter but I have no patience for being harangued, particularly by folks who do not reveal their identities. (If you have some comment or complaint about my coverage or the Chronicle's coverage, please address that by email to readerrep [at] sfchronicle.com. The Reader Rep is supposed to critique our coverage.)

If you call me, try to make it before 3 o'clock on any given weekday. I am juggling other stories and often on deadline around then and I tend to be abrupt, even when my wife calls. So I'm generally more pleasant earlier in the day.

See you in SF!
Tom Abate

brief article on the rampage
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/01/19/MN126125.DTL

followup on black bloc
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2003/01/27/BA192742.DTL

If you do this, bring a tooth brush, because you *are* going to jail. If you think this guy wont turn you in, you're a fool. The Chronicle works hand in glove with the police. They may as well be members of the force. They also have a personel grudge against the BB because the BB trashed their building on J18. If you even consider trusting this guy, you don't have what it takes to be a successful radical. Get out of politics now, before you get hurt. Take up a hobby instead. Knitting is safe. So is origami. Try them.

"Knitting is safe. So is origami. "

Ut oh paper cut!

Ah yo knitter's sweep at the local @ ladies' circle!

Woah confiscation of needle and thread at the airport!

what next, is even styrofoam unsafe?

Don't try to store gasoline in a Styrofoam cup. It will just dissolve and get gasoline all over your feet. If you have to store gasoline, do it the safe way. Use a jerry can. Don’t use a glass bottle. It might break. This could be especially dangerous if the rag you stuffed in the opening was on fire at the time.

Better you should confine yourself to carrying ineffectual placards and chanting useless slogans. Don’t try to cross the street when the light is red or the FBI might think your with Reclaim The Streets and therefore a terrorist. Stay home, do nothing, hope for the best. Stock up on duct tape, just in case something inevitable should happen.

Bringing lots of black flags sounds like a good idea.... Those flagpoles could double for many different purposes. One is as a pole-arm weapon, the kind of thing European peasants used to defend themselves from knights on horseback.

Imagine this scenario: The police on horseback try to charge the breakaway demonstration again. But this time everyone is carrying flags. They form a phalanx drop low to the ground pointing the end of their flagpoles upward. The horses are not going to want to run into that, and they probably won't charge the block. If they do, most likely they will fall, and the rider will be knocked off. The protestors probably can't be charged with anything for doing this, because they are the ones who aren't moving and the police charged into them, bringing about their own injury.

I don't know how this would work against motorcycles, but I have a feeling a motorcycle cop wouldn't want to ride into this if it looked like the phalanx wasn't going to disperse. It's a game of chicken: The motorcycle could injure the protestors, but the cop would probably get knocked off the vehicle.

So here's a creative tactic for you.... Even one that will work if the cops know about it in advance, and one that requires no advance conspiracy or central organizing. So go out and start assembling black flags on heavy duty poles.

All that leaves them is tear-gas, so go out out to your army surplus store and get a gas mask. If everyone covered their faces with those instead of bandanas, we would be in great shape.

If you take away all the police's technological tricks and leave them just their muscle, they will always be at an inherant disadvantage. They have to work in the open; we can hide in the shadows until the time to strike. They have to wait for orders from the top down; we have individual fredom of action and decentralization. They must follow set procedures; we can act spontaneously. Their nerve centers are exposed; we have no nerve center that can be striked at or eliminated.

That's why the police always underestimate the block block. We can split into two blocks. We can change direction spontaneously. We can disappear into the subway system. They never know what will come next. We always know approximately how the police will respond, but they never know what to expect.

They could try to organize themselves more the way we organize ourselves, but they won't, because if they did, they would no longer be the kind of centralized, hierachical agency that our society's power structures demand.

As long as we keep this in mind, we can always keep ahead of them. There will always be some social sphere of power that they don't occupy, but we do.

It depends on if you're talking about this Sunday, or 'the day'. I think the most important thing should be to try to convince a large group of people that they can be safe going downtown on the day of.
One thing I'm counting on is that if anyone goes beyond creative chanting and decides to throw fruit or stones at the stock exchange, or whatever, you're not going to just see police on horses, foolishly grabbing only two people who hadn't even done anything - like on J18. Go to Seattle.indymedia and look at the pictures of WTO'99 when the police got really angry on Tuesday evening and on Wednesday and starting dressing in their robo-warrior suits and bringing out those weird personnel carriers and shooting big rubber things at the entire crowd. If one of those hits your eye, you might not see afterwards. The police in Seattle just started running around in the neighborhood on the other side of the freeway and battering random people coming out of laundromats or gassing people sitting on their front steps, and there was one documented case 1.5 miles away where an officer made two girls roll down their car window at a Safeway with a video camera and then maced them. Since this time, Seattle police have been attacking any minor event, like someone called a reclaim the streets, and they stopped the van with sound speakers on the way there, dumped the soup, and then arrested people for stepping into the crosswalk on a blinking light (this happened to two people i know), or making entire marches stay on the sidealk, and then pushing some people off the sidewalk and then arresting them.

Anyway, in SF, the police are famous for not even making their presence known and laying off (like when they let us have reclaim the streets in front of the Sony mall) but then when they become excited, they'll suddenly do a massive round-up arrest of everyone on the street, not caring who they mistakenly scoop up because they'll sort it out later - they just want to solve their problem right there. see this essay, towards the end- you can collect cash for this; he got $1000:
http://www.eastbayexpress.com/issues/2002-12-11/cityofwarts.html/1/index.html

You seriously don't want to get hit by a pellet or something, if they start shooting tomato tossers. My friend said tha gas didn't bother her at WTO, as though she had a rare natural resistance, but most people are totally doubled over by that stuff. If everyone lingers either around a central dispatching spot at powell and market, or at the freeway or something, they could decide to take 1000 people out of the picture by rounding up, so moving around could make sense. go to the Mall, say.

Did anyone email that guy who posted above? He was sort of rude about expecting to get harrassed. It sort of sounds like he was forced to do this story.

They wrote a good story today though, in terms of getting more people in tune with cd and considering it.

On the one hand I think the menu thing is fun, but on the other I worry that - like the Cheney demo - that things become more of a 'show' than an action, and everyone claps on the sidelines but nothing gets burnt down or trashed.

I'm not saying things need to get burned or trashed. I'm just saying that the action needs to be the focus, not the 'look' of the action. The goal needs to be kept in mind.

Here is what happens when you form lines and try to hold onto one part of the street. Then the police can try to hurt you:
http://www.urban75.com/n30/
http://www.urban75.com/Action/seattle5.html

also, haven't police been developing things that I read about somewhere like slime to make people slip, or ultra low frequency sound emitters that cause people to throw up?

people used to pick up tear gas containers and throw them back at the cops. They quickly learned how hot these things can get, much too hot to pick up in your bare hands without getting burned. That's how part of the informal dress code of the time developed:

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/01/1556661_comment.php#1560518

Hopefully Tom Abate can have a respectful talk with people this Sunday. It's amazing how it is relatively easy to explain the idea behind direct action to random people on the bus, but others can remain stuck on 'why do you rampage', not noting the very specific target of the INS building, or how nonviolent marches have not had many successes in meeting a goal in the past 20 years - yet very often thousands of lives are on the line. Should the consciencious germans have stuck with a letter writing campaign against Hitler?.

Here is another Chron writer who issued a disrespectful statement today:

Once again, as thousands did last month, people will assemble at 11 a. m. at Justin Herman Plaza at the Embarcadero. They will then march up Market Street for a 2 p.m. closing rally in Civic Center. Once again, ordinary people will give up a precious weekend day to make their voice heard -- peacefully.

Expect a tiny band of adolescent anarchists, who would rather spray graffiti and smash windows than join others in a peaceful march. We should condemn such antics. There is nothing less persuasive than using violence in the name of preventing war.

oh yes - that makes perfect sense. This reasoning you're giving completely explains why the US supported Saddam Hussein since 1979 when he took over until 1990, all through the Iran Iraq war. Our money and arms, and gas which he used to kill his own people, kurds and Iranians, allowed him to become the dictator that he is. But now we're suddenly wise democrats who wish to sort things out for purely charitable and democratic purposes. uh huh
This 'wise power' approach also explains our funding of the mujaheddin agains the imperialist Soviets, permitting the taliban to take over later. And how the US overthrew the elected leader of Iran and propped up the Shah until finally an extreme right wing movement knocked him over and we have another big enemy. Or how we tried to sort things out for only the most pure motivations in Vietnam, killing over 2 million there, and 100,000s in Cambodia and Laos in bombing raids, allowing the khmer rouge to take over and finish the rest off.

Yeah, the US really knows how to do it..

> the uncertainty in radiation in 1945

In 1945, there was considerable uncertainty. But by the time of the intentional Hanford release, they know what it would do to Asians and they knew what it did to Pacific Islanders. But they didn’t know what it would do to white people. So they killed a bunch of us to find out.


>to the deliberate attacks in 1988?

In 1988 Iraq was in a bloody war with Iran. The Kurdish villages that Saddam gassed had been fighting on the side of the Iranians. This doesn’t excuse Saddam’s actions, but it does explain them. They were despicable actions, but certainly no worse than what Americans did in, oh say, Vietnam. He “destroyed the villages in order to save them.” He used nerve gas. Americans used napalm, daisy cutters Agent Orange, and and a program of of systematic assassination called Operation Phoenix. Either way, non combatants died. Americans killed many, many times more Vietnamese non combatants that Saddam killed Kurds.

This is a totally insane idea. You can’t go head to head with twenty first century cops, using sixteenth century tactics. They’ll mop up the floor with you. You’ll be beaten soundly and imprisoned for a very, very long time. Some of you will be killed. This is not an optimum resolution.

If you can’t come up with twenty first century tactics, you’re going to have to go back a whole lot further in history than the sixteenth century to find suitable tactics. Perhaps you should read Herodotus. He describes a time when, in what is now the Ukraine, the Scythian people defeated a large army of imperialist invaders without ever engaging them in battle. They used a combination of superior maneuverability and psychological warfare.

Do not attack the police. Avoid them. The police are not the enemy. Don’t allow them to distract your attention. Stay focused. Focus is everything.

Compare his account of the Scythian’s resistance to his account, in the same volume, of how their neighbors to the east, the Massagetai, dealt with same problem.

The short version is that the Massagetai met their invaders head on. It was a trap. Even though they eventually won, they took tremendous losses in the process.

The Scythians, on the other hand, declined direct engagement. Instead, they led their attackers on a merry chase, took no losses, and also won. Eventually, their attackers tired themselves out, gave up and went home. It was a far more cost effective strategy than that of the Massagetai.

> Destruction isn't creative.

Tell that to Schumpeter

I agree.
What I think could be highly likely, and could be fun, is that one of the 5 english language TV news stations, or the spanish channel 14, could have clued in on our meeting spot, and could be there with a camera. This wouldn't be bad - that's why we dropped by the Chronicle on J18 - but it could be important to keep in mind that they could be present. We could run by Union Square or take over vanNess for soccer or do some dances for them.

T. Abate plugged indymedia today. He actually deserves some credit here, because this is one of the only articles on antiwar rallies that I've read in any newspaper that *does not* quote Todd Gitlin. Thank you for quoting people other than Todd Gitlin, Mr Abate!:

http://sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2003/02/14/MN97614.DTL
But many of today's activists distrust what they call corporate media and have created self-publishing networks that let anyone with a computer and an Internet connection upload stories, photos and videos.

One example of this phenomenon is http://www.sf.indymedia.org, the San Francisco off-shoot of an activist network that was born during the 1999 anti- globalization protests in Seattle.

"People doing media for themselves accept the fact that a bias is there even from the corporate media who claim to be objective," said Ian MacKenzie, one of 15 volunteers who run the sf.indymedia server.

These ad hoc publishing networks, in turn, become the organizing tools for anyone with an issue -- including the so-called black bloc protesters who believe their spray-painting and window-breaking actions are justified by the prospect of impending war.

One posting on sf.indymedia calls for a "creative rampage" in San Francisco on Sunday. "We are worried that our protests have become nothing more than parades," the message reads. "Protest isn't protest if it doesn't threaten the established order."

But when the message does strike a nerve, new technology gives protesters a powerful soapbox, said Internet guru Howard Rheingold, whose recent book, "Smart Mobs," looks at the phenomenon of self-organizing and leaderless movements.

I'm fully supportive of dissent--peaceful protest to the status quo is the right of every single American citizen. As evidenced yesterday in SF, the majority of anti-war protesters are, by and large, a peaceful and civilized lot, simply making their voices and views known. It's those that chose to break off from the peaceful march and go on yet another anarchic jaunt by Civic Center that stained what was otherwise a sane day of peaceful dissent.

To the Black Bloc: you're no better than the pathetic looters and mob-rule rioters of LA in '92. I'm happy to see many, many sensible anti-war marchers distance themselves from your lawless rabble, and disown your destructive tactics..."not in their name". Lashing out against police, hurling rocks at them, then whining like crybabies when the SFPD defend themselves is laughable. You have no viable agenda, other than to divide the peace movement, and galvanize the silent majority that supports Bush thick-or-thin. I'm not sure what rock you crawl out from under every time there's a protest, but please, if you hate this "vile" nation so much, there's nothing keeping you here...move to Liberia--your modus operandi would fit right in...
how lucky we all are, that we can voice our opposition to government policy w/o fear of reprisal. But don't expect me to shed any tears when you go on your mischievous rampages, then get your bell rung by an riot-gear clad police officer, or catch a rubber bullet square between the eye-holes of your black balaclava.

As a vet who has served this country proudly, I'm ashamed of your "revolutionary" actions, disgusted by your fringe tactics. I have many fellow vets who protest against Bush--that's their right, and I respect that. That they do so PEACEFULLY is a testament to their resolve in what they believe in. You, on the other hand, have just enough "courage" to hide in numbers, behind cloaks of anonymity, to wage your terrorist tactics right across the street from where I work...if you had any sense, you would wake up and smell the common sense....even the vast majority of protesters that surround you at these epic marches don't like you.

Peace is not just the absence of war...it is the presence of justice. There is no justice or redeeming cause for your actions. May the SFPD's rubber bullets find many a blac bloc(head) in protests to come

> To the Black Bloc: you're no better than the pathetic
> looters and mob-rule rioters of LA in '92.

You say it like insurrection is a bad thing.

The black bloc-ers are the ones distancing themselves from the main march. If they stop distancing themselves, you will see many a "respectable protester" change tatics and rapidly become one of the "black bloc-ers" you despise.

Punx for Peace...I AM BUSH/I AMBUSH...Drop Bush, Not Bombs...among my favorite sights at any rally, small or large, are the clever signs being held high. Almost like a competition to see who can out-wit who w/ their spiffy double entendre spiked w/ political opinion. On the other hand, devoid of any such foxy wit, are the Black Bloc, aka Neanderthals w/ Ski Masks. I love that these crass goons resort to talking it up on forums like this about undermining capitalism, slowing the threat of globalization, and generally reveling in their mass anarchy. And to what end? Even they don't know...lashing out against anything that moves (ie, SUV drivers, defenseless newspaper machines, hapless shop storefront windows). Nice way to win support for your "cause" bloc(heads)...still, the comic value is high: my favorite is the Braveheart-inspired post, suggesting BBers to use flagpoles that double as polearms, presumably to take up a phalanx position against mounted police. Had to cut&paste/forward that to my buddies in the 3rd Infantry Division, training in Kuwait...who all got a kick out of that lame 1/2-ass suggestion. Lay off the Mel Gibson movies and mind-altering pharmaceuticals, not-so-Braveheart...

it's inevitable really...one or these days, @ one of these protests, a member of this splinter faction will get a liiiiitle too cute, and will pay the price. Whoever chucked that rock/brick at the woman SFPD horse-cop, emboldened by his/her David v Goliath antics, will try again...only next time, he/she won't get a chance to admire their handiwork; before they can slink away into the ski-masked mob, they'll be plucked out of the crowd by ever-vigilant riot police who'll no doubt be worked up themselves...(insert curbside justice here)...then of course, the BBers will whine about the injustices of a police state, moan about their civil liberties, and sulk fruitlessly to the HoJ jail, while their colleagues reflect on their idiocy inside an 8"x10" cell

Can't wait for you self-styled "Class Warriors" to make your next bumbling stroll down SF streets...I'll have my TiVo programmed for all the local newscasts to record you in your down on your face, knee in your back, arms hogtied glory. This is better than Joe Millionaire/Survivor/American Idol wrapped up in one(!) =p

oh yeah...even better would be if you would all, en masse, fly to Iraq to become "human shields" (read: pointless fodder not worth a lick of sympathy)...oh never mind, that would require some semblance of courage (misguided as it may be). still, give it some thought would ya?

That was posted by a cop. They're just trying to bait into a trap.

"duh"...wow, that about sums up the whole BB (Black Bloc or Big Bowel "movement"). Sorry to disappoint, but nope, I'm no cop, just a guy w/ a 9-to-5 and a family who disagrees w/ the MO of the BB. Just watching the news again...I swear I've seen some of you guys/gals/etc around, at the laundromat, seeing a movie at AMC 1000, passing you by as you panhandle near Powell. SF really is a small town, isn't it...little did I know on the flip side of your "Will work for food" sign, it said "Destroy capitalism"...ahhhh the irony

oh, my favorite BB/F16 scenes are the brain-donor in the red sweatshirt catching the butt-end of a baton in the solar plexus, and the imbecile (probably not-so-Braveheart sans polearm) trying to stop a moving police car by doing a sloppy rendition of the Tianammen (sic) Square tank-block-maneuver...

really, I mean it...I know a good travel agent--she could book a good package deal to the scenic Euphrates River Valley. maybe even toss in a few discarded flak jackets, to boot. Keep it coming, BB...love the video-bytes...keep getting better and better each "march"...you mindless chaotic lemmings; SEE YOU ON THE N JUDAH!!! =P

i work a 9-to-5, i have a family too, buddy. just because you're one of those kiss-asses at work who ruins it for the rest of us doesnt mean you can act that way to just anybody out in the world. you want to write your stupid petitions and go to a bonnie raitt concert, then do it. but don't fucking talk trash on those of us who have more commitment and spend our lifetimes working during the day, and working for something more at night. incidentally, the REASON you work a 9-to-5 job is because ANARCHISTS were KILLED fighting for it, you loud mouth jackass.

communists and trade-unionists and a bunch of other people died fighting for the 8-hour workday too. and they were fighting in the streets, not whining, and not begging. we've got miles to go before we're as impressive as them.

Black Bloc diminishes the whole....The peace message loses attention. Their vain attempt to get back all that stolen lunch money from High School becomes the focus. Their "Hit and Run Tactics" should be called "Flail and Flee". Cowards.........

>>Your black bloc types are not willing to do that (stand and fight). They're wimps!
Really. Stick around and watch.

>That remains to be seen.

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Dateline: San Francisco: February 16, 2003

The breakaway crowd seemed to be mostly made up of young "Black Bloc" anarchists like those who broke windows and spray-painted buildings during last month's march.

Many wore masks and black clothing, and they seemed to favor hit-and-run tactics, engaging in random acts of vandalism and violence, then racing away from pursuing officers.

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Wimps.

Then let's see it -- bring out the brownshirt brigade. You can fulfill your historic destiny to revive the anti-communist, anti-worker fascist brigades of Mussolini and Hitler. You know where the protest will be. Why not show up and call people wimps instead of hiding out on this message board? Come, get your ass kicked, get your picture on SF Indymedia, become famous, get laughed at. Easy as that

Thy are not 'random' They are targeted.

A few of my friends and I came to your anti-war protest this last weekend We wanted to express ourselves in the anti-war tone in such a way that it expressed the logical conclusion of what your methods would mean. With that in mind, we showed up carring the following signs, and mixed right in with the anti-war throng.

Our first sign showed a woman dressed in a burka with a chain around her neck with the chain connected to a pole. The sign read "Keep USA Hands Out Of Islamic Law - No War".

The second sign read "Except For Defeating Nazism, Communism, and Socialism, War Has Never Accomplished Anything".

The third sign read "Saddam Only Kills His Own People - He's Not Our Problem -- No War".

We had a few people give us funny looks, and some guy came up and acted like he wanted to hit us, but he was nothing. We marched right with the rest of the anti-war protesters, chanting and singing. It was a wonderful day.

I saw you guys and your signs at the protest. Glad I saw your posting here. Many of us read your signs but we were unable to understand what your message was.

No "proud", the reason I got a 9-to-5 is because I worked at it, interviewed and networked like crazy, then finally got a decent job--I doubt any anarchists' dying words were ever "*gasp* I'm glad my senseless actions will one day get someone gainfully employed *croak*"

No wonder you're so hostile and bitter...you have a 9-to-5 which you obviously disdain, then you go plan your pointless acts of subversion at night...doesn't leave much time for the beauty rest even a growing anarchist needs--stunts your growth and makes you even crankier at the aforementioned morning shift at Kinko's.

Pitiful, really.

Jim, SF: didn't see your signs--wish I had...good contrarian message-sending...nice to see a wide variety of opinions Sunday...

Back to BB&Proud, I'll take 20 in goldenrod, 20 in canary, and 20 sunflower yellow...c'mon sleepy-head, hop to it! =P

The term wimp does not do Black Bloc justice. Wimps are such by nature and they have no choice over their wimpiness....cowards are those who have the ability to stand up and choose to run away...Black Bloc are cowards who oppress the weak and run from the strong. Throw rocks...throw paint.....swear....break windows .......runaway runaway runaway....give the movement a bad name........

i consider myself an anarchist. BB can be effective and sometimes its kinda lame- it all depends on many things. i say to SF peeps into BB tactics to stop being stupid- don't do it when the man is watching you- like during a protest. if you were doing anything besides masturbating you'd be doing actions all the time not just during a protest march. And incidently your odds at getting away to continue the struggle or however you see it are much greater at 4am with a set small affinity group then they are in the middle of a big protest with cops everywhere looking for you or at you. Prescence at protests is good- action should wait or maybe be taking place in another part of the city while all the cops are watching the guys in black at the big protest...i mean duh!scattered BB type actions happening crosstown during a protest IS a fuck of a lot more effective wiether or not the media report it. Confronting cops? pulling someone free when you got the numbers sure- attacking them? Thats just stupid- now jamming their radios or having them chase down wild geese who...ohmigawd, are not doing anything after all while someone somewhere else ..ah hell i gotta say it. Fucks shit up- thats thinking. Plus this way it doesn't have to have to step on anyone's toes or interfere with the main demo. Am i high or is that just common sense?
Lets please not get bogged in idiot would be marxist polemics- anarchy is from the heart not a book. You don't like the concept of starbucks or what they or other big corps stand for? Break their fucking windows- don't hurt anyone, don't get cought and don't do it in such a way that it discredits someone else's style of protest. Not too dificult a concept you'd think. Ya'll too damn serious and pretentious about it- makes ya a fuck of a lot less effective.
over.

Is that really possible? How?

Here is a link to some people blocking the bridge with a tripod yesterday in Seattle. Pictures and description:

http://seattle.indymedia.org/front.php3?article_id=22650&group=webcast

In stating that capitalism is a war on the poor, do you mean that effective markets provide the opportunity for the poor to escape poverty? Or are you arguing the typical line that capitalism creates poverty? If the former, then why destroy it? If the latter, then what system do you propose? After the destruction, what construction will you attempt? If the rich are gotten rid of, who will pay the taxes to support the utopian social system that you probably envision? Will one have the choice to not participate, as one can do in the evil American version of capitalism?

Note that when you break the windows of Starbucks you are hurting far more people than you realize. One, the shop owner, probably independent and struggling. Two, his or her employees, whose pay will certainly not increase due to this unexpected cost. Three, the customers who, in a manner akin to the employees, will not see prices decrease and will likely see them increase due to the unexpected cost of window replacement. Destruction does not make the pie bigger.

Miquelito,
breaking a starbucks window does indeed couse an inconvienence to the franchise owner etc. It does not raise the price of coffee, people who work there do not lose their jobs(which are hardly really jobs anyway). i hate ideological blather but those with the money are nearly always covered. Even some poor shmuck who thinks he'll send his children to college by expoiting labor and corporate greed has insurence. I don't advocate destruction of property specificly, i advocate one doing what one is inspired to do to point up the absolute hypocrasy of rampent consumerism and the gross denial of its ill effects on all humans. I also despise group think and manipulative leftists. I get along fine with the rank and file PC crowd but i also wear fur and eat meat- my choice.
By taking such direct action one(hopefully) has made their deciscion as to what's right and wrong already. They have already made their call and anything you or i say about it is moot. They sure as fuck aren't reading this seriously.Also at a time when the whole world is being fucked with there are many times when the wrong deciscion is better than indeciscion. I mean the whole mass media brainwash thing is pretty thick to bust through- though I admit the BB actions were basicly ineffective other than giving some city workers a little overtime and being a circle jerk for the participants. i challenge them to think and do what they will without being so daft about it. But they will anyway- thats why they call themselves anarchists i soppose- not a damn thing you can do about it.
How to jam cop radios- yes it can be done- no i won't discuss it here- you gotta brain figure it out or find someone who can- oh it is incredibly illegal of course for what thats worth.
I do think focus is important-if its anti military go for the recruiting office,not the starbucks, don't just smash anything that is lame.
Squirting superglue into ATMs will really piss off a lot of people, on the other hand squirting superglue into ATMs will really piss off a lot of people. That would be cool if you could get ALL the ATMs or those of a certain bank in particulure for a specific reason.
I do agree that the guy thinking flagstaffs should be used as anti cop weapons is a compleat idiot and probably one of the five or so still behind bars today.
The communards in paris were butchered- but hey suit yourself.
Personaly i prefer the phrase "Be the bomb that you throw" So all you black clad would be bad asses go out there and do something smart for a change will ya? I mean what the fuck did the horse do to you?(though if you really must fuck with cop horses in extreme police violence situactions, not likely SF, lots and lots of marbles do a better job or at least its worth a shot.)
Blac bloc style protest shouldn't hide behind major protests i think, thats just lame and not terribly smart either- more about ego than effect. Selfish too and stupid beligerent when it comes to non defensive violence.
But will any of these words make any difference?

Well, you do need a scanner, linear amplifier
in the broad cast bandwidth ( some are damn high
look it up) and someone with a soldering gun.
Simply exceed the 10/1 signal to noise.
White noise is good for stamp and paste
confusion and misdirection, if you know the
jargon.
The trick is to be very mobile and stealth.
This could (maybe ) work once.
Then the cops would encript as well as code
with fast switch military squawkers.

It works. At least that's what this one guy says:

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/02/1574130_comment.php#1574146

As for jamming, which I personally do not recommend, has anyone considered these:

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/02/1576151_comment.php#1576235

>>>As for jamming, which I personally do not recommend, has anyone considered these:

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/02/1576151_comment.php#1576235
<<<

Homebrew HERF guns are usually pretty big, most won't fit in the back of an SUV, much less in your back pocket.

>The Nazis gained materially, and lived to spend it thus, they won the war. They did not win as much as they wanted to win, but who does?

What flawed logic.

That's like saying that you got into a fist-fight with someone, they gouged your eyes out, beat your head until you were deaf, permanently damaged your nasal cavities, broke every bone in your body, and knocked out 22 of your teeth. BUT, since you still have 10 teeth left they didn't get, you won the fight.

No, it’s more like attack dogs of fascist capitalism
that got funded and trained by the REAL criminals
got killed or corralled. The masters were never touched
for the carnage they created.
Only the armed forces surrendered. The core, we welcomed into the CIA and NASA through operation paperclip.

>>>He shot a radio signal toward a pachinko machine in order to interfere with the computer that controls the machine. Using this device, they successfully hit a bull's eye worth 30 thousand yen.<<<

Ok, so this machine was small, but it seems like it had a really limited range. The article doesn't say, but it seems like the couple was right next to the machine.

What would a cop to do you if you got really close to him and pointed a strange device at his radio?

Still, technology has advanced quite a bit.

Let's see. I was aiming for the Hope Diamond but I walked away with a jar of dirt. In the overall scheme I'd have to call that a loss.

Your bank analogy is flawed logic. You had two (2) chances to catch it; when you wrote it and when you just considered it again. You missed on both occasions.

In your illustration, at least one robber walked away with the cash they were after. The Nazis were after more than cash. A lot more. And they lost it all but a little.

$15 billion? $15 billion is mere pennies on the dollar compared to what they would have gained had they been victorious.

If you want to call being beat to the point of being blind, deaf, and dumb but still having 10 teeth left a victory, by all means, the stage is yours.

Except that they walked into the casino with $100, won up to $1000, then lost and walked away with $10.

If you can't comprehend that, there's no hope for you. It wouldn't be the first time, so Earth is not holding its collective breath.

I can admire to a point someone arguing their case. But sometimes you argue to a fault.

Money is power. Power is money. Why is the President of the United States considered the most powerful man in the world? Wealth is not based upon how much money you have. It's how...much...money.......you...........control.

Now, $15 billion is nothing to sneeze at, granted. Besides the rest of the loot and what they could do with it. But by losing power, in comparison, their take in the end was pennies on the dollar.

Look guy, the weekend is young and I'm out to make hay and relax w/ friends. The Slanted Door on Valencia. Enjoy your weekend.

The signers of the Declaration of Independence, and many who fought for the nation's independence, were men of means, responsibility and property.
Men like Ben Franklin - newsman, printer, scientist, diplomat, and Philadephia's richest philanthropist. Or landed gentry like washington and Jefferson. They had much to lose as patriots for independence.

The Starbucks window-breaking Black Bloc are hardly in this league, now, are they?
More like hooligans who get their jollies from vandalism.

" To the Black Bloc: you're no better than the pathetic looters and mob-rule rioters of LA in '92. I'm happy to see many, many sensible anti-war marchers distance themselves from your lawless rabble, and disown your destructive tactics..."not in their name". Lashing out against police, hurling rocks at them, then whining like crybabies when the SFPD defend themselves is laughable. You have no viable agenda, other than to divide the peace movement, and galvanize the silent majority that supports Bush thick-or-thin. I'm not sure what rock you crawl out from under every time there's a protest, but please, if you hate this "vile" nation so much, there's nothing keeping you here...move to Liberia--your modus operandi would fit right in... ' "

You tell 'em.

These antics discredit the peace movement and anger most Americans.

if you march with a permit,
if you march where you're told,
you are being obedient.

obedience will not stop this fucking war.

ANY of you who sit down and organize with the WWP (the real people behind ANSWER/IAC) are sitting down with advocates of mass murder, as they are supporters of kim il sung, the massacre at tianamen square, milosovic, and, yes, saddam fucking hussein.

ANY of you who sit and organize with that filth and who go and obiediently march in a march organized by people with EXTREMELY VIOLENT AUTHORITARIAN ideals have absolutely NOTHING to stand on in your criticisms of black bloc.

The USA is about to up the level of genocide it is committing. RESPOND APPROPRIATELY you fucking piece of self-absorbed shit.

hrm.
I saw Ward Churchill talk yesterday at a church in Oakland. Global Exchange sponsored this, along with KPFA - they'll broadcast it sometime this week and I'll try to figure out when.
He started by talking about his 'chickens coming to roost' essay which he said he wrote within 24 hours of the 9/11, and so you had to take that into account for this word choice - but then he proceeded to go into a laundry list of horrible absolutely defenseless things that unaccountable rulers in the US have done. I hadn't even heard about some of them - like how Columbus was brought back to Europe in chains because the other spanish who came with him on his 2nd trip were disgusted by how many people he killed. And he described how after the civil war, forced labor camps with all black workers were quite common, and absolutely no one survived those for more than 10 years, which made them worse than Dachau and Matthausen in Germany.
He emphasized how you can't just simply say that you would be judging people in the past by the standards of today, because you can go to the codified laws for conduct during war from those historical times and show how they were violating the laws of their time, and how often military abusers were reviewed by courts or by the press or regular citizens of their time and were found guilty or were sharply criticized, but they were still allowed to get away scot free with what they did - for instance the Sand Creek massacre in Colorado.
Then he emphasized how the result of the Nurnberg trials was a finding that the general population *is* responsible for keeping their government in check and how saying that ordinary citizens lacked power wasn't considered an adequate defense during the Nurberg tribunals - and how should we apply this to today.

He described how the police started shooting tear gas at people at a pretty low-key Colorado Springs antiwar march (that my aunt was at, and confirmed the story) for stepping off the curb and not hearing their dispersal order, and how proud he is of his students who maced back some police who were pepper spraying them.

>many who fought for the nation's independence, were men of means, responsibility and property.


Most who actually fought and died were farmers, tradesmen, sailors and laborors.

The rich guys took the credit, that's all.

BB now BB later,
You are so transparent in your claims. Black Bloc members follow like mindless drones. The few who do lead get off on the followers doing their bidding. There is no independant thought in Black Bloc actions only mob mentality . The only time BB acts independantly is when they scurry away to avoid consequences for their actions (ie:arrest). Never have I seen a group alienate themselves agaist every faction of a movement. We got your message and, "IT BLOWS".

speaking about drone behavior, churchill (which he called his colonialist name) also said that people should take over the ANSWER stage if they are refusing to let some people talk, like palestinians, although, I haven't been following the speaker lists. Have they been refusing palestinians? I thought they should have let Lerner up because he's fine and it would deflate the WSJ articles about it. there should be multiple stages, like at lollapalooza. How much could a sound system cost. I know people with several in their basements.

your response offer no analysis beyond "yeah, well same to you."

you confuse organization with obedience.

just go on marching in your obedient marches.

don't step off the curb! don't march without a permit! afterall, it might affect your lifestyle -- a lifestyle invested in the system and the state, and now apparently with a bunch of fucking stalinists, too.

from:
http://www.budapestsun.com/full_story.asp?ArticleId={EF0ADAC589C6415594B31111F1D18FEC}&From=News

February 20, 2003 - Volume XI, Issue 8
Marchers oppose war

By Eszter Balázs

Around 30,000 demonstrators walked from Liszt Ferenc tér to Heroes’ Square in Budapest as part of Saturday’s worldwide day of protest against a war with Iraq, with another smaller group, the Peace Chain, marching elsewhere in the city.

Violence, however, marred the main event, with fights breaking out between opposing groups of protesters.

The largest demonstration, organized by Civilians for Peace, started at 3pm with a speech by the President of the Association for the Taxation of Financial Transactions for the Aid of Citizens Against Neo-Liberalism Hungary (ATTAC), Annamária Artner, who greeted the peoples of the Middle East and encouraged the demonstrators to continue to stand by their principles while there was still the danger of aggression in the world.

Other speakers voiced their opinions that a war on Iraq would serve solely the economic interests of a small group.

The crowd, a diverse group including environmentalists, well-dressed conservative ladies, anarchists waving red flags, people wearing "Greater Hungary" badges, punks and skinheads, divided into two main groups at the start of the march.

A smaller group led, chanting anti-Government, anti-America and anti-Israel slogans, demanding the resignation of Hungarian Prime Minister Péter Medgyessy.

They were followed by the actual peace march, deliberately keeping a distance, whose participants carried banners with slogans such as "Not in my name" and "We don’t want war".

Once at Heroes’ Square, where Kurdish speakers voiced their concerns, some of the anti-Government section of the crowd became embroiled in a disagreement with the organizers, who warned that the demonstration should not degenerate into a party rally.

However demonstrators carrying Hungarian and Iraqi flags with black badges attached put up a banner reading "MSZP=war=death’s head=SZDSZ," which, according to an eyewitness, sparked violence. (The MSZP is the senior governing Hungarian Socialist Party and the SZDSZ is the junior Government coalition member, the Free Democrats’ Association.)

"This was more of a fist fight between the two sorts of participants than a fight between the organizers and the right-wingers," said the eyewitness. "Police did not intervene at all, they were some 2-300 meters back in their patrol cars."

Police later apprehended three people carrying banners displaying the red star and the hammer and sickle, which are banned in Hungary as symbols of tyranny.

Nobody was taken into custody.

The demonstration slowly dissolved at around 5pm, "as a result of the division lines and the cold," said one organizer.

The Peace Chain demonstration, leading from Szent Gellért tér to Erzsébet tér, was a calmer affair, with participants forming a human chain across Szabadság híd (bridge) and throwing paper boats with messages of peace into the Danube.

Unrelated to the peace marches but on the same day, an event organized by the Neo-Fascist Blood and Honor group in memory of Fascist soldiers who died on February 11, 1945, was held on Kossuth tér, with the Hungarian Jewish Religious Communities Association (Mazsihisz) holding a counter-demonstration at the same place.

The Blood and Honor Cultural Association, the legality of which is currently being questioned in court, held its annual memorial event in front of the Museum of Ethnography, where wreaths were laid on a portable wooden cross in front of around 100 supporters.

Separated by fences and tram tracks, Mazsihisz remembered the victims of Fascism and protested against the resurgence of Fascist ideology.

Some members of the Mazsihisz gathering shouted and whistled at the far-right group, who were chanting, "We are neither Nazis, nor Fascists, we are Magyar Hungarists."

The two sides left the square in opposite directions under police surveillance, with some of the "Magyar Hungarists" leaving for the main peace demonstration.

Anti-war rallies were also staged in the towns of Pécs and Kaposvár.

Government spokesman Zoltán J Gál said the Government respected the faith and determination of the demonstrators.

He added that the civilized way in which the majority expressed their convictions deserved respect.

It's a good thing nobody has suggested using slings. People might get hurt.

See:

The Wrist Rocket Sling Shot (for accuracy, not distance)

http://www.defenseagainstcrime.com/self-defense/misc-defense-items/slingshot.htm


David’s Sling (for distance, not accuracy)

http://www.pipeline.com/~jburdine/


Using a sling (animated GIF)

http://www.staff.ncl.ac.uk/nikolas.lloyd/weapons/sling.html


Illustration of adequate distance between slingers deployed to release in volley (scroll down to “Funditori”)

http://webpages.charter.net/brueggeman/skirmishers.html


The Staff Sling (doubles as cudgel)

http://www.meridies.org/as/dmir/Arms&Armor/02/0217.html

this:

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/02/1575289.php

Will there be a black bloc for march 15th? from the looks of today's meeting in the UN, the trigger happy leaders of the US and UK set a deadline for march 17th. Let's take over market street again!

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<p>If you want to jam the San Francisco Police radio, you're going to have to have some skill with electrical engineering -- skill beyond what I have, but the thought crossed my mined, and I've researched what would be necessary to do so.</p>

<p>The police radio uses an 800 Mhz trunked digital system. It uses more than a dozen different frequencies, which you are going to have to jam all of. You aren't going to be able to build a circuit out of normal leaded components and wires to operate on this high frequency (in the microwave range). You are going to need a printed circuit board. You are going to need to tune into frequencies in the 800-900 Mhz range, but you are going to have to be accurate in tuning down to the 100hz range.</p>

<p>The central components of this circuit will be a phase-locked loop (PLL), which digitally tunes into the frequency, some kind of noise generator (actually, a simple sine wave will do it, if it's strong enough), some kind of programming matrix that sets the frequencies, and a amplifier to produce the final signal. For antennae, a standard GPS antenna will work fine, and draw very little suspicion, or you can purchase one of those omnidirectional microwave antennae that cell phone towers use.</p>

<p>I have the list of frequencies currently in use by the SFPD. Here it is:</p>

<code>
System: San Francisco, City & County
County: San Francisco
Type: II (Digital Smartzone)
Use: Police, Fire, Hospital & Court Security operations

Frequencies:
Site 1:
866.0500 866.2250 866.2500 866.4500 866.5750
866.6500 866.7750 866.8250 866.9625 867.2250
867.2750 867.4375 867.4562 867.6500 867.7000
867.9000 868.0625 868.1125 868.5375 868.7375
868.7875 868.9000

Site 2:
856.2375 857.2375 858.2375 866.8625 867.7250
868.3375
</code>

<p>Source: http://www.bearcat1.com/fleetca.htm</p>

<p>I have found a design for a jammer that operates on eight different channels. If you want to use it for this, you will obviously need more than one, because there are more than 8 channels. Of course, if you know enough to build one of these things, you can probably redesign it too.... But this might help:</p>

<p>http://gbppr.dyndns.org/PROJ/mil/ccecm/</p>

<p>If you do build one of these, don't get caught! I don't know what they'll do to you for jamming the police and fire frequencies, but it can't be good.</p>

<p>Fortunately, you can take certain measures to make things easier for yourself. Putting the thing in a moving vehicle will be good for starters. If you really want to make it hard for them to triangulate you though, a direct action affinity group will be necessary. By building multiple jammers and operating them all in close proximity, in moving vehicles, you will make it almost impossible for them to triangulate any of them acurately. The more jammers, the harder it will be.</p>

<p>Note that the SFPD frequencies don't travel very far. There are eight different transmission towers in the city, linked by directional microwave for this reason. You could easily jam the downtown, but if you actually wanted to jam the whole city, thus keeping reinforcements from being mobilized from other parts, you would have to have one jamming system near each one of their towers.... And if you wanted to keep from getting caught, you would probably need at least two or three independent jamming stations per tower, moving around in vehicles.</p>

<p>Now this is not an impossible endeavor. One person with a good amount of electrical engineering knowledge, some cash, and a bunch of trusted friends could easily pull it off without getting caught. The SFPD could change their frequencies, but people could find out what the new ones were, and reprogram the hammers. Without spending millions of dollars, they couldn't change the system dramatically enough to prevent this kind of jamming, even with foreknowledge that it might be taking place.</p>

<p>A copy of the schematics for the jammer (in case its original site goes down), is attached and should appear at the end. It's in uuencoded bzip2-compressed tar format. The schematic files are postscript format. (This was the best I could do within the constraints of file space that are allowed):</p> begin 644 jammer.tar.bz2
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on M16 or on D-Day?

form retaliation would take?

Would it be preemptive and selective, with it's specivicity based on a Carnivore scan of who shows interest in this thread? Or would they counter jam activists' communications networks?

Or both?

If you're really serious about another Black Block then either don't start the violence or start reading Che.
Hit and run is just vandalism and it does just about shit for anybody... plus it's OUR CITY we're burning down, not Bush's. But if you really want to burn some shit, at least make sure it's cooperate or really an agent of the enemy.
Don't just knock over a few street signs and throw a few rocks through Old Navy's windows... bring road flares to follow the rocks. Bring some molotovs and toss them at SUVs. Hit the real targets...
...But I don't suggest that.

Black Block is kind of a fucked up thing, because you take what's generally a peace march and then you turn it into an anti-state march. There's a big difference between achieving or keeping peace and stopping war (stopping the state). To stop a war you can start a different one back home, but to achieve peace you have to do it though peace... I don't know how many of us are really truly pro-peace instead of anti-corporate fascism.

You really have to have an Anti-Fascist march in order to justify strikes against the corporate state... so have one.
Build your jammers, mix up your Molotov?s, and be ready. There's a very important date coming up:

Any Caesar on the march,
Should beware the Ides of March,
For long ago, they say,
We found a cure for Tyranny.

Why not have an Anti-Empire march on the 15th, and make clear that that is what it is and it isn't a peace march? Choose a different place maybe even start it late at night.... (night would be good cover, plus police cars on fire look pretty against a night sky)
Why not take Market again but starting at 11pm? Or maybe even some good justified hit-and-runs against SUVs and Corperate stores... cop cars....etc...
Anyway... I'm not saying you should do this, or that it's even a good idea (it's probabbly not, and it's really really not a good idea unless it's done in several groups that are organized and somewhat coordinated), I'm just saying that it's a better idea than disrupting and detracting from a peace protest....

during the last rally, protesters got in their cars and drove to SF to participate. this was really good for the oil firms cuz you spent 10,000 more gallons that weekend than what would normally be spent. Willie Brown, mayor is also very happy because you spent lots of money buying food from SF.

Please support big business and big oil. Have another protest! Exxon loves you! haha!

>good justified hit-and-runs against SUVs

Bad Idea. Do NOT attack the personal property of fellow workers, ever. Never do anything that divides workers, and sets us against each other.

>and Corperate stores...

These are symbols only. The time for symbolic actions is *long* past. This is a real war. Symbolic resistance in not appropriate.

>cop cars....etc...

The police are not the enemy. They're just in the way, that's all. Don't attack the police. Go around the police. Bounce off the police. Out run the police. Don't attack them. It's a waste of time, energy, blood and bail money.

You know where the real enemy is. Go there. Don't let the police distract you.

this:

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/03/1580232_comment.php#1580651

Critic is right about worker's property, but I'm talking about Lexus and Caty SUVs. Those don't belong to the wokers, the belong to the slave holders.
I think he's also right about corperate stores being just a symobls, but they also take money away from our communities... your choice.
Police are people too, no matter how much we may hate to admit it. But Bush is a person too, the SS was made of people, etc. Unlike alot of fascists, cops really think they're doing the right thing for us. That makes it really hard, because we know they're not. Avoid them if possible, but don't be afraid to strike if neccicary (do not strike unless you can strike hard enough that your enemy won't get back up).

After reading pointer's link I think it would be wise to have a nonviolent march combined with other actions. Read that thread, it's worth it... ESPECIALLY if you're interested in other Anarchist action.

greetings everyone,
I am writting in regards to the way black bloc has been zealously thrown around and the depiction i'm hearing are false. Historicly, the black bloc has always been an ANARCHIST cell group for direct action and cause economic sabotage on government structures and corporate structures. Lately I've been hearing people call just anyone wearing black at a protest apart of the black bloc. Black bloc is a tactic and a weapon against the state. it works out the same as cell groups like the alf and elf. Now If we are not careful we give the pigs too much information. I have also seen so called "black bloc groups" that aren't even anarchist. What the hell is up with that? There is a good communique out there that was written by the black bloc. This is a very valuable piece of literature for the black bloc. We need to get more organized and stop fucking around.

I looove the petrol bomb (molotov cocktail) photo, its so phocs n3ws isn't it. The cop uniform reminds me of THX 1138 or is it Electra-glide in blue.....

"There is a good communique out there that was written by the black bloc. "

come again? there is no black bloc. it's a fucking tactic. not a group. a tactic. not a lifestyle. a tactic.

and chuck0, just because you run a really awesome website doesn't mean you get to think you in any way have the last word on black blocs.

it's a really, really tired and predictable tactic, much like the "let's put on bright uniforms, march in lines across a field, and get shot" tactic is pretty old. that's how the american revolutionaries fucked up the british, and that's how the viet cong fucked up the americans -- THEY DIDN'T DO WHAT THEY WERE EXPECTED TO DO. seems pretty basic, actually.

I agree with the person who said that Symbolic forms of destruction (aka big chain stores or corporations) are for the most part empty gestures.

Go after Strategic Targets which will actually affect the workings of the American Empire and its wars.

That means:

Government buildings such as City Hall, etc..

Anything associated with the military such as recruiting centers, military bases, transportation routes.

Police Stations and police apparatus such as police cars, etc.... (This is a high value but also a high risk target--so be very selective and careful about going after these targets)

Media--especially the media. The capitalist media is critical in terms of manufacturing consent for the war.

Specific institutions connected to the American War machine such as weapons manufacturers like Lockheed-Martin, McDonnel Douglass, Boeing, Raytheon, Halliburton.

Banks and financial institutions. One of the things that antiwar activists have not talked about enough is the fact that this entire War Crusade is being driven by the threat of an immenient global finanical crash, of which the Wall Street bubble is central. Hitting banks and financial institutions will only further destabilize this global financial system and surely throw a wrench into the ongoing war.

http://www.indybay.org/news/2003/02/1575289_comment.php#1577435

BLACK BOMB is 100% correct here.
Sure, we got a lot of media attention..finally.
But..the people we Wanted to reach..nada.
Still Ignoring us all to hell.
If we Really want to make a Statement with our protests...we Gotta hit em where they'll FEEL it.
The other hits are flashy, but not as Direct as striking out at the Nerve centers.......
C'mon!..how do we disable the big bad assailant when we're unarmed?
Hit em where it Hurts.
Breaking windows in shitshops might feel good but it amounts to little more than hair pulling.
They notice it for a minute or two.
It Doesn't do much for our cause either...
We Need to strike the Nervous System of the beast.
IMHO, That looks like the Only way to get it's attention.

Peace2U&Urz
Sol
Z.

This is such a good idea that we here in the nepa are going to do it too.

I haven't carried a sign before b'cause I wanted my hands free..but I made one just for this 'special occasion'.
"We Tried Nicely.
They didn't want to listen.
Now, we Make them Listen."

Looks like its gonna happen All over the World.

(I agree 100% with Black Bomb on Choice of Targets.)
Our particular Bi-weekly march is still so small that up until last night I was the only BB in it.
Last night saw the crowd doubled and Two other BBs
appeared <G>
Still Way not enough as some of the red-whitenblue necks- pro war- pro Anything that involves beating up kids and scaring old ladies bearing candles are getting braver and meaner.

All together we were only about 100 strong and do Not do anything but sing, dance, march, hand out paper and block a few parking lots..but the cops decided to suit up in riot gear they never had on before.
(New Toyz?)
This made the RW&B's Really aggressive.
Cops are on their side, Not ours.. so...I Hope we get More BB's.

If/when the F-ing war starts, even the Grannies want to toss a few things.
Mainly At the commish offices, court house and city hall.

I like the idea of it.
The time has come for Change.
This area Was bush country.
Now...it isn't so much.
Even the local papers are covering us favorably.
And are running some of the Truth about this NONelected nightmare.

Local Tv?
So far..we don't exist to them.
Eventually, perhaps.
Right after they replace that nice big....window.

Tonight...Everybody agrees we are gonna toss a car.
A certain politically oriented car.
Vote still out on if it burns or Not.

Peace2U&Urz
Sol
Z.

Some things to keep in mind, when engaging in direct action which is considered illegal by the court system (i.e. property damage). These points do not necessary apply to traditional forms of action such as Strikes or Civil Disobedience, in which one wishes to be arrested:

1). BE SMART. Always choose your targets carefully. This means not choosing targets which have nothing to do with the war (duh!) or which would alienate other workers, minorities, or the disenfranchised. Alienating the American Political Establishment is an altogether different matter however. Obviously, choose Strategic Targets which you believe you have a High Probability of striking effectively WITHOUT BEING CAUGHT OR IDENTIFIED.

2). BE SAFE. This means carefully planning your direct actions and maintaining a high level of security throughout the process. You should thus keep information about this direct action limited to other people on a strict Need to Know basis. This will limit the possibility of crucial information falling into the hands of the police somehow and ultimately incriminating you.

Furthermore, attacking targets without first doing preliminary reconaissance and surveillance of the target site is foolhardy. Make a concrete plan as to what you plan to do to this target, how you are going to execute this direction, and how you are going to evade capture by Authorities. Plan your transporation to and from the Target site, executing your action against the target quickly and efficiently, AND making sure that you leave NO INCRIMINATING EVIDENCE at the target site.

Make CONTINGENY PLANS as to what you will do if something goes wrong and the shit hits the fan (as will often happen). In particular, you should devise AT LEAST ONE BACKUP PLAN FOR EFFECTING YOUR ESCAPE from a target site.

These issues of safety and security are critical as anyone caught engaging in direct action most likely will face severe legal and criminal injustice REPRESSION by the police and courts.

In general, keep in mind the cost/benefits of attacking any target. Don't enage in direct action without having thought out carefully what the risks and dangers of this action are. Always make sure you are committed and ready to deal with the CONSEQUENCES--legal, financial, and personal--of being caught by the authorities. If you are not prepared to face the consequences, don't perform the direct action.

Always err on the side of caution. We don't need martyrs or people filled with reckless bravado to throw away their lives.

Remember, this is not a game. This is political struggle--an example of the Black Panther Party originally called "the War of the Flea."

BE SMART. AND BE SAFE.

Enough mosquitos can drain a moose.

Just a quick note for those who hop onto this message board to flame those who use black bloc tactics: There's a reason (really, more than one) for violence in protests. Without them, nonviolence loses its punch, and the world feels free to ignore the peace movement. The equation goes like this:

violent protest --> authorian repression -->violent protest --->escalation-->nonviolent protest -->atrocity-->public outrage--->legislative or regime change.

Everyone applauds mahatma gandhi's tactics of nonviolence. But the only reason - THE ONLY REASON - they worked was because the people who marched beside him went to their deaths. They were shot, clubbed, gassed, and hosed. This resulted in such shocking atrocities that India and Britain could not suppress the public outcry, and the world changed.

But those atrocities WOULD NOT HAVE OCCURRED without the threat of violent protest. Before gandhi, there were years and years of violent protest - the authorities were habituated to force, and did not see a need to change their tactics. This precedent - this carelessness with violence - is what allowed Gandhi the provoke atrocity, and, perforce, change.

The point: Do not delude yourselves. There is no such thing as a "safe" protest. Nonviolence is rooted in violence. Without the threat of violence, nonviolence loses its power.

'Nuff said.

'Pologies for the many spelling errors. Thought I'd caught them all (What I get for typing before coffee)

Luck at the rally, Y'awl.

my favorite potrero/army. lots of access and space to spread out. over and underpasses for perspective. and penn street is of interested too.

portland was successful on many levels. me too.
spread out and carry on.