SF PEACe rally: Photos from Environmentalists Against the War & Main Rally

you forgot to put your logo on there.

You know, I applaud that the eco groups are organizing, and these were excellent slogans, but it seems sort of commercial, partly with all the signs being professionally done and mass produced, and partly with all the photos including the name across the front. All you have to do is have your name at the top and people know these are your photos.

But many groups have this issue of mass produced signs, and it's understandable why it is done. But where's the love in that? Just have a sign-painting party and have everyone paint five extra signs.

As an environmentalist, I must agree that all the mass produced signs are a big contradiction. Come on people, "walking for peace" is great, but how about this one "cutting down trees to make signs for peace" Will that work?

Just a thought from an environmental studies graduate from UCSC. What about Kevin Danaher or the folks at RAN, did they see a contradiction in spending thousands of dollars on signs?

Take a cardboard box and a marker and think for yourselves. Save money and trees. Would that be radical environmentalism?

"Environmentalists Against War" please keep up the good work and keep working for peace.

Ez paz,
Bradley

Finally, someone I KNOW...RIGHT ON,Mason! another (irate)hippie...

Without their "voluntary servitude" the leader would be impotent. As Gandhi points out:

Even the most despotic government cannot stand except for the consent of the governed which consent is often forcibly procured by the despot. Immediately the subject ceases to fear the despotic force, his power is gone (Gandhi, 1980, p.27)

In actual practice, the withdrawal of co-operation takes the form of civil disobedience, strikes, occupations, boycotts, and a general mass non-compliance with the wishes of the oppressor. [Gene Sharp (1973) has documented over 200 successful techniques of nonviolent resistance.] In the great Indian strike or hartel of 1930 against the Salt Laws, for example, virtually the entire subcontinent was shut down and British rule paralyzed (Bondurant, 1958).

Yes - and I intend to do so....but to imply that you do not 'respect' or that others do not 'respect' the marchers is a horrible possession. You are not recognizing what a big risk it is for some people to even take to the streets. I take it you are not a Muslim immigrant with a shaky visa or a woman whose husband has tried to forbid her from attending peace events. Not a twenty year old trying to support her mother with cancer on minimum wage? Some people show a lot of courage in just speaking out and you need to support and encourage them.

I agree with your call to action - just not the subject line. We need to create a movement where all those opposed can participate and where people change the lifestyle and systems that demands and rewards war. Those who can practice in Civil Disobedience can do, we need workers to stop the war machine like the UK train workers, and we need everyone to supports them! There are roles for everyone in an escalating campaign of non-cooperation.

But you are right. As a society, we must practice non-compliance, non-cooperation – I just don’t think it is just not linked to respect the why you have set it up.


Other then that -------GREAT COMMENT! (If I didn’t really think so, I wouldn’t have bothered to engage you.)

Copyrighting anti-war march photos?
I hope you can make a profit off this.
Of course, you'll share the proceeds with
everyone who was at the march, I'm sure.
Say, what if I stole a photo, cropped out
the copyright info and put it on another
web site? Would your lawyers be able
to find me? I'm joking of course, the point
I'm making is very serious. bye bye

Hey nice photos.

I can't believe these comments people made though. They don't like the professionally printed signs... those signs are too "commercial" looking. And, "pacifists will only win respect when they start tearing the government down." Right... NOT!

Having just moved back to the Bay Area, I had forgotten just how idiotic much of the political dialogue is. The professional signs look great, and are much more effective in communicating the message than hand-painted ones on cardboard. And you might sell most Americans on stopping the war with Iraq but those same Americans are way too smart to embrace anarchist utopianism.

What causes these exercises in delusional political thinking to proliferate amongst the Bay Area left? Having just moved back from L.A., I will say this for the Southland. There is a strong progressive community there, and none of them that I know spend their time on these silly debates. Talk about living on the margins of the marginal.