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Pictures of Palestinians in the Occupied Territories and the 1948 Expulsions
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How can anyone in his right mind aim an m-16 assault rifle at school girls?
Palestinian doctors wheel a seriously wounded girl, Sawsan el Salaq, to the emergency room at Al-Najar hospital in Rafah southern Gaza Strip, Sunday Dec. 15, 2002. Seven houses were demolished and two teenage sisters seriously injured when tanks and bulldozers moved into the outskirts of Rafah, a few hundred meters (yards) from the Jewish settlement of Morag, southern Gaza Strip.
Two Palestinian teenagers hurl stones towards Israeli occupation army tanks during clashes in the Palestinian West Bank city of Nablus December 15, 2002.
A Palestinian schoolgirl falls while running to cross a street as Israeli occupation army tanks patrol the center of the Palestinian West Bank city of Nablus Sunday Dec. 15, 2002. Clashes between demonstrators and Israeli forces took place in this West Bank's largest city which has been under almost continuous curfew since mid-June when Israel reoccupied most the Palestinian West Bank towns.
Palestinian believers light candles in the Church of Nativity, Palestinian town of Bethlehem, the birthplace of Jesus Christ, December 15, 2002, after the Third advent mass before Christmas.
An Israeli occuption soldier holds out his arms as he prevents a group of Palestinian schoolgirls from passing through the central part of the Palestinian West Bank city of Hebron, December 14, 2002.
Family members of slain Palestinian Hassan Shalloula, who was killed by Israeli gunfire in the Gaza Strip city of Khan Younis, carry his body during his funeral, December 16, 2002. Israeli soldiers shot dead three Palestinians in the Gaza Strip on Monday.
Israeli soldiers in the Gaza Strip on Friday took over a Palestinian Red Crescent ambulance and used it to kill more Palestinians. According to eyewitnesses, five Israeli soldiers took over the ambulance, after they forced its team of paramedics to disembark at gunpoint, and then drove off into the village of Abasan Khan Younis, where they killed a number of unsuspecting Palestinians. The Palestinian daily Al-Ayyam reported on Friday that scores of civilians were killed and injured in the operation. The Israeli army began as of last week to target Palestinian ambulances and rescue teams in an effort to get as many wounded Palestinians as possible to die of their wounds. At least four Palestinian paramedics were killed and many injured by Israeli bullets during the past few days. In addition, two ambulance vehicles in Tulkarm were crushed by Israeli tanks which overran the several refugee camps in the West Bank.
Israeli flags fly in front of the Western Wall, Judaism's most holy site, as the Dome of the Rock mosque, located on the Temple Mount, revered by Muslims as the Haram as-Sharif (Noble Sanctuary), is seen in the background, Tuesday, Dec. 26 2000.
A Palestinian boy looks at an Israeli soldiers as he and his family are stopped as the soldiers block the main road to Jerusalem, north of Halhoul, November 30, 2001.
At a hospital in Tyre, an Arab mother comforts her infant child who had been badly burned during the Israeli massacre of Lebanese civilians at the U.N. compound at Qana, Lebanon, April 18, 1996.
Fatmeh Dakik, age 5 , had her leg blown off when the Israeli air force carpet-bombed downtown Beirut in the summer of 1982. The Israeli holocaust against Beirut involved the indiscriminate bombing of clearly marked schools, hospitals and old people's homes on orders from Menachem Begin, Ariel Sharon, Rafael Eitan and Yitzhak Shamir.
Sixteen month old Wa'el Hijazi, shot in the eye, Sept. 10, 1989 by an Israeli soldier who shot at the baby's mother while other soldiers beat the infant's 16year old brother. The mother said soldiers then shot at her older son when he tried to help her pick up the wounded child, laughed at her as she ran with her bleeding baby to a hospital, and in her absence broke into her house and forced her teenage daughters to clean up the trail of blood left by the bleeding child.
8 year old Lena Rizk was walking up the street holding up her identity card. Eight rubber bullets and thirty centimeters of intestine were removed from this child - what threat to the security of Israel could she have been?
Mansour Abu Sneineh lost both legs, his right hand and right eye when a passing Israeli patrol threw an anti-tank grenade at his house while he and his family were having lunch in Hebron, the West Bank, in November, 1989. His sister Sabah, 13, was also severely injured.
"A 14-year-old Palestinian boy Moayad Jawareesh, is carried away by paramedics after he was shot in the head in the West Bank city of Bethlehem October 16, 2000. Moayad died on the spot. he died carrying his school bag on his back, ..."
Palestinian policemen carry the body of their friend Mahmoud Nasser, 22, after he was killed by Israeli tank fire near the Erez crossing in the Gaza Strip.
Lebanese boy Mohammed Dowaik, 13, right, studies with his friend Hisham for the mid-finals in his house that was damaged by Israeli shelling in the past at the southern Lebanese village of Jarjoua in Iqlim al-Tuffah.
Anwar Munir Rhumi, 5, stands on the ledge of her bedroom window that faces the Israeli Jerusalem neighborhood of Gilo, next to the spot where a tank shell hit her home in the West Bank town of Beit Jalla Thursday
George Nazal, 3-years-old, sits in his bedroom window, which was hit by an Israeli rocket, in the West Bank town of Beit Jalla.
Palestinian school children peer out from the damaged wall of their kindergarten following an Israeli rocket attack on an adjacent factory in Jebalya, north of Gaza City, Monday, Feb. 11, 2002. Israeli warplanes and helicopters struck the main Palestinian security installation in Gaza City and what local residents said was a metal shop in the nearby Jebalya refugee camp. (AP Photo/Charles Dharapak)
An Israeli tank is parked next to a demolished Palestinian house during an incursion in el-Bourrej, south of Gaza City, Saturday, Feb. 16, 2002. Three Palestinians were killed in a gun battle with Israeli troops Saturday after Israeli tanks and bulldozers destroyed a Palestinian security post near a refugee camp, witnesses and hospital officials said.
Homeless children from Palestinian Wael al-Hassan's family sit January 16, 2002 on the remains of their home which was destroyed by Israeli troops last week in Rafah, south of the Gaza Strip. European diplomats and U.N. officials toured the area where Israeli had demolished up to 60 houses, leaving 93 families homeless.
A homeless Palestinian refugee child warms her hands by an outdoor fire in the rubble-strewn area where her home once stood, in Rafah in the southern Gaza Strip January 14, 2002, after Israeli bulldozers destroyed about 60 other homes last week. International aid and interest groups came to the rescue of the more than 90 homeless families.
Israeli soldiers tear down a water well and a Palestinian house.
A Palestinian boy holds bottles of water in front of a destroyed house in Khan Younis refugee camp, which suffers a shortage in water resources, December 26, 2001. Palestinian officials said at least 100 houses were destroyed by Israeli army forces during incursions into the self-ruled area of Khan Younis, home to 80,000 Palestinian refugees.
A Palestinian girl hangs out clothes in front of a hole made by an Israeli tank rocket in the Rafah district of the Gaza strip, near the Palestinian-Egyptian border December 19, 2000. At least 279 people, mostly Palestinians, have died in unrest which first erupted on September 28, 2000 after a visit by Israeli opposition leader Ariel Sharon to a Jerusalem site sacred to Jews and Muslims.
Eleven-year-old Palestinian boy Jehid Abu Shekhah is examined by doctors upon his arrival at the main hospital in Gaza November 15, 2000. Jehid was shot through the head with a high velocity bullet by Israeli snipers which caused a "brain contusion", the medical term for a crushed brain. Doctors said there was no more hope for Jehid and would die in the next 24 hours.
Norwegian consultant neuro surgeon Ostein Nygaard from the University of Trondheim (R) talks with the head of Gaza's main hospital neurosurgery unit Basel Becker during the brain operation on 11-year-old Palestinian boy Jehid Abu Shehmah November 15, 2000. Nygaard works with other Norwegian doctors as consultants to Palestinian brain surgeons and assists during operations in the hospital and in a field hospital. Jehid was shot through the head with a high velocity bullet by Israeli snipers which caused a " brain contusion."
A Palestinian school boy is carried into Shifa hospital in Gaza City after being wounded in an Israeli army missile attack on a security building in Gaza City Tuesday Dec. 4, 2001. The rockets, which targeted the Palestinian security installation, sent hundreds running for cover. One boy was killed and local doctors said more than 100 people were injured.
A Palestinian youth is carried to an ambulance after being shot in the head during clashes with Israeli soldiers guarding Gush Katif settlements near Khan Yunis in the southern part of the Gaza Strip
A Palestinian receives medical treatment on the floor of Shifa hospital in Gaza City, after being wounded in an Israeli army missile attack on a Preventitive Security building, in Gaza City Tuesday Dec. 4, 2001. The rockets, which targeted the Palestinian security installation, sent hundreds running for cover. One boy was killed and local doctors said more than 100 people were injured.
A wounded Palestinian is evacuated during clashes with Israeli forces in east Jerusalem's Old City, Friday, Dec. 8, 2000. Marking the anniversary of their first uprising against Israel, Palestinians pouring out of mosques after Ramadan prayers threw rocks in the West Bank and Jerusalem.
Doctors tend to a Palestinian boy who was wounded in the head during clashes with Israeli forces, November 17, 2000, near the West Bank town of Hebron.
A Palestinian youth, injured during clashes with Israeli soldiers, is carried into an ambulance November 17, 2000 in the West Bank town of Ramallah.
A Palestinian man is rushed to an ambulance after Israeli soldiers shot him with a rubber bullet in Ramallah on October 27, 2000.
Palestinians carry an injured man during clashes between Paletinian stone throwers and Israeli soldiers at a Israeli post, at the entrance of Israeli Netzarim settlement crossing in southern Gaza City
A Palestinian cleans blood from a gravestone in a cemetery heavily damaged in an Israeli army missile attack on a nearby Preventitive Security building in Gaza City, Tuesday, Dec. 4, 2001. The blood was from a boy who was killed in the attack. An Israeli F-16 fighter plane fired rockets at the security compound in a residential neighborhood of Gaza City, killing two people, injuring more than 100 and sending screaming school children running for cover.
Undercover masked Israeli security forces detain a Palestinian man, center,during clashes in the east Jerusalem neighborhood of Jabel MukaberWednesday, Oct. 4, 2000. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and Palestinianleader Yasser Arafat traveled to Paris Wednesday for U.S.-arranged talksaimed at halting the carnage in the Mideast. (AP Photo/Eyal Warshavsky)
An undercover Israeli security man beats a Palestinian during clashes in the east Jerusalem neighborhood of Jabel Mukaber Wednesday, Oct. 4, 2000. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat traveled to Paris Wednesday for U.S. arranged talks aimed at halting the carnage in the Mideast. (AP Photo/Eyal Warshavsky)
An undercover masked Israeli security man detains a Palestinian boy, duringclashes in the East Jerusalem neighborhood of Jabel Mukaber Wednesday, Oct.4, 2000. Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Barak and Palestinian leader YasserArafat traveled to Paris Wednesday for U.S. arranged talks aimed at haltingthe carnage in the Mideast. (AP Photo/Eyal Warshavsky)
An Israeli undercover police officer punches a Palestinian stone thrower as another policeman holds him during his arrest, during clashes in east Jerusalem's Old City following noon prayers Friday Dec. 22, 2000. (AP Photo/Lefteris Pitarakis)
Israeli police arrest a Palestinian suspect during clashes in east Jerusalem's Old City after Friday prayers, Dec. 15, 2000. (AP Photo/Peter Dejong)
An Israeli soldier holds a Palestinian boy at a checkpoint in the West Bank town of Qalandia, north of Ramallah December 3, 2001.
An Israeli soldier pushes a Palestinian boy at a checkpoint in the West Bank town of Qalandia, north of Ramallah December 3, 2001.
A Palestinian, with his shirt torn off, is arrested by Israeli border policemen during clashes in Jerusalem's Old City.
1948
Arab refugees stream from what was then Palestine on the road to Lebanon in northern Israel to flee fighting in the Galilee region in the Arab-Israeli war on Nov.4,1948. Palestinians exiled in 1948 and Jews exiled after the Romans sacked the Jewish Temple in A.D.70, both suffer from ancient wounds that obstruct the Mideast peace process.(AP Photo)
Barricaded out of their own homes by the invading Zionist forces. A Palestinian woman drapes cloth over herself to escape the heat. 1948.
The old city of Jerusalem in flames following a battle during the 1948 war.
A family of refugees in Lebanon, 1959. ~UNRWA photo.
Tent camp in Jordan in 1967. ~UNRWA photo
UNRWA emergency camp in Baqa'a Jordan, which housed more than 40,000 refugees, in 1970. ~UNRWA photo.
Kufr Qadum, West Bank. Palestinians in the occupied territories risk arrest or worse if they try to exercise their democratic tight to free speech. Here an Israeli soldier takes aim at Palestinians demonstrating against Israeli confiscation of their land.
Palestinians who remained in Israel after the wars found themselves subject to discrimination and military law. The demonstrator's banner reads, " No to Racism, Yes to Equality" ~Dave Clark
During the occupation, Israeli soldiers routinely imposed curfews on Palestinian towns and villages. They literally became prisoners in their own homes.
Palestinian refugees fleeing across the Jordan river in 1967. ~UNRWA photo
Dheisheh refugee camp, West Bank. The refugee issue is one of the most divisive in the Palestinian - Israeli conflict. Israel insists that the Palestinians who fled the wars cannot return, while the Palestinians maintain their right to return to their own homes. the tent camps of 1948, and 1967 have given way to more sheltered, but still temporary huts.
The Intifada, or Palestinian popular uprising against the occupation was met by Yitzhak Rabin's policy of " Iron Fist" treatment -- long before the peace agreements signed in Washington. Nearly every family had at least one member in prison, wounded or killed by the Israel Defense Forces, who countered the children's stones with deadly force.
East Jerusalem, Palestinians gather to mourn the death of one of the many killed during the Intifada. Not a single family escaped the suffering and grief endured by Palestinians during the uprising.
Gaza, A young man being taken away by Israeli soldiers
Two young boys in front of their home, which was demolished for lack of an Israeli-issued building permit.
An explosion is seen in the building which houses the Palestinian Public Security Directorate as it takes a hit from a missile fired from an Israeli F-16 fighter jet in Gaza City, Monday, Feb. 11, 2002. Israeli helicopters and warplanes used missiles as they continued a second day of strikes in Gaza. (AP Photo / Charles Dharapak)
An Israeli policeman struggles with a Palestinian who was denied entry to Al-Aqsa Mosque in East Jerusalem August 3, 2001. Ranks of Israeli police were deployed in Jerusalem to prepare for possible clashes at an Old City holy site where a Palestinian uprising erupted 10 months ago. (Mahfouz Abu Turk/Reuters)
Israeli artillery rounds explode on houses in the West Bank town of Beit Jala December 4, 2000. Two Palestinians were wounded in the town when Israeli troops fired heavy machineguns, hospital officials said. An Israeli commander said the army was responding to Palestinian gunfire at an Israeli army position in Gilo, a Jewish settlement built on West Bank land occupied in the 1967 Middle East war but annexed along with Arab East Jerusalem. REUTERS/Desmond Boylan
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I cried. May Jesus Christ, the only hope for peace, reign in all hearts. Keep doing the good work of showing these pictures. My heart is with all the people of Palestine, especially the children. God help the children. Pray for the "Isrealis" that they will be converted to Christ. Pray for the Palestinians for the same thing. Jesus come quickly, and tarry not.
I will answer my own rhetorical question, the answer is when there is a transfer{ETHNIC CLEANSING} which is a {WAR CRIME}of the Palestinian peoples to Jordon.Which will start sometime after the U.S plunders Iraq.DISGUSTINGLY OUTRAGEOUS!
When will it stop, Greg?
It is plain and simple. As long as conflict exists between Arabs and Israelis, there are going to be deaths on both sides.
Both sides!
It is futile pointing to this suicide bombing victim, or that victim of the Israeli Defence Forces as evidence of the inherent mailice of one side or another.
Neither the Arabs nor the Israelis are going to disappear, despite the ernest wishes of the more extreme Israelis - or the more extreme Palestinians
There has to be a dialogue or else the killing will go on forever.
The Israelis can not in any meaningful or realistic sense expect the Arabs to simply evaporate into thin air.
Nor vice versa
And palpably racist-nihilist organisations like Hizbolla and Hamas merely bring perdition down on the very people they purport to be 'defending'.
It is stupid to pretend that such groups are anything but extremist organisations with the clearly avowed objective of killing a many Jews as they can get their hands on.
The Palestinians are the meat in the sandwhich here. The cynical might even suggest that the more the Palestinians are kicked around, the more it suits extremists of every stripe.
And the idea that governments in the region - ANY of the governments there - are concerned with the welfare of Palestinians is ridiculous.
One only has to look at how the Palestinians were treated in Jordan.
Or how other ethnic and religious minorities are treated in other Arabic countries, to realise that the regional governments are hardly concerned with settling these issues on the basis of tolerance and respect for others.
There are those who cry real tears for the Palestinians,
Then there are those who spill their crocodile tears for the Palestinians - but who are as quiet as the grave about the plight of every other mistreated group in the region.
Look how the governments of Iraq and Iran bemoan the fate of the Palestinians - and rejoice in killing each other all the while.
How the Egyptians despair for the Palestinians - and oppress the Copts.
Not to mention the contributors to this site whose only concern for the Palestinians is the opportunity they provide to vindictively admonish Jews.
I am struck by the depth of denial in the whole 'debate' about the middle east....
It is plain and simple. As long as conflict exists between Arabs and Israelis, there are going to be deaths on both sides.
Both sides!
It is futile pointing to this suicide bombing victim, or that victim of the Israeli Defence Forces as evidence of the inherent mailice of one side or another.
Neither the Arabs nor the Israelis are going to disappear, despite the ernest wishes of the more extreme Israelis - or the more extreme Palestinians
There has to be a dialogue or else the killing will go on forever.
The Israelis can not in any meaningful or realistic sense expect the Arabs to simply evaporate into thin air.
Nor vice versa
And palpably racist-nihilist organisations like Hizbolla and Hamas merely bring perdition down on the very people they purport to be 'defending'.
It is stupid to pretend that such groups are anything but extremist organisations with the clearly avowed objective of killing a many Jews as they can get their hands on.
The Palestinians are the meat in the sandwhich here. The cynical might even suggest that the more the Palestinians are kicked around, the more it suits extremists of every stripe.
And the idea that governments in the region - ANY of the governments there - are concerned with the welfare of Palestinians is ridiculous.
One only has to look at how the Palestinians were treated in Jordan.
Or how other ethnic and religious minorities are treated in other Arabic countries, to realise that the regional governments are hardly concerned with settling these issues on the basis of tolerance and respect for others.
There are those who cry real tears for the Palestinians,
Then there are those who spill their crocodile tears for the Palestinians - but who are as quiet as the grave about the plight of every other mistreated group in the region.
Look how the governments of Iraq and Iran bemoan the fate of the Palestinians - and rejoice in killing each other all the while.
How the Egyptians despair for the Palestinians - and oppress the Copts.
Not to mention the contributors to this site whose only concern for the Palestinians is the opportunity they provide to vindictively admonish Jews.
I am struck by the depth of denial in the whole 'debate' about the middle east....
When will it end?
It will end when the arab countries and people will advance to the 21st century,embracing freedom and
democracy.All arab countries are dictatorships,corrupt,and exploiting their citicens.
With the enormous amount of money they earn from oil they could have easily settled the 400.000 Arabs who left Israel in 1948 against the advice of Israel to
stay.The ones who stayed have today a higher livingstandard then exists in any arab country.
Where are the pictures of what the arab terrorists did to the Israeli children in schools,discotheks,supermarkets,civilian buses,open
markets,etc.?
when Israel was reestablished in 1948 all surrounding arab states invaded it and did not accept
the U.N. decision to recreate Israel.Since then they started several wars and lost them all.Terror will bring
the arabs nothing.Israel will exist and will not submit
to terror.They will trace the terrorists and kill them and distroy their houses,until the arab population realises
that the clique of Arafat brings them only misery.
It will end when the arab countries and people will advance to the 21st century,embracing freedom and
democracy.All arab countries are dictatorships,corrupt,and exploiting their citicens.
With the enormous amount of money they earn from oil they could have easily settled the 400.000 Arabs who left Israel in 1948 against the advice of Israel to
stay.The ones who stayed have today a higher livingstandard then exists in any arab country.
Where are the pictures of what the arab terrorists did to the Israeli children in schools,discotheks,supermarkets,civilian buses,open
markets,etc.?
when Israel was reestablished in 1948 all surrounding arab states invaded it and did not accept
the U.N. decision to recreate Israel.Since then they started several wars and lost them all.Terror will bring
the arabs nothing.Israel will exist and will not submit
to terror.They will trace the terrorists and kill them and distroy their houses,until the arab population realises
that the clique of Arafat brings them only misery.
--"It will end when the arab countries and people will advance to the 21st century,embracing freedom and
democracy."
All the Arab Nations gave Israel a chance at peace at the latest Arab League meeting last March. They extended normal relations and peace if Israel would leave the remaining 22% of Palestinian land to Palestinians. Israel rejected this because they are intent on grabbing up all the rest of the land. In fact, Ariel Sharon went so far as to say their offers of peace meant "the destruction of Israel." So let there be no doubt at this point who is prolonging and driving this conflict to continue.
BTW, in 1948 Israel expelled 750,000 Palestinians from their homes using massacres in dozens of villages to drive them out (Deir Yassin being only a single example).
In 1967, there was another set of expulsions in which Israel brutally expelled another 300,000.
The fact of the matter is, Israel has always forced this conflict upon the Palestinians. The Israelis came to a land and started stealing the homes of the native inhabitants who never did a thing to these people. If someone stabs you in the back to try to rob you, and you try to fight back, who is responsible for any ensuing violence.
democracy."
All the Arab Nations gave Israel a chance at peace at the latest Arab League meeting last March. They extended normal relations and peace if Israel would leave the remaining 22% of Palestinian land to Palestinians. Israel rejected this because they are intent on grabbing up all the rest of the land. In fact, Ariel Sharon went so far as to say their offers of peace meant "the destruction of Israel." So let there be no doubt at this point who is prolonging and driving this conflict to continue.
BTW, in 1948 Israel expelled 750,000 Palestinians from their homes using massacres in dozens of villages to drive them out (Deir Yassin being only a single example).
In 1967, there was another set of expulsions in which Israel brutally expelled another 300,000.
The fact of the matter is, Israel has always forced this conflict upon the Palestinians. The Israelis came to a land and started stealing the homes of the native inhabitants who never did a thing to these people. If someone stabs you in the back to try to rob you, and you try to fight back, who is responsible for any ensuing violence.
It will end when the American people rise up and say no more aid to racist Israel despite all the propaganda and lies they are fed on the media. We are currently being forced to support terrorism (Israeli terrorism) and Israel is free to get away with anything with Washington's support of even the most egregious atrocities -- we usually respond to Israeli massacres against Palestinian/Lebanese civilians by sending them more weapons with which to commit more massacres.
The reason this conflict has gone on so long without end is that the American people have been duped into believing that the aggressors in this conflict are the victims and have been forced to put the enormous weight of US might squarely behind the Zionist enterprise of building a Jewish homeland on top of the Palestinian homeland. What are we benefitting from this exactly other than the righteous anger and indignation from a good portion of the rest of the world.
The reason this conflict has gone on so long without end is that the American people have been duped into believing that the aggressors in this conflict are the victims and have been forced to put the enormous weight of US might squarely behind the Zionist enterprise of building a Jewish homeland on top of the Palestinian homeland. What are we benefitting from this exactly other than the righteous anger and indignation from a good portion of the rest of the world.
Occupation," "occupiers," "occupied land": these words are the Palestinians' refrain, repeated incessantly by Palestinian propagandists as justification for their killing of Israeli women, children, old folks, recruits, as well as many visitors to Israel. I think it's time to get it straight, once and for all, about this whole notion of occupation, about who are the occupiers of the land of Israel and the West Bank (more correctly called Judea and Samaria), and who are the occupied.
For a start, it is Jews who are the extant aboriginal people of the territory that includes Israel, Judea and Samaria, and some of present-day Jordan. And it is the Arabs who are the invaders, conquerors and occupiers.
There were Canaanites who inhabited the land before the Jews settled there, but they are long gone. Amazingly, the Jewish people didn't vanish, despite Jew-hatred, pogroms, and massacres of Jews recurring through history. What defines Jewish indigenousness is the consistency of modern Jews with their ancestors of thousands of years ago. They live in a country with the same name as that which existed in 1312 B.C.E. Today's Israelis speak the same language that was spoken by Jews in that land more than 3000 years ago. They chant from the same Bible their ancestors used millennia past. Their Jewish law presently is derived from that found in their Talmud. Their Temple, which was destroyed twice, by invaders, can be archaeologically located in its original site in Jerusalem. And Jerusalem was founded by their biblical King David, which still stands as the centre of Jewish sovereignty, as it did when King David ruled the Jews. In reality, the Jewish people established a distinct civilization in their ancient homeland 3700 years ago, and the roots of that civilization is still much of the source of Jewish life in Israel.
On the other hand, there were no Moslems until 2000 years after Jews had already settled in Israel, because Islam was the religion that Mohammed founded (he died in 632 BCE). And Arabs, who are the ethnic peoples out of the Arabian peninsula, hadn't come to the region through their conquests until after Mohammed's death. No independent Arab or Palestinian state has ever existed in the region, which the Romans renamed Palaestina in the second century, after crushing the last Jewish revolt. When the Arabs did conquer and occupy parts of the land, they did so as occupiers of previously settled territories by Jews.
Well, never mind about ancient history and claims, some might say, what rights have modern Jews to land that had been owned and settled by Arabs, who were recently expelled by Jewish conquest? But here we have yet another set of falsehoods emanating out of a number of misguided assumptions.
First, it is not true that Jewish life was abolished by a series of conquerors - Roman, Arab, Crusaders - over the centuries. Jews retained and rebuilt communities in Jerusalem, Tiberius, Rafah, Gaza, Ashkelon, Jaffa, Caesarea, Safed and elsewhere. Years before the Zionist migrations began in the 1870s, Jews lived continuously over time throughout the land of Israel.
Secondly, if one looks at the period when Jews began to immigrate to the region in large numbers in 1882, there were fewer than 250,000 Arabs living in the region, and the majority of these had arrived in recent decades. According to many observers and authorities, the vast majority of the Arab population in the early decades of the twentieth century was comparative newcomers, either late immigrants or descendants of persons who had immigrated into the territory in the previous seventy years. The name Palestine, a throwback to Roman usage, was adopted by the British during their period of mandated authority, in an attempt to blunt the connection of Jews with the land that was historical Israel.
Thirdly, the lands that are usually characterized by the media and other observers as "occupied," that is, those in the West Bank and Gaza, are in no legal sense occupied by Israelis, no more nor less than they are occupied by Palestinians. For example, those residents of the new Palestinian cities (in no sense are they camps), that now house four generations of so-called Palestinian refugees, could be branded as occupiers on the same basis that new Jewish settlements in the West Bank are so designated. The reality is that the West Bank and Gaza lands are unassigned lands, not awarded by the British as they had done with their creation of Jordan and Iraq post-WWI, nor designated by the United Nations which had offered these lands and more to the Palestinians in 1947 (UN Resolution 181, "Partition"), but which the Palestinians rejected.
Fourth, when Palestinians accuse Israel of being "occupiers" of the West Bank and Gaza land, let's examine how these territories came under the control of Israel. It is the direct result of Arab attacks on Israel in 1967: Israel not only repulsed the attacks but managed to overtake areas from which the attacks emanated. To make a comparison, Germany lost a large territory to Poland after the Germans were defeated in World War II, and yet no one now claims that Poland is occupying German land. Israel's position vis-a-vis these conquered lands is consistent with the historical record everywhere, including Canada in relation to Quebec.
Finally, we need to understand the Palestinians' own words and claims. They make no bones about the fact that what they regard as Israeli "occupation" is not merely that of the West Bank and Gaza, but that of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem as well. If one wants to look at the "root cause" of a conflict that is by now more than half a century old, it is the refusal by Palestinians and Arabs generally to accept not only the reality of the existence of a Jewish state, which is difficult to deny, but to recognize the legitimacy of Israel as the Jewish homeland. If, and only if, the Arabs finally come to recognize Jewish peoplehood, which includes Jews' right to live as a people among the nations of peoples, will peace be possible between Jews and Arabs.
For a start, it is Jews who are the extant aboriginal people of the territory that includes Israel, Judea and Samaria, and some of present-day Jordan. And it is the Arabs who are the invaders, conquerors and occupiers.
There were Canaanites who inhabited the land before the Jews settled there, but they are long gone. Amazingly, the Jewish people didn't vanish, despite Jew-hatred, pogroms, and massacres of Jews recurring through history. What defines Jewish indigenousness is the consistency of modern Jews with their ancestors of thousands of years ago. They live in a country with the same name as that which existed in 1312 B.C.E. Today's Israelis speak the same language that was spoken by Jews in that land more than 3000 years ago. They chant from the same Bible their ancestors used millennia past. Their Jewish law presently is derived from that found in their Talmud. Their Temple, which was destroyed twice, by invaders, can be archaeologically located in its original site in Jerusalem. And Jerusalem was founded by their biblical King David, which still stands as the centre of Jewish sovereignty, as it did when King David ruled the Jews. In reality, the Jewish people established a distinct civilization in their ancient homeland 3700 years ago, and the roots of that civilization is still much of the source of Jewish life in Israel.
On the other hand, there were no Moslems until 2000 years after Jews had already settled in Israel, because Islam was the religion that Mohammed founded (he died in 632 BCE). And Arabs, who are the ethnic peoples out of the Arabian peninsula, hadn't come to the region through their conquests until after Mohammed's death. No independent Arab or Palestinian state has ever existed in the region, which the Romans renamed Palaestina in the second century, after crushing the last Jewish revolt. When the Arabs did conquer and occupy parts of the land, they did so as occupiers of previously settled territories by Jews.
Well, never mind about ancient history and claims, some might say, what rights have modern Jews to land that had been owned and settled by Arabs, who were recently expelled by Jewish conquest? But here we have yet another set of falsehoods emanating out of a number of misguided assumptions.
First, it is not true that Jewish life was abolished by a series of conquerors - Roman, Arab, Crusaders - over the centuries. Jews retained and rebuilt communities in Jerusalem, Tiberius, Rafah, Gaza, Ashkelon, Jaffa, Caesarea, Safed and elsewhere. Years before the Zionist migrations began in the 1870s, Jews lived continuously over time throughout the land of Israel.
Secondly, if one looks at the period when Jews began to immigrate to the region in large numbers in 1882, there were fewer than 250,000 Arabs living in the region, and the majority of these had arrived in recent decades. According to many observers and authorities, the vast majority of the Arab population in the early decades of the twentieth century was comparative newcomers, either late immigrants or descendants of persons who had immigrated into the territory in the previous seventy years. The name Palestine, a throwback to Roman usage, was adopted by the British during their period of mandated authority, in an attempt to blunt the connection of Jews with the land that was historical Israel.
Thirdly, the lands that are usually characterized by the media and other observers as "occupied," that is, those in the West Bank and Gaza, are in no legal sense occupied by Israelis, no more nor less than they are occupied by Palestinians. For example, those residents of the new Palestinian cities (in no sense are they camps), that now house four generations of so-called Palestinian refugees, could be branded as occupiers on the same basis that new Jewish settlements in the West Bank are so designated. The reality is that the West Bank and Gaza lands are unassigned lands, not awarded by the British as they had done with their creation of Jordan and Iraq post-WWI, nor designated by the United Nations which had offered these lands and more to the Palestinians in 1947 (UN Resolution 181, "Partition"), but which the Palestinians rejected.
Fourth, when Palestinians accuse Israel of being "occupiers" of the West Bank and Gaza land, let's examine how these territories came under the control of Israel. It is the direct result of Arab attacks on Israel in 1967: Israel not only repulsed the attacks but managed to overtake areas from which the attacks emanated. To make a comparison, Germany lost a large territory to Poland after the Germans were defeated in World War II, and yet no one now claims that Poland is occupying German land. Israel's position vis-a-vis these conquered lands is consistent with the historical record everywhere, including Canada in relation to Quebec.
Finally, we need to understand the Palestinians' own words and claims. They make no bones about the fact that what they regard as Israeli "occupation" is not merely that of the West Bank and Gaza, but that of Tel Aviv and Jerusalem as well. If one wants to look at the "root cause" of a conflict that is by now more than half a century old, it is the refusal by Palestinians and Arabs generally to accept not only the reality of the existence of a Jewish state, which is difficult to deny, but to recognize the legitimacy of Israel as the Jewish homeland. If, and only if, the Arabs finally come to recognize Jewish peoplehood, which includes Jews' right to live as a people among the nations of peoples, will peace be possible between Jews and Arabs.
--"For a start, it is Jews who are the extant aboriginal people of the territory that includes Israel, Judea and Samaria, and some of present-day Jordan. And it is the Arabs who are the invaders, conquerors and occupiers."
This is of course more Israeli lies designed to turn the truth and reality upside down.
The truth is the indigenous peoples who have lived there for thousands of years are the Palestinians. European Jews never lived in those lands. The ancestors of todays Christian and Muslim Palestinians were Jews who converted to Christianity and Islam.
Israelis propagandize incessantly on behalf of their beloved country but that doesn't mean we should by their crap and keep paying out the nose for Israel.
This is of course more Israeli lies designed to turn the truth and reality upside down.
The truth is the indigenous peoples who have lived there for thousands of years are the Palestinians. European Jews never lived in those lands. The ancestors of todays Christian and Muslim Palestinians were Jews who converted to Christianity and Islam.
Israelis propagandize incessantly on behalf of their beloved country but that doesn't mean we should by their crap and keep paying out the nose for Israel.
sharon, likud, right wing, militant settlers, hardline IDF generals = hamas, hezbollah, islamic jihad, al-aqsa martyrs brigade, militant palestinians.
hamas, hezbollah, islamic jihad, al-aqsa martyrs brigade, militant palestinians = sharon, likud, right wing, militant settlers, hardline IDF generals.
the occupation of palestine = the suicide bombings of israelis.
the suicide bombings of israelis = the occupation of palestine.
ONE SIDE WRONG = OTHER SIDE JUST AS WRONG.
FAILED POLICY = FAILED POLICY
for occupation to succeed = the extermination and ethnic cleansing of all palestinians.
for suicide bombing to succeed = the extermination and ethnic cleansing of all israelis.
FAILED POLICY = FAILED POLICY.
FAILED POLICY = FAILED POLICY.
hamas, hezbollah, islamic jihad, al-aqsa martyrs brigade, militant palestinians = sharon, likud, right wing, militant settlers, hardline IDF generals.
the occupation of palestine = the suicide bombings of israelis.
the suicide bombings of israelis = the occupation of palestine.
ONE SIDE WRONG = OTHER SIDE JUST AS WRONG.
FAILED POLICY = FAILED POLICY
for occupation to succeed = the extermination and ethnic cleansing of all palestinians.
for suicide bombing to succeed = the extermination and ethnic cleansing of all israelis.
FAILED POLICY = FAILED POLICY.
FAILED POLICY = FAILED POLICY.
keep those blinder on, but you really should study history. The jews were there from the beginning of time . They didn't just magicly appear there from Europe. Perhaps you should read that article again.
I can post hundreds of pictures of the brutality of palistinian terrorists and what they have done to thousands of woman and children, all of which are quite bloody and horrifying. But if I did, this page would take hours to load. The truth is, the jews were always in israel, and have survived countless raids over the centuries. pali's were never indigionous to any arab lands, they were nomadic, and have been kicked out of all arab states, including jordan for their thieving ways. maybe if they would have accepted a pali state in the first place, they would have a home, but the truth is, they want all of israel, which they will never get.
here's another 1000$ sharon, keep on fighting!!
here's another 1000$ sharon, keep on fighting!!
--"They didn't just magicly appear there from Europe."
That's true. But only because you said "magicly." They did come from Europe on ships though.
Israel's atrocities occur daily. There usually is some sort of unilateral cease fire in place on the Palestinian side which the mainstream media ignores while Palestinians are being gunned down with US made weapons.
Once in a blue moon, Palestinians play into Sharon's hands by setting off a bomb to kill innocents. Then the US media goes into a frenzy to demonize them with talk of a "break in the relative quiet" -- meaning "only" Palestinians being killed -- and endlessly repeating the Israeli casualties on television.
Moreover, even Palestinian legitimate resistance against Occupation forces (meaning heavily armed Israeli troops and tanks) is always called terrorism here in the US. FAIR.org did a study which showed that when Palestinian children were killed they were far less likely to be mentioned in the media while Palestinian militants who were killed were far more likely to be mentioned. By the same token, Israeli civilians who are killed are far more likely to be mentioned than soldiers -- part of that probably has to do with the fact that even armed Israeli soldiers are referred to as civilians in our media.
I, you and every other American supports Israel whether we like it or not. If you want to be neutral as an American, you can't -- our government supports Israel in our names and therefore the blood Israel spills in their race war is on our hands.
At the minimum, we need to be neutral in this conflict -- by not aiding Israel in its territorial expansion. More than that, we need to support the civilian population of the Occupied Territories against Israel's open and blatant policy of ethnic cleansing. Who doubts that if our government acted fairly and with sincerity in that region, the threat of terrorism would be deflated overnight.
I don't mind if the US media shows Israeli suffering. In fact what I would say is put all the suffering on the television including Palestinian suffering. If that were done, you'd have a steady stream of daily atrocities against Palestinians coming across the TV set which is now being suppressed. And then you'd have the occasional bombing in reprisal by the Palestinians (once every 4 to 6 weeks). You might also see poorly equipped Palestinian resistance battling Israeli troops once in a while.
Instead, the media ignores the daily assault on Palestinians and then out of the blue shows atrocities against Israelis. Who could blame anyone who watches this from thinking the Palestinians must be monsters. In fact, a study was done that shows most Americans believe that more Israelis have died in this conflict than Palestinians -- which is of course absurd but it shows how badly skewed reality has become. I have no doubt that if the media were fair, the average US citizen would not be so enthused about paying Israel's bills.
That's true. But only because you said "magicly." They did come from Europe on ships though.
Israel's atrocities occur daily. There usually is some sort of unilateral cease fire in place on the Palestinian side which the mainstream media ignores while Palestinians are being gunned down with US made weapons.
Once in a blue moon, Palestinians play into Sharon's hands by setting off a bomb to kill innocents. Then the US media goes into a frenzy to demonize them with talk of a "break in the relative quiet" -- meaning "only" Palestinians being killed -- and endlessly repeating the Israeli casualties on television.
Moreover, even Palestinian legitimate resistance against Occupation forces (meaning heavily armed Israeli troops and tanks) is always called terrorism here in the US. FAIR.org did a study which showed that when Palestinian children were killed they were far less likely to be mentioned in the media while Palestinian militants who were killed were far more likely to be mentioned. By the same token, Israeli civilians who are killed are far more likely to be mentioned than soldiers -- part of that probably has to do with the fact that even armed Israeli soldiers are referred to as civilians in our media.
I, you and every other American supports Israel whether we like it or not. If you want to be neutral as an American, you can't -- our government supports Israel in our names and therefore the blood Israel spills in their race war is on our hands.
At the minimum, we need to be neutral in this conflict -- by not aiding Israel in its territorial expansion. More than that, we need to support the civilian population of the Occupied Territories against Israel's open and blatant policy of ethnic cleansing. Who doubts that if our government acted fairly and with sincerity in that region, the threat of terrorism would be deflated overnight.
I don't mind if the US media shows Israeli suffering. In fact what I would say is put all the suffering on the television including Palestinian suffering. If that were done, you'd have a steady stream of daily atrocities against Palestinians coming across the TV set which is now being suppressed. And then you'd have the occasional bombing in reprisal by the Palestinians (once every 4 to 6 weeks). You might also see poorly equipped Palestinian resistance battling Israeli troops once in a while.
Instead, the media ignores the daily assault on Palestinians and then out of the blue shows atrocities against Israelis. Who could blame anyone who watches this from thinking the Palestinians must be monsters. In fact, a study was done that shows most Americans believe that more Israelis have died in this conflict than Palestinians -- which is of course absurd but it shows how badly skewed reality has become. I have no doubt that if the media were fair, the average US citizen would not be so enthused about paying Israel's bills.
maybe you should look at both sides of the story, do you hear about the daily sniper activities by those pease loving muslim arab palis? I don't think so. http://cdn-friends-icej.ca/previous.html
The fact is, the so called "palistinians have killed way more innocent women and children, and there is a reason, They (islam arabs) do not want israel there period, in fact, they want total genocide of jews from the region. This is nothing new. I defend the right of israel to exist, and actions they need to take against nut cases who only wish to kill all jews. hesbollah is now a reconnized terrorist group, with close ties to alqada. Your anti jew thing won't work with me, even though I'm not a jew. I know too much history to be fooled by such claims as palistinians being denied homeland. It was offered time and time again. It's not the agenda, so don't try water it down by saying it is. In fact, a pali spokesperson said exactly that, "They aren't intrested in a state, the want the jews out, and a palisinian state is just another tool to use".
So, if this is what the palistinian say, and they raise their children to hate, don't expect any sympathy from me, They cause their own deaths, Israel does have a right to exist, and a right to obtain security of their state. If that means blasting all the terrorists off the land, so be it. America would do the same if it was being continuosly attacked, as well as any other country.
The fact is, the so called "palistinians have killed way more innocent women and children, and there is a reason, They (islam arabs) do not want israel there period, in fact, they want total genocide of jews from the region. This is nothing new. I defend the right of israel to exist, and actions they need to take against nut cases who only wish to kill all jews. hesbollah is now a reconnized terrorist group, with close ties to alqada. Your anti jew thing won't work with me, even though I'm not a jew. I know too much history to be fooled by such claims as palistinians being denied homeland. It was offered time and time again. It's not the agenda, so don't try water it down by saying it is. In fact, a pali spokesperson said exactly that, "They aren't intrested in a state, the want the jews out, and a palisinian state is just another tool to use".
So, if this is what the palistinian say, and they raise their children to hate, don't expect any sympathy from me, They cause their own deaths, Israel does have a right to exist, and a right to obtain security of their state. If that means blasting all the terrorists off the land, so be it. America would do the same if it was being continuosly attacked, as well as any other country.
Mr. Parsons in my comment I illustrated exactly what will happen to the Palestinians and I beleive this will be completed within the next five years.
Do you honestly believe these illegally built "settlements" were constructed with the intention of being dismantled once a peace agreement is reached?
So I am in denial am I, you sound like a hippy right out of a John Lennon song.Dialogue is a cute word to use here since it has not worked for over 50 years. A FORCED SETTLEMENT by the security council is needed with international troops to enforce it.
If I wanted to exploit the situation,since I am picking on the Jews{GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE} so you say,this Goy{CATTLE,what am I supposed to say moo or something} can tell you for a fact that Israel uses Canadian passports given to them by Canadian Jews for internationl assasanations.That is HIGH TREASON.
Do you honestly believe these illegally built "settlements" were constructed with the intention of being dismantled once a peace agreement is reached?
So I am in denial am I, you sound like a hippy right out of a John Lennon song.Dialogue is a cute word to use here since it has not worked for over 50 years. A FORCED SETTLEMENT by the security council is needed with international troops to enforce it.
If I wanted to exploit the situation,since I am picking on the Jews{GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE} so you say,this Goy{CATTLE,what am I supposed to say moo or something} can tell you for a fact that Israel uses Canadian passports given to them by Canadian Jews for internationl assasanations.That is HIGH TREASON.
Mr. Parsons in my comment I illustrated exactly what will happen to the Palestinians and I beleive this will be completed within the next five years.
Do you honestly believe these illegally built "settlements" were constructed with the intention of being dismantled once a peace agreement is reached?
So I am in denial am I, you sound like a hippy right out of a John Lennon song.Dialogue is a cute word to use here since it has not worked for over 50 years. A FORCED SETTLEMENT by the security council is needed with international troops to enforce it.
If I wanted to exploit the situation,since I am picking on the Jews{GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE} so you say,this Goy{CATTLE,what am I supposed to say moo or something} can tell you for a fact that Israel uses Canadian passports given to them by Canadian Jews for internationl assasanations.That is HIGH TREASON.
Do you honestly believe these illegally built "settlements" were constructed with the intention of being dismantled once a peace agreement is reached?
So I am in denial am I, you sound like a hippy right out of a John Lennon song.Dialogue is a cute word to use here since it has not worked for over 50 years. A FORCED SETTLEMENT by the security council is needed with international troops to enforce it.
If I wanted to exploit the situation,since I am picking on the Jews{GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE} so you say,this Goy{CATTLE,what am I supposed to say moo or something} can tell you for a fact that Israel uses Canadian passports given to them by Canadian Jews for internationl assasanations.That is HIGH TREASON.
Mr. Parsons in my comment I illustrated exactly what will happen to the Palestinians and I beleive this will be completed within the next five years.
Do you honestly believe these illegally built "settlements" were constructed with the intention of being dismantled once a peace agreement is reached?
So I am in denial am I, you sound like a hippy right out of a John Lennon song.Dialogue is a cute word to use here since it has not worked for over 50 years. A FORCED SETTLEMENT by the security council is needed with international troops to enforce it.
If I wanted to exploit the situation,since I am picking on the Jews{GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE} so you say,this Goy{CATTLE,what am I supposed to say moo or something} can tell you for a fact that Israel uses Canadian passports given to them by Canadian Jews for internationl assasanations.That is HIGH TREASON.
Do you honestly believe these illegally built "settlements" were constructed with the intention of being dismantled once a peace agreement is reached?
So I am in denial am I, you sound like a hippy right out of a John Lennon song.Dialogue is a cute word to use here since it has not worked for over 50 years. A FORCED SETTLEMENT by the security council is needed with international troops to enforce it.
If I wanted to exploit the situation,since I am picking on the Jews{GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE} so you say,this Goy{CATTLE,what am I supposed to say moo or something} can tell you for a fact that Israel uses Canadian passports given to them by Canadian Jews for internationl assasanations.That is HIGH TREASON.
Mr. Parsons I did not get a chance to finish as I had to go to the pasture for my feeding.
I suggest you do your own research in exploring why there were 120 Israeli "art students" in the U.S.
Sorry about the hippy remark,I wish you and yours a very MERRY CHRISTMAS!
I suggest you do your own research in exploring why there were 120 Israeli "art students" in the U.S.
Sorry about the hippy remark,I wish you and yours a very MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Mr. Parsons I did not get a chance to finish as I had to go to the pasture for my feeding.
I suggest you do your own research in exploring why there were 120 Israeli "art students" in the U.S.
Sorry about the hippy remark,I wish you and yours a very MERRY CHRISTMAS!
I suggest you do your own research in exploring why there were 120 Israeli "art students" in the U.S.
Sorry about the hippy remark,I wish you and yours a very MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Mr. Parsons I did not get a chance to finish as I had to go to the pasture for my feeding.
I suggest you do your own research in exploring why there were 120 Israeli "art students" in the U.S.
Sorry about the hippy remark,I wish you and yours a very MERRY CHRISTMAS!
I suggest you do your own research in exploring why there were 120 Israeli "art students" in the U.S.
Sorry about the hippy remark,I wish you and yours a very MERRY CHRISTMAS!
Now there is a streach of the imagination, I suppose you have proof that canada gives passports to the idf to go and cause havoc?
face it greg, there is only one agenda of the so called palistinian/arab/muslims, and that is to eliminate (cleanse) israel of jews. Isreal has every right to defend it's borders, and to expand them to protect soveriety, its a fact of war, always has been. when germany fell, do you now see them crying that they lost land to poland? when the soviets fell, so you see russians crying to reclaim the ukraine and poland, austria? No.
when jordan attacked isreal in 67, they lost, and also lost territory, that is war. now they want it back? I hardly think so
If you continue on this path greg, maybe we all (christians, jews, pagans, buddists, monks,) should demand that islam returns all land siezed to the point of pre mohammed(founder of islam).
face it greg, there is only one agenda of the so called palistinian/arab/muslims, and that is to eliminate (cleanse) israel of jews. Isreal has every right to defend it's borders, and to expand them to protect soveriety, its a fact of war, always has been. when germany fell, do you now see them crying that they lost land to poland? when the soviets fell, so you see russians crying to reclaim the ukraine and poland, austria? No.
when jordan attacked isreal in 67, they lost, and also lost territory, that is war. now they want it back? I hardly think so
If you continue on this path greg, maybe we all (christians, jews, pagans, buddists, monks,) should demand that islam returns all land siezed to the point of pre mohammed(founder of islam).
As a 4th generation American, I will do everything in my power to stop all aid to Israel, and urge our government to send in peacekeeping troops like we did with Kosovo, and transform Israel into a truly secular, democratic country with equal rights for all, including for all 5 million Palestinian refugees who must be allowed to return to their ancestral homeland of Palestine-Israel, which IS their rights according to UN Resolutions, International Law and world opinion. This one-state solution is the most humane solution. Anyone who discriminates against anyone would be fined/or jailed! Simple as that! For example, I read in a Swedish-American newspaper yesterday, that a Swedish young man was fined $700 for using the Nazi salute at a public ceremony for athletes. In Israel, politicians opening speak of Palestinians as "cancer" and "lice" that "needs to be removed" and are quoted in the newspapers. In fact these very politicians, such as the late Zeevi, are glorified and studied in Israeli classrooms! Talk about teaching hate!!! Americans must in NO WAY support such a racist country, and should in fact, forcibly change racist Israel and intervene NOW (yesterday, 54 years ago!) We MUST speak out! Every single day until Israel is FORCED to change into a TRUE democracy! NO AID and intervention are the tools. NO DOUBLE STANDARDS!
"......." sez, "I, you and every other American supports Israel whether we like it or not. If you want to be neutral as an American, you can't -- our government supports Israel"
You've said in other places you're Canadian. Which is it?
You've said in other places you're Canadian. Which is it?
"..............." says he's Canadian.
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/12/1550489_comment.php#1550824
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/12/1550489_comment.php#1550824
go cry, but wake up:
The truth is, islam teaches the hate as follows:
NEW YORK — Can it be true? That Islamic schools in the United States teach hatred towards American Christians and Jews?
The Washington Post on Monday revealed that one such school outside Washington, D.C., uses textbooks teaching 11th graders that "the Day of Judgment can't come until Jesus Christ returns to Earth, breaks the cross and converts everyone to Islam, and until Muslims start attacking Jews."
Other accredited Islamic schools in America have world maps on classroom walls that exclude Israel. Some such schools promote class discussions that portray Usama bin Laden as "simply the victim of … prejudice" against all Muslims in America.
These astonishing facts were broken by Post reporters Valerie Strauss and Emily Wax in their front-page piece, too tepidly entitled, "Where Two Worlds Collide: Muslim Schools Face Tension of Islamic, U.S. Views."
But their reporting was anything but tepid.
Americans generally assume Islamic hate teaching resided "out there" — in Cairo or Riyadh. And yet it's right here — in the elite Islamic Saudi Academy just outside Washington, D.C. "At stake," the two ace reporters say, "is how the next generation of Muslims coming of age in the United States will participate in the country they live in."
As with all educational institutions, the stakes are high. But the prospects here are low.
I don't know precisely what new immigrant schools taught when waves of Catholics or Jews first flocked to America. But I suspect they adopted and spread the basic American values — tolerance, freedom and patriotism.
Surely not the hatred propagated in many Islamic studies classes. At the Al-Qalam All-Girls School in Springfield, Va., seventh graders learn that Usama bin Laden may be not a villain but a victim of Americans' biased views toward great Islamic leaders. Hence "some students question the government's claim that bin Laden is responsible for the terrorist attacks — disputing that videotapes actually show him taking credit."
The Post reporters questioned "Fawzy, a 19-year-old who will graduate from George Mason University in 2003, [who] … wonders whether the United States just needed someone to blame and picked a Muslim. 'A lot of the students can't make up their minds if [Usama] is a good guy or a bad guy,' Fawzy said. 'The thing is, we don't have any real proof either way. I think a lot of people feel this way.'"
Classrooms of the Washington Islamic Academy, which teaches kindergarten through fourth grade, feature world maps without Israel. "Upstairs in Al-Qalam girls school, the word is blackened out with marker, with 'Palestine' written in its place."
When the reporters asked about this, academy officials "defended the maps, pointing out that some of the students are refugees from Palestine and want their heritage represented."
These school officials attempt to delegitimize Israel. I would delegitimize them — removing them from any role in shaping the beliefs and instilling knowledge in young Americans.
With the massive immigration of Muslims over recent decades — primarily because of the wretchedness of most native Islamic states — these parochial schools are increasing. Throughout America now are 200 to 600 Islamic day schools, teaching at least 30,000 full-time students and thousands more on weekends. The Washington Islamic Academy, outside the nation's capital, teaches some 1,300 kids, including children of Arabic-speaking diplomats.
It may rank among the worst of these academies, as it is funded by Saudi money. Its high school textbook, in the reporters' words, "says one sign of the Day of Judgment will be that Muslims will fight and kill Jews, who will hide behind trees that say: 'Oh Muslim, Oh servant of God, here is a Jew hiding behind me. Come here and kill him.'"
According to Strauss and Wax, "Several students of different ages, all of whom asked not to be identified, said that in Islamic studies, they are taught that it is better to shun and even to dislike Christians, Jews and Shiite Muslims.
"Some teachers 'focus more on hatred,' said one teenager … 'They teach students that whatever is kuffar [non-Muslim], it is okay for you' to hurt or steal from that person."
What can be done about this outrage?
First, reveal it, for which Valerie Strauss and Emily Wax and the Post deserve a Pulitzer Prize. Other reporters and top media outlets should follow in their steps.
Second, stop the accreditation of these hate schools. This, too, the reporters investigated when contacting an official at an accrediting agency of the Islamic Academy. His response was typical bureaucratese: the Secondary and Middle School Commission of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools "does not delve into curriculum extensively but … would be 'concerned' about such material being taught."
Well, he can stop being "concerned" and start de-accrediting the place.
Third, stop the Saudi funding. After Sept. 11, we were shocked to realize that "our friends, the Saudis" gave us Usama bin Laden, 15 of the 19 terrorists of Sept. 11 and more than 100 of the 150-plus terrorist leaders now confined in Guantanamo Bay cells. They also fund the Islamic schools spreading hate around the world towards Christians, Jews, America, freedom, and our sacred values.
Now we learn that Islamic hatred is being spread here at home, molding young American minds in what is shaping up as a real fourth column.
The truth is, islam teaches the hate as follows:
NEW YORK — Can it be true? That Islamic schools in the United States teach hatred towards American Christians and Jews?
The Washington Post on Monday revealed that one such school outside Washington, D.C., uses textbooks teaching 11th graders that "the Day of Judgment can't come until Jesus Christ returns to Earth, breaks the cross and converts everyone to Islam, and until Muslims start attacking Jews."
Other accredited Islamic schools in America have world maps on classroom walls that exclude Israel. Some such schools promote class discussions that portray Usama bin Laden as "simply the victim of … prejudice" against all Muslims in America.
These astonishing facts were broken by Post reporters Valerie Strauss and Emily Wax in their front-page piece, too tepidly entitled, "Where Two Worlds Collide: Muslim Schools Face Tension of Islamic, U.S. Views."
But their reporting was anything but tepid.
Americans generally assume Islamic hate teaching resided "out there" — in Cairo or Riyadh. And yet it's right here — in the elite Islamic Saudi Academy just outside Washington, D.C. "At stake," the two ace reporters say, "is how the next generation of Muslims coming of age in the United States will participate in the country they live in."
As with all educational institutions, the stakes are high. But the prospects here are low.
I don't know precisely what new immigrant schools taught when waves of Catholics or Jews first flocked to America. But I suspect they adopted and spread the basic American values — tolerance, freedom and patriotism.
Surely not the hatred propagated in many Islamic studies classes. At the Al-Qalam All-Girls School in Springfield, Va., seventh graders learn that Usama bin Laden may be not a villain but a victim of Americans' biased views toward great Islamic leaders. Hence "some students question the government's claim that bin Laden is responsible for the terrorist attacks — disputing that videotapes actually show him taking credit."
The Post reporters questioned "Fawzy, a 19-year-old who will graduate from George Mason University in 2003, [who] … wonders whether the United States just needed someone to blame and picked a Muslim. 'A lot of the students can't make up their minds if [Usama] is a good guy or a bad guy,' Fawzy said. 'The thing is, we don't have any real proof either way. I think a lot of people feel this way.'"
Classrooms of the Washington Islamic Academy, which teaches kindergarten through fourth grade, feature world maps without Israel. "Upstairs in Al-Qalam girls school, the word is blackened out with marker, with 'Palestine' written in its place."
When the reporters asked about this, academy officials "defended the maps, pointing out that some of the students are refugees from Palestine and want their heritage represented."
These school officials attempt to delegitimize Israel. I would delegitimize them — removing them from any role in shaping the beliefs and instilling knowledge in young Americans.
With the massive immigration of Muslims over recent decades — primarily because of the wretchedness of most native Islamic states — these parochial schools are increasing. Throughout America now are 200 to 600 Islamic day schools, teaching at least 30,000 full-time students and thousands more on weekends. The Washington Islamic Academy, outside the nation's capital, teaches some 1,300 kids, including children of Arabic-speaking diplomats.
It may rank among the worst of these academies, as it is funded by Saudi money. Its high school textbook, in the reporters' words, "says one sign of the Day of Judgment will be that Muslims will fight and kill Jews, who will hide behind trees that say: 'Oh Muslim, Oh servant of God, here is a Jew hiding behind me. Come here and kill him.'"
According to Strauss and Wax, "Several students of different ages, all of whom asked not to be identified, said that in Islamic studies, they are taught that it is better to shun and even to dislike Christians, Jews and Shiite Muslims.
"Some teachers 'focus more on hatred,' said one teenager … 'They teach students that whatever is kuffar [non-Muslim], it is okay for you' to hurt or steal from that person."
What can be done about this outrage?
First, reveal it, for which Valerie Strauss and Emily Wax and the Post deserve a Pulitzer Prize. Other reporters and top media outlets should follow in their steps.
Second, stop the accreditation of these hate schools. This, too, the reporters investigated when contacting an official at an accrediting agency of the Islamic Academy. His response was typical bureaucratese: the Secondary and Middle School Commission of the Southern Association of Colleges and Schools "does not delve into curriculum extensively but … would be 'concerned' about such material being taught."
Well, he can stop being "concerned" and start de-accrediting the place.
Third, stop the Saudi funding. After Sept. 11, we were shocked to realize that "our friends, the Saudis" gave us Usama bin Laden, 15 of the 19 terrorists of Sept. 11 and more than 100 of the 150-plus terrorist leaders now confined in Guantanamo Bay cells. They also fund the Islamic schools spreading hate around the world towards Christians, Jews, America, freedom, and our sacred values.
Now we learn that Islamic hatred is being spread here at home, molding young American minds in what is shaping up as a real fourth column.
I and "..." (three-dots) are two different ppl. I'm string of dots, he's three-dots.
You should use a nic instead of holding down the ........key
Then "..." and ".................." need to hold seperate political positions or one of you agree to change names (?). Either that or pick a subject and you 2 go at it. That should give everyone a headache.
My nick annoys the trolls endlessly. I'm keeping it. Three-dots probably won't change his either. I doubt either of us will change our political stance. If you find this inconvenient: tough cookies.
LOL LoL LoL! keep annoying those trolls then, LMAO
Mr Chief you should try thinking a little more before writing.Interesting how people can call themselves Chief in this age of "political correctness.
I said Canadian Jews gave their passports to Israel for assasanation and who knows what else,the Canadian goverment recalled their representative in Israel when two agents of the Mossad were apprehended after a botched assasanation."BY DECEPTION WE SHALL WAGE WAR" Their words not mine.Israel admitted to this.Do your own research.
1967 war Israel attacked U.S.S. Liberty deliberately.
Do your own research as to why,that should answer all of your concerns as to who attacked who and for what reasons.
MERRY CHRISTMAS Chief,be well.
I said Canadian Jews gave their passports to Israel for assasanation and who knows what else,the Canadian goverment recalled their representative in Israel when two agents of the Mossad were apprehended after a botched assasanation."BY DECEPTION WE SHALL WAGE WAR" Their words not mine.Israel admitted to this.Do your own research.
1967 war Israel attacked U.S.S. Liberty deliberately.
Do your own research as to why,that should answer all of your concerns as to who attacked who and for what reasons.
MERRY CHRISTMAS Chief,be well.
you have no prof, greg, I looked and looked, no such thing, your spreading rumors again
As far as the USA warship goes, it was an accident, misscomunication, these things happen in a tense part of the world, sometimes americans shoot down their own choppers, bomb alied troops, these are hazzards of war. Your statement means nothing.
As far as the USA warship goes, it was an accident, misscomunication, these things happen in a tense part of the world, sometimes americans shoot down their own choppers, bomb alied troops, these are hazzards of war. Your statement means nothing.
"The attack on Khalid Meshal by five or six Israeli agents disguised as Canadian tourists looked like that of a rushed mission mounted without Mossad's usual meticulous preparation, suggesting someone high up ordered an immediate hit. "
http://www.twf.org/News/Y1997/IsraelBotched.html
By disguising themselves as Canadians, Mossad could put real Canadian citizens in jeopardy. I suppose though if that were to happen, the Mossad would consider it a positive outcome.
Israeli supporters in this country killed Alex Odeh with a bomb planted in his ADC office in Santa Ana. The FBI named members of the JDL (Jewish Defense Leagues) as the perpetrators. They conveniently slipped off to Israel before being arrested and Israel refused extradition until recently.
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0497/9704067.htm
http://www.twf.org/News/Y1997/IsraelBotched.html
By disguising themselves as Canadians, Mossad could put real Canadian citizens in jeopardy. I suppose though if that were to happen, the Mossad would consider it a positive outcome.
Israeli supporters in this country killed Alex Odeh with a bomb planted in his ADC office in Santa Ana. The FBI named members of the JDL (Jewish Defense Leagues) as the perpetrators. They conveniently slipped off to Israel before being arrested and Israel refused extradition until recently.
http://www.washington-report.org/backissues/0497/9704067.htm
'I cried too' , you say:
"transform Israel into a truly secular, democratic country with equal rights for all, including for all 5 million Palestinian refugees ..."
Well, one can hardly disagree with that as a goal.
The problems as I see them are this;
a) a democratic Israel is NOT what Israel's enemies in the region want. They probably want it liquidated altogether.
None of THEM are "truly secular, democratic countries with equal rights for all". I suspect the idea of democracy, itself being emblematic of the modern - and the West in particular - is likely anathema to most of the states in the region.
b) Anyway, how and why do you 'force' one nation to 'democratise' without forcing others to do so, too.
c) And what kind of force could you mean?
--"Anyway, how and why do you 'force' one nation to 'democratise' without forcing others to do so, too."
We give Israel more aid than any other country on this planet by far (around $150 Billion to date). They want to be singled out for this favored treatment but also want us to "mind our own business" when it comes to equal treatment under the law for all the people there -- it's ok that Israel is an Apartheid state with egregiously unequal treatment under the law between Jews and non-Jews as far as Israel's supporters are concerned. "Keep paying for us, but mind your own business."
No other country in the region has done what Zionists have done -- stolen land from the original inhabitants kicking them out and then treating the few who remain as inferiors to be used as a cheap labor workforce. Why is it so impossible to ask that Palestinians be treated equally under the law. This is in fact what Palestinians have been asking for from day one despite Zionist lies (that is what was and is meant by the one-state solution -- one state for all its people with equal treatment under the law -- this is what Isaelis call "the destruction of Israel"). Israel is as much a democracy now as Apartheid South Africa was a democracy.
--"a democratic Israel is NOT what Israel's enemies in the region want. They probably want it liquidated altogether."
Below Palestinians tell you very clearly what they want:
Two States or One?
Ali Abunimah, The Electronic Intifada, 21 November 2002
http://www.electronicintifada.net/v2/article896.shtml
A State for All Its Citizens—One Palestinian’s Dream of Peace
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/sept-oct02/0209010.html
Doesn't sound like the "destruction of Israel" to me. Unless by that you mean that Jews would not get to be treated with super special rights and the natives treated shabbily -- almost all the land allotted to Jews and Jews only, Palestinian citizens of Israel have to get permission any time they want to leave their town to travel to another town, less water than Israelis, very unequal infrastructure, etc.
We give Israel more aid than any other country on this planet by far (around $150 Billion to date). They want to be singled out for this favored treatment but also want us to "mind our own business" when it comes to equal treatment under the law for all the people there -- it's ok that Israel is an Apartheid state with egregiously unequal treatment under the law between Jews and non-Jews as far as Israel's supporters are concerned. "Keep paying for us, but mind your own business."
No other country in the region has done what Zionists have done -- stolen land from the original inhabitants kicking them out and then treating the few who remain as inferiors to be used as a cheap labor workforce. Why is it so impossible to ask that Palestinians be treated equally under the law. This is in fact what Palestinians have been asking for from day one despite Zionist lies (that is what was and is meant by the one-state solution -- one state for all its people with equal treatment under the law -- this is what Isaelis call "the destruction of Israel"). Israel is as much a democracy now as Apartheid South Africa was a democracy.
--"a democratic Israel is NOT what Israel's enemies in the region want. They probably want it liquidated altogether."
Below Palestinians tell you very clearly what they want:
Two States or One?
Ali Abunimah, The Electronic Intifada, 21 November 2002
http://www.electronicintifada.net/v2/article896.shtml
A State for All Its Citizens—One Palestinian’s Dream of Peace
http://www.wrmea.com/archives/sept-oct02/0209010.html
Doesn't sound like the "destruction of Israel" to me. Unless by that you mean that Jews would not get to be treated with super special rights and the natives treated shabbily -- almost all the land allotted to Jews and Jews only, Palestinian citizens of Israel have to get permission any time they want to leave their town to travel to another town, less water than Israelis, very unequal infrastructure, etc.
Thats not proof, thats just a jornalists thoughts. mr. dot dot dot.
besides, it was an attack on hezbola, a terrorist group,
which is on the list of all western nations. And if they did use canadian passports, big deal. muslims do it all the time, but not so successfully now, muslim terrorists use passports from many counties, why don't you say that? why do you not say that the PLO were responsible for that hotel blast last week, and also for attempinting to shoot down a jet? hezbola is a terrorist group, and if they have their familly with them assembling bombs to kill innocent women and children, the deserve to die as well.
besides, it was an attack on hezbola, a terrorist group,
which is on the list of all western nations. And if they did use canadian passports, big deal. muslims do it all the time, but not so successfully now, muslim terrorists use passports from many counties, why don't you say that? why do you not say that the PLO were responsible for that hotel blast last week, and also for attempinting to shoot down a jet? hezbola is a terrorist group, and if they have their familly with them assembling bombs to kill innocent women and children, the deserve to die as well.
No, muslims don't use Canadian passports and it is a big scandal here, that Israel used them. We are very upset about that. It happened twice, once after they apologized for the first time. It puts Canadians at risk, particularly those working with human rights organizations. It was a low blow by Israel and if they had done it to the states, there would have been serious consequences.
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W1DA215D2
http://makeashorterlink.com/?W1DA215D2
--"hezbola is a terrorist group, and if they have their familly with them assembling bombs to kill innocent women and children, the deserve to die as well."
Chief. You along with most Americans are completely ignorant of what goes on there except what you are taught by the media which is biased to the extreme in favor of Israel. Do you even know what Hizbullah is? They are the South Lebanese resistance to Israel's Occupation of Southern Lebanon. They are not even Palestinian. They have been demonized here because they have chosen to fight Israelis on Lebanese soil. How can you call the indigenous resistance "terrorist" for fighting an invading army on their own soil. You've been duped by the media which takes Israel's side on everything.
I'm sure they don't want to fight and die, but when Israeli tanks roll across there border to try to steal their land and control their water resources (Litani River). Do you expect them to just sit back and take it? Anyone would fight back, but when they do, they are demonized because they are fighting Israelis whom we are taught are the angels of the Middle East.
In 1996, Hizbullah killed around a dozen Israeli soldiers planting mines ON Lebanese Soil and in response, Israel bombed a Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon killing over 100 civilians (mostly women and children). This was Qana and Israeli prime minister Shimon Peres called it an "accident." I'm sure you don't care about any of this because you've been duped and don't even believe Arabs are human, but I have no doubt if you met some in real life you would probably start to think differently -- depending on how far gone you are, that is.
Chief. You along with most Americans are completely ignorant of what goes on there except what you are taught by the media which is biased to the extreme in favor of Israel. Do you even know what Hizbullah is? They are the South Lebanese resistance to Israel's Occupation of Southern Lebanon. They are not even Palestinian. They have been demonized here because they have chosen to fight Israelis on Lebanese soil. How can you call the indigenous resistance "terrorist" for fighting an invading army on their own soil. You've been duped by the media which takes Israel's side on everything.
I'm sure they don't want to fight and die, but when Israeli tanks roll across there border to try to steal their land and control their water resources (Litani River). Do you expect them to just sit back and take it? Anyone would fight back, but when they do, they are demonized because they are fighting Israelis whom we are taught are the angels of the Middle East.
In 1996, Hizbullah killed around a dozen Israeli soldiers planting mines ON Lebanese Soil and in response, Israel bombed a Palestinian refugee camp in Lebanon killing over 100 civilians (mostly women and children). This was Qana and Israeli prime minister Shimon Peres called it an "accident." I'm sure you don't care about any of this because you've been duped and don't even believe Arabs are human, but I have no doubt if you met some in real life you would probably start to think differently -- depending on how far gone you are, that is.
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hezbollah is a terrorist group linked to alquada, in fact, it's listed as a terrorist group in all western countries,
a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist, what a load of crap
all palisinians are lebonese, they were they all came from. To say they are on a defensive suicide bombings? LMAO.
yea, I bet those women and children are a real threat
asshole
hezbollah is a terrorist group linked to alquada, in fact, it's listed as a terrorist group in all western countries,
a terrorist is a terrorist is a terrorist, what a load of crap
all palisinians are lebonese, they were they all came from. To say they are on a defensive suicide bombings? LMAO.
yea, I bet those women and children are a real threat
asshole
So, Israeli soldiers on Lebanese soil are "women and children"?
What about all the Lebanese and Palestinian women and children killed by Israeli soldiers (for example, in the bombed out refugee camp in Qana)?
asshole
What about all the Lebanese and Palestinian women and children killed by Israeli soldiers (for example, in the bombed out refugee camp in Qana)?
asshole
sharon, likud, right wing, militant settlers, hardline IDF generals = hamas, hezbollah, islamic jihad, al-aqsa martyrs brigade, militant palestinians.
hamas, hezbollah, islamic jihad, al-aqsa martyrs brigade, militant palestinians = sharon, likud, right wing, militant settlers, hardline IDF generals.
the occupation of palestine = the suicide bombings of israeli's.
the suicide bombings of israeli's = the occupation of palestine.
ONE SIDE ACTS = OTHER SIDE RETALIATES
ONE SIDE RETALIATES = OTHER SIDE ACTS
ONE SIDE WRONG = OTHER SIDE JUST AS WRONG.
FAILED POLICY = FAILED POLICY
for occupation to succeed = the extermination and ethnic cleansing of all palestinians.
for suicide bombing to succeed = the extermination and ethnic cleansing of all israelis.
OCCUPATION = WILL NOT BRING PEACE AND SECURITY TO ISRAEL
SUICIDE BOMBINGS = WILL NOT BRING FREEDOM TO PALESTINE
FAILED POLICY = FAILED POLICY
DEAD PALESTINIANS = DEAD ISRAELI'S
DEAD ISRAELI'S = DEAD PALESTINIANS
WRONG = WRONG
FAILED POLICY = FAILED POLICY.
FAILED POLICY = FAILED POLICY.
FAILED POLICY = FAILED POLICY.
FAILED POLICY = FAILED POLICY.
GOING ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE FAST.
hamas, hezbollah, islamic jihad, al-aqsa martyrs brigade, militant palestinians = sharon, likud, right wing, militant settlers, hardline IDF generals.
the occupation of palestine = the suicide bombings of israeli's.
the suicide bombings of israeli's = the occupation of palestine.
ONE SIDE ACTS = OTHER SIDE RETALIATES
ONE SIDE RETALIATES = OTHER SIDE ACTS
ONE SIDE WRONG = OTHER SIDE JUST AS WRONG.
FAILED POLICY = FAILED POLICY
for occupation to succeed = the extermination and ethnic cleansing of all palestinians.
for suicide bombing to succeed = the extermination and ethnic cleansing of all israelis.
OCCUPATION = WILL NOT BRING PEACE AND SECURITY TO ISRAEL
SUICIDE BOMBINGS = WILL NOT BRING FREEDOM TO PALESTINE
FAILED POLICY = FAILED POLICY
DEAD PALESTINIANS = DEAD ISRAELI'S
DEAD ISRAELI'S = DEAD PALESTINIANS
WRONG = WRONG
FAILED POLICY = FAILED POLICY.
FAILED POLICY = FAILED POLICY.
FAILED POLICY = FAILED POLICY.
FAILED POLICY = FAILED POLICY.
GOING ABSOLUTELY NOWHERE FAST.
"sharon, likud, right wing, militant settlers, hardline IDF generals = hamas, hezbollah, islamic jihad, al-aqsa martyrs brigade, militant palestinians"
hamas, hezbollah, islamic jihad, al-aqsa martyrs brigade, militant palestinians = sharon, likud, right wing, militant settlers, hardline IDF generals"
Agreed.
Except we give one of these sides $5-14 Billion annually ($14 billion this year alone). We are not exacty a neutral party to this conflict. We have TAKEN SIDES. Or at least our government has taken sides with Israel in our names.
Shouldn't we be neutral in this at the very least?
hamas, hezbollah, islamic jihad, al-aqsa martyrs brigade, militant palestinians = sharon, likud, right wing, militant settlers, hardline IDF generals"
Agreed.
Except we give one of these sides $5-14 Billion annually ($14 billion this year alone). We are not exacty a neutral party to this conflict. We have TAKEN SIDES. Or at least our government has taken sides with Israel in our names.
Shouldn't we be neutral in this at the very least?
couldn't have said it better myself. yes. exactly. that is my point.
The brutality shown in those pictures, are indicative of the courage of the Palestinian people, while also showing the indiscriminate use by the Israeli forces, of heavy weaponry, against stone throwing children.
It is just sickening, to see so much injustice and abuse!
It is just sickening, to see so much injustice and abuse!
IDF forces blew up a large bomb factory in the Askar refugee camp in Nablus on Friday. Forces searching the building discovered five large bombs containing ten to fifteen kilograms of explosives, a bomb to be used against armored vehicles that was still in the preparation stage, scores of bombs of different sizes, detonators, screws and bolts, and parts used to make up explosive belts.
In addition, security forces found large quantities of chemicals and scores of kilograms of TATP explosives. In one of the rooms soldiers also found women's clothing and new bags to be used to transport the bombs to various locations.
Since the launching of Operation Wheels in Motion, security forces in the past month have arrested 108 fugitives including five on the most wanted list and eleven terrorists planning to perpetrate suicide bomb attacks.
Meanwhile, Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz said troops will remain in Bethlehem during the Christmas holiday but stressed that the IDF presence would not hamper those wishing to attend the religious services. Senior security officials stressed, though, that the primary consideration is protecting the citizens of Israel. Since early Friday morning, security forces have arrested scores of Palestinian fugitives and suspects involved in terrorist activities.
Nineteen Palestinians were arrested in Jenin, eleven in al-Yamun west of Jenin, three in the al-Aida refugee camp near Bethlehem, three in Jelaboun, four in the Ramallah area and one north of Tulkarm. Six Hamas fugitives were arrested in Rantis northwest of Ramallah. Shots were fired several times at soldiers deployed in Tulkarm.
In addition, security forces found large quantities of chemicals and scores of kilograms of TATP explosives. In one of the rooms soldiers also found women's clothing and new bags to be used to transport the bombs to various locations.
Since the launching of Operation Wheels in Motion, security forces in the past month have arrested 108 fugitives including five on the most wanted list and eleven terrorists planning to perpetrate suicide bomb attacks.
Meanwhile, Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz said troops will remain in Bethlehem during the Christmas holiday but stressed that the IDF presence would not hamper those wishing to attend the religious services. Senior security officials stressed, though, that the primary consideration is protecting the citizens of Israel. Since early Friday morning, security forces have arrested scores of Palestinian fugitives and suspects involved in terrorist activities.
Nineteen Palestinians were arrested in Jenin, eleven in al-Yamun west of Jenin, three in the al-Aida refugee camp near Bethlehem, three in Jelaboun, four in the Ramallah area and one north of Tulkarm. Six Hamas fugitives were arrested in Rantis northwest of Ramallah. Shots were fired several times at soldiers deployed in Tulkarm.
As of November 20, 2002, there had been a total of 15,298 Palestinian terror attacks against Israel since the start of the "intifada" in September 2000. The number increased by one a day later, on November 21, when a Palestinian bomber blew up a bus filled with elderly women and young children in Jerusalem. Not surprisingly, the world has likely taken more angry notice of Israel's defensive actions to prevent further terror than of the grotesque cowardice of Palestinian terrorism. Murdered Jews, after all, are an old story.
Israelis have endured nearly one terror attack every hour of every day for twenty-five consecutive months. These attacks have had nothing to do with self-determination or freedom-fighting. Rather, they have targeted, almost exclusively, the most vulnerable and defenseless civilians. And while Palestinian propaganda, funded heavily from Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Iraq, always seeks to suggest equivalence between Arab terror and Israeli counterterror, there is a longstanding and meaningful difference between premeditated murder and unintentional casualties of essential self-defense against murder.
Nonetheless, the world chooses not to notice. At best, public opinion refuses to blame the Palestinians or supporters of Arab/Islamic terror in other countries. At worst, public opinion openly supports such terror as "national liberation."
Universities, at best, are unmindful. The scholars are busy with more weighty matters, especially those that do not pertain to real life in any way. In academe the truly fashionable concern is now for "diversity," "strategic planning" and "multiculturism." Understandably, there is no time for Jewish agony, anguish and suffering.
Who is to blame for cowardly forms of terror? If the Palestinians are to be blamed at all, we hear from almost all educated quarters, responsibility belongs only to Hamas, or to Islamic Jihad, or perhaps to Nobel laureate Arafat's Fatah. But surely it does not belong to the broader Palestinian community. Surely only the Arab "extremists" are blameworthy.
Yet, as we learn from all reliable survey research, an enormously disproportionate share of Palestinians fully supports the bus bombings, the burnings, the lynchings, and the shootings of Jewish noncombatants. Enjoying the now open support of Al Qaeda - support which is often accepted gratefully and without embarrassment - Palestinians in Israel as well as in Judea, Samaria and Gaza revel proudly in shedding the blood of Jewish children. And why not? Most of the "civilized world" argues that they may wage their particular armed struggle "by any means necessary." And the killing of Jews always buys them and their families a secure place in Paradise.
What could be easier to understand? Of course they could earn such a piece of immortality just as confidently by targeting Israeli military personnel, but they avoid such an option wherever possible. That course, after all, would require courage.
The cowardice of the Palestinian terrorist is unparalleled in the history of insurgent warfare. Although there is no shortage of examples of revolutionary fighters who disregard humanitarian boundaries in battle, the record of fighters who purposely and consistently seek utterly innocent and defenseless targets is actually very small.
- Several weeks ago, when a Palestinian terrorist machine gunned two Jewish infants still sucking on pacifiers (after stabbing the mother), the image of the murdered children was a source of feverish exaltation throughout the Palestinian communities in Jenin, Ramallah and Gaza.
- When, a year earlier, a newborn Jewish child was shot deliberately by a sniper, Palestinian celebrants hailed the murder as "yet another military victory against the Zionist occupation."
- When, several years ago, two Russian-Jewish Israelis who had not yet learned to speak Hebrew took a wrong turn into Ramallah, they were torn apart - literally - by howling mobs of frenzied Palestinians.
- When, after blinding and disemboweling the two Israelis, several young men in a Palestinian "police station" held up the still-dripping eyes and internal organs for all to see, THOUSANDS of ordinary Palestinians began to dance and chant wildly.
- And when, so very recently, a terrorist from Bethlehem entered the Jerusalem bus on November 21, he waited, patiently, until it was fully loaded with schoolchildren. Only then, only then - did he turn his wretchedly defiled body into a bomb.
What kind of people are these?
What boundless levels of cowardice are they willing to undertake and sustain? What manner of fear can occasion such an utter lack of human regard for life? What vision of "Jihad" can transform schools, nurseries and buses into exploding altars of human sacrifice? Are there no limits, no limits at all, to Palestinian terrorism?
I don't know the complete answers to these questions. I do know, however, that it is not despair. There are many, many other peoples on this planet whose conditions of daily life are much, much worse - indescribably worse - and these people never resort to pure barbarism. I know, also, that Palestinian schools and mosques systematically demonize "The Jew" and emphasize his or her alleged subhumanity. It is far easier to kill "the sons of pigs and monkeys" than it is to kill a fellow human being.
But this still does not explain the incomparable cowardice of the Palestinian terrorist. I suspect the truest answer has something to do with this murderer's overwhelming fears of death. Let us not forget that the suicide/homicide bomber does not really feel he is giving up his own life in his terrible deed. Rather, he murders Jews to ensure his absolute freedom from death - and also, according to the latest authoritative rulings of Arab clerics, the immortality of his closest relatives - by "dying" for the sake of Allah. "Do not consider those who are slain in the cause of Allah as dead," says the Koran. "They are living by their Lord."
Israelis have endured nearly one terror attack every hour of every day for twenty-five consecutive months. These attacks have had nothing to do with self-determination or freedom-fighting. Rather, they have targeted, almost exclusively, the most vulnerable and defenseless civilians. And while Palestinian propaganda, funded heavily from Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Iraq, always seeks to suggest equivalence between Arab terror and Israeli counterterror, there is a longstanding and meaningful difference between premeditated murder and unintentional casualties of essential self-defense against murder.
Nonetheless, the world chooses not to notice. At best, public opinion refuses to blame the Palestinians or supporters of Arab/Islamic terror in other countries. At worst, public opinion openly supports such terror as "national liberation."
Universities, at best, are unmindful. The scholars are busy with more weighty matters, especially those that do not pertain to real life in any way. In academe the truly fashionable concern is now for "diversity," "strategic planning" and "multiculturism." Understandably, there is no time for Jewish agony, anguish and suffering.
Who is to blame for cowardly forms of terror? If the Palestinians are to be blamed at all, we hear from almost all educated quarters, responsibility belongs only to Hamas, or to Islamic Jihad, or perhaps to Nobel laureate Arafat's Fatah. But surely it does not belong to the broader Palestinian community. Surely only the Arab "extremists" are blameworthy.
Yet, as we learn from all reliable survey research, an enormously disproportionate share of Palestinians fully supports the bus bombings, the burnings, the lynchings, and the shootings of Jewish noncombatants. Enjoying the now open support of Al Qaeda - support which is often accepted gratefully and without embarrassment - Palestinians in Israel as well as in Judea, Samaria and Gaza revel proudly in shedding the blood of Jewish children. And why not? Most of the "civilized world" argues that they may wage their particular armed struggle "by any means necessary." And the killing of Jews always buys them and their families a secure place in Paradise.
What could be easier to understand? Of course they could earn such a piece of immortality just as confidently by targeting Israeli military personnel, but they avoid such an option wherever possible. That course, after all, would require courage.
The cowardice of the Palestinian terrorist is unparalleled in the history of insurgent warfare. Although there is no shortage of examples of revolutionary fighters who disregard humanitarian boundaries in battle, the record of fighters who purposely and consistently seek utterly innocent and defenseless targets is actually very small.
- Several weeks ago, when a Palestinian terrorist machine gunned two Jewish infants still sucking on pacifiers (after stabbing the mother), the image of the murdered children was a source of feverish exaltation throughout the Palestinian communities in Jenin, Ramallah and Gaza.
- When, a year earlier, a newborn Jewish child was shot deliberately by a sniper, Palestinian celebrants hailed the murder as "yet another military victory against the Zionist occupation."
- When, several years ago, two Russian-Jewish Israelis who had not yet learned to speak Hebrew took a wrong turn into Ramallah, they were torn apart - literally - by howling mobs of frenzied Palestinians.
- When, after blinding and disemboweling the two Israelis, several young men in a Palestinian "police station" held up the still-dripping eyes and internal organs for all to see, THOUSANDS of ordinary Palestinians began to dance and chant wildly.
- And when, so very recently, a terrorist from Bethlehem entered the Jerusalem bus on November 21, he waited, patiently, until it was fully loaded with schoolchildren. Only then, only then - did he turn his wretchedly defiled body into a bomb.
What kind of people are these?
What boundless levels of cowardice are they willing to undertake and sustain? What manner of fear can occasion such an utter lack of human regard for life? What vision of "Jihad" can transform schools, nurseries and buses into exploding altars of human sacrifice? Are there no limits, no limits at all, to Palestinian terrorism?
I don't know the complete answers to these questions. I do know, however, that it is not despair. There are many, many other peoples on this planet whose conditions of daily life are much, much worse - indescribably worse - and these people never resort to pure barbarism. I know, also, that Palestinian schools and mosques systematically demonize "The Jew" and emphasize his or her alleged subhumanity. It is far easier to kill "the sons of pigs and monkeys" than it is to kill a fellow human being.
But this still does not explain the incomparable cowardice of the Palestinian terrorist. I suspect the truest answer has something to do with this murderer's overwhelming fears of death. Let us not forget that the suicide/homicide bomber does not really feel he is giving up his own life in his terrible deed. Rather, he murders Jews to ensure his absolute freedom from death - and also, according to the latest authoritative rulings of Arab clerics, the immortality of his closest relatives - by "dying" for the sake of Allah. "Do not consider those who are slain in the cause of Allah as dead," says the Koran. "They are living by their Lord."
"I know, also, that Palestinian schools and mosques systematically demonize "The Jew" and emphasize his or her alleged subhumanity. It is far easier to kill "the sons of pigs and monkeys" than it is to kill a fellow human being."
You mean like you just did to them, or like the 1000s of comments here which do the same thing? You're fucked if you think they have a monopoly on that score - heck, the Israelis have the market cornered on dehumanization tactics.
You mean like you just did to them, or like the 1000s of comments here which do the same thing? You're fucked if you think they have a monopoly on that score - heck, the Israelis have the market cornered on dehumanization tactics.
Seriously enough if u think that just cuz the jews were there first then that gives them the right to re-conquer the land. Wait a min, thn does that give the italians the right 2 go and conquer the lands that were previously conquered by the Romans. I DON'T THINK SO!!!
Another thing these 'Suicidal Bombers' why do u call them suicidal?? cuz they killed themselves 2 kill others as well?? well if it was u'r country others were invading don't u think u would actually go and defend it with money, sweat and even blood? well that's exactly wut their doeing, protecting their families and country with rocks against a heavily armed army. And wut do the israelis do, they go and destroy more homes and kill more people but don't u think that that would actually instead of stopping them would actually outrage them even more but also outrage the rest of the world. GODDAMNIT JUST GIVE THESE PEOPLE SOME LAND AND TRY TO LIVE IN PEACE FOR 1CE.
And SEARCH don't always at how the israelis r suffering plz also look at how the palestinians as well r suffering, y not live in peace, y not give both of them a country?? I mean look at the following ratio.
1israeli dead:50 palestinians dead.
Plz, think b4 u write look at all the facts b4 writing anything.
Another thing these 'Suicidal Bombers' why do u call them suicidal?? cuz they killed themselves 2 kill others as well?? well if it was u'r country others were invading don't u think u would actually go and defend it with money, sweat and even blood? well that's exactly wut their doeing, protecting their families and country with rocks against a heavily armed army. And wut do the israelis do, they go and destroy more homes and kill more people but don't u think that that would actually instead of stopping them would actually outrage them even more but also outrage the rest of the world. GODDAMNIT JUST GIVE THESE PEOPLE SOME LAND AND TRY TO LIVE IN PEACE FOR 1CE.
And SEARCH don't always at how the israelis r suffering plz also look at how the palestinians as well r suffering, y not live in peace, y not give both of them a country?? I mean look at the following ratio.
1israeli dead:50 palestinians dead.
Plz, think b4 u write look at all the facts b4 writing anything.
The US has plans to make another state within a state?! Hmm...history is repeating itself. In 1948, the UN made Israel, and now that we've funded them into a middle-eastern super power, the balance has gone out of wack. Do I smell....international funding towards Arabs soon? Uh oh, fuel for the fire. But then again, Arab nations teach hate against Western lifestyles, even though there is a McDonalds in downtown Damascus.
I read the comments of "..." down this thread, and he takes every aspect of the history of this and LIES about it.
THe arab "peace" plan a year ago DID mean the end of israel, because it called for the "Right of return" of hamas, hizbollah, islamic jihad and hundreds of thousands of palestinians to enter israel and become citizens. So palesitnians would have ther own new state, they already got a state called "jordan" 60 years ago, and now thousands of terrorists would get to enter israel and have free reign at continuing their dream of destroying israel.
Offering israel a peace plan that would result in constant death for israeli jews is something that "..." would approve of, but no one actually educated on the situation, and no one who doesn't want israel to die.
THe arab "peace" plan a year ago DID mean the end of israel, because it called for the "Right of return" of hamas, hizbollah, islamic jihad and hundreds of thousands of palestinians to enter israel and become citizens. So palesitnians would have ther own new state, they already got a state called "jordan" 60 years ago, and now thousands of terrorists would get to enter israel and have free reign at continuing their dream of destroying israel.
Offering israel a peace plan that would result in constant death for israeli jews is something that "..." would approve of, but no one actually educated on the situation, and no one who doesn't want israel to die.
How can anyone with 1/2 a brain and blood in their veins not see injustice being done to the Palestinians
How can anyone with 1/2 a brain and blood in their veins not see that Israel, who successfully made peace with Jordan, who successfully made peace with Egypt, has not been able to make peace with palestinians becuse palestinians insist on using terrorism and "intiafadas" rather than settle for compromise?
You may not like some of what hte IDF does, but in the general sense of this conflict, israel's main goal has been to continue to exist, and the main goal of palesitnian leadership has been to make israel go away.
You may not like some of what hte IDF does, but in the general sense of this conflict, israel's main goal has been to continue to exist, and the main goal of palesitnian leadership has been to make israel go away.
--"israel's main goal has been to continue to exist"
Israel's goal is to exist on *stolen land* and it *continues* to steal more land.
If Israel wishes to behave like this (an expansionist state in the same sense as Nazi Germany was expansionist), then why should we have to pay for it.
Israel's goal is to exist on *stolen land* and it *continues* to steal more land.
If Israel wishes to behave like this (an expansionist state in the same sense as Nazi Germany was expansionist), then why should we have to pay for it.
You are sick. Talking to you is sickening.
Israel is not on stolen land. Jews bought homes there for over 50 years, and it was made a nation. The owners of the land were the british, and it was put in control of jewish people. No land actually owned by arabs changed hands until the actual war in 1948.
And comparing israel to what the nazis did is so fucking sickening it's not even funny. It sickens me that sf.indymedia.org editors would even leave such a baseless chage on their website.
Israel is not on stolen land. Jews bought homes there for over 50 years, and it was made a nation. The owners of the land were the british, and it was put in control of jewish people. No land actually owned by arabs changed hands until the actual war in 1948.
And comparing israel to what the nazis did is so fucking sickening it's not even funny. It sickens me that sf.indymedia.org editors would even leave such a baseless chage on their website.
Yes, it is sickening what Zionists have done and continue to do to the Palestinians, and then they always lie about it too and try to defend the ethnic cleansing of the Palestinians. There is NO other word for it. And ethnic cleansing can NEVER be justified no matter who does it to whom! Two wrongs don't make a right! Check out "Origin of the Palestine-Israel Conflict" at http://www.cactus48.com for the truth about the matter.
Israel's goal is to exist on *stolen land* and it *continues* to steal more land.
Cry me a river! ALL land was at one time "stolen" by one group or another. Notice how the left always resorts to buzz words and vague accusations. Yes the land was "stolen" from the British who took it from the Turks, what is your point; the dumb Brits should have given the land back to its rightful occupier the Ottoman Empire!!
Yet another "all the answers and the complete truth" can be found at one website. Who the hell really thinks that you can get the complete story from one source?
Cry me a river! ALL land was at one time "stolen" by one group or another. Notice how the left always resorts to buzz words and vague accusations. Yes the land was "stolen" from the British who took it from the Turks, what is your point; the dumb Brits should have given the land back to its rightful occupier the Ottoman Empire!!
Yet another "all the answers and the complete truth" can be found at one website. Who the hell really thinks that you can get the complete story from one source?
The area was freed of Turkish rule by Arabs with British weapons. Once the Turks were kicked out, the British stopped arming the Arabs.
Neither the Turks nor the British conducted ethnic cleansing for the purpose of purifying the land for one ethnic group as the Israelis are currently doing (and have been doing since 1948).
It's ironic, if the Arabs had not fought off the Turks, the Israelis would not have been able to do what they did in 1948 because they would have had to face the Turkish Army.
Neither the Turks nor the British conducted ethnic cleansing for the purpose of purifying the land for one ethnic group as the Israelis are currently doing (and have been doing since 1948).
It's ironic, if the Arabs had not fought off the Turks, the Israelis would not have been able to do what they did in 1948 because they would have had to face the Turkish Army.
Maybe the Israelis should stop eating the blood of dead palestinian babies, and stop trying to take over the entire middle east. Everyone knows the zionists are trying to take over the entire world and have all non-zionists sent to the mothership to receive anal probing from space aliens.
The post up above at 6:07pm is by some pro-Israeli loser trying to smear me by posting some crap with my usual handle.
Why are Israel's supporters so intent on smearing anyone who opposes Zionism as anti-Semites as the above post tries to do?
I guess there arguments in favor of Israeli racism can't stand on their own so there only recourse is to try to smear those who oppose their brand of racism.
Why are Israel's supporters so intent on smearing anyone who opposes Zionism as anti-Semites as the above post tries to do?
I guess there arguments in favor of Israeli racism can't stand on their own so there only recourse is to try to smear those who oppose their brand of racism.
Your Israel obsession is unhealthy, and the lies and exaggerations you tell about Israel is sickening.
May you be a casuality of the next Sept 11. You deserve it.
May you be a casuality of the next Sept 11. You deserve it.
Right ON!, Wright ON!
What a worthless peice of land they are fighting over. Barely any water, horrible soil, and a hot desert are worth fighting over? If the Jews were smart they would leave that place, pool thier money together and buy the Baja peninsula from Mexico. Leave the Palestinians to be annexed by Syria, Egypt and Jordan. The Palestinains would have their worthless land and be just a miserable as they are now.
some of the comments people have made do little less than shock me. by saying that every land has been stolen at one time or another does not justify the needless killing of civilians be they israelis or palestinians. the condemnation of one group over another does not and will not ever solve anything. i am a jew myself yet i am still able to find fault in the actions of the israeli army. just because one is of a certain backround does not mean that one should support wholeheartedly the actions of those that share the same origin. there is no simple way to solve the israeli-palestinian conflict nor do i believe that any resolution is pending. the next step toward a uniformly agreable answer would be to understand the opposition. this has long been an important military tactic and some would say that the conflict in israel/palestine is an unofficial war. if that is where you are coming from, then fine. there are innocent people dying every day. just because they are israelis or palestinians that you would never even speak to, much less feel sympathy for, does not mean that they could not be your brother or your sister or even your own child. do not overlook the intense strain that such needless casualties have put apon any steps toward resolution. this is the real war, fighting the need for violence within ourselves and not just in the "enemy."
The photo above is of the Israeil Army removing illegal Jewish settlers. Part of the Roadmap to Peace.
my sympathy and respact go out to ther palistinian people I think t6he Israelis are suffering from a ww2 paranoia why dont they try tolive in peace withthe people that they have st
my sympathy and respact go out to ther palistinian people I think t6he Israelis are suffering from a ww2 paranoia why dont they try tolive in peace withthe people that they have st
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