Press Release: Day Labor Program Files Lawsuit Against City Government

[Mexico's foreign minister Jorge] Castaneda said Mexican officials will begin rallying unions, churches, universities and Mexican communities.

"What's important is that American society sees a possible migratory agreement in a positive light," Castaneda said. "We are already giving instructions to our consulates that they begin propagating militant activities -- if you will -- in their communities."

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so what's your point, you racist piece of shit?

just thought I'd ask.

It's not racist to simply quote what a country's foreign minister says. Got anything better?

i went to your website and it was filled with all sorts of racist innuendo about immigrants who think this is their country, as well as the interesting insight that the DC sniper could have been caught if the police and the media were more racist and not burdened by the dead hand of political correctness.

i thought the foreign minister's choice of words was an excellent one, offering as it does the prospect of effective mobilization against white hegenomy from within the U.S.

By the way, you rage at stupid anti-war protesters and the like, but you don't strike me as a rhodes scholar yourself, pal. Your prose abounds in dangling participles and comma splices, among other sytactical atrocities. That's a nice way of saying that you're a fucking right wing moron. Move along now

i went to your website and it was filled with all sorts of racist innuendo about immigrants who think this is their country, as well as the interesting insight that the DC sniper could have been caught if the police and the media were more racist and not burdened by the dead hand of political correctness.

i thought the foreign minister's choice of words was an excellent one, offering as it does the prospect of effective mobilization against white hegenomy from within the U.S.

By the way, you rage at stupid anti-war protesters and the like, but you don't strike me as a rhodes scholar yourself, pal. Your prose abounds in dangling participles and comma splices, among other syntactical atrocities. That's a nice way of saying that you're a fucking right wing moron. Move along now

"i went to your website"

The check's in the mail.

"it was filled with all sorts of racist innuendo"

Er, no.

"about immigrants who think this is their country"

Well, France is not my country, as I am not a citizen of France. Until such time as I become a French citizen, France is not my country. Likewise with the U.S. Immigrants, legal or not, certainly have rights guaranteed under the Constitution and various treaties. However, this is not their country.

"the interesting insight that the DC sniper could have been caught if the police and the media were more racist and not burdened by the dead hand of political correctness."

Actually, it's the other way around, Mike. I wish the police had been less racist. See, as I pointed out, they were obsessed with either white men, or perhaps Hispanics or Middle Easterners. When Moose got the first letter, and it had a bit of a Jamaican flavor to it, he should have alerted the beat cops that the perps might be black. Racist Political Correctness perhaps prevented him from doing this.

"i thought the foreign minister's choice of words was an excellent one, offering as it does the prospect of effective mobilization against white hegenomy from within the U.S."

That's nice Mike. It's good to know that you support another country's attempt to attack us from within.

Let's try a little test. What if the Israeli foreign minister had said the same thing? Or perhaps the Russian foreign minister. Would it be the same for you? Oh, and Mikey, you did know that the elites of Mexico are mainly white, right?

<When Moose got the first letter, and it had a bit of a Jamaican flavor to it, he should have alerted the beat cops that the perps might be black. Racist Political Correctness perhaps prevented him from doing this.>

A typical racist comment masquerading as "anti-political correctness. " What, precisely, was this "bit of a Jamacian flavor"? I hate to break it to you LoneWhiteMan, but you're betraying your racial isolation here. Many blacks and Jamacians do not get along, sadly, and racial solidarity is the last you'd expect among them. The idea that the MooseMan was covering for a West Indian brother is laughable.

< That's nice Mike. It's good to know that you support another country's attempt to attack us from within.>

Actually, the proposed "militant activities" would make the U.S. a better place, so if that's "attacking," I'm all for it. They would result in more racial diversity and less power for white boneheads like you.

Since many Mexican immigrants are poor, these changes could also lead to great things like socialized medicine; stronger unions; and greatly increased asset and inheritance taxes (along with greatly decreased sales and payroll taxes) . A boy can dream.

<Oh, and Mikey, you did know that the elites of Mexico are mainly white, right?>

Yes, I did know. No wonder the country's so fucked up. :)

< Let's try a little test. What if the Israeli foreign minister had said the same thing? Or perhaps the Russian oreign minister. Would it be the same for you?> It's always the same for me. Foreign countries routinely urge their citizens in the U.S. to take legal actions of one sort or another. That's why it's a great country, knucklehead! Only in racially homogenous societies and dictatorships do people get exercised by that sort of thing. So what side are you on, LoneWhiteMan?

"A typical racist comment masquerading as "anti-political correctness. " What, precisely, was this "bit of a Jamacian flavor"?"

Oh, I dunno, the five stars, "Word is Bond," "Dear Mr. Policeman." All of which were identified as being related to Jamaica: http://groups.google.com/groups?selm=b30sruk5iun0dpsq0f379o0fasqf5e4d64%404ax.com

"I hate to break it to you LoneWhiteMan"

If I were black, would it be racist to call me "LoneBlackMan?"

"The idea that the MooseMan was covering for a West Indian brother is laughable."

Yes, it certainly is. Least of all because I never said anything of that sort. If he knew they were probably black, he should have announced that. If not to the general public, then at least to the cops. Lacking a statement of that sort, many were stuck with the impression, formed by "profilers" and "experts" that the perp(s) were probably white. He wasn't covering up out of solidarity with the perps. If he was covering up, it was to avoid perceived problems with vigilantism as well as not-just-perceived with "activists" who would have complained about "reverse" profiling.

"Actually, the proposed "militant activities" would make the U.S. a better place, so if that's "attacking," I'm all for it."

Good for you. Some people (like CAIR) think establishing Sharia law would be a good thing for the U.S. According to them, it would make the U.S. a better place. It would be against the will of 99% of the citizens of the U.S. and against our most fundamental laws, but whatever. The moment they try to do something about it, perhaps with foreign support, we need to do something to stop them. Oh, wait...

"They would result in more racial diversity and less power for white boneheads like you."

Is calling me a "white bonehead" a racist comment? Most citizens of the U.S. -of any background- would object to another country attempting to social engineer our society. Anyone who doesn't is, well, I won't dare call it what I think it is.

"Yes, I did know [that the elites of Mexico are mainly white]. No wonder the country's so fucked up. :)"

Is that a racist comment?

"Foreign countries routinely urge their citizens in the U.S. to take legal actions of one sort or another. That's why it's a great country"

Very few countries have allowed other countries to meddle in their internal affairs. In fact, that's frequently resulted in wars.

"So what side are you on, LoneWhiteMan?"

Why do you keep making racist comments?

<If he was covering up, it was to avoid perceived problems with vigilantism as well as not-just-perceived with "activists" who would have complained about "reverse" profiling.>

So: you have no idea or evidence whatsoever that he was covering up but just like to insinuate that he didn't do a good job because he's a black man and many black people are criminals and the liberals help cover this up because they're racists in reverse but you can't say this because there's a secret conspiracy in the liberal media not to tell the truth about crime and race....yak yak yak.

<Some people (like CAIR) think establishing Sharia law would be a good thing for the U.S. According to them, it would make the U.S. a better place.>

Uh, yeah, ok... whatever. I guess this qualifies as a brilliant retort in Limbaughland, but I have no idea what it means.

<Most citizens of the U.S. -of any background- would object to another country attempting to social engineer our society.>

The Mexicans are trying to provide more humane treatement for desparately poor Hispanics living in the U.S. Southwest. That's not called "social engineering," stupid. It's called "justice."
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< Is that a racist comment [about the Mexican elite]?>

No, Shakespeare, it's an IRONIC comment. Sheesh!

<Why do you keep making racist comments?>

I'm not, O Grand Wizard. I'm just jossing you: one white guy to another. Believe it or not, not all white guys sit around reading Drudge and jerking off to Fox News documentaries about the Special Forces. You're giving the pale pigment color a bad name. Your Mom and Uncle never should have married.

"So: you have no idea or evidence whatsoever that he was covering up"

He wasn't "covering up" in the senses that you previously stated. However, as we all know, he wasn't telling everything that he knew. After having received a letter that indicated a Jamaican perp, and after having spoken with someone with a Jamaican accent, he did not then go on the air and say "we're looking for a Jamaican." That's an easily verifiable fact. Whether he told the cops to look out for Jamaicans, I don't know, but I doubt it. Otherwise, one of the stops of the Caprice, of which there were about a dozen, might have resulted in an arrest.

"but just like to insinuate that he didn't do a good job because he's a black man and many black people are criminals and the liberals help cover this up..."

I said or implied nothing of the sort. I'm not really holding Moose himself responsible for anything either. As many people pointed out, he was more or less relegated to being a spokesman once the FBI got involved. While I'm sure Moose had input, he himself stated that the decisions were being made by committee, and, since a federal agency was involved, I'd imagine that they were leading the committee. Once again, I do not know. That is, however, what many believe, and based on the FBI's history that makes sense. And, no, my belief that the FBI took over the case is not because Moose is black.

"The Mexicans are trying to provide more humane treatement for desparately poor Hispanics living in the U.S. Southwest. That's not called "social engineering," stupid. It's called "justice." "

If that's all they were doing, I wouldn't object so much. However, it doesn't take much to see that they are also trying to have an influence on our policies, sending us their excess population (http://washingtontimes.com/commentary/20021116-5569897.htm), and doing other things which are not in the U.S.'s best interests.

there is something ironic about people living in cities called Los Angeles, San Jose, San Francisco or Palo Alto and complaining about Spanish speaking immigrants....

< After having received a letter that indicated a Jamaican perp, and after having spoken with someone with a Jamaican accent, he did not then go on the air and say "we're looking for a Jamaican." That's an easily verifiable fact. Whether he told the cops to look out for Jamaicans, I don't know, but I doubt it.>

You know perfectly well, Officer Obie, that, any phone call was (rightly) bugged, and any letter promptly forwarded to superiors. So the Moosemeisteer couldn't have been hiding anything. Whatever calculations drove the authorities' decision to withold the caller's race (if that is indeed what happened), it's absurd to argue that "political correctness" was among them.

<. However, it doesn't take much to see that they are also trying to have an influence on our policies, sending us their excess population>

I disagree, and the Chavez article proves my point; indeed, if I'd read it first, I would have posted it. The policies of these governments have prompted Chavez, an influential conservative, to advocate a guest worker program (an excellent suggestion). It couldn't have worked out better if the white Mexican elite had planned it that way. :)

By the way, Southern Man, the sending of money home by immigrants is a boon to the US: it helps stabilize these economies, thus preventing even more immigrants from fleeing north.

Well, I've got to head off to Taco Bell before driving to Los Angeles to meet with some white friends at the mission.

< I disagree, and the Chavez article proves my point>

I should have said, "I agree, and the Chavez article proves why this is a good thing" [except that surplus population baloney.]

"Well, I've got to head off to Taco Bell "

the good part about the Taco Bell boycott is that eating at Taco Bell is often its own penalty

You've got to be kidding me. It's called we're bigger, stronger and better workers. We won the war. Who did Mexicans take those lands from before us? Lets not talk about that though, it was just a bunch of dirty Indians who don't matter because there are so few left to defend themselves.

I could show you a few maps too.

I could show you maps that show all sorts of different "boundries". It's not any more ironic than cities being named after American Indian words and so forth.

We won. Deal with it.

Now "it's time to head for the Border!"

Viva Taco Bell!

in a country with a vast and quickly growing Hispanic population, this is a right wing strategy doomed to defeat. So, please, keep up the racist ramblings. See you at Trent Lott's house!

Why does Mike keep making the cheap slur that anyone who says anything in favor of a sovereign U.S. is a racist? Is it because he has no argument other than making ad hominem attacks?

"the sending of money home by immigrants is a boon to the US: it helps stabilize these economies, thus preventing even more immigrants from fleeing north."

Well, if their jobs were taken by citizens instead of foreigners, their money would stay right here. And, of course, your argument falls flat because if they were prevented from coming to the U.S. there would be no need to prevent more from coming.

Why do so-called "progressives" support giving a subsidy to rich growers, factory owners, home builders, restaurant chains, and all the others who claim that their businesses need cheap serf labor?

subsidizing private enterprises with public money is a right wing, Republican, neo-conservative idea.

ok; i'll just say that anyone who U.S. sovereignyak yak is WRONG, you beautiful appararition of the pale perfection that lines the sky. you still haven't responded to any of my points.

<Why do so-called "progressives" support giving a subsidy to rich growers, factory owners, home builders, restaurant chains, and all the others who claim that their businesses need cheap serf labor?>

what are these subsidies that progressives have spearheaded or alone supported, my friend? are you opposed to building interstates that constitute a de facto hand out to the Taco Bells and the Carl, Jr's? or would you agree that in exchange for gov't handouts, the Tacos should agree to better working and other conditions in their establishments, which are currently atrocious.

You're not keeping up, lonely one; since you boasted on your website that you're kicking butt on this site and invited other Drudgeboys to join in, you need to put your money where your mouth is. Typical of conservatives emit hot air but flee when challenged.

<Well, if their jobs were taken by citizens instead of foreigners, their money would stay right here. And, of course, your argument falls flat because if they were prevented from coming to the U.S. there would be no need to prevent more from coming.>

well, the point chavez is making is that americans won't take these jobs, and they'd go begging. As for preventing even more from coming, good luck keeping them out even with a vastly more fortified border. NAFTA alone encourages commerce that makes such a lockdown impossible.

Unless you'd like to repeal that as well? (Great idea!) Why don't we just build a huge Berlin Wall since, by your loopy logic, those East Germans had no business trying to leave the country and take jobs away from hard working West Germans. Ya volt, herr commandant!

Why is it OK for hispanics to put signs up, create organizations, etc. calling themselves "The Race" but if white people do it it's racist?

Immigrants aren't just taking the low paying jobs. Thousands of workers in Silicon Valley are out of good paying jobs yet the H1 Visa people keep on coming and lowering wages for the few jobs remaining.

<Why is it OK for hispanics to put signs up, create organizations, etc. calling themselves "The Race" but if white people do it it's racist?>

Got any evidence of that, oh-yet-one-more alluring apparition of the pale white perfection that rules the sky?

<Immmigrants aren't just taking the low paying jobs. Thousands of workers in Silicon Valley are out of good paying jobs yet the H1 Visa people keep on coming and lowering wages for the few jobs remaining.>

This is a statistically insignificant part of what you chaps refer to as the "immigration problem." And anyway, this program was opposed by lefties and unionistas; but supported by republicans as well as corporate democrats. H1 Visas aren't fleeing poverty; they're delibertely lured here by bottom feeding corporations.

Americans would take the jobs, your wrong. What a tired and old argument that doesn't hold water.

The jobs used to go to the teenage population of U.S.A. The teenagers would do the agricultural jobs in the summers and sometimes in the winters. The teenagers used to wash the dishes and trim the lawns and landscaping.

Maybe we wouldn't have such problem with our youth if these jobs would go to the people they are meant for. The youth of the nation. It teaches them responsibility and respect for money and people.

I would think the Mexican people would try and make their country a better place rather than coming up leech off the country and than bitch about how awful Americans are. If it's such an awful place go back to Mexico and shut UP!!!

Ah, there's nothing like watching a racist take a bite out of his own foot.

I worked as "an agricultural laborer" on the tobacco farms of New England when I was but a wee lad, during my summer "vacations." All other workers on the farm were white teenagers as well.

Let me tell you about what we were taught about "responsibility and respect for money and people."

Yes, we worked hard. But swearing was rampant. So was drinking drug use. Younger and smaller boys were brutalized mercilessly by the older kids. The farm owner's well known habit of living off the labor of his hired hands while helping himself to a young lad now and then--Catholic Church style-was well known. Needless to say, he was a staunch Republican around town, preaching the virtues of self-respect and family.

I was a well behaved child before I worked tobacco and an out of control ruffian afterwards. In other words, I never had such a good time in my life. The experience was instrumental in turning me into a leftist.

So, by all means, make these kids work the farms!

La Raza in Spanish means “The Race” and several of their most outspoken members have views similar to that of the KKK, including a purity of race and a separate race nation concept.

But the above poster is right, in general, Americans won’t take these jobs. But that shouldn’t prevent the US from having a sane immigration work policy and issuing Work Visas to migrant workers.

"what are these subsidies that progressives have spearheaded or alone supported, my friend"

Per your earlier statements, day laborers are a good thing: they're just poor guys trying to make some money.

Unfortunately, these day laborers and others are a net drain on our economy. In other words, they cost us more in social services and the like than they contribute.

If they were citizens, or if they were paid above the table, they would perhaps give into the system as much as they take out. That might raise prices for consumers, but it might also force manufacturers and all the others who use cheap labor to modernize their processes.

So, who benefits from all this cheap labor? The average consumer does benefit with lower prices. But, who benefits more directly? Who is the major driving force behind the demand for cheap immigrant labor? Why, large corporations of course: home builders, growers, sweat shop operators, etc. etc.

So, in effect, these large corporations demand cheap labor and then stick the rest of us with the bill for the net loss caused by the cheap labor.

"Got any evidence of that"

http://ksca.netmio.com/homepage/0,2257,SI2,00.html

http://www.corazondigital.com/La_Raza_Rockera/la_raza_rockera.html

http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/12/8/51548

<Unfortunately, these day laborers and others are a net drain on our economy. In other words, they cost us more in social services and the like than they contribute.>

False. Their contribution in labor power, sweating under often brutal conditions for wages a dog couldn't live on so that the economy hums along for the middle and upper classes, more than offsets the cost of the social services they consume, which, in any event, is not, comparatively, all that large an amount. Untold numbers avoid the welfare system altogether. So in effect, their labor constitutes an enormous subsidy by them to society.

<Who is the major driving force behind the demand for cheap immigrant labor? Why, large corporations of course: home builders, growers, sweat shop operators, etc. etc.>

Correct, but once again, you've shot yourself in the foot. "Real" Americans will only take these jobs if they have to, which in effect means their wages will be pushed down, not up, by the expunging of immigrants from the labor pool, even if the average hourly rate for these jobs rises. So you are essentially urging the exploitation of your blue collar brothers.

In addition, you've offered no concrete way people could be kept out of the U.S. It absolutely cannot happen unless NAFTA is repealed, since "free" trade cannot flourish without some measure of open borders. In any event, the costs of maintaining a Mexican-U.S. Berlin Wall, with its concomitant troop requirements, etc., would far outweigh the economic benefits of stopping immigration.

<[More expensive] labor might "also force manufacturers and all the others who use cheap labor to modernize their processes.">

Well, this is a very funny argument for a conservative to be making. Usually we hear that high wages force companies to cut wages and move jobs overseas. If you'd like to repeal NAFTA, allow unions to organize (the only proven way to raise wages to livable levels), and do all sorts of other nifty left wing stuff, well, now you're talking, comrade.

<http://ksca.netmio.com/homepage/0,2257,SI2,00.html

http://www.corazondigital.com/La_Raza_Rockera/la_raza_rockera.html

http://www.newsmax.com/articles/?a=1999/12/8/51548>

The first link is in Spanish which I don't speak, since, after all, I'm a white guy.:) The second link doesn't work.

The third link is another foot shooting extravaganza by the LoneRanger/Wacko. The only evidence Savage provides is one phone call to his show, and an un-linked article by an unnamed "Latino gentleman." But it is absolutely true, as the Latino gentleman states, that poor immigrant labor is carrying more affluent whites, who quite literally prosper off the sweat of poor immigrants' brows (see my post above).

Furthermore, Savage is a comically delirious right winger, judging by his article, assailing state colleges as hotbeds of Marxism and Latino secession. Holy cow, that is really drinking the Kool Aid! Earth to Michael! Earth to Michael!

By my calculations, Lonester, you are getting your butt thoroughly kicked here, if I do say so myself. I think it's time to update your readers that your assault in indymedia hasn't worked out, and that reinforcements are in order. Cheers.

" I think it's time to update your readers that your assault in indymedia hasn't worked out, and that reinforcements are in order. Cheers."

We've been telling him this for months. He just doesn't seem to get it.

A previous poster asked "Why is it OK for hispanics to put signs up, create organizations, etc. calling themselves "The Race" but if white people do it it's racist?" To which Mike replied "Got any evidence of that [racist comment deleted]"

So, I provided a couple links to examples of signs. Specifically, those are radio stations with billboards throughout L.A. The first station's billboards have "Pura Raza" on them, and the second station's say "La Raza." Now, in those contexts, that might in a certain respect mean the same thing as "Pure Country." However, the literal translation ("Pure Race") is a little scary, and I would imagine the howls of protest if, say, a country station in the Inland Empire put up a Pure White Music! billboard. You will no doubt not see any potential for a double-standard however.

"The only evidence Savage provides is one phone call to his show, and an un-linked article by an unnamed "Latino gentleman.""

Well, there are plenty of links on my page, including to this longer article, with easily verifiable quotes and even footnotes:

http://www.diversityalliance.org/docs/Chang-aztlan.html

For instance, "In January 1995, El Plan de Aztlan Conference at UC Riverside resolved that "We shall overcome...by the vote if possible and violence if necessary.""

For more links, see http://resipsaloquitur.blogspot.com/

"Their contribution in labor power, [poor poor me comments deleted], more than offsets the cost of the social services they consume"

Do you have a generally accepted study to back that up?

""Real" Americans will only take these jobs if they have to, which in effect means their wages will be pushed down, not up, by the expunging of immigrants from the labor pool"

First of all, I'm not necessarily in favor of expunging illegal immigrants. You might want to read this regarding home-grown vs. cheap foreign labor: http://www.vdare.com/sailer/la_causa_or_la_raza.htm

How dramatic! You could sell that story to Hollywood! I'm sure all farmers are like that. Just like all Mexicans are lazy. Which is why it's probably a good thing Mexicans are doing the labor now instead of the teenagers.

Wow Mike, you sure did have a bad time on the farm.

My experience in the Illinois farm fields were nothing like that at all.

No pedafile farmers. (You think Mike has a little bit of Catholic hatred in him?) Once upon a time it was called being a pedafile not "Catholic style". I think that comment alone shows how you have some scary issues Mike.

We walked the pumpkin patches and detassled corn field from 3 am til 11 am. I learned great things met some great people and learned the value of money.

I think teenagers working on farms again would be a good thing. Mike's experiences working on the farm are few and far between. I guess Mike never went to highschool either where the pecking order among males is equally as strong and normal.

Regards

It's true I have some deep Catholic issues. It all started when I was in the eighth grade and Father Phil and I were kissing tenderly on the couch, when he broke the terrible news to me that he'd been seeing other altar boys. Words cannot express my devasation.

So, traumitized, I left home and went to work on a giant Pumpkin farm in Northern Mississippi, near the Costa Rican border. I learned the value of money, made some great friends, smoked some great Delta weed, and met my first girlfriend, a toothless blunder named Ellie Mae. She wasn't the brightest light bulb in the rainforest, but she helped me get my mind off Father Phil and his dreamy mustache.

Soon, I was off to college at Ol' Miss on a full scholarship. It's true I never went to high school, but this was Mississippi, remember, where the major requirement for getting ahead was (and is) that you be white and breathing.

One day, I was walking across campus with my new girlfriend, Ms. Polly Purebread Lillywhite, when I happened across Trent Lott, the head of our fraternity, beating the crap out of some black guy named James Meredith.

"Hey, Trent," I said cheerfully. "Waddya doin?""

"I'm trying to get into Republican party politics," he said. "They love this kind of stuff."

Well, I'm just misting up at all these memories, so that's all for now. But I'll be back with more chapters from my great life story, including the night I, Trent, Sean Hammity, and 650 of our closest friends dressed up as Caspar the Ghost and set fire to this cross.......Ah, youth......

boo hoo, hoo. poor sad put upon michael with no will of his own. unable to stand up and walk away. The world must be a scary place for you michael. So I guess it is true all Mexicans are lazy and all white people are evil. Thanks for showing us how black and white(is that racists? I can't tell anymore) it all is michael. your name isn't even worth the capital letters.

El Reportero
Vol. 13, Edition 5
April 2 - April 10, 2003

Number of Day Laborers rebel against Renee Saucedo

Workers express support for Capt. Corrales

by Fresia Rodríguez Cadavid


Day laborers Julio Arredondo (left) and Dindrako Zelaya speak before the Board of Supervisors

Photo by Jason Steinberg

The Day Labor Program of San Francisco, led by attorney Renee Saucedo, have held several protests against the police in the past two years, particularly Mission Station captain Greg Corrales, accusing officers of harrassment.

However, as Corrales remains indicted by a grand jury in connection with a brawl five months ago, a number of day laborers, who have voiced their opinions against him, are now supporting the captain.

As it would turn out, though, that support had consequences for the workers. While Saucedo and the day laborers went to a San Francisco Police Commission hearing on March 26, five of the workers spoke in favor of Corrales being reinstated if the charges are dropped.

According to one of the workers, Dindrako Zelaya, Saucedo attempted to get all the workers to sign a letter against Corrales to present at the hearing, but the five laborers refused.

Two days later, Zelaya said, they were kicked out of the program.

Also, according to Zelaya, Saucedo then accused the five men of being "traitors."

"I don't know Willie Brown, but she says, 'You are Willie Brown's spy,'" he said.

Zelaya, along with fellow worker Julio Arredondo, spoke against Saucedo at Tuesday afternoon's Board of Supervisors meeting, in which they said they were kicked out of the Day Labor Program "just because we are not in agreement with Renee Saucedo."

"Our fight in this country is not against the police," Zelaya said. "It's not against Captain Corrales. It's against unfair employers. She doesn't respect the freedom of speech."

Saucedo, on the other hand, said that the five men were kicked out as a result of a majority vote by the rest of the day laborers.

"(Workers getting fired) happens every day," she said.

The reason: because, according to Saucedo, "they've allied themselves with the neighbors who have decided that they want day laborers off of César Chávez Street."

When asked why those workers, who still look for work on that street, take sides with those who want the workers off the street, she said she doesn't know.

At the Police Commission hearing, a letter was given to the Police Commission last Wednesday afternoon with signatures from 50 workers requesting Corrales' removal from Mission Station, even if he is reinstated.

Meanwhile, a separate letter signed by 10 others, including Zelaya and Arredondo, was given to the commission, asking the organization to deny Saucedo's request to have Corrales removed.

"We have met with the captain and believe that he has our best interests in his heart," the letter read. "Without a doubt, we know that he supports the workers' right to find jobs."

Currently, the day laborers' job situation is in a sad state, according to the workers. The letter to the Police Commission said that day laborers only get "two to three hours of work every two to three weeks," and that Saucedo puts her political agenda before the need for workers to get jobs.

"In place of jobs, we are told to march against the police captain (Corrales)," the letter said. "The agency should be finding jobs for us. Instead, they fight to have the captain removed."

Mike Miller Quintana, who lives on César Chavez Street and talks to many of the workers, also said that Saucedo uses the program for her own political game.

"The purpose of the program is to get people jobs," Quintana said. "But it's really a political football. She's not interested in talking. She calls anybody who disagrees with her a racist.

"She doesn't know how to get them jobs," Quintana added. "That never even comes up with her."

The next Police Commission hearing is scheduled for Friday, April 4, with a number of Mission residents believing that Corrales will be cleared of any wrongdoing.

Meanwhile, the Day Labor Program has been officially given to the Volunteers of America, an Oakland-based organization. As a result, Saucedo, along with La Raza Centro Legal, has filed a lawsuit against the City of San Francisco, including Mayor Willie Brown and Mayor's Office of Neighborhood Services representatives Ron Vinson and Sergio Canjura.