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PROPOSITION N STANDS FOR NIGHTMARE, A PRE-HALLOWEEN FESTIVAL OF RESISTENCE

by GAY SHAME (gayshamesf [at] yahoo.com)
October 25th 5:30 pm at Webster and Chestnut Streets, San Francisco Gay Shame plans to take on Gavin Newsom's Proposition N, misnamed "Care Not Cash", in his home turf with a pre-Halloween Festival of Resistence in the Marina District. Events include an Exploitation Runway, a Gavin Newsom Look-Alike Contest, and food and music will be provided. Dress to ragged, stultifying, terrifying excess and join us in the Marina to defeat Prop N!
GAY SHAME PRESENTS
PROP "N" STANDS FOR NIGHTMARE:
A PRE-HALLOWEEN FESTIVAL OF RESISTANCE

Contact: (415)540-2947 gayshamesf [at] yahoo.com
http://www.gayshamesfbay.org

Friday, October 25th, 5:30 PM, Webster and Chestnut Streets, in the spooky Marina District of San Francisco. Gay Shame announces a festival of resistance in opposition to Supervisor Gavin Newsom’s brutal Proposition N, also known as Care Not Cash. Although proponents claim Proposition N would help homeless people, it would actually slash General Assistance for homeless San Franciscans to the preposterous amount of $59 a month (less than two dollars a day). Since GA recipients are required to work 40 hours a month doing important public works' jobs like sweeping sidewalks and washing Muni busses, this reduction in funding would essentially cut their hourly wage to $1.84. This could not possibly satisfy even the most basic needs of any individual. Care Not Cash really means Scare and Bash.

Gay Shame calls on all participants to dress to absolutely terrifying, ragged, devastating excess in order to expose the hypocrisy of a policy that pretends to help homeless people, but really criminalizes poverty. We encourage people to bring out their Halloween finery to show who is the scariest in all of San Francisco-- there will be an award for the best impersonation of Gavin Newsom. We will bring a Haunted ShantyTown to the Marina District, where Newsom owns several upscale businesses and serves as Supervisor. This festival of resistance will use biting satire to hold Newsom accountable for his attempt to further displace homeless people. Gavin Newsom is the real public nuisance.

Newsom castigates homeless people for wasting their entire General Assistance checks on alcohol and drugs, while Newsom makes his living by selling alcohol at posh establishments, including Plumpjack Winery, Balboa Café, Squaw Valley Inn, and MatrixFillmore. Proposition N purports to redirect public funds from cash assistance to services, when in reality it virtually eliminates aid and provides no new services. The real agenda of Prop N is, as campaign literature states, to "remove the incentive for homeless people to congregate in San Francisco." In other words, Prop N prioritizes property values and tourism over people’s lives. The purpose of the slogan "Care Not Cash" is to distract from this hidden agenda. San Franciscans who really care will take to the streets on October 25th, in a spectacular extravaganza that will redefine and reinvigorate direct action.

GAY SHAME is a radical alternative to the gay mainstream and the increasingly complacent left. We seek nothing less than a new queer activism that addresses issues of race, class, gender, and sexuality, to counter the self-serving "values" of the gay mainstream. We are dedicated to fighting the rabid assimilationist monster of corporate gay "culture" with a devastating mobilization of queer brilliance. GAY SHAME is a celebration of resistance: all are welcome.
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by cp
that's half an hour before the costume oriented critical mass starting at p.w. Hermann plaza at 6:30. You should try to lure the people over with pumpkins on their heads etc. beforehand.
People should be in town for the 26th and alot of people want something based more around class than the IAC demos so...
by wondering
I thought Critical Mass had an ally in Gavin Newsom, he sure has represented for them on a lot of bike issues. Would they really bite the hand that feeds them by taking a CM to the Marina District to protest his neofascist policies?
by Ratso~~
That's a relatively quiet corner. Why not hold the demo at busier intersections in the vicinity like Chestnut & Fillmore, Lombard & Fillmore, or directly in front of Newsom HQ: Greenwich & Fillmore?
by Ratso~~
That's a relatively quiet corner. Why not hold the demo at busier intersections in the vicinity like Chestnut & Fillmore, Lombard & Fillmore, or directly in front of Newsom HQ: Greenwich & Fillmore?
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by Richard (rkmlai [at] yahoo.com)
... and Mussolini made the trains in Italy run on time.
critical mass and gavin newsom?
by wondering • Monday October 21, 2002 at 08:31 PM

I thought Critical Mass had an ally in Gavin Newsom, he sure has represented for them on a lot of bike issues. Would they really bite the hand that feeds them by taking a CM to the Marina District to protest his neofascist policies?
by Nick
Prop N seems like a good idea to me.

SF has the highest general assistance payments of any city in the Bay Area and one of the worst homeless problems. Why not redirect some of this money to homeless services? If the proponents fail to do this, THEN you will have something to protest.

Does anyone who is protesting Prop N have any type of viable SOLUTION to the problem of homelessness (short of anarchy or total revolution)? Or should we just let the deplorable status quo continue?

-A confused leftist
by Confused
Prop N seems like a good idea to me.

SF has the highest general assistance payments of any city in the Bay Area and one of the worst homeless problems. Why not redirect some of this money to homeless services? If the proponents fail to do this, THEN you will have something to protest.

Does anyone who is protesting Prop N have any type of viable SOLUTION to the problem of homelessness (short of anarchy or total revolution)? Or should we just let the deplorable status quo continue?

-A confused leftist
by blech
read
http://www.sfbg.com/36/51/x_oped.html

there is nothing leftist about saving money by reducing funding to the poorest people in our society
by give me a break
We just went through a bunch of evictions supported by Newsom and his crowd, and then the economy collapsed....

And now these people are trying to blame homelessness in the city on the amount of aid the city gives them.

Newsom and his ilk are the worst of the worst, rich yuppies who want to make EVEN MORE off the backs of the poorest members of our society when jobs are hard to find and housing is still overpriced.
by anarchist
Does anyone who is protesting Prop N have any type of viable SOLUTION to the problem of homelessness (short of anarchy or total revolution)? Or should we just let the deplorable status quo continue?

Hey dumbass, have you ever even looked at any antiPropN literature? Of course there is a fucking counterplan, it has been hyped for the last 2 years.

Or are you another fascist from New York who doesnt know anything about SF or life here on the west coast and you just want to shove your bullshit down our throat?
by East Bay Commuter
I don’t think the general public has heard of the counter plan to Prop N? If it has been hyped for the last 2 years then how come no one has heard of it and why hasn't it been discussed? Please show the details of this counter plan that's been hyped for the last 2 years. Is it Prop O that you are talking about (it’s closer to 7-8 months than 2 years), because Prop O will probably pass along with Prop N. Most people see the necessities of giving both care and affordable housing. If not Prop O, what is this counter plan?
by KQED
Leland Johnson, M.F.W.
Outreach Worker, Berkeley Mental Health

Mr. Johnson worked with the homeless and mental health consumers in Berkeley, California, for more than a decade, before he helped form Berkeley's new Assertive Community Treatment program, which consists of teams of clinicians, social workers, and other professionals who by sharing resources increase the time and services they can deliver to mental health clients,--many of whom are homeless.

I've always been sort of dedicated to community work. That's just ingrained in me, and my family. My approach is, I've always believed you need to engage the person. That's the first step. And you really need to know their story, and know what they want for themselves. Then you can begin to work toward that direction. It's like you are helping them reclaim their history--because it can get so lost in the psychosis. So I try to work with people to piece it back together. What you see on the street, over and over, again, is that homelessness is about loss. So it's about helping them cope with the loss and sort of regain their lives.

There are really magical moments that happen in this work--those moments where you have the mother thanking you for reconnecting her with her child who has been on the street for 20 years.

I remember there was this one homeless woman who had been out there on the streets that long. Her family, they had come out here several times, trying to look for her, but couldn't find her. I spent a couple of years tracking her on the outreach team, and I could see she was obviously disabled. (Plus) poor hygiene, not eating well out there. She used to wear rings on her fingers and get gangrene. And what was happening was the system wasn't working. People would go to the hospital, but there would never be any aftercare or connection to services.

Now that's what we do with the Assertive Community Treatment Team: When they get in the hospital we maybe can catch them in the hospital, develop a relationship and try to get them stabilized. This was the case with her. We used to meet at the frozen yogurt store and I'd buy yogurts for her, then slowly, I'd say, "Well, I could get you in a motel room," then in board and care. Eventually, she got in this board and care, and I had been encouraging, "We could reconnect with your family, you know." The mother and father had wanted to reconnect with her, because the father was sick and maybe wasn't going to be around much longer. The one thing he wanted to do in his life was to see his daughter one more time.

Finally, she agreed. I called information--she was from Iowa. And just as information was giving me the number in one ear, she was giving me the number in the other ear. It was the same number after 20 years. It was like, "I had the number all along, but now I'm ready to use it."

What was interesting is she had had children 20 years ago, and they were little kids when she had gone on the street, and now her grandchildren were the same exact age as when she had left her children. So she was going back to see her daughter again, and see her grandchildren. That's what this work is about, reuniting families. This is why I do what I do.
Leftist are always confused. That's why you're leftist.

Anarchist are just dumbasses. Their solutions aren't worth considering.

As a leftist, you should be in favor of what leftist always do. If there's a problem, just throw more money at it. Obviously government hasn't grown quite big enough yet and the only solution is to have the government take care of everyone from cradle to grave.

It's funny to read where writers on here consider this to be a right-wing proposal. Of course if you're as far to the left as a lot of these people are even Chomsky is a right wing radical. Prop N is nothing more than a typical left wing Democratic Party ploy to grow the size and services the government provides for the people. Make all the people dependent upon Big Brother, no self-sufficiency, no accountability, no responsibility. As more and more people become dependent upon the government to do their thinking for them, their power grows. They feed you. They clothe you. They give you shelter. They give you jobs. All things are provided for you FREE OF CHARGE by your friends the Democrats. Zombies walk to the polls. Got to pull that Democratic Party lever, got to pull that Democratic Party lever, got to pull that Democratic Party lever.
by leaf
"Prop N is nothing more than a typical left wing Democratic Party ploy to grow the size and services the government provides for the people"

R obviously hasn't looked much into the proposition himself, since it guarentees no services at all.

Go do your homework R before you post on here.
by J
>> Make all the people dependent upon Big Brother, no self-sufficiency, no accountability, no responsibility. As more and more people become dependent upon the government to do their thinking for them, their power grows. They feed you. They clothe you. They give you shelter. They give you jobs. All things are provided for you FREE OF CHARGE by your friends the Democrats. <<

Unfortunately, the government is growing under both the Republicans and the democrats. I saw one of my dad's paychecks from the 1940s awhile ago and it was depressing. About 10 percent taken in taxes. I get well over 40 percent taken from me. How is anyone supposed to save any money when the government takes it all? I used to laugh at my dad when he said people in his day were responsible for themselves. Now I'm thinking it's not a bad idea.

Why should I work my ass off all day while some homeless a*hole can s**t on the sidewalk and just have money thrown at them by the government.

I will jump with joy when Prop N passes (though the joy will probably be short-lived because, as usual, the will of the people will be subverted by an activist judge somewhere who somehow finds that the constitution requires us to give all our money to the homeless)
by ......
I suppose you feel the same way about the billions that goes to the military and billions more going to corporate handouts. If you feel at all proportionately upset at each dollar of yours given away you would be alot angrier at CEOs and generals than some homeless guy who it would take millions of to equal the feast the rich are having on your money.
by Isolationist
We spend billions on Social Security, Welfare, the Environment, Education, Paying Down the Deficit, Foreign Aid, and several other items as well.

Your argument on how much is spent would be better served if broke it down to the Percentage Level of the Federal/State Budget that actually goes to the different sectors.
by Isolationist
But I’m afraid that the Pie Chart and the source you got this from is a little bias. The fail to mention how much we spend in paying down the national debt and social security and Medicare.

It’s almost like going to the GOP site for an analysis of the budget. I took a look a couple of the links and the two that seem to portray an unbiased sense of budget spending is http://www.natprior.org and http://www.cbpp.org.
by city voter
I'm having difficult deciding how to vote on this issue. I am going to vote on it, make no bones about that.

On the one hand, giving cash to homeless people has not helped their plight. And true enough, many of them spend the money on drugs probably within the first few days if not hours of having received the cash, and then they are back in the street begging and panhandeling. On the other hand, the money taken away can be shifted towards providing services the money they were receiving was meant to be used for, namely food, clothes and shelter. But we're putting that money in the hands of government bureacrats and we all know just how efficient they are at prudently using our tax revenues.

So I'm basing my vote on more reliable information. If the Giants win the Series AND Simon is leading in the polls come election day AND the Warriors are being picked to win the NBA Championship by the major sports writers THEN I'll vote No on prop N. Any one of those don't appear to be the case, I'll vote Yes.
As explored inthe public television documentary and Web site Hope on the Street, families and relatives of people with mental illness can be confronted with a range of difficult situations as they struggle to support their loved ones. Get connected with these resources -- the services and information range from what to do when your loved one is involuntarily detained to what do after finding out your loved one is living on the streets.

A client has traveled out of state and needs help.
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Use the U.S. Mental Health Information Center's Service Locator (http://www.mentalhealth.org/default.asp) to select any state and find contact information for state agencies and community mental health organizations and self-help groups.

A client has been involuntarily detained. What can I do?
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* Call the facility where the client is being held. Talk to the person in charge of their care, either on the phone or, preferably, in person.
* Contact your county Patients' Rights advocate (http://www.kqed.org/tv/productions/baywindow/hope/patientrights.html) to find out about the rights of the client and how patient confidentiality rules will affect your ability to help this person.
* Find out if the client will receive phone calls. Being 5150'd can be a disturbing experience, so talk to the client and ask how you can make the transition after discharge easier.

A client is homeless and wants to live on the street. What can I do?
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Several counties have special outreach teams that reach out to people who are homeless and living on the streets. The AB2034 programs for the homeless/mentally ill are active in 27 counties. For further information, call your county's 24-Hour Multilingual Crisis Intervention and Assessment number (http://www.kqed.org/tv/productions/baywindow/hope/crisis.html).

Find out if your community has a homeless coalition and attend meetings. Find out what services and supports exist in your community for homeless clients.

Know Your Rights
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People with mental illness have the same inalienable rights that all citizens have. Here are some resources for guidance for you or your loved one in maintaining control over the treatment and recovery.

* Read the Patient Rights Advocacy Manual (http://www.camhpra.org/id47.htm) produced by the California Association of Mental Health Patient's Rights Advocates. It covers 20 topics, ranging from advocacy skills to seclusion and use of restraints to patient's rights and confidentiality to treatment of minors.
* If you have a complaint with services in the public or private sector, contact a Patient's Rights advocate (http://www.kqed.org/tv/productions/baywindow/hope/patientrights.html) through the California Office of Patient Rights, which contracts with the California Department of Mental Health to ensure adherence to mental health laws and the rights of patients. The office has direct advocacy services on-site at four state hospitals, and responds to patients' complaints.

Some clients prepare a legal document, called a psychiatric advance directive, to express their wishes in the event of a future crisis or possible involuntary commitment. The Bazelon Center for Mental Health Law (http://www.bazelon.org/issues/advancedirectives/index.htm) offers a set of templates for preparing a psychiatric advance directive.
by take on Gavin Newsom tonight
This was just posted to the public sf-critical-mass [at] topica.com email list:

Date: Thu, 24 Oct 2002 09:37:32 -0700
From: Jym Dyer <jym [at] econet.org>
Reply-To: sf-critical-mass [at] topica.com
To: sfbike [at] topica.com, sf-critical-mass [at] topica.com
Subject: Hallowe'en Ride -- SCARE not Cash

=v= Get out yer costumes, because Hallowe'en on wheels comes
early this year: Critical Mass is tomorrow!

=v= Some folks are having a protest and street party against
Gavin Newsom's idiotic so-called "Care Not Cash" ballot
initiative (okay, so I guess we all know where I stand on this
thing). They'll be in the Marina at 5:30, the same time as CM,
but they are inviting the Mass to swing by. It sounds like fun,
especially the Gavin Newsom Look-A-Like Contest.

=v= Details below. I think they'll have fliers at the ride.
<_Jym_>

P.S.: I'm not an organizer for this protest; just passing along
some information. The Mass goes where it goes, y'know?

------- Forwarded Message

Gavin Lies
There is no care in care not cash.

Prop N would reduce General Assistance for homeless San
Franciscans to the preposterous level of $59/month, while
creating no new services. Prop N prioritizes property
values and toursim over people's lives.

Resist Gavin Newsom's Hidden Agenda!

The Event: Prop N Stands for Nightmare:
A Pre-Halloween Festival of Resistance

In the spooky Marina District Friday, Oct. 25th 5:30pm

Special Feature:
The Exploitation Runway and Gavin Newsom look a like contest.

Folks are encouraged to dress up in their spookest attire as
well as bring creative expressions against the exploitation of
the poor in our city.

------- End of Forwarded Message

by National Coalition for Homeless Veterans (nchv [at] nchv.org)
Who are homeless veterans?

The U. S. Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) says homeless veterans are mostly males (2 % are females). The vast majority are single, most come from poor, disadvantaged communities, 45% suffer from mental illness, and half have substance abuse problems. America’s homeless veterans have served in World War II, Korean War, Cold War, Vietnam, Grenada, Panama, Lebanon, or the military’s anti-drug cultivation efforts in South America. Forty-seven percent of homeless veterans served during the Vietnam Era. More than 67% served our country for at least three years and 33% were stationed in a war zone.

How many homeless veterans are there?

Although accurate numbers are impossible to come by ... no one keeps national records on homeless veterans ... the VA estimates that more than 275,000 veterans are homeless on any given night. And, more than half-a million experience homelessness over the course of a year. Conservatively, one out of every four homeless males who is sleeping in a doorway, alley, or box in our cities and rural communities has put on a uniform and served our country ... now they need America to remember them.

Why are veterans homeless?

In addition to the complex set of factors affecting all homelessness… extreme shortage of affordable housing, livable income, and access to health care… a large number of displaced and at-risk veterans live with lingering effects of Post Traumatic Stress Disorder and substance abuse, compounded by a lack of family and social support networks.

A top priority is secure, safe, clean housing that is free of drugs and alcohol, and has a supportive environment.

While "most homeless people are single, unaffiliated men… most hosing money in existing federal homelessness programs, in contrast, is devoted to helping homeless families or homeless women with dependant children," according to "Is Homelessness a Housing Problem?" in Understanding Homelessness: New Policy and Research Perspectives published by Fannie Mae Foundation, 1997.

Doesn’t the Department of Veterans Affairs take care of homeless veterans?

To a certain degree, yes. According to the VA’s 1997 report, in the years since it "began responding to the special needs of homeless veterans, its homeless treatment and assistance network has developed into the Nation’s largest provider of homeless services. Serving more than 40,000 veterans annually."

With an estimated 500,000 veterans homeless, at some time during a year, the VA reaches less than 10% of those in need ... leaving 460,000 veterans still without services.

Since 1987, VA’s programs for homeless veterans have emphasized collaboration with community service providers.

What services do veterans need?

Veterans need a coordinated effort that provides secure housing and nutritional meals; essential physical health care, substance abuse aftercare and mental health counseling; and, personal development and empowerment. Veterans also need job assessment, training and placement assistance.

NCHV strongly believes that all programs to assist homeless veterans must focus on helping veterans reach the point where they can obtain and sustain employment.

What seems to work best?

The most effective programs for homeless and at-risk veterans are community-based, nonprofit, vets helping vet groups. Programs that seem to work best feature transitional housing with the camaraderie of living in structured, substance-free environments with fellow veterans who are succeeding at bettering themselves. Because government money for homeless veterans is currently limited and serves only one in 10 of those in need, it is critical that community groups reach out to help provide the support, resources and opportunities most Americans take for granted: housing, employment and health care.

There are about 200 community-based veteran organizations across the country that have demonstrated impressive success reaching homeless veterans. These groups are most successful when they work in collaboration with Federal, State, and local government agencies, other homeless providers, and veteran service organizations. Veterans who participate in these programs have a higher chance of becoming tax-paying, productive citizens again.

What can you do?

* Determine the need in your community. Visit with homeless veteran providers. Contact local mayor’s office for a list of providers.
* Involve others. If you are not already part of an organization, pull together a few people who might be interested in attacking this issue.
* Participate in local homeless coalitions. Chances are there is one in your community. If not, this may be the time to start bringing people together around this critical need.
* Send a financial donation to your local homeless veteran provider.
* Contact your elected officials, and discuss what is being done in your community for homeless veterans.
by Coyote
What a bunch of idiots.
by Coyote
What a bunch of idiots. What sort of responsibility is there for people who accept general assistance? Do they expect us to happily subsidize people's drug habits? I live in SoMa, and the number of dead homeless people spikes on the 1st and 15th. I don't like subsidizing that.

Coyote
by coffee
There's a big difference between caffeine and cocaine and heroin. If you don't know the difference, you don't need to comment.
by cp
Seattle has a ballot initiative for whether to put a tax on lattes, but not ordinary coffee. I'm not sure if it's favored to pass though. I went for a couple days without coffee last month, and I didn't get a headache so I don't know if it's that addictive, but I'm up to 5-6 cups again.
In this election, there are several spending bills to vote against. There is always this common picture that republicans are fiscally conservative and so the best mix is someone like Jesse Ventura who is socially liberal and fiscally conservative - but it's not true. Look who always runs up national debts. Plus, which party is behind the huge road construction bills. Here state prop. 51 would direct lots of money to widening freeways, and it is the same in Seattle/washington state. They want to spend $10 billion on adding lanes to a freeway bypassing Seattle, and $15 billion on replacing a highway/freeway hybrid with an underground tunnel, where the tunnel would be below sea level, and the road doesn't really get that much traffic anyway. $15 billion would be $30,000 each for every citizen of Seattle, and so everyone could have a college education or a new SUV, or this stupid tunnel. They might as well just tear up the road entirely and forget it. Anyway, the republicans are behind that, I'd bet. There is a good article higher up on the indymedia newswire today that claims that the bay bridge retrofit could have been done for under $1 billion, whereas now for a fancier design it costs $4 billion, or $120/person in the state.
by cp
actually, what do you think about dry indian land? should they stop doing that?
§r
by r
end of story, yeah, what a laugh. theres a much bigger difference between caffeine and hard drugs like cocaine and herion, just like theres a difference between a common cold and cancer. you can either comprehend the analogy or you cant. if you cant thats the very reason people who are not able to are ignored and deserve to be marginalized. sux dont it.
by black lung
smoking pot has all the health hazards of smoking cigarettes in addition to those from the

we know how Californians feel about cigarettes, but when it comes to pot, they're hypocrites

if we are trying to encourage as many people as possbile to give up (legal) smoking and banning it from as many public areas as possible, how can we in turn be so supportive of pot which may be even more lethal?

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Study Finds Marijuana Ingredient Promotes Tumor Growth, Impairs Anti-Tumor Defenses

Researchers report in the July 2000 issue of the Journal of Immunology that tetrahydrocannabinol (THC), the major psychoactive component of marijuana, can promote tumor growth by impairing the body's anti-tumor immunity system. While previous research has shown that THC can lower resistance to both bacterial and viral infections, this is the first time that its possible tumor-promoting activity has been reported.

A team of researchers at UCLA's Jonsson Comprehensive Cancer Center found in experiments in mice that THC limits immune response by increasing the availability of two forms (IL-10 and TGF-ß) of cytokine, a potent, tumor-specific, immunity suppresser. The authors also suggest that smoking marijuana may be more of a cancer risk than smoking tobacco. The tar portion of marijuana smoke, compared to that of tobacco, contains higher concentrations of carcinogenic hydrocarbons, including benzapyrene, a key factor in promoting human lung cancer. And marijuana smoke deposits four times as much tar in the respiratory tract as does a comparable amount of tobacco, thus increasing exposure to carcinogens.

Dr. Steven M. Dubinett, head of the research team that conducted the study, says, "What we already know about marijuana smoke, coupled with our new finding that THC may encourage tumor growth, suggests that regular use of marijuana may increase the risk of respiratory tract cancer and further studies will be needed to evaluate this possibility." ...
http://www.nih.gov/news/pr/jun2000/nida-20.htm
by black lung
If people are dying by the tens of thousands from french-fry related cancers, then by all mean it would require regulation.

I don't by the my body/my choice argument because the healthy, who choose not to smoke, end up paying the HUGE medical costs of those who willingly smoked.

If it really is your body/your choice/ it's also your responsibility

Smokers, do us all a favor and form your own insurance group to cover your costs. If you don't end up shaking the habit because the premiums are too high, then by all means go ahead and smoke till you drop.
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by ?
Do I care if people drive on the streets drinking coffee or smoking cigarettes? No. Do I care if people using cocaine or heroin are driving on the streets? Yes. You either understand why that's so or you don't. I'm can't babysit.

If some people with a common cold die while most (?) people with cancer recover, given the choice between having a common cold and having cancer, which would you rather have?
by N
With the expected passage of California proposition N, a wave of death is already taken to our fair city. Already it is being reported that just by Prop N being on the ballot, over sixty million people have died. By the time the ballots have been counted, it is expected that over three hundred and eighty six trillion people will have died as a result of this evil hatemongering populace who sees only themselves and doesn't care enough about the poor and homeless to give them money every month to support their ever increasing drug habits which was forced upon them by society at large and of which they bear no responsibility whatever. We're all going to die because of this. I hope you're happy.
by Real Anarchist
N: That's pretty good. You made me smile. :)
by Real Anarchist
N: That's pretty good. You made me smile. :)
by ..........
"real anarchist" is a right wing fraud
by Real Anarchist
Accusing others of being "the enemy" is a classic disinformation technique.
by billy glover (billygloverhic [at] hotmail.com)
It seems to me that it is just as evil for a gay group to attack another gay group as it is for the anti-bigots to attack us.
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