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Michael Moore versus Charlton Heston (by Latuff)

by Latuff (latuff [at] uninet.com.br)
Seeing the new movie of Michael Moore, "Bowling for Columbine", this idea came to my mind. I just sent a message to him expressing my support to his honest and courageous views. This cartoon was made specially for ya, Michael...
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by jackasscity (jackasscity [at] jackasscity.org)
Get fucked, michael moore is an asshole. send him to france.
by sds
fuck on u jackass
by warisgood (paultatela [at] hotmail.com)
i know a warm dark place mike can plant that camera
by warisgood (paultatela [at] hotmail.com)
i know a warm dark place mike can plant that camera
by Mr.Petrucci
I felt the same way after watching the film...
I lost my respect toward Mr.Heston...it was ridiculous of him leaving the place when Moore took out that girl's photo!
Everyone who disagree with Moore in most of the aspects he mentioned is a moron!
CHEERZ!
by An INDEPENDENT voter!
Moore's honest and courageous views? I'd better go find some Limbaugh fans to counteract you... after all, some people must also think he has "honest and courageous" views... but I don't think he makes "documentaries" with lies found throughout.

I hope you are kidding about losing your respect towards Heston.... if not, you're a complete idiot. If you are kidding, well, I cannot detect sarcasm on the internet.

See, Moore's interviews with Heston were edited... he cuts and pastes Heston's answers to his specific questions.
If you've ever seen the episode of the Simpsons when Homer "sexually harasses" the college student, and then gives an interview with a TV show (Rock Bottom? I cannot recall the name), you'd know what I'm talking about.
by soybean
the funny(or sad?) thing about "the simpsons" is that 89% of the people who watch it don't understand the sarcasm and the ironic humor in it.

why schould anyone with some brain cells left in his head have respect towards Mr. Heston? maybe the IDEPENDENT voter should think first before making up his mind and offending a person who cares for his people and the whole world.
but back to Heston: he should have respect for people who have lost their children or friends because of fucking GUNS. why is someone like he supported?
michael moore doesn't need lies, what for would he? his aim is not power or money, he wants to tell you the truth, to open up your eyes for what is happening in the world. and for doing this, lies are completely unnecessary.
but someone who is manipulated that much might not be able to understand what i'm trying to say.

it's a pity that people who are courageous enough for raising their voice always are attacked because some folks don't want to see what is happening in front of their eyes.

by the way, sad picture. but i think in reality it's not that hopeless.

(P.S.: i'm sorry for grammar faults and all that stuff)
Hey listen up.. Whoever says Michael Moore is a stupid fuck, is surely an ignorant kid in denial, of whats happening in the country.. People may say a lot of dumb stuff just keep theyr love. - Aw, I meant GUN..

That old fart Heston is just a stubborn man, too ignorant and proud to realize whats goin on.. AND a number one childish coward for walking away !

We just have face that we DO get brainwashed by the media.. -putting fear in our subconciousness, and the fact that only a few percentage of the people of the United Empire of America really understands the politics that the White House administration is running..... SAD SAD SAD... Not many realizes that eg. our country has been intentionally making conflicts in the middle east and profitting from it by providing them ... You know the answer, but in case you dont: GUNS... Think about it, you who are still not enlightened..
by Che lives in me
Mike is the probably one of my most respected ppl (really he's on my list) and i just want to say: Nice name jackass city, it suits you
by pointer
this:

http://www.sfbg.com/nessie/33.html
by joe (joe [at] hotmail.com)
Pretty sad to see you comparing this to a Simpson's episode. However, what was said about the NRA having their 'rallies' days after the trajedies that happened is FACT. The NRA are selfish S.O.Bs that lack brains and consciences and should be shut down. Leaders like Heston (and I use leader very lightly) should be ashamed of themselves and their actions.

People like that, which have such ignorance and attitude towards human life, should be taken out of ALL places in our government and society where they can try and use their positions to influence others.

That my friends is the problem with the US today. Because not enough people stand up to people like Heston and slap him in the mouth and say: "what the hell is wrong with you???? Where is your respect for life and your fellow man??"

by gun owner
who have sold out their constituants.
by observer
Moore is NOT a dumbass. He is a very intelligent man who is bent on influencing public opinion against the right to own guns. Even if you don't like Moore, he'll impress you with the documentary. Truth and facts are not his strong points. He deliberately distorts, takes things out of context, and constructs his documentaries in a fashion to trick people into believing a certain way.

He ties gun ownership to violence in America and makes us believe that if there were not guns, there would be less violent.

I will not offer an opinion on that matter, but urge anyone interested to do THEIR OWN research on the effect that gun banning has had on crime in Australia and England.

Whether or not gun laws improve crime or not is irrelavent (they WILL NOT lower crime), but our second amendment and the intent of the founding fathers for us to own guns is clear. And Moore is a propogandist seeking to destroy that.
by hojo
Is Michael Moore the only American who deserve to live ?

Some of your comments make me think "Yes"

Ok, send him to us frenchies ! MM is too good for you, born, and raised as pigs !
by Guns Save Lives
The cities in America with the worst crime rates are those with the most gun control. Where I live, criminals think twice about committing crimes against anyone, because there is that chance that they'll meet a gun. Bad guys in NY, D.C., and Chicago do not have as much fear.

Why should we condemn innocent people, especially women, by taking away their right to bear arms in self-defence?

What happened to being pro-choice? Shouldn't women be able to choose whether to own a gun?
by Fred
That went out when the Republicans got the voting machines.

Michael Moore seems to be driving with no steering wheel - he's using a black man on death row to step on on his path to fame, he's virtually endorsed a NATO Supreme Commander as the 'Democrat' for president, he's helping to set-up Saudi Arabia for the next occupation with his 9/11 scenario of pointing it all at them, etc., etc.

His guns thing is equally bizarre - the movie would have been great if it had looked at the deeper picture more, and the numbers of guns less. It says that guns aren't the issue themselves, but then uses the Heston interview to push Mike into more fame. It was a good interview, but if the numbers of guns aren't really at the heart of the problem of violence, then what is the relevance of it except to associate Mike with anti-NRA, which draws more progressives in?

I agree with the views often expressed on whatreallyhappened.com - taking the guns away from the people is the way towards complete control of the people. Look at North Korea - would they even exist as a soverign state right now if not for their nukes? It's the same thing on a smaller scale with guns and citizens and their governments.

The camera only replaces the gun in an idealized world - we aren't there yet, not by a longshot.

And take a look at the state of our government right now - we have multiple criminals in office, and our 'president' has ordered the murders of many people using electricity in his home state. You think he's going to give a shit about anyone's life when his interests are at stake? Why the fuck should anyone not have a gun when our unelected leaders are convicted criminals?

Progressives are losing their rights over their own bodies to the voting machines and the fear of the Democrats to dare even look at that issue - not to mention their loss of spine on virtually all other relevant issues - and here they are falling for the 'guns are bad' thing.

Guns will be all we have left the way things are going now.
by Raddy (raddy002 [at] aol.com)
i cant beleive all u americans think it is right to carry guns...are u completely insane..michael moore is a genius after watchin his documentary i felt shocked and sickened by heston. how can one person be so heartless!! to those who say the number of guns isnt the problem i would agree as canada has over 7million guns and yet very few deaths from guns. the ameican media and government however i would blame. the media has focused on how many deaths there are each year and always covers the deaths on t.v this shows the youths gun violence from a young age. the government is also responisble, there should be strick rules to follow about guns and if no-one carried a gun then there would be no-one to be affraid of surely?? well thats all i have to say
by sensible french girl (laptitemiminette [at] hotmail.com)
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sorry but i think some of you are really dumbass!
I'm a french girl of 15years old (so excuse me for my bad english) and Michael Moore is just my hero!
All of you are just blind because of the medias, because of your president, because of lies!Really, you need to OPEN YOUR EYES! all you know is what you see on tv! you should stop right now believing them and start to be interested in over-sea!Amercica is big, but eh! we are here! and if you don't know anything about us, about children who are killed every fucking day in Irak, about what bush gave to saddam in the past (yeh, i talk about the 3billions $ so get informed!!!) it's because your government want you to be incultivated. So you ask me why....WHY? Of course because incultivated people are very easy to manipulate!And this is what's happening in USA!
Medias frighten you, they can tell what they want (..or what bush want them to tell....hum...) you believe them!!
Once more, open your eyes! watch your tv! all you see is bad black people, bad irakiens, bad french, bad john kerry...!don't you realise it? well.....i don't know how i can explain it! Michael Moore knows how to explain it better than me!
Have you just saw his film? well, so let's read his 3books and please, if you don't want to trust him, at least try to rebell you against ficticious american society!

PS: i love to debate with americans or english so if you want, my mail is laptitemiminette [at] hotmail.com ;just send me a mail or talk online :) thx
by Benny
Michael Moore is right, watching his video can really open your eyes to the shit that the media fills your head with. As it is clearly put in the documentary "Bowling for Columbine" the media focuses mainly on murders and violence to keep the American public scared enough to think that they will need guns to survive. And the N.R.A. is a group of violent people who think it is right to hold their rallies ten days after the Columbine massacre. Personally, I think they make me sick and they should realize that what they are doing is completely unethical. If I had to name one source for the violence in the United States of America, I would name the N.R.A. Congradulations
http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/may2004/052004nypostalex.htm
-The New York Post calls Moore's latest "Farenheit 911" film a plagerization of the great Alex Jone's film "(911: The Road to Tyranny". Unlike Alex, Moore is about making money by selling propaganda. And he's spending a lot of it on food and ballooning up like Marlon Brando. He's about to explode he's so fat. Hey! That makes him a walking bomb! Moore is a terrorist! Heston should have answered Moore's question in Columbine about "Why do you show up at these places where shootings happen and talk?" Heston should have said "We go there and put out the truth about guns and gun control because YOU PEOPLE DO!" Anti-freedom, anti-gun nuts like Moore and especially Sara Brady and Hollywierd actors came out after Columbine in the media with THEIR BS propaganda so of course the NRA (and better gun owners groups like GOA) come out to counter it. Socialistic politics has killed millions over the past decades, and socialist leaders always seek to disarm the sheeple before they really show their sinister teeth.
by Tycho (kiwipixel [at] hotmail.com)
great, just great- so what "scotty" is saying is that no-one is safe without a gun? that is possibly one of the most paranoid things i have ever heard- you need a gun to have your freedom- what the hell kind of freedom is that?- when you have kids shooting other kids, you have gun controll problembs, listen up man, as much as a few americans would like to believe it america is not the perfect example on the way a country should be run- America has some great policies but that dosn't mean that they cant take a look around- I live in N.Z- it's pretty hard to get a gun here, but i dont feel like i've had my freedom stripped away, i do however feel great that none of the schools need METAL-DETECTORS installed just to reassure parents .
by tychos
Reactionary?- i'm sorry what would you prefer that everyone sat on their asses and said "hmm we seem to have lots of people shooting eachother, lets do nothing"
contolling gun laws is an obvious solution.
by Eric (eric [at] neocolorado.com)
Hi,

There seems to be a lot of hate flying around. I'm sure this is because of such a sensitive subject. I have my opinions but prefer not to call either "side" complete asses. I'm sure you all have your reasons, whether your relative/friend got killed by guns in the hands of the criminal and had no "protection" or psychos with guns walking the streets (the opposite).

Unfortunately, a vast majority make their decisions on this issue because of extremists. Moore and Heston being perfect representatives. They simply abuse the media to herd the mindless sheep in the world (too bad there are so many that can't make up their own minds). I personally dislike them both but use good old fashioned common sense here. This is only my opinion and its only one scenario but if an intruder breaks into my home, I dont want a baseball bat up against his handgun.

We all know (except for a handful ignorant few) that handguns will be available to criminals and terrorists FOREVER. There is no device that "closes down" the handgun's functions just because we ban guns all together. I do agree its insane how kids can walk into a school and have their way with mass murder. I also agree that people shouldn't walk the streets with a sidearm just because they were "permitted".

I do not agree with taking away the opportunity to protect your family when someone walks in with a shotgun. Be realistic (keep it in context). Now if you people that hate having guns in this world would do this... invent a tazer that knocks out the criminal within a milisecond and paralyzes them (then i can take my baseball bat to their empty skull). I will lean more towards that idea than bringing a baseball bat to a gunfight.

My point is only this... whether you hate me or not, the criminals and theives will ALWAYS have access to guns. While i do not agree with these innocent lives taken on "accidents" with firearms or people that lost their minds and go on killing sprees. ENFORCING very strong gun laws could make things a lot easier to understand. They are just too sloppy right now.

Sorry but i had to express my opinion. I just think its amazing how extreme thoughts are on either side. I'm not a fence rider, but there are ways to do things without acting like idiots with rash decisions that lead to terrible results on either side. Consider all situations before making hasty comments or decisions.
by Lattuf
All I have to say is wow who would listen to a fat, hairy, bloated penguin?
by Latuff
Isn't this the guy who got the boos from HOLLYWOOD until he was forced off stage at the 2003 Oscars? --yes, that's him.
by team awesome
that's the hairy fatty with that "documentary" man, what a loser
by pointer
this:

http://www.sfimc.net/news/2004/06/1697900.php

by Atkins
Has anyone told that fatA$$ about the Atkins DIET??

I cant even stand to look at him much less LISTEN to him!
by Truth
Your are an idiot, and all who agree with her, I urge you to read this and if you still have anything else to say than i'll be amazed. There is SO MUCH INCORRECT, I had to actually divide them into GROUPS to prove my points on each idiotic claim.

Your statement:"I'm a french girl of 15years old (so excuse me for my bad english) and Michael Moore is just my hero! "

My reply: Well Its no suprise that your a Michael Moore fan(or should I say, victim), you're French! France really hasn't done SHIT besides hide behind us Americans, than later attack us, And if you don't know what im talking about, than your an idiot and I will inform you. How about a France company hiring some rapper to make an ANTI-American song? Remember WWII? When the WE ,the Americans you condone badmouthing so much, saved your faggot asses on Normandy beach? Without us, Nazi's would occupy your poor excuse for a country.

Your arrogant "ideal" : Amercica is big, but eh! we are here!

My reply: Doing jack shit, what have you done lately?

Your arrogant "ideal" (continued):and if you don't know anything about us, about children who are killed every fucking day in Irak,

My reply: Evedently you just counterdicted yourself, WE are the ones infact helping people in Iraq (which is how it is properly spelled), how many people did FRANCE free?
How many of FRANCES forces are in Iraq? NONE!

Your idiotic lie: about what bush gave to saddam in the past (yeh, i talk about the 3billions $ so get informed!!!)

My reply: That is a flat out lie, and there is no credable source that proves otherwise, and if anyone posts some URL to some lame ass news site that says otherwise, it is infact, not credable.

Your opinion: it's because your government want you to be incultivated. So you ask me why....WHY? Of course because incultivated people are very easy to manipulate!And this is what's happening in USA!

My reply: people in America being minipulated? Maybe by Michael Moore, but otherwise your full of shit lady. I dont think you have A REMOTE CLUE to anything your talking about. I have proved you wrong on almost every word you said. Your complaining about the USA? You have maybe never heard the saying "dont bite the hand that feeds you", Because I , and most americans have noticed you backstabbers (the French) taking cheap shots at america.


Your blind accusation: Once more, open your eyes! watch your tv! all you see is bad black people, bad irakiens, bad french, bad john kerry...!don't you realise it? well.....i don't know how i can explain it!

My correction: In reference to "bad black people", I see nothing but media coverage? There are good black people in television? Dr.Martin Luther King? CAACP?

Once again, your full of shit and proven wrong. There are good African American people covered by the media.

"Bad irakiens"? You mean, Terrorists? And again, i have seen GOOD iraqis on television, what about the brave ones who are taking steps to fight terrorism? What about the ones in the Iraqi police force? What about brave ones taking office?

Again, your proven wrong on your accusations that only bad deeds by iraqis are all that are shown by the media.

Regarding your accusation of a "Bad john kerry" , This just proves to me you are a total bufoon and have no idea what your talking about! What are you talking about, bad john kerry? You mean kill campaigns laucnched by people who disagree? Thats called DEMOCRACY, something i would expect a french moron like you wouldnt understand. If you take note, there are kill campaigns against george bush also.

YET AGAIN, you are proven wrong. (you make this so easy)

The only thing i do agree on is how you compromise and say you can't explain it, that just further proves my points.

Your idiotic claim:Michael Moore knows how to explain it better than me! Have you just saw his film? well, so let's read his 3books and please, if you don't want to trust him, at least try to rebell you against ficticious american society!

My reply: REBELL AGAINST fictiouse american society? You sound like some kind of idiotic anarchist. If michael moore knows how to explain it, than why dosent he? He just turned down to appear on larry king and talk about it. So you tell me why your beloved "Micheal Moore" can't fend for himself? I think you need to do your homework before you spew your daft ideals all over the internet.

Your threat:PS: i love to debate with americans or english so if you want, my mail is laptitemiminette [at] hotmail.com ;just send me a mail or talk online :) thx


My promise: Will do, and thank you, for proving all my points, i had little to NO work to do what so ever.
by timothée
hé bé caroline on te retrouve partout(sorry for my french, because i am 16 years old and i am a curse in french) j'attend impatiament demain pour lire ton livre de michael moore ton idole!!je te suis pour le "you are an idiot and a bufoon" déjà en ce temps la tu étais forte en anglais!bon courage pour ton bac cette année jtembrasse et a bientôt
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