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Fuck July 4th Mission District Protest!!
Looking to express your outrage, burn some amerikan flags, and participate in a diverse and serious opposition? Come to the Mission.
Don't celebrate Genocide, Slavery, and Brutality! The United Front calls all to make some noise to protest on the forth of July! We call all people of good will to stand with the people of the world on this forth of July in San Francisco at 24th and Mission st at 11 am, where the march will begin. We will peacefully, non-violently but militantly march, demonstrate, speak out, possibly burn flags, do street theater, leaflet, build our collective family of movement, and much more.
Why the forth of July? To quote Frederick Douglass:
"What to the American slave is your Fourth of July? I answer, a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciations of tyrants, brass-fronted impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are to him mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy-a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody, than our the people of these United States, at this very hour." (December 8, 1850)
What is the united front? It is newly emerging coalition of people including representatives from AIM (the American Indian Movement), The People's Resistance, Students for Justice,and others, who recognize that we must build mass movement in this country to end the terrorism being perpetrated here in the USA and around the globe!
Since September 11, the US government, who is the greatest terrorist in the world today, has been trying to convince us all that they are the victims. Objective reality tells a much different story. We know this will most likely be the biggest celebration since the bi-centennial. They are working overtime to rally as much patriotic spirit they can in hopes that we will forget the genocide and horrific crimes against humanity they have perpetrated and continue to lead. The forth of July in America is the greatest hypocrasy holiday in the world. The America ruling classes have bombed, killed, hung, incarcerated, enslaved, colonized and perpetrated more campaigns of genocide against the people of the world more than anyone. Here are some of the innumerable examples of their crimes, always framed in the name of freedom and justice.
Hundreds of millions of native Indian's killed in five hundred years! The greatest land theft in all of history. The extermination of the majority of our ancestors who are the original inhabitants of this land. The forcing of survivors onto and into reservations, concentration camps Nazi-style.
400 plus years of African enslavement, lynchings, institutional racism, mass incarceration and forced oppression! It is the stealing of African and Indian babies, raping of our womyn, and the terrorization for people!
America is responsible for stealing half of Mexican lands and the killing of hundreds of millions of la raza!
They have mass-murdered Haitians, Cubans, Guatamalens, Puerto Ricans, Chileans, Peruvians, Columbian s, Indian's, Africans, Arabs, Asians, aboriginals, Europeans, and species.
They have created all kinds of fascist movements all over Latin America complete with death squads, mass rape, mass disappearances, and mass graves. They have colonized the whole of Latin America and forced imperialist chains on the hundreds of millions of la raza.
They have dropped the atomic bomb twice on Japan and her people killing hundreds of thousands of Japanese! They have murdered hundreds of millions of Asian people in the last 500 years!
The American imperialists have conquered many populations of Asians, like south Korea, south Vietnam, the Philipeans, Taiwan, killing and raping millions!
The rulers of America are presently at war with the Arabs, Palestinians and the majority of the muslim world. They have rounded up 1400 people of Arab decent who were living in the US and disappeared them! They have murdered millions of Arabs and still are killing the people in mass.
America means the rape, exploitation, conquest, and institutionalized gender oppression of women!
America is today the greatest terrorist, the greatest killer, the greatest enslaver, the greatest evil in the whole history of the worlds peoples!
This is why we must take a stand on the forth of July and show the people of the US and the world that the spirit of the Movement is alive and growing and raising it's brilliant head all over the world!
Please join us to demonstrate on this day of hypocrisy and take and further the movement of resistance!!!!!!!
Fuck the 4th of July!
The United Front
Why the forth of July? To quote Frederick Douglass:
"What to the American slave is your Fourth of July? I answer, a day that reveals to him, more than all other days in the year, the gross injustice and cruelty to which he is the constant victim. To him, your celebration is a sham; your boasted liberty, an unholy license; your national greatness, swelling vanity; your sounds of rejoicing are empty and heartless; your denunciations of tyrants, brass-fronted impudence; your shouts of liberty and equality, hollow mockery; your prayers and hymns, your sermons and thanksgivings, with all your religious parade and solemnity, are to him mere bombast, fraud, deception, impiety, and hypocrisy-a thin veil to cover up crimes which would disgrace a nation of savages. There is not a nation on the earth guilty of practices more shocking and bloody, than our the people of these United States, at this very hour." (December 8, 1850)
What is the united front? It is newly emerging coalition of people including representatives from AIM (the American Indian Movement), The People's Resistance, Students for Justice,and others, who recognize that we must build mass movement in this country to end the terrorism being perpetrated here in the USA and around the globe!
Since September 11, the US government, who is the greatest terrorist in the world today, has been trying to convince us all that they are the victims. Objective reality tells a much different story. We know this will most likely be the biggest celebration since the bi-centennial. They are working overtime to rally as much patriotic spirit they can in hopes that we will forget the genocide and horrific crimes against humanity they have perpetrated and continue to lead. The forth of July in America is the greatest hypocrasy holiday in the world. The America ruling classes have bombed, killed, hung, incarcerated, enslaved, colonized and perpetrated more campaigns of genocide against the people of the world more than anyone. Here are some of the innumerable examples of their crimes, always framed in the name of freedom and justice.
Hundreds of millions of native Indian's killed in five hundred years! The greatest land theft in all of history. The extermination of the majority of our ancestors who are the original inhabitants of this land. The forcing of survivors onto and into reservations, concentration camps Nazi-style.
400 plus years of African enslavement, lynchings, institutional racism, mass incarceration and forced oppression! It is the stealing of African and Indian babies, raping of our womyn, and the terrorization for people!
America is responsible for stealing half of Mexican lands and the killing of hundreds of millions of la raza!
They have mass-murdered Haitians, Cubans, Guatamalens, Puerto Ricans, Chileans, Peruvians, Columbian s, Indian's, Africans, Arabs, Asians, aboriginals, Europeans, and species.
They have created all kinds of fascist movements all over Latin America complete with death squads, mass rape, mass disappearances, and mass graves. They have colonized the whole of Latin America and forced imperialist chains on the hundreds of millions of la raza.
They have dropped the atomic bomb twice on Japan and her people killing hundreds of thousands of Japanese! They have murdered hundreds of millions of Asian people in the last 500 years!
The American imperialists have conquered many populations of Asians, like south Korea, south Vietnam, the Philipeans, Taiwan, killing and raping millions!
The rulers of America are presently at war with the Arabs, Palestinians and the majority of the muslim world. They have rounded up 1400 people of Arab decent who were living in the US and disappeared them! They have murdered millions of Arabs and still are killing the people in mass.
America means the rape, exploitation, conquest, and institutionalized gender oppression of women!
America is today the greatest terrorist, the greatest killer, the greatest enslaver, the greatest evil in the whole history of the worlds peoples!
This is why we must take a stand on the forth of July and show the people of the US and the world that the spirit of the Movement is alive and growing and raising it's brilliant head all over the world!
Please join us to demonstrate on this day of hypocrisy and take and further the movement of resistance!!!!!!!
Fuck the 4th of July!
The United Front
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I'll bet you won't be back to respond to any of this, but what a load of crap. Your "objective truth" is a pack of lies and propaganda. It would take an incredibly naive person to believe any of that. Of course I see you're just repeating Noam Chomsky, so I wouldn't expect that you are much of a real historian.
Not that I am either, but I see you think the people on this site have the half a brain it would take to believe this tripe.
Perhaps you're over estimating them.
Perhaps you're underestimating them.... well I can't be sure, but you are a fool if you think anyone with any working knowledge of history could believe that America is the pillar of Rape, Slavery, Colonialization, and whatever else youre spouting.
We ended that shit a long time ago, and with no help from you, mister!
When Smash and I find your stupid rally we are going to smash you bullhorn. Just take it right out of you drooling mouth , and smash it on the ground.
If you have another, we'll take that one too!
I'll bet you won't be able to stop us, and if you think the police will help you..... your more naive than I thought.
Not that I am either, but I see you think the people on this site have the half a brain it would take to believe this tripe.
Perhaps you're over estimating them.
Perhaps you're underestimating them.... well I can't be sure, but you are a fool if you think anyone with any working knowledge of history could believe that America is the pillar of Rape, Slavery, Colonialization, and whatever else youre spouting.
We ended that shit a long time ago, and with no help from you, mister!
When Smash and I find your stupid rally we are going to smash you bullhorn. Just take it right out of you drooling mouth , and smash it on the ground.
If you have another, we'll take that one too!
I'll bet you won't be able to stop us, and if you think the police will help you..... your more naive than I thought.
If you're an American and you don't like the way things are going,
then take your goddamn country back, god damn it!
then take your goddamn country back, god damn it!
Talk's cheap. Let's se some action.
"we must build mass movement " ... try prunes or high-fiber fruits like apples ...
I swear if shit like this keeps going on, I myself might wind up joining the fascists...well not really. But at least what they are saying is not as hackneyed as the crap that is being slung here. The U.S. is not uniquely bad. Yes, Hiroshima of course. But what about the rape of Nan King. Do you people think that Japan and the rest of the Axis powers should have been left alone? Stop the oppression, yes. But the U.S. in comparison to almost every other Western power has done the least of conquering and colonizing when you compare to England, to Spain, to Russia, to Japan, need I go on? The slave trade? That was horrible. It also occurred, and still occurrs in many places in the world. In addition it was the Dutch who really ran that putrid institution. And in terms of that 'worst' ever crap, I cannot think that anyone really takes that serious. I just really hope you people will shut up instead of saying the same trite hippie shit that you have been spewing out of your mouths for the last 40 years.
I'm sick as hell at the quality of the posts on indymedia.
Every posting seems to be from some hater or troll who has nothing to spew but their own demented lies, threatening anyone who has the guts to take action.
Threats of violence should be fully investigated and a tightening up of the registration is much needed.
GO START YOUR OWN SITE TROLLS!!!
Every posting seems to be from some hater or troll who has nothing to spew but their own demented lies, threatening anyone who has the guts to take action.
Threats of violence should be fully investigated and a tightening up of the registration is much needed.
GO START YOUR OWN SITE TROLLS!!!
Wouldn't your continued living here make you complicit, you motherfucking assholes?
Just wondering.
Cordially,
Ish
P.S. I'm sure some subsistence farmers in Guatemala would appreciate your servitude. Perhaps in some way it would make up for your sins.
Just wondering.
Cordially,
Ish
P.S. I'm sure some subsistence farmers in Guatemala would appreciate your servitude. Perhaps in some way it would make up for your sins.
Anything that draws out our right-wing guests to attack mode is probably significantly threatening to them .. .
"Apathetic = Pathetic ,eh?" (sic).
Bravo ! At least my brothers & sisters down south have the guts to speak from the heart.... unfortunately, this is
(generally) not the case up here in the great white north
(For the most part), we Canadians choose to sleep...
Bravo ! At least my brothers & sisters down south have the guts to speak from the heart.... unfortunately, this is
(generally) not the case up here in the great white north
(For the most part), we Canadians choose to sleep...
Are you talking about the same evil country that I live in? The country that allow you this level of freedom of speech? A country that provides you with monthly welfare check to feed your children so you have time to inject this kind of thoughts into others? Or are you talking about the country in which millions of people (including my parent) tried to hard migrate to, so their children have a better change in life?
As soon as I can I am leaving this country that is nothing more than widespread hypocracy. Everything that we say we stand against we do. I can't believe our recent military incursions and the spilling of innocent blood by american military personal.
But it's not their fault. They were just bred to be sheep like we all are. Follow blindly the lies that we are told through elementry and high-school, they ceased their education and joined the military. Those who are to blame are our leaders. Their gods are money and power...democrats and republicans alike. They have no wish to listen to the people; no desire to maintain freedom; no need to strive for equality. They pander to those who will get them re-elected.
We are in Germany in 1935. The "war to end all wars" will start in 5 years and the U.S. will be at the epicenter. We have even begun to alienate our friends. Europe grows stronger and more resistant to U.S. military power. China has the largest army in the world. The middle east has the means and will to destroy us through non-conventional means that we label as terrorism so we can control their governments and set them on fire from the air.
If the American people don't stand up (and they won't). The world will. And though we spend more on our military every year (380 billion dollars) than the world combined, our military might will not save us from the wrath of the underpriveledged of the world.
I feel sorry for all of you who thought the 4th was about freedom. I wish I could feel sorry for you from accross the Atlantic Ocean.
But it's not their fault. They were just bred to be sheep like we all are. Follow blindly the lies that we are told through elementry and high-school, they ceased their education and joined the military. Those who are to blame are our leaders. Their gods are money and power...democrats and republicans alike. They have no wish to listen to the people; no desire to maintain freedom; no need to strive for equality. They pander to those who will get them re-elected.
We are in Germany in 1935. The "war to end all wars" will start in 5 years and the U.S. will be at the epicenter. We have even begun to alienate our friends. Europe grows stronger and more resistant to U.S. military power. China has the largest army in the world. The middle east has the means and will to destroy us through non-conventional means that we label as terrorism so we can control their governments and set them on fire from the air.
If the American people don't stand up (and they won't). The world will. And though we spend more on our military every year (380 billion dollars) than the world combined, our military might will not save us from the wrath of the underpriveledged of the world.
I feel sorry for all of you who thought the 4th was about freedom. I wish I could feel sorry for you from accross the Atlantic Ocean.
Hiel Hitler!
See you in five years--be prepared to eat crow.
See you in five years--be prepared to eat crow.
Whoa!!!
LOL...great guys simply point out that schools are a liberal "mill." How rediculous. We were never told in school that thousands of Japanese were imprissoned in California for the duration of the war while their shops were looted demolished and sold. We were never told that we killed more civilians in WWII than any other country. Even Hitler refused to strategically bomb the Allies when he had the upper hand, while we Americans attempted to kill the proletariate of Germany and later our unresticted bombing of Japan in 1944 killed millions of civilians. We were never told that we murdered Iraq soldiers as they fled in any vehicle they could find. We strafed them for days on the highways with A-10s and they had no way to fight back. We aren't told that terrorism is a subjective term that is defined by those in power. The American government has sponsored terrorism for 50 years....are we an axis of evil? (the most retarded phrase ever) We were never told that our foundig fathers owned slaves and really only cared about paying less taxes then they did at the moment. We aren't told that the emancipation proclimation was a political move by Lincoln in order to get the slaves to rise up and fight their masters in the south.
Liberal?? Hardly. Unless you mean by liberal that they teach science and evolution in stead of 2000 year old lies written by white men in the middle ages (bible for those of you who didn't get that)
LOL...great guys simply point out that schools are a liberal "mill." How rediculous. We were never told in school that thousands of Japanese were imprissoned in California for the duration of the war while their shops were looted demolished and sold. We were never told that we killed more civilians in WWII than any other country. Even Hitler refused to strategically bomb the Allies when he had the upper hand, while we Americans attempted to kill the proletariate of Germany and later our unresticted bombing of Japan in 1944 killed millions of civilians. We were never told that we murdered Iraq soldiers as they fled in any vehicle they could find. We strafed them for days on the highways with A-10s and they had no way to fight back. We aren't told that terrorism is a subjective term that is defined by those in power. The American government has sponsored terrorism for 50 years....are we an axis of evil? (the most retarded phrase ever) We were never told that our foundig fathers owned slaves and really only cared about paying less taxes then they did at the moment. We aren't told that the emancipation proclimation was a political move by Lincoln in order to get the slaves to rise up and fight their masters in the south.
Liberal?? Hardly. Unless you mean by liberal that they teach science and evolution in stead of 2000 year old lies written by white men in the middle ages (bible for those of you who didn't get that)
well...100s of 1000s of Japanes, not millions
I was simply curious. I think your site is a great place for people to come share their ideas. I was unclear about your policy on racist and sexist comments.
Keep it up
Keep it up
The image of the flag burning on the front page ... the rhetoric about "smashing the state," ... all of this is looking very juvenille and ringing very hollow as our country spirals into extreem wealth polarization and secret wars.
"Don't tear the bully's shirt until you are ready to really kick his ass" - a rough paraphrase from Sun Tzu's "The Art of War
OK, Val
PS - it is obvious that content is being censored on this site and it is also obvious that labels like "racist" and "sexist" can be applied to just about anything that we don't want to hear. Stay safe and comfortable and nice and homogenous ... this is what hypocrisy smells like.
"Don't tear the bully's shirt until you are ready to really kick his ass" - a rough paraphrase from Sun Tzu's "The Art of War
OK, Val
PS - it is obvious that content is being censored on this site and it is also obvious that labels like "racist" and "sexist" can be applied to just about anything that we don't want to hear. Stay safe and comfortable and nice and homogenous ... this is what hypocrisy smells like.
At least here we know that we can be censored. This site does not hide it. It isn't hypocracy if they aren't denying it.
Yes, many comments could be labeled racist and innapropriate, but some that are left are pretty harsh in their tone a vocabulary.
People swallow hypocracy every day, and if you want a taste go to church and have the bible shoved down your throat.
Yes, many comments could be labeled racist and innapropriate, but some that are left are pretty harsh in their tone a vocabulary.
People swallow hypocracy every day, and if you want a taste go to church and have the bible shoved down your throat.
Just pack your shit and move! Do you think you could even think about bad mouthing any other country on their land? Highly doubtful.
I am in no way a political person but to hear your statements makes me sick to my stomach.
If by any chance you want to move to pakistan just tell them you are an american and you hate us. When they are done raping and mutilating your dead body they might send the pieces back here so your mom can bury you.
Oh yeah just go.
I am in no way a political person but to hear your statements makes me sick to my stomach.
If by any chance you want to move to pakistan just tell them you are an american and you hate us. When they are done raping and mutilating your dead body they might send the pieces back here so your mom can bury you.
Oh yeah just go.
This is all really silly (the comments). It's the same thing again and again. People speak out against the US and everyone says "bite the hand... etc".
Listen up people. This country was formed and is formed by protest. Saying "if you don't like it, go somewhere else" kind of defeats the point.
Here in Texas I spend fourth of July doing the pledge of allegience with people who have zero understanding of the outside world. If you want to be sheep, be sheep, but let those who shape our country do their job.... by giving them the freedom of speech.
Before you are so quick to silence a voice which is unpopular to you... remember that the same rights make YOUR voice free too. You should see burning flags as a symbol of a phoenix... this country is held together by the very freedom that allows us to critizie it. If you don't like it. Get out yourself.
Listen up people. This country was formed and is formed by protest. Saying "if you don't like it, go somewhere else" kind of defeats the point.
Here in Texas I spend fourth of July doing the pledge of allegience with people who have zero understanding of the outside world. If you want to be sheep, be sheep, but let those who shape our country do their job.... by giving them the freedom of speech.
Before you are so quick to silence a voice which is unpopular to you... remember that the same rights make YOUR voice free too. You should see burning flags as a symbol of a phoenix... this country is held together by the very freedom that allows us to critizie it. If you don't like it. Get out yourself.
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You people think you are shaping America by stating all sorts of negatives and talking about hypocrisy? Get a clue! I am questioned and see others questioned about our GREAT COUNTRY and why if it is soooo great do we have so many complaining about it who are born and raised here as citizens. I don't always agree with the President or those in authority, but I do submit to the authority and stand behind them. You think you can do such a fine job, run for President yourself! You don't like the USA, LEAVE! You make our country a mockery for all others to laugh at because of your juvenille opinions that have never grown up into adulthood. Were you raised in a nice cushy home spoon fed everything all your life that you have no concept there are others around you who might just be a bit smarter than you? That their decisions are based on information that you don't fully have, see, or know? You are foolish to condemn things you have no knowledge of. Go live in one of the other countries and see how far you get criticizing the authorities. Go live there where you have no freedom, no safety, no government that cares at all about their people and only truely cares about their own benefits. You think that is how it is here......wake up and grow up! Open your eyes before it is too late!
You make a mockery of your country and you make a mockery of God. You call the Bible a book of lies, God forgive you. You don't have to believe now, one day you'll stand before Him and THEN you'll believe.....albeit too late.....You don't like the USA.....go to Pakistan, Afghanistan, Africa......Maybe you would grow up a bit if you could just step outside your little box and stop thinking only about your self and see there are others who do believe in freedoms and that is what the Fourth of July stands for. We believe in our country and are thankful to be here and thank God for what we do have now and what our government tries hard to do for us.
Grow up, build a bridge and get over yourself.....look around, there are other people here!
You make a mockery of your country and you make a mockery of God. You call the Bible a book of lies, God forgive you. You don't have to believe now, one day you'll stand before Him and THEN you'll believe.....albeit too late.....You don't like the USA.....go to Pakistan, Afghanistan, Africa......Maybe you would grow up a bit if you could just step outside your little box and stop thinking only about your self and see there are others who do believe in freedoms and that is what the Fourth of July stands for. We believe in our country and are thankful to be here and thank God for what we do have now and what our government tries hard to do for us.
Grow up, build a bridge and get over yourself.....look around, there are other people here!
Flag-burning doesn’t show the world that you’re bold radicals. It shows the world that you are flaming idiots.
Burning things – books, crosses, flags – is a pathetically ignorant act that has been practiced by pathetically ignorant people for many years.
What, exactly, are you doing to help the ‘oppressed’? Do you really think they will appreciate this rally? Who cleaned up all the garbage you left behind?
Your organization is proof that hypocrisy and ignorance still exist in Amerika. You’re not the solution, you’re the problem.
Burning things – books, crosses, flags – is a pathetically ignorant act that has been practiced by pathetically ignorant people for many years.
What, exactly, are you doing to help the ‘oppressed’? Do you really think they will appreciate this rally? Who cleaned up all the garbage you left behind?
Your organization is proof that hypocrisy and ignorance still exist in Amerika. You’re not the solution, you’re the problem.
I'd like to apologize for my poor, simple minded sister. She was dropped on her head as a child, and ever since then has had these occasional frothing fits of jingoism. The poor dear. Usually her medication helps her, but icons don't have health insurance in the U.S. of A. Please pay no mind. She should come around soon.
The fourth of July is a big god damned head ache. Theres no need to keep people awake for days and days with explosive fireworks. Its a real shame this behavior is acceptable. Only one fireworks area per village I say. Not within one mile of private housing. All boisterous citizens intent and equipped to use sounding fireworks devices must remove themselfs to this elected place.
"What to the American slave is your Fourth of July?"
No more slaves Rhoid. Next question.
"What is the united front?" Dont know what it means to you, Rhoid, but to me it means 2000000 heavily equipped heartily trained U.S. Soldiers , Sailors, Air Force, Marines, National Guardsmen, Special Forces, Black Ops, Federal Agents, State Agents, Local Agents, Police Forces. And then theres the 250000000 American Citizens who have there back. Thats a United Front. Rhoid. Next question.
"Hundreds of millions of native Indian's killed in five hundred years!"? So that would be over 2000000000 Indians killed by the current U.S. Gov in the last 500 years ? You and I both know the answer to that question is FALSE. Put away your time machine and fire your assistant. Ms/Mr Rhoid. Next lie.
"400 plus years of African enslavement." FALSE. Keep them coming . . .
"America is responsible for stealing half of Mexican lands and the killing of hundreds of millions of la raza!" ? Stealing ? Once again, "America is responsible . . .?" FALSE
"They (Americans) have mass-murdered. . ." So who all fits this ridiculous idea you have of exactly who Americans are ? I bet you believe in a god dont you ?
"They have dropped the atomic bomb twice on Japan and her people killing hundreds of thousands of Japanese." God damn Rhoid, where did you pick up your math ?
"The American imperialists have conquered many populations of Asians, like south Korea, south Vietnam, the Philipeans, Taiwan, KILLING AND RAPING MILLIONS. " Why havent any of your friends clued you in to your problems with numbers and calculations. Never mind your facts are wrong, its your math that worries me.
"They (Americans) have murdered millions of Arabs and still are killing the people in mass." Well not millions. But several thousands I sure hope. Islam has a cancer within its membership that threatens all free and not free people of the world. Even you Rhoid could become a victim of this sickening plague of Islamic retards.
"This is why we must take a stand on the forth of July and show the people of the US and the world that the spirit of the Movement is alive and growing and raising it's brilliant head all over the world!
Please join us to demonstrate on this day of hypocrisy and take and further the movement of resistance!!!!!!! "
OK here your just hardcore tripping. I can see ya now on the 4th, all wound up like stitching in a baseball. Hurting like a junkie to hurt someone.
NEXT
"Talk's cheap. Let's se some action." Now Nestor . .
"Anything that draws out our right-wing guests to attack mode is probably significantly threatening to them . . . "
Now Now Now Nestor . . .
"we Canadians choose to sleep... " Thats just fine, except for your tolerence for courting, keeping, feeding, terrorists. If you guys wanna sleep, so be it. America never sleeps.
"I feel sorry for all of you who thought the 4th was about freedom. I wish I could feel sorry for you from accross the Atlantic Ocean." So silly.
"Whoa!!! " You may be the silliest one here.
"It is not fair to expect us to provide a place for it all to happen. It's a big net. Go somewhere else. We refuse to spend out time, money and energy to host racist, sexist, homophobic propaganda. Of course it has a right to be expressed, but not here, not on our nickel. Put it somewhere else and we wont interfere." Sweetheart you are the silliest wanna be martyr Ive ever heard of. Puffing and prowling, begging for a squirrely nut to pop a cap between your eyes. And I'll bet its your vision many more than your 13 fans will give a rats ass. A funeral, a lot of rasta hoopla, and nothing.
"You make a mockery of your country and you make a mockery of God. You call the Bible a book of lies, God forgive you." I dont believe there is a god or a satan. I want a tattoo of the U.S. flag on my arm. Keep your religion in your pants. Please heed your own advcice; Grow up, build a bridge and get over yourself.....look around, there are other people here!
"What to the American slave is your Fourth of July?"
No more slaves Rhoid. Next question.
"What is the united front?" Dont know what it means to you, Rhoid, but to me it means 2000000 heavily equipped heartily trained U.S. Soldiers , Sailors, Air Force, Marines, National Guardsmen, Special Forces, Black Ops, Federal Agents, State Agents, Local Agents, Police Forces. And then theres the 250000000 American Citizens who have there back. Thats a United Front. Rhoid. Next question.
"Hundreds of millions of native Indian's killed in five hundred years!"? So that would be over 2000000000 Indians killed by the current U.S. Gov in the last 500 years ? You and I both know the answer to that question is FALSE. Put away your time machine and fire your assistant. Ms/Mr Rhoid. Next lie.
"400 plus years of African enslavement." FALSE. Keep them coming . . .
"America is responsible for stealing half of Mexican lands and the killing of hundreds of millions of la raza!" ? Stealing ? Once again, "America is responsible . . .?" FALSE
"They (Americans) have mass-murdered. . ." So who all fits this ridiculous idea you have of exactly who Americans are ? I bet you believe in a god dont you ?
"They have dropped the atomic bomb twice on Japan and her people killing hundreds of thousands of Japanese." God damn Rhoid, where did you pick up your math ?
"The American imperialists have conquered many populations of Asians, like south Korea, south Vietnam, the Philipeans, Taiwan, KILLING AND RAPING MILLIONS. " Why havent any of your friends clued you in to your problems with numbers and calculations. Never mind your facts are wrong, its your math that worries me.
"They (Americans) have murdered millions of Arabs and still are killing the people in mass." Well not millions. But several thousands I sure hope. Islam has a cancer within its membership that threatens all free and not free people of the world. Even you Rhoid could become a victim of this sickening plague of Islamic retards.
"This is why we must take a stand on the forth of July and show the people of the US and the world that the spirit of the Movement is alive and growing and raising it's brilliant head all over the world!
Please join us to demonstrate on this day of hypocrisy and take and further the movement of resistance!!!!!!! "
OK here your just hardcore tripping. I can see ya now on the 4th, all wound up like stitching in a baseball. Hurting like a junkie to hurt someone.
NEXT
"Talk's cheap. Let's se some action." Now Nestor . .
"Anything that draws out our right-wing guests to attack mode is probably significantly threatening to them . . . "
Now Now Now Nestor . . .
"we Canadians choose to sleep... " Thats just fine, except for your tolerence for courting, keeping, feeding, terrorists. If you guys wanna sleep, so be it. America never sleeps.
"I feel sorry for all of you who thought the 4th was about freedom. I wish I could feel sorry for you from accross the Atlantic Ocean." So silly.
"Whoa!!! " You may be the silliest one here.
"It is not fair to expect us to provide a place for it all to happen. It's a big net. Go somewhere else. We refuse to spend out time, money and energy to host racist, sexist, homophobic propaganda. Of course it has a right to be expressed, but not here, not on our nickel. Put it somewhere else and we wont interfere." Sweetheart you are the silliest wanna be martyr Ive ever heard of. Puffing and prowling, begging for a squirrely nut to pop a cap between your eyes. And I'll bet its your vision many more than your 13 fans will give a rats ass. A funeral, a lot of rasta hoopla, and nothing.
"You make a mockery of your country and you make a mockery of God. You call the Bible a book of lies, God forgive you." I dont believe there is a god or a satan. I want a tattoo of the U.S. flag on my arm. Keep your religion in your pants. Please heed your own advcice; Grow up, build a bridge and get over yourself.....look around, there are other people here!
Driving in to Darlington County
Me and Wayne on the Fourth of July
Driving in to Darlington County
Looking for some work on the county line
We drove down from New York City
Where the girls are pretty but they just want to know your name
Driving in to Darlington City
Got a union connection with an uncle of Wayne's
We drove eight hundred miles without seeing a cop
We got rock and roll music blasting off the T-top singing
Sha la la la la la la la la, Sha la la la la la la
Hey little girl standing on the corner
Today's your lucky day for sure all right
Me and my buddy we're from New York City
We got two hundred dollars we want to rock all night
Girl you're looking at two big spenders
Why the world don't know what me and Wayne might do
Our pa's each own one of the World Trade Centers
For a kiss and a smile I'll give mine all to you
Come on baby take a seat on my fender
It's a long night and tell me what else were you gonna do
Just me and you we could
Sha la la...
Little girl sitting in the window
Ain't seen my buddy in seven days
County man tells me the same thing
He don't work and he don't get paid
Little girl you're so young and pretty
Walk with me and you can have your way
And we'll leave this Darlington City
For a ride down that Dixie Highway
Driving out of Darlington County
My eyes seen the glory of the coming of the Lord
Driving out of Darlington County
Seen Wayne handcuffed to the bumper of a state trooper's Ford
-Bruce Springsteen
Me and Wayne on the Fourth of July
Driving in to Darlington County
Looking for some work on the county line
We drove down from New York City
Where the girls are pretty but they just want to know your name
Driving in to Darlington City
Got a union connection with an uncle of Wayne's
We drove eight hundred miles without seeing a cop
We got rock and roll music blasting off the T-top singing
Sha la la la la la la la la, Sha la la la la la la
Hey little girl standing on the corner
Today's your lucky day for sure all right
Me and my buddy we're from New York City
We got two hundred dollars we want to rock all night
Girl you're looking at two big spenders
Why the world don't know what me and Wayne might do
Our pa's each own one of the World Trade Centers
For a kiss and a smile I'll give mine all to you
Come on baby take a seat on my fender
It's a long night and tell me what else were you gonna do
Just me and you we could
Sha la la...
Little girl sitting in the window
Ain't seen my buddy in seven days
County man tells me the same thing
He don't work and he don't get paid
Little girl you're so young and pretty
Walk with me and you can have your way
And we'll leave this Darlington City
For a ride down that Dixie Highway
Driving out of Darlington County
My eyes seen the glory of the coming of the Lord
Driving out of Darlington County
Seen Wayne handcuffed to the bumper of a state trooper's Ford
-Bruce Springsteen
The comments made by "Alexander," "Mary," and "Uncle Sam's Sister " just goes to prove what most people outside of America already know: the more people that America kills around the world (past and present), the more Americans beat their chests about how great their fucked up nation really is.
The only responses that these American jackasses have to the points made by United Front is to dismiss it, deny it, or spew some feeble American chauvinism
--always a favored American tactic.
You want to wave your American Flag? I got your flag right here and I'll shove it up your patriotic asshole till you sing like Frances Scott Key.
Divided you stand. And Divided you will fall.
FUCK THE FOURTH.
The only responses that these American jackasses have to the points made by United Front is to dismiss it, deny it, or spew some feeble American chauvinism
--always a favored American tactic.
You want to wave your American Flag? I got your flag right here and I'll shove it up your patriotic asshole till you sing like Frances Scott Key.
Divided you stand. And Divided you will fall.
FUCK THE FOURTH.
"just goes to prove what most people outside of America already know . . ."
In my extended neighborhood there are citizens of every race from all corners of earth. Local and nearby businesses are owned and operated by many different races. In a nearby park children and parents of many different nationalities mingle and play together seamlessly. A nearby intersection features four churches on the four corners of four different religions. On weekend nights at a nearby teen hangout you can see several different races of boys and girls all socializing and dating each other. My favorite place to eat is owned and operated by a muslim born and raised in Iraq. I do contract work for Arabs, Africans, Asians, Indians, Mexicans. These people are the finest people I know.
You can hate America all you want. But as you have seen are seeing will see, dont fuck with us. Your problems are your own. How long till you realise what you see and what is real are not the same. Your inflictions are your own. I aint here to doctor any of you folks. You hate my country. You raise your arms?, we'll lower them for you. Why ? Very few pussys here.
" You want to wave your American Flag? I got your flag right here and I'll shove it up your patriotic asshole till you sing like Frances Scott Key."
Puff up that chest, its fun watching this knotty knees wobble like that.
In my extended neighborhood there are citizens of every race from all corners of earth. Local and nearby businesses are owned and operated by many different races. In a nearby park children and parents of many different nationalities mingle and play together seamlessly. A nearby intersection features four churches on the four corners of four different religions. On weekend nights at a nearby teen hangout you can see several different races of boys and girls all socializing and dating each other. My favorite place to eat is owned and operated by a muslim born and raised in Iraq. I do contract work for Arabs, Africans, Asians, Indians, Mexicans. These people are the finest people I know.
You can hate America all you want. But as you have seen are seeing will see, dont fuck with us. Your problems are your own. How long till you realise what you see and what is real are not the same. Your inflictions are your own. I aint here to doctor any of you folks. You hate my country. You raise your arms?, we'll lower them for you. Why ? Very few pussys here.
" You want to wave your American Flag? I got your flag right here and I'll shove it up your patriotic asshole till you sing like Frances Scott Key."
Puff up that chest, its fun watching this knotty knees wobble like that.
"You can hate America all you want. But as you have seen are seeing will see, dont fuck with us."
you speak of a great american melting pot. but what does your statement mean to the people who were actually here before america came and killed them to create america? what does your statement mean to the continent of people who stolen and brought here to be slaves to build this economy? what does you statement mean to the people around the world who are force to be slaves to maintain this parasitic system?
fuck america.
matthew willis
ps why doesn't anyone around here put their name and contact info on their messages? are you frightened to take responsibility for your opinions?
you speak of a great american melting pot. but what does your statement mean to the people who were actually here before america came and killed them to create america? what does your statement mean to the continent of people who stolen and brought here to be slaves to build this economy? what does you statement mean to the people around the world who are force to be slaves to maintain this parasitic system?
fuck america.
matthew willis
ps why doesn't anyone around here put their name and contact info on their messages? are you frightened to take responsibility for your opinions?
I am a veteran of a few so called peace keeping mission throughout this world. I have been to the corners of the earth and back.
I must say that I am deeply disturbed with the shit I have read on this site....
Even though I want to meet most of you in a dark alley somewhere and stomp your guts out for the shit you are spouting. I just wanna say that because of people like me and our government that you hate so much, you have the right to complain.....
If you are so unhappy here you have 2 options, you have the right to move to any other country that will have you( and don't think for one second that you can verbally bash their government with out a visist form the local authorities) or you can run for office and make the changes as you see fit. Either way shut the fuck up and do something about it.......
George Orwell says it best "we sleep silently in our beds, knowing that rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do us harm" So the next time you feel the need to trash our flag and our way of life, remember that great men have died so that you may be the asshole that you are..... I would rather you just said thanks and went on your way.........
I must say that I am deeply disturbed with the shit I have read on this site....
Even though I want to meet most of you in a dark alley somewhere and stomp your guts out for the shit you are spouting. I just wanna say that because of people like me and our government that you hate so much, you have the right to complain.....
If you are so unhappy here you have 2 options, you have the right to move to any other country that will have you( and don't think for one second that you can verbally bash their government with out a visist form the local authorities) or you can run for office and make the changes as you see fit. Either way shut the fuck up and do something about it.......
George Orwell says it best "we sleep silently in our beds, knowing that rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do us harm" So the next time you feel the need to trash our flag and our way of life, remember that great men have died so that you may be the asshole that you are..... I would rather you just said thanks and went on your way.........
I am a veteran of a few so called peace keeping mission throughout this world. I have been to the corners of the earth and back.
I must say that I am deeply disturbed with the shit I have read on this site....
Even though I want to meet most of you in a dark alley somewhere and stomp your guts out for the shit you are spouting. I just wanna say that because of people like me and our government that you hate so much, you have the right to complain.....
If you are so unhappy here you have 2 options, you have the right to move to any other country that will have you( and don't think for one second that you can verbally bash their government with out a visist form the local authorities) or you can run for office and make the changes as you see fit. Either way shut the fuck up and do something about it.......
George Orwell says it best "we sleep silently in our beds, knowing that rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do us harm" So the next time you feel the need to trash our flag and our way of life, remember that great men have died so that you may be the asshole that you are..... I would rather you just said thanks and went on your way.........
I must say that I am deeply disturbed with the shit I have read on this site....
Even though I want to meet most of you in a dark alley somewhere and stomp your guts out for the shit you are spouting. I just wanna say that because of people like me and our government that you hate so much, you have the right to complain.....
If you are so unhappy here you have 2 options, you have the right to move to any other country that will have you( and don't think for one second that you can verbally bash their government with out a visist form the local authorities) or you can run for office and make the changes as you see fit. Either way shut the fuck up and do something about it.......
George Orwell says it best "we sleep silently in our beds, knowing that rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do us harm" So the next time you feel the need to trash our flag and our way of life, remember that great men have died so that you may be the asshole that you are..... I would rather you just said thanks and went on your way.........
I am a veteran of a few so called peace keeping mission throughout this world. I have been to the corners of the earth and back.
I must say that I am deeply disturbed with the shit I have read on this site....
Even though I want to meet most of you in a dark alley somewhere and stomp your guts out for the shit you are spouting. I just wanna say that because of people like me and our government that you hate so much, you have the right to complain.....
If you are so unhappy here you have 2 options, you have the right to move to any other country that will have you( and don't think for one second that you can verbally bash their government with out a visist form the local authorities) or you can run for office and make the changes as you see fit. Either way shut the fuck up and do something about it.......
George Orwell says it best "we sleep silently in our beds, knowing that rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do us harm" So the next time you feel the need to trash our flag and our way of life, remember that great men have died so that you may be the asshole that you are..... I would rather you just said thanks and went on your way.........
I must say that I am deeply disturbed with the shit I have read on this site....
Even though I want to meet most of you in a dark alley somewhere and stomp your guts out for the shit you are spouting. I just wanna say that because of people like me and our government that you hate so much, you have the right to complain.....
If you are so unhappy here you have 2 options, you have the right to move to any other country that will have you( and don't think for one second that you can verbally bash their government with out a visist form the local authorities) or you can run for office and make the changes as you see fit. Either way shut the fuck up and do something about it.......
George Orwell says it best "we sleep silently in our beds, knowing that rough men stand ready to visit violence on those who would do us harm" So the next time you feel the need to trash our flag and our way of life, remember that great men have died so that you may be the asshole that you are..... I would rather you just said thanks and went on your way.........
Can't (wont) run for office
Can't get that much money and won't expose my familly
to that kind of abuse. Not dishonest enough. Don't
want get wacked.
Leaving the country has appeal (Costra Rica is nice
but maybe after I retire) but I love the idea of
home and I'd rather try to improve things here. Europe
is nice also but I've been there also and I don't know
German,or French or anything better than english.
I did my thing in'68 but it had nothing to do with
protecting people here.
As an american, it's my duty to chew on the government
just to keep them aware of me. Not doing so would
betray the idea of government of the people.
Sorry to piss you off, but it's our job as citizens.
Orwell wrote 1984 to show us what would happen if we
let them ( elites) have a free hand.
I get pissed myself off seeing the flag used a decoration
and not treated with more respect. I wish the old snake
"don't tread on me" flag was more in use.
Can't get that much money and won't expose my familly
to that kind of abuse. Not dishonest enough. Don't
want get wacked.
Leaving the country has appeal (Costra Rica is nice
but maybe after I retire) but I love the idea of
home and I'd rather try to improve things here. Europe
is nice also but I've been there also and I don't know
German,or French or anything better than english.
I did my thing in'68 but it had nothing to do with
protecting people here.
As an american, it's my duty to chew on the government
just to keep them aware of me. Not doing so would
betray the idea of government of the people.
Sorry to piss you off, but it's our job as citizens.
Orwell wrote 1984 to show us what would happen if we
let them ( elites) have a free hand.
I get pissed myself off seeing the flag used a decoration
and not treated with more respect. I wish the old snake
"don't tread on me" flag was more in use.
Who is he?
Ran an Alta Vista search but came up with some law office
any info?
Ran an Alta Vista search but came up with some law office
any info?
Really, gerbil cage, you need to learn how to spell. Maybe nessie could give you some pointers?
Hey BOBO like to play with guns?
So do I!
But I don't need a scope.
Iron sights are just fine.
So do I!
But I don't need a scope.
Iron sights are just fine.
http://www.nizkor.org/hweb/orgs/american/adl/paranoia-as-patriotism/the-order.html
http://www.wfmu.org/LCD/GreatDJ/berg.html
http://www.the.ohio-state.edu/Production/9697/GodsCountry/godscountry.htm
http://www.missioncreep.com/tilt/talkradio.html
http://www.lehigh.edu/~ineng/stone/trsites.htm
http://www.adl.org/learn/Ext_US/scutari.asp?xpicked=2&item=scutari
http://www.adl.org/learn/Ext_US/lane.asp?xpicked=2&item=lane
http://www.rkba.org/research/cramer/shall-issue.html
http://www.wfmu.org/LCD/GreatDJ/berg.html
http://www.the.ohio-state.edu/Production/9697/GodsCountry/godscountry.htm
http://www.missioncreep.com/tilt/talkradio.html
http://www.lehigh.edu/~ineng/stone/trsites.htm
http://www.adl.org/learn/Ext_US/scutari.asp?xpicked=2&item=scutari
http://www.adl.org/learn/Ext_US/lane.asp?xpicked=2&item=lane
http://www.rkba.org/research/cramer/shall-issue.html
Alan Berg is a symbol of the white supremacist movements overwhelming love of free speech.
Follow the links in the above post.
Follow the links in the above post.
The Order
The Order was the most violent and notorious domestic terrorist group of the 1980s. Founded in 1983 by Robert J. Mathews, a recruiter for the neo-Nazi National Alliance and an activist in the Nazi-like and "Identity"-affiliated group Aryan Nations, The Order (also known as Bruders Schweigen, or Silent Brotherhood) drew its members from the National Alliance, Aryan Nations, and various Klan splinter groups. As a blueprint for its "revolution," The Order relied upon William Pierce's novel The Turner Diaries (see below), and many of the crims for which Order members were convicted resembled terrorist acts described in the book.
In its first year, The Order began accumulating a war chest for its real-life revolution when three members stole $369 from a Spokane, Washington store. Soon thereafter the group launched a counterfeiting operation at the Aryan Nations compound in Hayden Lake, Idaho, which was exposed when Order member Bruce Carroll Pierce was arrested for passing a phony $50 bill. Pierce was eventually convicted, but jumped bond and went underground until 1985. Before the end of 1983, Robert Matthews robbed the Seattle City Bank of $25,000.
The robberies escalated the following year. In March 1984, Order members diverted police by exploding a bomb in a Seattle theater while other members robbed an armored car parked outside a department store, seizing $500,000.
In addition to these crimes, Bruce Carroll Piece planted a bomb in a Boise, Idaho synagogue, which caused minor damage but no injuries. The Order also began assassingating perceived enemies, beginning with one of their own members, Walter West. West had aroused the suspicion of his comrades by, in their words, "talking too much." In May 1984, he was driven into the Idaho wilderness by Order members who then executed and buried him.
Another victim of The Order's terror was Alan Berg, a controversial Jewish talk-radio personality in Denver. Berg was murdered outside his home in June 1984 after he repeatedly goaded right-wing and white-supremacist extremists on his call-in program.
Around the time of this murder, Order members resumed their counterfeiting operation and robbed a Brink's armored truck near Ukiah, California. The hold-up yielded the group's biggest take - over $3.6 million - which was distributed for salaries, mobile homes, uniforms, vehicles, and weapons. The group also purchased parcels of land in Idaho and Missouri for paramilitary training camps and reportedly donated money to fellow extremists, including the leaders of Aryan Nations and the National Alliance.
The Order's revolution might have progressed even further if Mathews had not left a pistol at the scene of the Ukiah robbery, which the FBI traced to the mailbox of another Order member. In that mailbox authorities found Aryan Nations propaganda. Agents also obtained descriptions of Order members through their recovered vehicles. At the same time, Order member Thomas Martinez was arrested in Philadelphia for passing counterfeit money. Martinez agreed to become a government informant and flew to Portland, Oregon, to meet with Mathews and fellow Order member Gary Yarbrough.
Agents raided the hotel the next morning. Mathews wounded an officer before escaping and Yarbrough was arrested at the scene. Mathews was traced to Whidbey Island in Washington, where in December 1984 he held off 200 law enforcement officers for over 36 hours, until he died in a conflaguration set off by the ammunition with which he barricaded himself. On December 30, 1985, nine men and one woman - all members of the group - were convicted following a four-month Federal court case in Seattle. They were sentenced to terms of 40-100 years in prison, as well as stiff fines. Another member was convicted in a spearate trial of murdering a Missouri state trooper and was sentenced to life. In addition, 12 Order members pleaded guilty to various crimes; one had become a fugitive and was on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list before his capture.
Although The Order is defunct, several incarcerated members, most notably David Lane, continue to propagandize from their prison cells, and continue to wield influence in the hate movement. (Anti-Defamation League, 26-27)
The Order was the most violent and notorious domestic terrorist group of the 1980s. Founded in 1983 by Robert J. Mathews, a recruiter for the neo-Nazi National Alliance and an activist in the Nazi-like and "Identity"-affiliated group Aryan Nations, The Order (also known as Bruders Schweigen, or Silent Brotherhood) drew its members from the National Alliance, Aryan Nations, and various Klan splinter groups. As a blueprint for its "revolution," The Order relied upon William Pierce's novel The Turner Diaries (see below), and many of the crims for which Order members were convicted resembled terrorist acts described in the book.
In its first year, The Order began accumulating a war chest for its real-life revolution when three members stole $369 from a Spokane, Washington store. Soon thereafter the group launched a counterfeiting operation at the Aryan Nations compound in Hayden Lake, Idaho, which was exposed when Order member Bruce Carroll Pierce was arrested for passing a phony $50 bill. Pierce was eventually convicted, but jumped bond and went underground until 1985. Before the end of 1983, Robert Matthews robbed the Seattle City Bank of $25,000.
The robberies escalated the following year. In March 1984, Order members diverted police by exploding a bomb in a Seattle theater while other members robbed an armored car parked outside a department store, seizing $500,000.
In addition to these crimes, Bruce Carroll Piece planted a bomb in a Boise, Idaho synagogue, which caused minor damage but no injuries. The Order also began assassingating perceived enemies, beginning with one of their own members, Walter West. West had aroused the suspicion of his comrades by, in their words, "talking too much." In May 1984, he was driven into the Idaho wilderness by Order members who then executed and buried him.
Another victim of The Order's terror was Alan Berg, a controversial Jewish talk-radio personality in Denver. Berg was murdered outside his home in June 1984 after he repeatedly goaded right-wing and white-supremacist extremists on his call-in program.
Around the time of this murder, Order members resumed their counterfeiting operation and robbed a Brink's armored truck near Ukiah, California. The hold-up yielded the group's biggest take - over $3.6 million - which was distributed for salaries, mobile homes, uniforms, vehicles, and weapons. The group also purchased parcels of land in Idaho and Missouri for paramilitary training camps and reportedly donated money to fellow extremists, including the leaders of Aryan Nations and the National Alliance.
The Order's revolution might have progressed even further if Mathews had not left a pistol at the scene of the Ukiah robbery, which the FBI traced to the mailbox of another Order member. In that mailbox authorities found Aryan Nations propaganda. Agents also obtained descriptions of Order members through their recovered vehicles. At the same time, Order member Thomas Martinez was arrested in Philadelphia for passing counterfeit money. Martinez agreed to become a government informant and flew to Portland, Oregon, to meet with Mathews and fellow Order member Gary Yarbrough.
Agents raided the hotel the next morning. Mathews wounded an officer before escaping and Yarbrough was arrested at the scene. Mathews was traced to Whidbey Island in Washington, where in December 1984 he held off 200 law enforcement officers for over 36 hours, until he died in a conflaguration set off by the ammunition with which he barricaded himself. On December 30, 1985, nine men and one woman - all members of the group - were convicted following a four-month Federal court case in Seattle. They were sentenced to terms of 40-100 years in prison, as well as stiff fines. Another member was convicted in a spearate trial of murdering a Missouri state trooper and was sentenced to life. In addition, 12 Order members pleaded guilty to various crimes; one had become a fugitive and was on the FBI's Ten Most Wanted list before his capture.
Although The Order is defunct, several incarcerated members, most notably David Lane, continue to propagandize from their prison cells, and continue to wield influence in the hate movement. (Anti-Defamation League, 26-27)
So nowadays elitist fundamentalist whale savers say that thousands of happy darkies can die because Greenpeace says it's okay, and posters around here like "bov" and "astro" defend it, saying shit like starving people are too desperate to realize their deaths are necessary to further the extremist leftist agenda. The difference between the killers of Berg and the Earth Firsters is that the EnviroNazis can become engorged at the buffet table without seeing the faces of who they murder.
No bullets. No crosshairs. Pass me the butter, please.
No bullets. No crosshairs. Pass me the butter, please.
"bov" and "astro" are both SmashTheLeft.
September 2002 News
Zambian president says no to 'poisonous' GM foods
September 4
Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Zambian President Levy Mwanawasa vowed at the United Nations (UN) Earth Summit on Tuesday not to expose his people to genetically modified (GM) "poisonous" food being offered to aid some 2.5 million Zambians facing starvation.
"Simply because my people are hungry, that is no justification to give them poison, to give them food that is intrinsically dangerous to their health," Mr Mwanawasa told journalists at a briefing.
Zambia, one of six southern African countries threatened by famine over the next nine months, has refused to accept GM food.
Some of the donated material was found to have contained experimentally engineered crops designed to produce plastics and industrial chemicals. Once planted, these would cross-pollinate with regular crops throughout the entire region.
Zambian president says no to 'poisonous' GM foods
September 4
Australian Broadcasting Corporation
Zambian President Levy Mwanawasa vowed at the United Nations (UN) Earth Summit on Tuesday not to expose his people to genetically modified (GM) "poisonous" food being offered to aid some 2.5 million Zambians facing starvation.
"Simply because my people are hungry, that is no justification to give them poison, to give them food that is intrinsically dangerous to their health," Mr Mwanawasa told journalists at a briefing.
Zambia, one of six southern African countries threatened by famine over the next nine months, has refused to accept GM food.
Some of the donated material was found to have contained experimentally engineered crops designed to produce plastics and industrial chemicals. Once planted, these would cross-pollinate with regular crops throughout the entire region.
why don't you start a thread about Greenpeace like a normal person, you kook
The prevailing corporate strategy of the late 1990s-when a hoped-for synergy between agricultural and pharmaceutical biotechnology led to the development of new giant "life science" conglomerates-has now been virtually shattered. In the last two years, we have seen Monsanto's agricultural division spun off from its recent parent company Pharmacia, the creation of a separate agribusiness company, Syngenta, from the relevant divisions of Zeneca and Novartis, and the announcement that Aventis is also seeking to separate out its agbiotech divisions.
Nevertheless, significant technological and financial synergies remain between agricultural and pharmaceutical biotechnology. Further, the efforts of the biotech industry to portray itself as a humanistic force in the world rest significantly on blurring the distinctions between biotechnology for food- which is widely perceived as a hopeless boondoggle-and biotechnology for medicine, which is more often seen to have real potential benefits. The industry's strategy is clearly to continue emphasizing these links, and companies have reaped the benefits of high profile media coverage of potential future products such as vitamin A-enhanced rice and foods containing vaccines. As industry analysts come to realize that mass-market genetically engineered commodity crops may be in serious, long-term trouble, forward-looking biotechnology executives are looking toward more specialized products.
The industry has already taken steps in the direction of more specialized, value-added GM crops. Early efforts included Monsanto's high-lauric acid canola, developed primarily for the cosmetics industry, and Zeneca's tomatoes with altered pectin to improve processing. These were both introduced in 1995.(1) There have also been widespread reports of potatoes, corn and other crops engineered to produce plastic-like polymers.(2) But perhaps the most active area of research today is on the genetic engineering of plants to produce specific proteins of interest to the pharmaceutical and chemical industries. This is a logical extension of the work pioneered by companies such as Genzyme in the US and PPL Therapeutics in Scotland, using livestock as "bioreactors" to produce chemicals of interest in their milk. But while animal-based production systems have proved expensive, and raise significant technical problems, not to mention growing animal welfare concerns and ethical debates over the cloning of animals, the use of plants as living "bioreactors" is being proposed as a much more advantageous solution.
In recent years, many of the leading agbiotech and agrochemical companies-Monsanto, DuPont and Dow, among others - as well as a considerable number of smaller, more specialized companies, have begun developing plant-based systems for pharmaceutical and chemical production. A number of vaccine components and monoclonal antibodies have been produced by tobacco, potato and corn plants on an experimental basis, and several of these products have begun clinical trials. One company, the Texas-based ProdiGene, has been collaborating with Stauffer Seeds to produce eleven different proteins in genetically engineered plants on a commercial scale. This represents a significant new development in plant biotechnology, and one that has heretofore escaped public scrutiny.
These new "bioreactor" crops present many of the same potential environmental problems as other genetically engineered crop varieties, particularly if they are to be grown outdoors on a large scale. Most noteworthy are problems of cross-pollination, and unknown deleterious effects on insects, soil microbes and other native organisms. Further, we may soon see biologically active enzymes and pharmaceuticals, usually only found in nature in minute quantities-and usually biochemically sequestered in very specialized regions of living tissues and cells-secreted by plant tissues on a massive commercial scale. The consequences may be even more difficult to detect and measure than those associated with more familiar GM crop varieties, and could escalate to the point where those now-familiar problems would begin to pale by comparison.
This new technology also has potential public health consequences. As commercial grain distributors have proved unable to reliably sequester such a relatively well-characterized product as Aventis' Starlink corn, what steps could be reliably taken to prevent the accidental commingling of crops engineered for chemical production into the rest of the food supply?
Nevertheless, significant technological and financial synergies remain between agricultural and pharmaceutical biotechnology. Further, the efforts of the biotech industry to portray itself as a humanistic force in the world rest significantly on blurring the distinctions between biotechnology for food- which is widely perceived as a hopeless boondoggle-and biotechnology for medicine, which is more often seen to have real potential benefits. The industry's strategy is clearly to continue emphasizing these links, and companies have reaped the benefits of high profile media coverage of potential future products such as vitamin A-enhanced rice and foods containing vaccines. As industry analysts come to realize that mass-market genetically engineered commodity crops may be in serious, long-term trouble, forward-looking biotechnology executives are looking toward more specialized products.
The industry has already taken steps in the direction of more specialized, value-added GM crops. Early efforts included Monsanto's high-lauric acid canola, developed primarily for the cosmetics industry, and Zeneca's tomatoes with altered pectin to improve processing. These were both introduced in 1995.(1) There have also been widespread reports of potatoes, corn and other crops engineered to produce plastic-like polymers.(2) But perhaps the most active area of research today is on the genetic engineering of plants to produce specific proteins of interest to the pharmaceutical and chemical industries. This is a logical extension of the work pioneered by companies such as Genzyme in the US and PPL Therapeutics in Scotland, using livestock as "bioreactors" to produce chemicals of interest in their milk. But while animal-based production systems have proved expensive, and raise significant technical problems, not to mention growing animal welfare concerns and ethical debates over the cloning of animals, the use of plants as living "bioreactors" is being proposed as a much more advantageous solution.
In recent years, many of the leading agbiotech and agrochemical companies-Monsanto, DuPont and Dow, among others - as well as a considerable number of smaller, more specialized companies, have begun developing plant-based systems for pharmaceutical and chemical production. A number of vaccine components and monoclonal antibodies have been produced by tobacco, potato and corn plants on an experimental basis, and several of these products have begun clinical trials. One company, the Texas-based ProdiGene, has been collaborating with Stauffer Seeds to produce eleven different proteins in genetically engineered plants on a commercial scale. This represents a significant new development in plant biotechnology, and one that has heretofore escaped public scrutiny.
These new "bioreactor" crops present many of the same potential environmental problems as other genetically engineered crop varieties, particularly if they are to be grown outdoors on a large scale. Most noteworthy are problems of cross-pollination, and unknown deleterious effects on insects, soil microbes and other native organisms. Further, we may soon see biologically active enzymes and pharmaceuticals, usually only found in nature in minute quantities-and usually biochemically sequestered in very specialized regions of living tissues and cells-secreted by plant tissues on a massive commercial scale. The consequences may be even more difficult to detect and measure than those associated with more familiar GM crop varieties, and could escalate to the point where those now-familiar problems would begin to pale by comparison.
This new technology also has potential public health consequences. As commercial grain distributors have proved unable to reliably sequester such a relatively well-characterized product as Aventis' Starlink corn, what steps could be reliably taken to prevent the accidental commingling of crops engineered for chemical production into the rest of the food supply?
"bov" and "astro"
by this TECHIE here • Thursday September 19, 2002 at 04:40 AM
"bov" and "astro" are both SmashTheLeft.
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/09/146543_comment.php
not much diff
by bov • Tuesday September 10, 2002 at 05:20 PM
This isn't much diff than people at Hunters Point wanting big box stores because they were promised 'jobs' - a lot of times people are literally not informed about what the consequences will be and haven't thought it out, in part because they are desparate - (i.e., in this case they'd get min wage jobs and virtually no benefits while small businesses in the area get crushed) - so everyone can live by a mall of box stores - that's everyone's dream, isn't it? Isn't it everyone's dream to work at BLOCKbuster? I'd trash any neighborhood to have the honor to work at WALmart!
Don't try to paint the liberal left as elitist and wrong for the poor. The right wing isn't the answer, and neither are poor people's opinons - when they are in desparate predicaments - the only ones that count.
No on idiotic N
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/09/144415_comment.php
"The marchers in this protest were mainly poor, virtually all black, and mostly women
by astroturf • Tuesday September 10, 2002 at 04:48 PM
How much were they paid to impersonate protesters?
"How do you know they were paid shills?"
by astroturf • Tuesday September 10, 2002 at 06:17 PM
I don't know. But neither do you know that they were not.
So, all else being equal, when we see desparately poor people acting against their own best interests, and the best interests of their families, the better of the two possible guesses is that they were paid.
>And you ignored the stuff about caviar and lobster and steak.
Old news.
>I guess that didn't happen either, right?
Did I say that? Where?
>How can you say
by astro • Tuesday September 10, 2002 at 07:29 PM
>they are speaking out against the best interest of their family? They're HUNGRY,
They are speaking out against the *long term* best interests of their families. They are trading a meal today for hunger tomorrow.
by this TECHIE here • Thursday September 19, 2002 at 04:40 AM
"bov" and "astro" are both SmashTheLeft.
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/09/146543_comment.php
not much diff
by bov • Tuesday September 10, 2002 at 05:20 PM
This isn't much diff than people at Hunters Point wanting big box stores because they were promised 'jobs' - a lot of times people are literally not informed about what the consequences will be and haven't thought it out, in part because they are desparate - (i.e., in this case they'd get min wage jobs and virtually no benefits while small businesses in the area get crushed) - so everyone can live by a mall of box stores - that's everyone's dream, isn't it? Isn't it everyone's dream to work at BLOCKbuster? I'd trash any neighborhood to have the honor to work at WALmart!
Don't try to paint the liberal left as elitist and wrong for the poor. The right wing isn't the answer, and neither are poor people's opinons - when they are in desparate predicaments - the only ones that count.
No on idiotic N
http://www.indybay.org/news/2002/09/144415_comment.php
"The marchers in this protest were mainly poor, virtually all black, and mostly women
by astroturf • Tuesday September 10, 2002 at 04:48 PM
How much were they paid to impersonate protesters?
"How do you know they were paid shills?"
by astroturf • Tuesday September 10, 2002 at 06:17 PM
I don't know. But neither do you know that they were not.
So, all else being equal, when we see desparately poor people acting against their own best interests, and the best interests of their families, the better of the two possible guesses is that they were paid.
>And you ignored the stuff about caviar and lobster and steak.
Old news.
>I guess that didn't happen either, right?
Did I say that? Where?
>How can you say
by astro • Tuesday September 10, 2002 at 07:29 PM
>they are speaking out against the best interest of their family? They're HUNGRY,
They are speaking out against the *long term* best interests of their families. They are trading a meal today for hunger tomorrow.
The prevailing corporate strategy of the late 1990s-when a hoped-for synergy between agricultural and pharmaceutical biotechnology led to the development of new giant "life science" conglomerates-has now been virtually shattered. In the last two years, we have seen Monsanto's agricultural division spun off from its recent parent company Pharmacia, the creation of a separate agribusiness company, Syngenta, from the relevant divisions of Zeneca and Novartis, and the announcement that Aventis is also seeking to separate out its agbiotech divisions.
Nevertheless, significant technological and financial synergies remain between agricultural and pharmaceutical biotechnology. Further, the efforts of the biotech industry to portray itself as a humanistic force in the world rest significantly on blurring the distinctions between biotechnology for food- which is widely perceived as a hopeless boondoggle-and biotechnology for medicine, which is more often seen to have real potential benefits. The industry's strategy is clearly to continue emphasizing these links, and companies have reaped the benefits of high profile media coverage of potential future products such as vitamin A-enhanced rice and foods containing vaccines. As industry analysts come to realize that mass-market genetically engineered commodity crops may be in serious, long-term trouble, forward-looking biotechnology executives are looking toward more specialized products.
The industry has already taken steps in the direction of more specialized, value-added GM crops. Early efforts included Monsanto's high-lauric acid canola, developed primarily for the cosmetics industry, and Zeneca's tomatoes with altered pectin to improve processing. These were both introduced in 1995.(1) There have also been widespread reports of potatoes, corn and other crops engineered to produce plastic-like polymers.(2) But perhaps the most active area of research today is on the genetic engineering of plants to produce specific proteins of interest to the pharmaceutical and chemical industries. This is a logical extension of the work pioneered by companies such as Genzyme in the US and PPL Therapeutics in Scotland, using livestock as "bioreactors" to produce chemicals of interest in their milk. But while animal-based production systems have proved expensive, and raise significant technical problems, not to mention growing animal welfare concerns and ethical debates over the cloning of animals, the use of plants as living "bioreactors" is being proposed as a much more advantageous solution.
In recent years, many of the leading agbiotech and agrochemical companies-Monsanto, DuPont and Dow, among others - as well as a considerable number of smaller, more specialized companies, have begun developing plant-based systems for pharmaceutical and chemical production. A number of vaccine components and monoclonal antibodies have been produced by tobacco, potato and corn plants on an experimental basis, and several of these products have begun clinical trials. One company, the Texas-based ProdiGene, has been collaborating with Stauffer Seeds to produce eleven different proteins in genetically engineered plants on a commercial scale. This represents a significant new development in plant biotechnology, and one that has heretofore escaped public scrutiny.
These new "bioreactor" crops present many of the same potential environmental problems as other genetically engineered crop varieties, particularly if they are to be grown outdoors on a large scale. Most noteworthy are problems of cross-pollination, and unknown deleterious effects on insects, soil microbes and other native organisms. Further, we may soon see biologically active enzymes and pharmaceuticals, usually only found in nature in minute quantities-and usually biochemically sequestered in very specialized regions of living tissues and cells-secreted by plant tissues on a massive commercial scale. The consequences may be even more difficult to detect and measure than those associated with more familiar GM crop varieties, and could escalate to the point where those now-familiar problems would begin to pale by comparison.
This new technology also has potential public health consequences. As commercial grain distributors have proved unable to reliably sequester such a relatively well-characterized product as Aventis' Starlink corn, what steps could be reliably taken to prevent the accidental commingling of crops engineered for chemical production into the rest of the food supply?
Nevertheless, significant technological and financial synergies remain between agricultural and pharmaceutical biotechnology. Further, the efforts of the biotech industry to portray itself as a humanistic force in the world rest significantly on blurring the distinctions between biotechnology for food- which is widely perceived as a hopeless boondoggle-and biotechnology for medicine, which is more often seen to have real potential benefits. The industry's strategy is clearly to continue emphasizing these links, and companies have reaped the benefits of high profile media coverage of potential future products such as vitamin A-enhanced rice and foods containing vaccines. As industry analysts come to realize that mass-market genetically engineered commodity crops may be in serious, long-term trouble, forward-looking biotechnology executives are looking toward more specialized products.
The industry has already taken steps in the direction of more specialized, value-added GM crops. Early efforts included Monsanto's high-lauric acid canola, developed primarily for the cosmetics industry, and Zeneca's tomatoes with altered pectin to improve processing. These were both introduced in 1995.(1) There have also been widespread reports of potatoes, corn and other crops engineered to produce plastic-like polymers.(2) But perhaps the most active area of research today is on the genetic engineering of plants to produce specific proteins of interest to the pharmaceutical and chemical industries. This is a logical extension of the work pioneered by companies such as Genzyme in the US and PPL Therapeutics in Scotland, using livestock as "bioreactors" to produce chemicals of interest in their milk. But while animal-based production systems have proved expensive, and raise significant technical problems, not to mention growing animal welfare concerns and ethical debates over the cloning of animals, the use of plants as living "bioreactors" is being proposed as a much more advantageous solution.
In recent years, many of the leading agbiotech and agrochemical companies-Monsanto, DuPont and Dow, among others - as well as a considerable number of smaller, more specialized companies, have begun developing plant-based systems for pharmaceutical and chemical production. A number of vaccine components and monoclonal antibodies have been produced by tobacco, potato and corn plants on an experimental basis, and several of these products have begun clinical trials. One company, the Texas-based ProdiGene, has been collaborating with Stauffer Seeds to produce eleven different proteins in genetically engineered plants on a commercial scale. This represents a significant new development in plant biotechnology, and one that has heretofore escaped public scrutiny.
These new "bioreactor" crops present many of the same potential environmental problems as other genetically engineered crop varieties, particularly if they are to be grown outdoors on a large scale. Most noteworthy are problems of cross-pollination, and unknown deleterious effects on insects, soil microbes and other native organisms. Further, we may soon see biologically active enzymes and pharmaceuticals, usually only found in nature in minute quantities-and usually biochemically sequestered in very specialized regions of living tissues and cells-secreted by plant tissues on a massive commercial scale. The consequences may be even more difficult to detect and measure than those associated with more familiar GM crop varieties, and could escalate to the point where those now-familiar problems would begin to pale by comparison.
This new technology also has potential public health consequences. As commercial grain distributors have proved unable to reliably sequester such a relatively well-characterized product as Aventis' Starlink corn, what steps could be reliably taken to prevent the accidental commingling of crops engineered for chemical production into the rest of the food supply?
uhhhhhh ..... have you been eating pharmaceutical crops or something?????? you don't sound too connected with reality
you're totally off yer rocker, a real fruit loop
Lecture me, asswipe. I'm SOOOOO ready to be converted by a NaziLiberal.
are you here to discuss things, or just to be a juvenile jerk?
Much thanks for the links and stuff
Why I'm here, little newcomer, is to skullfuck traitors and racist hypocrites like you. Don't like it? Go take a course in Tolerance and Diversity.
We've grown used to the nit wit (like a
large green fly with no bright color)
he's got mental diarrhea and it doesn't
help that no one ever tried to potty train
it.
large green fly with no bright color)
he's got mental diarrhea and it doesn't
help that no one ever tried to potty train
it.
I wonder if its going to go talking about its wee little lever now, or maybe it will swear and act tough, like a keyboard Clint Eastwood.
For how many weeks now have these hilarious rightists been clogging up Indymedia with their clever barbs, posting under Nessies' and others' names (including mine), concocting straw-men to beat up upon, etc etc? Apparently these funny-guys have a lot of time on their hands. Is this their idea of coming to the defense of the "homeland"?
hey, prince tom, have you ever considered that there might be more than you and 1 other person here, you bloody dunce?
besides, who gives a fuck what name any one uses. You're a moron to think that anything besides what's said matters.
besides, who gives a fuck what name any one uses. You're a moron to think that anything besides what's said matters.
"anyname" IS nessie, you moron. Take your black ops toys and run along home.
that wasn't me.
Yes it was.
Yes I do.............
Let's just take some more medication
(I know I will) and hum a few bars of Cum By Ya!
We can't be fighting ourselves, it always
comes out in a draw. I'm just glad I only listen
to the GOOD voices in MY head.
(I know I will) and hum a few bars of Cum By Ya!
We can't be fighting ourselves, it always
comes out in a draw. I'm just glad I only listen
to the GOOD voices in MY head.
FUCK ALL OF YOU STUPID POLE SMOKE'N HIPPIES. There are a lot of people dying for your rights to march down a fuck'n street. You burn a fuck'n flag, you better get the fuck out of this country. If you do not like the things the US does.....then leave dick heads. No one asked you to come here. If where ever you came from is so great. THEN GO BACK! We do not want you here. For the Indians, I'm sorry for what happened to you and your people in the passed. It was wrong. But you have to get over and move on with your life.
FUCK ALL YOU FLAG BURNERS!
FUCK ALL YOU FLAG BURNERS!
I chuckle when people say "love it or leave it" cause really, where would those folks go besides Canada or Europe....and I don't think they really know whats in Europe. Sure, Its a socialist utopia.....but its also got state sponsered religon, monarchy leftovers, state controled press (ya think censorship is bad here? the state can openly take any story out for any reason at anytime...least the U.S. does a little dance). Canada ain't as bad, but your money dissapers in taxes.....really, Holland is the only place I'm sure some folks here would feel at home.
:P
:P
America is not the worst, it's not the best. Like any nation, it has its share of virtues and vices.
The article that opened this debate is inaccurate, full of distorted statistics and venomous assumptions. So, too, are many of the polarised responses, both from the left and right. But the important thing is that it started people talking, and that is the key to growing up as a nation.
The article that opened this debate is inaccurate, full of distorted statistics and venomous assumptions. So, too, are many of the polarised responses, both from the left and right. But the important thing is that it started people talking, and that is the key to growing up as a nation.
Spoken with the typical vendictive hatred of a true U.S. patriot, or should I have said faciast.
The truth is often hard to swallow isn't it?
The truth is often hard to swallow isn't it?
Orwell wrote 1984 to show us what would happen if we
let them ( elites) have a free hand.
YOU MEAN...BOXER, FINESTINE, ALLIOTO, and WILLIE BROWN???
let them ( elites) have a free hand.
YOU MEAN...BOXER, FINESTINE, ALLIOTO, and WILLIE BROWN???
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